“Wii U is not selling as well as it deserves to. >It has a lot to offer with great games you can’t get anywhere else. The value of the GamePad hasn’t been justified. But the name Wii U is abysmal. I think that cut sales in half right there.”
If you absolutely had to keep the "Wii" moniker on it then Wii 2 would have been leagues better. I would have just changed the name entirely. People are still not aware the Wii U is a new console and is not just a tablet controller for the Wii.
I've been saying this since the console was announced. It was very foolhearty of Nintendo to have put such little thought into the name.That said, this Indie Exec douche is going to have a hard time getting a new job in games if he keeps spouting insider info and his shitty opinion of Nintendo. Companies don't like to see a person who will defame a former employer in public.
The gamepad's actually my favorite thing about the Wii U.
I just want them to do more with it. They're slowly getting there, but it'd be nice if more companies were as interested in it.
This guy isn't going to get a job anywhere after this, it's a good thing he says he "went indie". Few companies will want much to do with someone who will talk shit about them as soon as he's not affiliated with them anymore.
why did they even call it wii u?
because you do a u-turn and walk away XD
Are you retarded?
It's not you who decides which generation a console belong to.
Also you're probably saying this because it's technically inferior to the two other supercharged computer.
Nintendo almost always do this, that's Gunpei Yokoi's lateral thinking for you, welcome to video games.
Is he wrong?
Wii U is a terrible name.
When Nintendo added Wii as a prefix to practically everything the system had to offer. And a suffix less often. A new name could have REALLY helped differentiate the system from it's predecessor.
Seriously. Wii Fit, Wii Music, Wii Party, Wii Play, Wii Sports. How was the common consumer supposed to know "Wii U" wasn't just a tablet controller for the system?
Having map screen/item access without pausing the game to get into a menu is nice. Local multiplayer that negates screenlooker faggots is a godsend.
And being able to play full console games while in my comfy bed or while taking a huge 2 hour shit is absolutely fucking amazing.
No one likes Gameslab? I still like Gameslab. Reminds me of steak.
Pretty much this
They could've had a cool ad campaing like they did with the Wii, something like "Wii would like to play with U" because this was clearly a follow up of the Wii era so it'd fit
Hes absolutely right
Parents have no fucking idea that the Wii U is a new Wii. They think its just the gamepad.
Retailers have no idea about what the difference between the Wii U and the Wii is, so they can barely provide any decent feedback.
Also its a name that is easy to make fun of (Pii U)
It doesn't have anything going for it. Sure it does have a game or two, but the large majority of non "gamers" that got swept into the Wii frenzy when it became big are not really interest or don't even understand what the Wii U is.
22 million units wasn't selling terribly at the time, even though it did place last in its generation and performed worse than the N64. The console was still profitable, and Nintendo could've banked on the "late to the party" crowd who wish the Wii was more like the Gamecube.
Parents want the games that will make their children stop whining and childrens these days only want the mature and edgy games like GTA and CoD
If retailers have no idea of what they're trying to sell then they should infrom themselves or go bankrupt for being so retarded
>Also its a name that is easy to make fun of (Pii U)
Just like Xbone and nogamestation4
Creativity knows no boumds when it comes to shit on something
>It doesn't have anything going for it.
It has plenty going for it. The concept is wonderful and the games it does have are top notch.
The issue is that Nintendo has no idea what they're doing anymore. They don't know shit about HD, they don't know shit about online and they completely forgot that marketing exists. They are completely out of touch which is a damn shame.
It didn't cut sales in half, the Wii U is not selling well because people don't want it. Nintendo's games aren't enough to sell a home console anymore. It's kind of a shame because quality wise the Wii U's library will likely be considerably better than the Wii's but it will sell a fraction of the amount of consoles.
They named it the Wii because it was meant for family and friends. Wii U is meant for family and friends, but now it was suppose to have games specifically for you.
I think the biggest goof Nintendo did was not clarify that it was a brand new console when they first unveiled it. All they did was show off the Gamepad and rarely showed off the actual console part of it until after the confusion
It should have had its own name and aesthetic. Plain featureless white isn't cool anymore, Nintendo. Your UI on WiiU is boring as fuck. Someone MS and Sony decided to have even shittier UIs on their consoles though, so I guess the situation could be worse.
Let's face the facts. The straight dope. The brutal truth.
No one wants a Wii U, not even Nintendo themselves. The way I see it, as an expert at this sort of thing, they only have a year left until they become completely broke because of their ever-mounting never-ending catalog of failures and blunders. It happened to Sega with the Dreamcast and it WILL happen to Nintendo too. It's unfortunate, really, seeing how a company that used to be unequivocally successful and remarkable among the game-o-sphere is now scraping at the bottom of the barrel like a gaggle of diseased hungry muskrats looking for that last morsel of nutrients before they collapse on the floor with foam bubbling in their mouths, dead.
And when the (statistically likely) scenario where they file for bankruptcy happens, they will only have a few slim options before that last needle-width thread of hope they're hanging onto snaps and sends them into the eternal abyss of obscurity and inferiority.
Option I: Sell themselves to Sony or Microsoft and become a lowly, but alive first-party developer.
Option II: Sell off their IPs and let the buyer do what's best for ol' Mario. I bet Sony can do wonders with him.
Option III: Become a third-party. Branch out! Make multiplat titles and port your games to smartphones. Make mega bucks while pleasing your fanbase by doing what they've always wanted you to do.
...The clock is ticking, Iwata. If I were you, I'd make my choice now before it's too late.
Parents didn't know the difference between the NES and SNES but the SNES still sold.
And this was before the internet, so the confusion was even bigger.
If you are suggesting there is an untapped audience of people who were Wii owners who would buy the Wii U if only they knew it was a new console, I think you are mistaken.
If they still gave a shit about their Wii, they would already know they couldn't play the latest Mario, Mario Kart, etc on it. when they actually tried to buy new games.
More than likely the Wii owners moved on to Apple and don't care about their Wii anymore.
The confusion was entirely made-up. Everyone knew they'd be showing off a new console. Everyone knew that the tech demos they showed couldn't be done on the Wii (and the very fact that they showed tech demos at all implies new hardware). Only complete retards and journalists trying to spin some sort of story out of it didn't know it was a new console.
>. The way I see it, as an expert at this sort of thing, they only have a year left until they become completely broke because of their ever-mounting never-ending catalog of failures and blunders.
Is this a new epic pasta?
>Nintendo has introduced some hot new toys.
Hey fuck you, the Wii U is FINE. It has good games and it plays them well. The major failure surrounding it is marketing which I think everyone will agree Nintendo has never known how to do.
The biggest goof Nintendo did was not bundling the console with a party game anyone can enjoy. When you bought a Wii, you got Wii Sports for free - the game people who don't even like video games care about. Wii Sports U is the most pants-on-head retarded thing Nintendo could do - not only did they make it a paid game with all the sports from the original, they also sell all the sports separately.
Are you underage? The success of Wii was solely because of it's marketing campaign.
They were always adequate at best. Remember their 4th and 5th gen commercials? Remember how they marketed Earthbound? Every time Nintendo has a commercial failure, its because they fail to get their message across.
> Adelman was the company’s lead on indie games, and had been with the company for the past nine years
So what the fuck did he actually do?
People always say this and people always bring up that Microsoft has a Japanese division which CAN legally purchase them. Microsoft will never purchase Nintendo, but I don't know who to believe.
i always thought that was fucking cool.
i love how games on dif systems in the olden days had looked different.
wii u discs having rounded edges is the coolest thing about the wii u
I'm pretty sure that everyone here agrees that Wii U is a stupid name.
This isn't the same case as "Wii", where the name sounded silly. "Wii U" sounds like its a small upgrade from the regular Wii when it's actually a new console. And it really didn't help that a lot of emphasis went into showing off the controller instead of the console itself. Of course, people who play games will know the difference but your average 40 year old mom won't know shit.
It's just stupid marketing.
Too convoluted. Someone's aunt or grandma wouldn't bother playing this videogamey stuff - now a bowling game which makes you feel lke you're actually bowling? That's something they can enjoy.
>look at me pretend to not know what a wii u is to prove that the systems unpopular
you are on a video game board bro
Everything about Nintendo is shit. Everything they do is confusing especially to plebs. Now I don't really follow Nintendo that much but when the Wii U was coming out I thought it was just a new controller for the Wii, now how many other people thought the same, that would have lost them sales.
Then there was the 3DS which I assumed could still play DS games which a friend of mine told me it couldn't. I thought it was just another DS that did all the same stuff just converted it to 3D.
TLDR: They need to put their point across better.
>All those systems and games sitting there being useless while some bored lonely kid could be playing them as we speak and getting some joy back into his life
>Implying most kids care about older games
>Implying they aren't too busy playing on their iPhones to care
We live in a crazy fucked up culture where shitty iOS gaming filled to the brim with clones of popular games and litered with microtransactions are the future of gaming apparently
It also can use the nunchucks and old wii games. the damn thing is marketed as if it's just an upgrade.
The biggest offender: vowel sound after vowel ended word
Do you have Pocky and Rocky?
Damn dude you're pretty butthurt.
It's ok you don't understand what local asymmetric multiplayer is.
They should not have included Wii anywhere in there. The main problem with the Wii U branding is that people thought it was just a tablet for their Wii, and a majority of the Wii userbase was people that didn't really care for it, they had the Wii for all the sports games and shovelware.
Nah. It's pretty clever and some good jokes came out of it. It doesn't have any exclusives that can compete with Grand Theft Auto and it has the shittiest version other major multiplatforms that appeal to older gamers. It's not brain surgery.
It wasn't just the name
It was the bad launch line up.
The shitty ports
Third party titles
the Wii had the whole "We/Wii would like to play" thing. The Wii U doesn't have that.
They assumed that everyone that bought a Wii would go out and buy a Wii U
The best they can hope for is for the Wii U to end up like the Gamecube and try again
Adding Wii to the name helps the casuals understand it's related to the WIi. Naming it Fusion or Split implies it's not just a Wii accessory, which is what most people think when I tell them about it.
Or they could just call it the Nintendo U and be done with it.
I'd have called it the /vii/
That's different. They established the lazy naming from the beginning and people are used to it and accepted it. Calling things GameCube 2 or n64 2 would have been stupid. It's lazy but it's also out of nowhere.
Damn, I hope I can be that cool one day.
Too bad I'm broke as fuck. I need to get a new SNES though, I think mine got sold long ago
What if the Wii kept it's code name Revolution?
This. Nintendo isn't bribing the devs enough or marketing the console as it should. Microsoft gets games because of infinite bribing and Sony sells consoles because of infinite marketing, there isn't a worthwhile exclusive game on the PS4 yet and it sells like hot cakes.
I agree. I also still think the name "Wii" is just as stupid.
Man I really miss those days back when it was known as the Revolution. What a stupid fucking name Wii is, and Wii U is just as bad.
The U part was excellent
It's the 'Wii' part that is the most unpalatable.
And heck, the Wii sold the best of all the consoles.
I still think they should have went with 'Nintendo Revolution',
The name is terrible. But they've been doing that a lot lately.
You know when you have fucked up when stores need to put special signs up to let customers know that the 2DS plays 3DS games.
Mom's don't know if Wii U is just a Wii attachment, or if the 2DS is a whole new handheld.
>Implying this game stinks was the reason for it failing
Um, plenty of games had "trash, fart jokes, whatever" for their ads and seemed to do fine. Really I think the main reason EB didn't sell was that people just weren't ready for an RPG
whats your address
ill send you every video game i own, i dont want them anymore
Obviously they need a system-seller, and unfortunately MK8 wasn't enough of one. Smash will probably move a lot of product too, but what Nintendo needs is to dust off a few older franchises.
Kirby Dreamland U
The World Ends With
Also, mentioning ANYTHING about SMTxFE would stir some hype because of the FE newbies.
He is right, everyone called on the bad naming. The Wii U deserves better, but some part of the market won't recognize it as "next gen" because of the name.
Remember not only dedicated people buy these.
It was a perfect storm of issues, not just the name.
Nintendo sold out their core audience with the Wii, all for the sake of making a quick mountain of money with the casual audience. Emphasis on quick, because you can't keep those assholes attention for very long.
So the Wii U came out, coming back to the core audience like a husband that just banged like 50 chicks the month before, and is pretending like everything is fine, so the core is upset. The casuals don't even know what the fuck a Wii U is, which is where the name comes into play, so they're just blissfully ignorant, or they are bored of consoles, and are back to mobile apps for entertainment. Nintendo is left with its dick in its hand, because it didn't expect its core audience to nut up and tell them they haven't forgotten being shit on with the Wii.
However, I will probably end up getting a Wii U one day. Nintendo seems to be trying rather hard to make amends on abandoning us with the Wii, those fucking jew faggots, so I will enjoy watching them squirm a little while longer, and probably buy one by the end of the year. I assume there will be another Black Friday sale to be had.
And yet, Final Fantasy saw huge success during that era and there were tons of excellent SNES RPGs. It should've been marketed for what it was. Here, I'll ad lib a 90s caliber commercial that would've actually explained the product.
>generic team of fantasy heroes go into weapon shop
>keep getting offered frying pans and baseball bats
>kid in striped shirt taps them on the shoulder
>bat to the face
>we see him walk out of the store to be confronted with shitty 90s animated versions of enemies from the game
>hoists bat over shoulder and camera cuts to game footage while announcer explains its not a traditional RPG by deliberately spoofing Final Fantasy.
Done, I just sold Earthbound better than Nintendo.
How about something like the WiiDS or fuck, keep it simple like Wii 2.
Or drop the Wii title completely and simply call it the Tablet.
Wii U is a terrible name and it has cut the sales of the console. Most casuals, including some people selling the product, don't know the difference between the Wii and the Wii U. They really do think it's an expensive Wii tablet peripheral rather than an entirely different console.
someday i plan on donating every single piece of vidya i own to some random faggot on /v/.
then i'm going to shoot myself
A name as simple and unoriginal as Wii 2 would have significantly increased sales. People like when their is an entirely new and different product to "upgrade" to. Wii U gives off the implication that it's simply an add on and not an entirely different console.
I didn't even notice that. No Glover?
I'm trying a little at a time. I actually had more games, like Abyss, Legendia, etc. but stupidly traded them in years ago. I still have the save data so I'll probably get them again.
I have SMT: Nocturne in my cart. I never played the series and it looks cool. There's a lot of games I never played, include SM Sunshine. I want that one too.
F-Zero GX (G for 'Gamecube')
F-Zero UX would fit the naming scheme thus far.
Nintendo fans and people who owned Nintendo consoles at all in the past decade; if they can't get third party in the door, then they need a large core fanbase on it or else it's bottoms up.
Most of those are just listing unused franchises, and I agree that most aren't system sellers. But do you know anybody over the age of 12 that has never HEARD of Metroid or Kirby? Wii U titles for them would at least get a good buzz going throughout the general public.
>girls can play it too! why not call it the gameboy/girl
>you don't just turn it on and get the apps?
>I think the graphics is fine- Wait, what's a graphic?!
>I actually like it but kinda hate it.
>It can't even sense my skin.
This is the final kek.
D-Do you have steam? Email doesn't work for me
To add to this, the first Wii predated the rise-of-the-casuals (who play doodle jump and candy crunch on their phones now) so it really was open season for a full blown casual box to dominate.
When I first heard the name Wii U, I thought it was was an upgraded Wii, not an new console.
I mean obviously he's right. Only 1 letter different from the last console, uses the same controllers and plays the same games as the last console, and shit marketing. It's because of common sense stuff like this that I wouldn't really mind of Nintendo speed making hardware. Their games are certainly popular enough to support them on their own.
>But do you know anybody over the age of 12 that has never HEARD of Metroid or Kirby?
They only know them from Smash. If I talked to them about Metroid or F-Zero, they wouldn't know what I'm talking about, but if I said "The Samus game" or "The Captain Falcon" game, then they'd at least get an idea.
An idea for Metroid, at least. I once told someone that Captain Falcon was from a racing series and it apperantly blew their minds.
Its that fallacy again
Where people assume the problem with the Wii U had anything to do with naming conventions, marketing or anything but the quality of the console.
The casuals are gone so Nintendo had to face the music. Their core fans werent pleased with casualization, franchise slaughter and nickel and dime control schemes.
This isnt even getting into the fact that Nintendo cheaped out on DVD playback because they didnt want to pay licensing.
Eh, that joke is far too late. Valve barely does anything aside from Steam anymore. Half Life 3 is the vaporest of vaporware, even The Last Guardian is laughing at it, and Steam is kind of the casual money thing, which has been prevalent for many years.
They've got some "mature" games coming up on it, such as Bayo 2 and Devil's Third, then it looks like they're talking "open world" with Zelda U.
Nintendo's biggest sin on the Wii U is the lack of diversity. All it has are platformers, platformers, platformers, and MH3U. They could do an F-Zero game for racing, Metroid Prime game for FPS, and so on and so forth. They need something else; you can only play one game for so long.
I'm sorry you live in a shitty anon. Falcon is understandable since it was never a flagship franchise, but not knowing about Metroid is heartbreaking.
So it seems everybody is saying better third party, more variety, and better marketing. They seem pretty obvious, but Nintendo seems to be gunning for GameCube 2.0.
So make it exactly like the other turds? My low opinions of them aside, even if they wanted to, part of the reason Nintendo doesn't do that shit is because they would have no idea how. Like, how would they pull off a AAA fps? Name 1 Nintendo game that has had online multilpayer with features on par with Halo 2, a game from the generation before last. Splatoon and Smash should have that, but they won't, because for all their talk about bringing people together, they're stuck in 2000 in this regard.
>sold out their core audience
that never happened.
just dumbasses who were crying abuot "we're muh Punch-Out!! and Muh Sin&Punishment sequel!" and they ended up getting them anyway.
A lot of the game pad's problem is that it looks stupid until you actually use it. I was skeptical at first but I really wanted to play some Nintendo games and I figured it wasn't that big of a deal.
After a while I realized it's bad ass. Kiss anime html5 video player, it plays mp4 videos, navigating web pages is easy, typing in letters is easy, etc.
The whole idea of a second screen will show up on xbox and playstation eventually. The same shit happened with motion controls. When Wii came out, everyone groaned over waggle gimmicks. And then Microsoft came out with Kinnect and Sony had SixAxis.
There are just way too many little things that make the game pad nice as fuck to have.
as somebody who has had to explain this to people, there are still lots of people who have no idea the 3ds is even a new generation of ds, as well as people thinking the wiiu is just like the dsi, some slight physical casing upgrade with no difference in software
Agreed, when I worked in gamestop I had to ask people if they were intrested in pre ordering one and they were all shocked to find out it was an actual sequel to the original Wii, they all thought it was some kind of expansion/peripheral (Just the gamepad) because a new console wasn't actually shown at the E3 reveal. Asked a few of my buds in different citys who work in gamestop and they all had the same problem, everyone originally thought it was just some new gimmick, not a full blown console.
Be fair now, the Wii U has been out much longer. The Xbone is selling better than the Wii U did at this point in its lifespan.
Also nobody talks about it because all the xbots moved to the PS4. Xbone owners aren't that conceited, its just that they're so rare that the shitposters outnumber them a thousand to one.
mario kart 8 local
Are you going to make fun of a retarded kid for not understanding things? Of course not, it is expected they won't understand.
That is the Bone. No one expects it to succeed, so when it doesn't, it's hard to feel anything about it.
Hell, since the Xbone has such low expectations, they get the positive twist of getting massive praise for doing something right.
Even some of my friends who I wouldn't call casual but also wouldn't call super game savvy thought it was a tablet, he told me the other day he was thinking about getting it and he tried mine and he was asking "it's just a tablet right?"
horrible name and horrible marketing, I don't care though because now that the casuals don't have it they'd better start making GOOD games instead of shovelware
I'm 33 and always had Nintendo systems up to the Gamecube. I love Nintendo because unlike Sony and Microsoft they actually make games themselves.
They lost their audience on the Gamecube with terrible versions of Mario and Zelda; and with Metroid being a completely different type of game. They had already driven away a lot of the SNES audience with the N64 by being completely worthless for RPGs.
So the Wii has a gimick motion control that gets attention of completely different people that wouldn't care about games to begin with. I love the bowling but after 2 hours I could notice the limitations of the controllers accuracy such that I could throw the exact same ball repeatedly. The more action oriented things the controller was too lagged for. Both of these things might not be apparent to people, I don't know.
Now what I'm getting at is; I know Wii U is a different console but I have no clue about it other than it having yet another fucked up controller. Nintendo is perfectly set up to be cashing in on all of the kids who grew up with them getting to middle age and having nostalgia and huge amounts of cash; but they are still fucking it up.
The fault lies on Nintendo really. When they showed the Wii U on E3, everyone, including people here on /v/, thought it was a peripheral for the Wii and not a new console. The Wii U was a mess on day 1.
I agree on all counts here. The Wii U -should- be selling better and the name -is- awful.
Honestly at this point the Wii U is the only console I'm even looking at. I already have a PC so 90% of the games coming out on the other consoles I can get already.
I'll wait a few years and get a PS4 used just for Bloodborne unless some other stellar exclusives come out for itbut until then, the Wii U is the only console worth getting if you already have a gaming PC.
Just a ds with a matte finish
Entirely new console meant to be the successor to the wii
Nintendo's naming scheme makes no fucking sense
>That's "demotivational that says what it says on the picture" levels of missing the goddamn point.
>Picture of Iwata used at the end.
Granted, when talking about Nintendo's business directions, Iwata makes more sense, but goddamn.
Hey how about not calling it Wii anything?
Wii is a stupid fucking name to begin with, then Wii U somehow made that even more stupid.
No matter what, no one can defend the name of this system, no matter who you fanboy over and no matter who you defend endlessly, this name is godawful.
>fatal frame u never released in the eu or us
>new starfox game is axed or delayed until winter of 2015
Nintendo's biggest enemy is itself
>So it seems everybody is saying better third party, more variety, and better marketing.
Uh, no. Nintendos been well off without third parties. Third parties and new IPs are just Boogeymen.
Variety? Yes but the fans want a particular set of classics.
Marketing wasnt really a flaw. It was just a way for Nintenfans to admit their console was bombing without saying it was Nintendos fault.
Nintendo has to be more invested in their community and prove they give a damn. The people who built Nintendos empire are looked down with contempt. Thats unfair.
>People are still not aware the Wii U is a new console and is not just a tablet controller for the Wii.
Those same people probably don't know the difference between an Xbone and a 360 or a PS3 and PS4 either, so that's kind of moot.
It's been almost two years. Anyone who is even remotely interested in video games knows the difference between a Wii and a Wii U at this point, we can drop that tired excuse now. Again, the only folks who don't are people who probably know little/nothing about video games in general.
Yeah, PC has Nvidia shield that does a lot of what Wii U Gamepad does and now PS4 is getting Vita to function the same.
Nintendo was first with the whole idea but everyone keeps riding Nintendo's nuts about how it's a stupid gimmick.
In 3 years when buying a home console means you also get a portable you can use around the house, everyone is going to forget about how stupid they sounded talking about how they thought a remote screen for a console or gaming device was a stupid idea.
The whole gamepad thing is a moot point. As soon as a game company comes along that is willing to pay off tech and gaming tabloid websites, gaming tablets like gamepad will become something the tabloid tech media fawns over.
>They lost their audience on the Gamecube with terrible versions of Mario and Zelda; and with Metroid being a completely different type of game. They had already driven away a lot of the SNES audience with the N64 by being completely worthless for RPGs.
Looking a little clueless there.
How is bad marketing NOT Nintendo's fault? Marketing is the make or break in this industry. Apple wouldn't exist in its current state if it weren't for extremely savvy marketing selling overpriced garbage to idiots. If Nintendo had only 10% of that marketing ability, their business would never be threatened.
Well, an add-on for the Wii is still something new as well. I really, really fail to see how the name is any more stupid or off-base than 'Super Nintendo' and no one had any trouble being able to tell that it was a new console instead of some add-on for the NES.
Again, the whole 'no one knows its a new console!' thing stopped being relevant and accurate a year ago. Nintendo isn't making new Wii games and isn't supporting it anymore, stores have 'Wii U' plastered all over their Nintendo displays. It's plainly obvious to anyone who is even remotely familiar with current video games that the Wii U isn't an add-on for the Wii. The only people who might still make that mistake are people who don't know much about games at all and would likely mix up the PS and XB brand consoles and games as well. So it's a moot point.
This is not true at all. When the Wii U launched, I was working at a Best Buy. I didn't even know it was out until I saw it on the sales floor. People regularly had to be told it was a new system and not an upgrade and it was extremely common for them to walk up to the register with a Wii and some Wii U games because it was not at all obvious that they would not be compatible. By the way, the usual response when we explained the issue was that they just assumed it was a premium version and picked the cheaper one.
>totally gonna happen
>because sony isn't bleeding profusely from its games division
>because tv and blu-ray sales are barely keeping sony afloat
>and nintendo doesn't have BILLIONS of yen in the bank
>that bait was tasty yum
in all seriousness, sony is closer to being the new sega than nintendo is
GameCube was the last Nintendo system with a small Third Party, and it had the lowest sales of the generation by a pitfall.
Nothing wrong with classics, but there are now five Mario titles if you count sports games, two upcoming Zelda games, and MAYBE a StarFox game. Classics are good, we just need a variety of classics in addition to a third party presence. It doesn't have to be xbox hueg, just enough to have more than three non-Nintendo games in your library.
No, I don't care how much you say otherwise, the Wii U's advertising was abysmal. The closest to "good" we got was MK8 and Holiday 2013, and neither of those stressed that it was a new console. I've had to inform people, people that I know have more than two brain cells, that it isn't a Wii Slim with a different controller. Everyone out of the lopp thinks that the GAMEPAD is the Wii U. They think "Only on Wii U" is like "better with Kinect" in that it's a recommendation, not a necessity. They need to seriously buckle down on the advertising.
Super Wii would have at least drawn a comparison to the NES/SNES succession and made sense. Outside of the "Play with us, play with U" thing, the name makes no sense.
You underestimate how important making a big splash is AND once again, the importance of marketing.
Even if Wii is no longer an option, Nintendo still fails to advertise to their product effectively. It changes nothing. Early confusion as a result of poor marketing ruined the launch and the marketing is STILL bad. Compare it to the non-stop noise you get from Sony and Microsoft about their consoles; Nintendo either doesn't know what to say or doesn't say anything at all.
I would have just called it the Nintendo U. Would have been a fine name, and when reggie first announced it and said "The new console is focusing on YOU!"
I immediately thought, "Oh, they had the Wii and now they'll have the U. That's clever enough."
"We're proud to present the WII u!"
I immediately cringed.
Part of me is afraid that the poor results of the Wii U are due to the massive success of the Wii. They probably thought that since it was such an established console, a Wii successor would sell on name alone, marketing being only a superfluous cost.
Not the point. RPGs are a niche genre. Saying that it makes or breaks a console looks really dumb. The world doesnt revolve around your basement dwelling opinions.
And Sunshine was functionally the same as 64 with a water addition. Prime had the same style of exploration and backtracking in 3D. And Zelda had a bunch of water to make it dirrerent from the 3D Zeldas? Bullshit.
Gamecube did bad because the PS2 was the go to console of its gen. If anything, its bad sales echoed from the 64s poor performance. The same is happening with the Wii U. Most core Nintenfans think the Wii sucked.
I said the hole people don't know it's a new console' thing isn't relevant or very accurate now, but it certainly was at launch.
Nintendo did a piss-poor job of making sure people knew their new console was coming, or even that it was new in the first place. Think the Saturn launch but not as bad. But at this point I think people know what it is, given that the other two new platforms are out, Nintendo is actually advertising their console and the Wii has been dead for a few years.
Granted, hindsight is 20/20. But its an objective truth that people were confused and repulsed by that marketing campaign. All I did was brainstorm something that was like a gaming ad in the mid-90s. Comparing my hypothetical with what Nintendo released, which do you prefer?
What's your excuse for not owning two Wii U consoles?
I thought you supported Nintendo
I'm pretty sure that literally everyone agrees that Wii U is the shittiest name possible, including fans of Wii U. A large chunk of its failure is easily explained by people not even knowing it's a console, instead of what it sounds like, some kind of an add-on to the Wii.
I understand where you're coming from, and I still think Nintendo's current marketing is inadequate.
There were other mistakes too, undoubtedly. We all hate EA, but really, Nintendo cannot into online and they had chance to partner with a company who understands the market enough to gouge us at every turn. If they used EAs understanding with Nintendo's respect for the consumer, I imagine we would be having a different discussion right now. The fact the Xbone is selling proves that the market doesn't give a shit what things look like, so the graphical capability of the console is largely meaningless.
Make it similar to the other turds in terms of hardware at least and entice developers to make games for your platform without having to go through huge expense and effort to conform specially to their outdated tech.
It would not hurt Nintendo in the slightest to have a system perceived as a true multiplat competitor. People would be way more willing to purchase a non-supplemental console and the Nintendo exclusives would give it a real edge in the competition.
Fuck man I remember reading Nintendo Power and seeing "Project Revolution" and it sounded so fucking cool
and then we got
Surely SOMEONE at Nintendo realized how fucking retarded that sounds to an English speaker.
I think the best way to describe Wii U's problems are
1. horrible name
2. gamepad doesn't get point across that it has nice features beyond gameplay
3. not different enough from predecessor to establish itself as a new product
I think >>256718596 is very right. Nintendo thought they could coast off of Wii's product recognition so they made Wii U similar and tried to market it similarly. And it ended up only confusing people as they couldn't tell it was a new product.
They have billions of dollars in cash and assets.
Go read up on how much money they made between 2006 and 2011. They posted losses for the first time ever in 2012, and even then it was only a few hundred million. They made many times more than that every year for almost a decade prior. Nintendo is not going out of business any time soon.
>Seriously. There's 3 types of 3DS's.
It's funny you mention that, Sony had as many iterations of the PSP as Nintendo did the DS, and the PS3 has had at least three SKUs as well. Everyone redesigns their machines, this is not something just Nintendo does.
Which is sad given that Sony is such a huge corporation with multiple branches all probably larger than Nintendo as a whole and all Nintendo makes are video games.
They definitely need more young blood, but it'd be a good idea to keep the ancients on as supervisors. It needs to retain the Nintendo "feeling", but for a younger audience.
Only after typing that out do I understand how cliché that sounds, but whatever.
Miyamoto is an old dog that needs to be put down
I was about to jump down your throat
but then I realized how right you were
Literally retarded. It must be tough on you, being so stupid.
The name is bad but the library is bad too.
People won't buy a new console just to play Mario Kart and Donkey Kong.
The console released in 2012 and we still don't have the real games, like Zelda and Metroid. It's Nintendo fault that the Wii U is not selling well.
The name is just a lame excuse.
Miyamoto still oversees the great games that show up on Wii U like froze dong. He shouldn't be going anywhere. He guides second party studios in the right direction.
If you don't believe me on what happens when second parties lose Nintendo and Miyamoto, look at what happened to Rare.
There's the initial problem of people thinking it's a new DS, but once it's visible it'd be much different.
Then again, if they had shown the CONSOLE instead of just the gamepad, the predicament wouldn't be quite as bad as it is now.
He's just saying that launching redesigns isn't uncommon. And he's right, its become a staple in consumer electronics for each device to go through several iterations in its lifetime. What I was saying earlier about brand recognition though, was Nintendo (like another poster said too about Apple) is in the mindset that everyone will "buy the new Nintendo" because its the new Nintendo. Remember, back in the 90s, Nintendo was synonymous with game console. They had Kleenex level brand recognition, where the brand name replaces the generic term. That's absolute victory in marketing. And somewhere along the line the consumer became more educated about the products and Nintendo never noticed.
This guy should work for Nintendo.
>Why are you talking about Apple in a Wii U thread?
Nintendo making three 3DS SKUs is not something to be bewildered by, everyone does it, that's all. Microsoft does it too, we've had countless 360's and we'll likely see at least one or two revised Xbones down the line. So everyone is Apple.
I sold my Gamecube the second it became clear GTA3 wouldn't come out on it. It was just a massive, genre defining game and I didn't want to miss out on another one like I had to all the fucking time through the N64 era.
So since my thread got deleted, can I get a list of Wii U games that don't force the gamepad anywhere in the game, and let you beat it all with the pro controller?
I don't want argue about the pad itself anymore, apparently that is flaming and baiting. I just want the games that let you beat them 100% with the pro controller.
So far I have Pikmin 3, MH3U, NSMBU, probably Bayonetta 2, DKCTF. Please correct me if I'm wrong.
DS -> DSi -> 3DS
It's not that confusing really. It's a good play on being the third DS as well as the 3d function.
Wii U was just Nintendo trying to ride on Wii's success blatantly.
Rare went straight to the shitter before microsoft bought them. If I remember right, they promised a certain lineup of release gamecube games, and all of them got aborted during development except dinosaur planet/star fox adventures.
I converted just now. nintendo is actually, as of January, worth apprx
>¥1.9T or $18.4T
to say billions is still sort of accurate. I mean.. it's THOUSANDS of billions, after all.
And the PS3 rides on the success of the PS2.
Yeah the name was a poor choice, but it's no different from what Sony or Microsoft does.
They've done it with the NES and SNES.
They also attempt to avoid tragedies like calling the NDS the NDS because they don't want another Visual Boy fiasco and ruining the "Game Boy" name.
Names can be better though.
...That's what I'm saying. HDS is a great name, but the problem is the average consumer thinking it's a new handheld. With small amount of explanation it's obvious that it's a new console, but you have to same problem with the Wii U.
3DS suffered the same way the Wii U did at launch. I worked at Best Buy then too, although it was a different one near a college I attended. The difference is that it got its system seller titles and people caught on. And it still took a hit in sales thanks to the expanding mobile market.
Yeah it was, but DS series got the point across about what the product does and what it is. You see the dual screens, see DS, and go "OHHHHH". You see the 3d screen, you see the dual screens and go "OOHHHH"
You hear Wii U and go what the fuck? You all are going to what us?
Yeah, but increasing a number is a normal convention for naming when you're talking about an upgraded anything. It's existed for Nintendo as long as I can remember, and super mario bros 1, 2 and 3 on NES are prime examples. You see it everywhere else too.
It's like Nintendo saw xbox 360 and went "I bet we can come up with something ever more retarded to put at the end of our console name"
>Incorporates the message of togetherness(me & you)
>create animu waifu Umii-tan to promote the console in Japan
it could have sold like hotcakes.
Same problem it has now, just worse. Is it a new DS? Is it a home console? At least with Wii U you know its derivative of the Wii brand, which you know is a home console. DS is their portable, I think that name would have been just as, if not more, confusing for most consumers.
It was a problem, and it's got that all-important number in the name. But Nintendo pushed the glasses-free 3D thing really, really hard, and everyone knew the first DS couldn't do that given everyone and their mother had one. It also had a larger top screen, which was one of the most immediately noticeable things about it when comparing it to the DS.
One one hand, it sounds cooler than "Wii U". On the other hand, remember what happened to the 3DS? HDS would only cause more confusion
>A new name could have REALLY helped differentiate the system from it's predecessor.
They didn't want to differentiate it from the Wii. They wanted to trick consumers into thinking it was the successor to the Wii so it would sell well, and it backfired on them.
Actually, I disagree with this. Its adds cohesion to the Nintendo brand, something lacking between the handheld and console markets. Its actually the same mistake Sony made with the Vita. A trick you use in this kind of marketing is to make the peripheral device sound like a missing part of the main device. Or in this case, take the wildly successful DS brand and expand IT to the home market. You would be amazed how large a part perception plays.
I wouldn't go that far. The concept is PASSABLE. You're right about it being the antithesis of the Wii. No fucking way to get up and move with that behemoth. But, it still could've been sold if they had made the tablet a higher quality. Maybe include a processor in the tablet as well so you could use it without the console even on. And it was probably a mistake to totally bank on the gimmick again. The most popular Wii games, Wii Sports aside, weren't even reliant on motion controls.
It's not entirely made up. I've spoken to countless people who have no idea what it is, and when shown it, go "oh is that a tablet for the wii?"
some of them are even casual gamers.
This. Consumers know it's a new console, they are just disinterested. It's being rejected by the market. Since so many refuse to admit this, they instead blame everything but the product itself.
-It's the marketing!
-Consumers are just too stupid to understand it!
-My anecdotal evidence of someone being confused means everyone else is!
The excuses can't last forever, soon people will have to accept Nintendo put out a console consumers didn't want.
>>not a single one suggesting Perfect Nintendo Entertainment System
You know, despite hating feminists and loving 2D girls and some of us loving traps; most of us aren't actually faggots who crave dick man.
They need to change up their shit. Splatoon is a step in the right direction I guess but they need more.
And no, don't just come up with something new and slap Mario on it for "sales".
How can you not accept that marketing is playing a huge role here? We agree that the console has fundamental flaws, but the Wii had fundamental flaws just as egregious and it found an audience. Wii U is lost on the market because it was not sold to them, among other things.
Here's a funny story a friend who works at retail told me the other day
>Guy comes in looking at games
>Friend tries to sell him a Wii U
>Guy think it's an accessory to the Wii
>Friend tells him it's a new console
>Guy still isn't interested and asks when they are getting new shipments of PS4 in
Even when consumers didn't know what it is, when told they still don't care. Nintendo needs to do more than work on marketing to sell the damn thing.
DS lites were garbage anyways
RPGs were the #1 genre at the time. Nintendo pissed of Square by charging them $30 a cart. This is what made Playstation a success and which in turn made Playstation 2 so successful.
Sunshine was a lot more open and lost the fun of climbing up different paths around the levels. The water thing was annoying and got in the way.
Prime was a great game. It was so far removed from Super Metroid though that it didn't automatically appeal to fans. If the second one came out by itself, nobody would have even thought it had anything to do with Metroid.
Wind Waker was awful because it had about 4 dungeons, one of which forced you to use stealth. If you went from Zelda to LttP to Ocarina to Wind Waker, the action becomes more and more sparse.
>How can you not accept that marketing is playing a huge role here?
Because the core reason why it's failing is not because people don't know it exists but because it's a product they don't want. Changing its name will not suddenly make disinterested consumers interested in it, like you and others want to believe.
Don't put words in my mouth. Changing its name fixes only one problem. Marketing isn't just an issue of people knowing it exists. They also have to be told why they should buy it, and that's something Nintendo is CURRENTLY failing at with their marketing. Listen dude, I agree with you that its specs are weak, its library was lackluster until fairly recently, and the tablet is strange. But none of that stuff has ever mattered for Nintendo before; the failure here is failing to present their product to the consumer in an appealing way.
>Anyways, it's still the only console with games.
That's not much of an accomplishment when you've been in the market for 400+ years before the competition. And the sad thing is that 2014 is still a weak year.
The Wii-U and its Brawl 2.0 + Dynasty Warriors Rehash is just enough to justify $299.
But the PS4 will gain value in 2015 and 2016 with a ton of exclusives. It's a much better investment long-term. I say this purely as an analyst and the PS3's trajectory at this time.
>Most of us here on /v/ already knew that the Wii U's main problem was the naming and marketing of the console.
And the non-interesting Wii-U controller.
And the last-gen hardware.
And the lack of third-party (which the Wii even had).
All 3 of those points are far more significant than any other deficit...by a long shot.
y'know, every time an article like this sprouts up one question always comes to my mind: why? Why does the Wii U's name irritate journalists so much? Seriously, we all agreed the X Box One's name was stupid but now journalists have either forgotten about it or wear kid gloves. What is it about the Wii U's name that garners such bizarre, obsessive HATE with people? I'm seriously asking here. I don't want to think journos are being petty, whiny children but that's the only logical conclusion I can come to. Though ironically it is illogical
They could've EASILY called it the fucking SUPER Wii and been in the clear. Holy shit, Nintendo.
I really don't get why people here flat out deny that a PS4 is better for the long term. What's Nintendo gonna have after Zelda U? Mario Party?
PS4 is outselling the competition and it hasn't been out a full year. The thing hasn't even really started going yet. It's just beginning.
Should've been "Wii HD" "Super Wii" or "Wii HD"
Make sure it isn't just an accessory for the Wii (which a ton of people tend to think) but a brand new console. Wii U is a horrible name, and the console would've sol a ton better if it were called something else.
If anything its more immersive. When you pull out your phone or a map or something in real life, you look down at it and read it while things are still happening around you. Pausing the game to look at a menu or map or whatever instantly reminds you that you're playing a video game.
>But the PS4 will gain value in 2015 and 2016 with a ton of exclusives
They just didn't tell people they wanted it loud enough. That's what sold the other two consoles, because it certainly wasn't the wide selection of quality games, Sony and MS shoved it right in your face repeatedly and told you you wanted it.
Lots of people want the 3DS and its games and it was marketed well enough, the Wii U just had a piss-poor launch window because Nintendo assumed the brand name and third-party ports would carry it and it didn't. It has, by far, the highest attach rate of the three new consoles, people that own it buy games for it. The problem is that Nintendo needs to present it in a more appealing way and tell people it has fun, exclusive games over and over and over again.
If all you like are shooters and cinematic games with sparse, casualized gameplay for the masses that you can only play by yourself, then yeah, the PS4 is better in the long run (unless you have a PC that isn't a toaster.) The Wii U is easily the best of the three consoles because its at least not rendered completely useless by a half-decent PC.
There's no way they're going to keep sales at the level they were at and shortly after launch. The Wii kept selling and selling because it was something wildly new and different for most people and appealed to pretty much everyone while the PS4 isn't and doesn't. The Xbone has 98% of the games the PS4 and has more of its own exclusives, so I think the gap will close between them as long as MS doesn't try to re-implement any of that bullshit DRM.
Okay, well since I'm spending this money on a PC, I really don't feel like getting a Wii U. It's fucking moronic to market your console as an optional supplement to the mainstream market.
i think it's a great idea that Nintendo's 9th console should be called the Hyper Nintendo Entertainment System that pars with PS4 hardware but higher.
Maybe lower since their wasn't a 8th gen game that's pushed the system's chips and hardware. (ex. Sunshine for GCN, ??? for Xbox, and SotC for PS2)
PS3 will still get games in 2015.
Think about that. PS3 will probably outlive Wii U.
Nice shitposting. I suppose that PS4 is excellent for exclusive titles like Knack and Infamous: Can't even reach 60 FPS edition.
That shit isn't out yet and most of your highly anticipated exclusives are coming next year.
you never learn /a/ or Rugga
>When you pull out your phone or a map or something in real life,
I'm surrounded by real life though, it's seamless
In a game on a TV by looking down to a tablet it brings you from one part of the game to the other via your front room.
Second screen in a TV context is a failure, it didn't work for TV and it wont work for games either. There is nothing compelling and certainly nothing system selling about an inventory screen in your lap.
>And then there was ANOTHER fucking Donkey Kong...
I'll admit, when it was announced, I rolled my eyes. But then when it came out, that shit was fucking FANTASTIC. Better than the last in every way except difficulty (it wasn't as brutal). Absolutely nothing wrong with that game.
That piece gets smaller and smaller every generation while the rest of the pie is growing at a ridiculous rate. How is this a smart business move? I understand they have a big cash pile, but what the fuck do their investors think we they see GTA V bring in a billion dollars without a penny going towards Nintendo? They need to wise up and drastically rethink their philosophy.
That's absolutely what they should be doing. What, you think it should be a mid-range laptop with AAA shooters like the other two consoles? Yeah, you're right, why appeal to everyone, even owners of the other two competing consoles and PCs, when you can just appeal directly to people who probably own/are more likely to buy one of the other two consoles or a PC?
Even if you have another console or a PC there's still something you might like on the Wii U that will get you to buy one.
The thing is dude, at least half of video game sales are people buying games/systems for other people.
I work at Fucking Gamestop, and I get at least 1 person a day ask me, "What's that Wii U? Is that a tablet/controller/handheld?"
no need, Bloodborne is so far shit after looking at this.
plus Souls games are known for having shit FPS' and From never fix it.
He's completely right. Nintendo dropped the ball so fucking hard on the name it's ridiculous. We could have gotten ultra NES, Revolution (which should have been the Wii's real name anyway), nintendo 128, anything would have been better than Wii U.
Of course someone working at Nintendo would blame the name, way easier than admitting it's not a good console.
Super Nintendo had the same issue where parents thought it was just the "premium" version, but get enough kids saying "we want the SUPER nintendo mom!" because they actually want it and it's important to them, and the problem is solved.
You have it backward.
The 'core' subset of customers is the pie that's not getting any bigger, and it's the pie that, previously, everyone was trying to grab a slice of. The Gamecube sold poorly, and Nintendo realized they couldn't keep trying to directly compete for that same single 'core' pie. So the Wii appealed to everyone, Nintendo could still grab a little pie but also had 'casual' muffins, cookies and funnel cake to grab from too.
Nintendo is trying to appeal to everyone instead of a single subset of customers, they want everyone to buy and play their games, not just males in their teens-to-early-thirties. Something that people who already own a PS4 or Xbone might want to buy as well. The Wii U would probably be going a little better if they hadn't dropped the ball with marketing and letting people know about their console at the beginning.
see your post >>256726821
>PS3 will probably outlive Wii U.
you said it's gonna be dead soon because of another console.
remember that news when Gamecube was going to be discontined by May or some other month because of Xbox or PS2?
Right, the same people who would probably have to ask you questions about an Xbox or Playstation as well before buying something to make sure he/she had it right.
Worked. Past tense.
If those mid range shooters are bringing Microsoft, Sony and Valve tens of millions of dollars, yeah. Being the only games available on a console doesn't make Nintendo games better or more special. If they were simply an amazing exclusive incentive, and their hardware was on par with their competitors, they could easily take advantage of both markets. They would have to aggressively work to shed their perceived "kiddy" image, but it's possible.
The Xbox barely outsold it too, only by a million or two. They both sold like dog shit compared to the PS2, but MS got their foot and brand name in the door, which is what they wanted.
Nintendo couldn't compete with the other core platforms because they were constantly behind in hardware/user experience. PS2 sold boatloads because it had a DVD player. XBox had Live. Gamecube had a handle.
Ultimate Nintendo Entertainment System
Acts as both a throwback to their original systems, is an easy acronym to remember, and doesn't sound like it's a Wii expansion anymore.
Either way, it's too late now, and Nintendo will continue to be retarded when it comes to marketing.
>If those mid range shooters are bringing Microsoft, Sony and Valve tens of millions of dollars, yeah
First, Nintendo has made so much more money than both Sony and MS's game divisions by a huge margin, and Valve makes money because they have their own proprietary storefront and DRM on every PC playing games with absolutely no competition.
Valve is actually a good example, but not for the point you're trying to make. Nintendo stands to make more money with their own walled garden, not by trying to do what Sony and MS are doing. Steam is successful because Valve controls every aspect of it with little/no competition and it has games that appeal to pretty much everyone. They're not just trying to nab a certain demographic that their competitors already have in their pockets, Nintendo will fare much better with their 'blue ocean' strategy than anything else.
Nintendo U. It would be easy as shit to advertise too.
>men from the "Wii would like to play" commercials playing some Wii U game
>people see what he's playing and are peeking through the window
>suddenly, the two Japanese men magically pop up behind the spectators
>"Would U like to play?"
>cut to everybody having fun and having a good time playing Wii U games
But again, the Xbox sold like ass too though, despite also supporting DVD playback, being the same price as the PS2 but with better hardware and Live later in its life.
The PS2 sold largely on its brand name coupled with the fact that it was a DVD player.
>It's a new Playstation AND it played DVDs!
I honestly have no idea where the game industry is going, but it doesn't look good. I honestly don't see any reason why the PS4 is going well, then again, it isn;t the Xbone which is doing worse than the Wii U.
I don't think you understand the concept of a bubble. Nintendo not only survived a gaming crash, but revitalized the industry.
I realize the pre-crash era in the 80s was somewhat different than what we have now, but there's a lot of similarities.
>consoles that don't have enough to distinguish themselves from the competition
>rehashing of games
>budgets getting out of control
>games being made under the assumption that they are guaranteed to make record profits (Destiny comes to mind)
>quality of games declining (bug fixes, day one patches)
>reviews that can't be trusted
There's a lot going on and I don't blame Nintendo for being apprehensive about trying to jump on the bandwagon.
Look at the state of xbox, playstation, and PC. Xbone and PS4's design decision entirely revolved around third parties bossing MS and Sony around and telling them they need to make things that are easy to port to. Companies like EA and Ubi are in control of the xbone/PS4/PC market