>Items which alter attack, defense, and speed
>Tournaments will be able to adjust movesets and stats to their liking
>Meleefags can literally buff the speed on all characters
>SSB4 allows players to re-balance the game as they please
>People still haven't realized this
>Meleefags want to ban custom movesets because they take too long to set up
>not making the game even more challenging and exciting by adapting to several combinations of moves
Custom movesets sound like an incredibly fun addition to the game
Custom movesets could work in competitive play. The items however have too many variables and would take fucking forever to set up.
>they take too long to set up
That's such a poor excuse. Have you seen how fast those faggots type in name tags? Setting up the moveset they want would take like 3 seconds.
Wrong, faggot. They won't make custom movesets the standard in a competitive environment if they take too long to set up. They'll still have them, but it will inevitably end up less popular if that is the case. Otherwise, competitivefags are really looking forward to how custom moves shake things up.
But you're too scared of the boogieman so you'll just keep parroting shit you've heard from people who don't know anything.
Customized movesets could also lead to nerfing and buffing characters. It's a really interesting feature that will sadly get ignored and criticized because it isn't broken like Melee
Fighting game asspies will at least have to be happy about this, with this they can nerf any of the characters that look at them funny and buff their favourite characters. Seriously though fight game fans can be children, if the game isn't 100% tweaked exactly how they want it they go ape shit.
Have you read Smashboards? And why would they still make them an option if they find them inconvenient?
>scared of the boogieman
kek nice insult faggot you showed me
It's really slow and the discrepancy between good characters and bad characters is obvious even at the shit level of play me and my friends play at.
I wanted the game to be good because of how much shit it had, but they really shit the bad with very fundamental stuff.
But anon he didn't say to buy SSB4 he said to just keep playing Melee
dont know much about smash but the general fightfag doesnt like too much customisation, pretty much no pro play allows custom characters in any game or using different versions of their character other than the current, like in usf4
I said they were a fun addition. I'm saying meleefags are conflicted because it takes so long to set up, which is bullshit.
>boy I sure showed him!
>it takes so long to set up
We have no idea how long it takes to set up and the competitive community is completely open to trying it if it doesn't take an unreasonable amount of time.
Jesus, every Smash thread now is just shitpost after shitpost. We are the only fanbase tearing ourselves apart because we have different favorite entries in the series. Who the fuck cares. Play the game you want and don't let the fact that other people are playing a different game bother you.
Custom movesets are an awesome addition, and would prove to make competitive smash more interesting. But items with the same name can have different stats. I doubt that it'd be possible to collect all of the possible item/stat combos on one console so I don't think they'll have a presence in tournaments.
>We are the only fanbase tearing ourselves apart because we have different favorite entries in the series.
I would not be so sure about this
but we are probably the worst
I'm not talking about letting people adjust stats as they please, I'm talking about having 'official' character stats for tournaments. Having specific stat set-ups for certain characters in order to nerf or buff them as tournaments please. It gives them control over the balance.
Of course it's a great game, but not exactly the best. I dislike the artstyle, personally.
And Melee is the fast, agerssive one one while Brawl is the slow, defensive one. No one can say that one style is better than the other. In fact, Brawl sold more and received better praise, and that counts as much as saying that "Melee has a strong fanbase!".
Ah, now I understand.
Yeah, it will be good to fix up Low Tier characters. But first, the meta needs to develop, so it won't happen until a year passes and we get some tournament results.
This applies to any game with a fanbase that goes into 5 digits.
Important note about the fighting game community from years of experience, everyone is a fucking asshole online, but once you meet people in person to play they either get really shy and don't talk or they're legitimately nice people. The few assholes I've actually met are generally not good at the game to begin with.
>don't let the fact that other people are playing a different game bother you
The problem is that I WANT to play the new games, but because people are ignorant as to why the new games are bad, the franchise itself will continue to be terrible and Nintendo/Sakurai will never address the problems because the competitive crowd is deemed the minority. The truth needs to be known.
I think people are missing the point on how these can be used for tournaments, though. Think about how the Tournament Legal for this game will look a year from now.
Characters will be paired with specific items and movesets that tournaments deem balanced. Instead of banning characters like Meta Knight, they can just rebalance him to match their desires.
Tournaments won't allow fully customized set-ups, but they will have legal load-outs for each character.
Reminder that meleefags and tourneyfags are not the same thing. Meleefags are the cancer that can't move on or stand ANYTHING different from melee and swear they'll be playing that for all of eternity. Tourneyfags are just tourney players.
>"it takes too long" is a shitty excuse
It's fine when it isn't part of other majors. It's fine when smash is the only event.
But a match of smash takes on average 7-10 minutes counting stage picks/bans, and 4stock-7minutes and 2/3 is fucking absurd.
It's shit for TOs, it's shit for players of other games, and it's shit for stream viewers waiting for those other games when smash consistently goes a half hour to 45 minutes beyond its expected timeslot because it's the slowest fucking thing in the universe.
Making it even slower without divorcing smash from fighting game majors would be the worst thing ever.
I believe both are correct. You can use Amiibos to transfer your custom movesets, from 3DS to Wii U for example. You can also use it to build on your Amiibo character, who is a CPU.
There's no way players don't have custom movesets since it would ruin the entire point of Palutena and Miis, and the Amiibos do allow you to transfer your own movesets across systems.
>An E3 build which was probably finished 2-3 months before E3 is worse then a finished product
>You can use Amiibos to transfer your custom movesets
Amiibos are custom AI, when you touch them to the gamepad they are added as a player slot on the character select screen. The data stays inside the figure, you can't use it to transfer stuff to other fighters. Touching a Mario figure to the gamepad won't give you that figures moveset the next time you pick Mario
>and the Amiibos do allow you to transfer your own movesets across systems.
No both games have a section on their menu for the other platform. To exchange data.
The biggest issue with custom movesets in tournament play is how long they take to setup. Smash is already notorious for how long matches take and anything that adds to that.
Then again the movesets will be min/maxed in like a month
They told us EXACTLY how amiibos work. And there is already another system for sharing data between versions. Also as far as we know there is no system in place for Amiibos to be usable on the 3DS version of Smash.
The only people I've met that think brawl is fun (in actual gameplay) are the people that have never played melee or PM or 64.
Brawl's severe lack of character balance and gameplay speed and /"floatiness"/ combine to make a thoroughly unfun game when developed at any level, casual or competitive.
Basically, Brawl gets old really fast.
i wont dispute that
but there are some things that brawl has that melee does that are nice and worth playing the game for
for example wario, pokemon trainer, falcons turn punch, a couple cool stages
>game unbalanced whether items are on or off
>chaingrabbing fucking broken infinites
>Sakurai made his own characters broken (Read: METAKNIGHT and also dedede with the chaingrabs and shit)
The most effective strategy is to play like a faggot. That is more than enough reason to not like brawl. The only way to have fun with it is to play like a retard, which is shit-tier game design
But that's a legitimate excuse tho, you can maemae all you want but it's true, Nintendo reps were taking suggestions and stuff from people at E3, obviously the finished product is gonna be better than the unfinished product that had at E3. How much better? Well, we'll have to wait see.
>spends over ten years mastering a game
>not a real fan
then dont play as metaknight
when are people ever in a situation where they actually deal with metaknight
hes just become the icon that people use to poop on the game
and there was chaingrabbing in melee
it takes skill and almost no one does it seriously
That sounds like the same shit we heard about dmc and many other terrible games
No there isn't. Every promotional material has had the Wii U version only. And no one has said anything about amiibos being usable on the 3DS version. And before you bring up the thing they're releasing for the 3DS, I already know about that. I'm talking about Smash 3DS, the game, doesn't have anything in place right now to support amiibos.
>if you prefer melee you're not a real fan of smash
Chaingrabs definitely don't take skill in brawl. Most are literally downthrow, step foward, downthrow. The ice climbers are the only character that have tricky grab setups. At least in melee you had to read DI
Because it is shit for the players of other games, and TOs are paying for a venue for you to play it, so you shouldn't be an entitled retarded cunt.
Smash is "allowed" at other majors. It isn't the main event. It shouldn't hog a retarded amount of time or get special treatment just because the players have to police their own game to make it less terrible.
If you want to ruin it for everybody else host your own shit.
It will though
>doesn't have anything in place right now to support amiibos
that's fine, considering neither the game nor amiibos are out anon.
Amiibos aren't coming out till this holiday*, and 3ds amiibo support is coming early next year, it will have it, but considering neither are out, it doesn't matter
>then dont play as metaknight
cool, guess I'll just go get raped by metaknight players then
>when are people ever in a situation where they actually deal with metaknight
>hes just become the icon that people use to poop on the game
because he's blatantly broken with maximum move priority and damage and recovery and jesus they didn't think about balance at all
>and there was chaingrabbing in melee
>it takes skill and almost no one does it
Melee chains require you to predict which way your opponent will go next (which is essentially random unless you're in their head)
Wobbling is the exception and the Icies have nothing else to fight with
confirmed for learn some education
>Meleefags ban custom moves because they take too long to set up
>meanwhile I go to GenCon and game setup takes an hour on average with no complaints
Why are tourneyfags so terrible?
>Tournaments will be able to adjust movesets and stats to their liking
As far as I know, no tournament has ever done this. It'd be kind of a mess for the organizers.
But yes, it'll be fun regardless.
>Smash tourneys should just start taking twice as long to set up because GenCon does it
where the hell did you get the idea that PM is even remotely unstable
shittons of money are put into PM tourneys, especially CEO and Zenith, no fucking way you have a clue what you're talking about
I have had it crash. I've had it take multiple attempts just to boot up. I've had it never allow us into tourney mode (always going into rotation for some reason), and just by its nature you can't trust a mod to be consistent. There amount of quality control and QA is too small and the problems can always arise.
No shit it doesn't at this point in time.
Neither are out, at this point in time
what are you crying about
the post i responded to was;
where you said
>as far as we know there is no system in place for amiibos to be usable on the 3ds version of smash
and i said that was wrong you fucktard, because as far as we know, there is a system in place for exactly that
It's called the Tourneyfag effect.
When people find a way to make everything as "competitive" and "srsbusiness" and "hardcore" as possible, they'll do it, at the cost of pretty much every thing that makes the game enjoyable. Screw the stages, screw the items, screw the smashballs, it's all about tiers and motherfucking wavedashing.
Because some people think that they need to throw a shit storm until there is close to zero % chance of loss from RNG, even though characters like Luigi, Peach, and Mr. Game & Watch all have it.
The nice thing about ultras is that there are only 2 options and it's on the character select screen.
Unless Smash 4 has a VERY fluid menu design for custom movesets I don't see it being used in any tourneys. That shit will be a nightmare.
>I've had it never allow us into tourney mode (always going into rotation for some reason)
Project M doesn't have tourney mode because the new characters make it not work for some reason
and if you've had problems booting PM, it's because of something YOU did, not the mod.
>and i said that was wrong you fucktard, because as far as we know, there is a system in place for exactly that
Except there isn't. Show me where they said Smash Bros 3DS would support the amiibo figures.
You know you can be casual and still prefer certain stages and prefer playing with items off right? I've never been a competitive person but items off was how I enjoyed playing Melee. Brawl I tend to prefer with items though, dat soccer ball.
Only delusional tourneyfags say this. I like PM, but brawl was still fun with friends. Non competitive players (i.e. those who just play 4v4 with items) won't even notice any of the gameplay changes you care about. They'd rather play brawl because it has more items and for the final smashes.
>pretty much no pro play allows custom characters in any game or using different versions of their character other than the current, like in usf4
You're wrong in every respect and talking out your ass
You can pick ultras for starters
>playing an RNG filled party game for money
It looks underwhelming so far. You can tell sakurai is tired of making them, but we'll see
>I honestly think Brawl is a superior competitive game to P:M in nearly every way
you're lying or have contracted downs
you're saying you're far too obese to get off the couch and use your dewrito soaked fingers to remove the sd card
just disable custom stages in random select
>it has problems and nobody really understands why
>but it's super stable and you can trust the game to be consistent
Alright...you can chalk it up to paranoia on my part if you want but I can't feel comfortable in that kind of environment. Makes me feel like the game could just screw up at any time.
I'm beginning to think non-competitive or casual is synonymous with bad. You don't even have to be particularly good to notice all of brawl's faults.
I know from experience you're wrong.
I forced a group of my ultracasual items-on friends to play project m instead of brawl for a while because it was my system
>anon stop using hacks lets just play brawl
"no no seriously try this you'll like it"
I spent the next week or two teaching them the differences and basic shit (no wavedancing glideflossing edgehagging whatever)
and they hated brawl from then on
walk offs are banned because characters like d3 and falco and mk have infinite chaingrabs on half the cast that can take them to the blast zone
if melee had better walkoffs they'd prolly be unbanned or at least counterpick but brawl is too inherently broken for it
You put all the right keyords into that post, why not put them into the Google search bar?
For normal tourneys that don't involve money, it will be fine.
But when it comes to tournaments that involve money, only speed matters.
>People complain when someone says they need a break between matches.
>People complain if the gameplay itself isn't fast as shit.
>People complain if its stock not timed, as someone will stall and make the game last longer.
>People complain that if these things had judges of some kind, it will take even more time what with Judges having to argue with the players.
The only thing that matters in Smash money tournaments to those people is time.
And yes, if custom movesest take just two more button clicks to choose, they aren't going to fly cause that's two seconds of their important time.
The Project M people seperated Pokemon Trainer because switching out pokemon to them "took too long"
Why are these people so addicted to speed for everything? Are they on drugs or something?
All of my casual friends dropped Melee inmmediatly after they played Brawl. We played melee for years, and 64 before that. They didn't even care about PM when they heard it was Melee-like.
>Implying your not gonna shove your favorite Smash Character inside an Amiibo, train the fuck out of them and have amiiboo money matches
Also is it just me or does Mario look significantly better than usual in OP's image?
>Sakurai hates tournament players
>Makes the game even more casual
>Removes mobility options, shit is awkward
>Still makes Final Destination versions of stages
>For Glory mode
>Encouraging the use of GC controllers instead of forcing the competitive scene to use another controller
>Implying real casuals care about how better a GC controller is for playing Smash, he didn't do it for them
Is Sakurai bipolar or something? Whose side is he on? God damn.
Tastes anon, and it depends on what your priorities are.
Also heck no, Sakurai himself wanted to make Smash4, the polar opposite of when Brawl was made before he was even told about it
>there are people that think that Smash will ever be taken seriously as a competitive game
>The only thing that matters in Smash money tournaments to those people is time.
Time is important in any fucking tourney, stop trying to make Smash players look bad. When you have to do hundreds of matches on a limited schedule, of course you're going to want things to move as fast and as smoothly as possible. Wasting time sifting through menus is time wasted.
>Removes Mobility options
What the FUCK are you talking about? Mobility in new Smash is significantly better here than in Brawl.
Also Sakurai said many times, new Smash is meant to fuse the best of Melee and Brawl while being its own game
if you're getting pounded by a lucario you're probably not at the level where you can abuse glidetossing on diddy and float cancel n-airs for mewtwo on him, but if you want to murder him:
>rack up some decent amount of damage, around 5 or up
>place c4 on him
>throw him up
this strat is unbeatable at casual levels but will make your friend hate the game
No, he stated before that he went out of his way to make Brawl different from Melee. Because it was suppose to be different from Melee.
None of the Smash games are suppose to have the same physics. They will always be different from each other.
Its the same with Mario Party, and Mario Kart.
THIS IS HOW NINTENDO TREATS THEIR FRANCHISES.
To them, Different >>>>>>> improved version
I suggest you get used to it.
both players agreed not to play metaknight or falco before hand, that's the only reason that match even looked semi-interesting
still slower than the average melee game but not really that bad
He says many things, most of which are lies to calm the public down. Did you never notice how items in Brawl were nerfed to fuck?
The man lost his touch after Melee, the success got to his head and now he does whatever the fuck he wants because the Smash Bros. name sells for itself. At least the items in Smash 4 seem to hit harder this time around.
>if custom movesest take just two more button clicks to choose
>making a custom name
you're retarded, they would have time for that shit if it only took two button clicks
>The Project M people seperated Pokemon Trainer because switching out pokemon to them "took too long"
The pokemon trainer was separated because it would be extremely hard to balance out 3 characters.
>And yes, if custom movesest take just two more button clicks to choose, they aren't going to fly cause that's two seconds of their important time.
As people have said, they already deal with Ultras, they'll deal with this
Its the result of Nintendo's typical gambling way of always having to make their game installments different from the last ones.
There's a bad Mario Kart.
There's a bad Zelda.
There's a bad Mario Party.
There's a bad 3D Mario.
There's a bad Metroid.
Sunshine VS 64
Ocarina of Time VS Link to the Past
Mario Kart DS VS Mario Kart 8
Etc, etc, etc.
The good news about Brawl being seen as bad is the fact that they are going to make sure that new smash isn't the same as Brawl, just by the fact that they are going to make it different for the sake of being different, not to improve it.
i shit you not, the jamaican smash scene literally only played melee on lightning mode because they saw NA players and didn't think people could actually move that fast at normal speed
>Implying character movement speed was the only thing that made Melee fun
You really don't know what you're talking about do you OP?
Constant hype threads for this game every hour. so much hype. so much riding on this to save the Wii U, justify purchasing it. More hype. Putting all fanboy eggs in one basket. stealing eggs and putting them in same basket.
mfw when game is actually finally released and sucks.
>he thinks that meleefags think melee is the perfect smash game
I know that. I didn't say the 3DS wasn't going to be able to use amiibos. I said that the 3DS version of Smash Bros as far as we know doesn't support amiibos. Read my post again.
Do you not remember the Brawl threads? I assume you haven't been here long enough.
Nobody was vetting on Brawl to save the Wii, and nobody is vetting on Smash 4 to "save" the Wii U.
Big fucking surprise, people are talking about the game because they want to play the game, not for any other reason.
Stop trying to turn a thread about video games into your retarded "Nintendo ded" company war shit.
Fuck off. For those of us who actually have friends, Brawl is more fun to play. Sure we all have varying degrees of skill, but none of us are experts and no one is going to lock someone out every round. There's a ton more music, stages, characters, and an awesome multiplayer mode that made unlocking everything extremely fun.
You fucking tourneyfags are cancer. You're that guy who shows up at parties with a gamecube and insists on Melee even though no one wants to play because you always win.
they're selling an adapter that allows you to play with gc controllers
also they're selling special smash edition gc controllers
>literally being a casual elitist
Nobody could really be this stupid right? This has to be bait right?
Smash 4 looks like a great game and loads of fun. I'm convinced the people lashing out like children over it are in one of these categories:
>Don't own a Wii U and will not get one because poor/negligent and this is a fox-grape situation
>Are just shit flinging for the sake of shit flinging to fit in/bandwagon/cause trouble to fill the empty void
>Tourney fags or deluded individuals that believe they are tourney fags because they defeat all their friends/family in smash with ease
These are the only options that make sense. Project M is a mod, that while fun, not only does not everyone have/want access to, but is just that, a mod of brawl. Melee is an older release that while fun, was improved upon in Brawl, unless you're a cunt who believes the game is supposed to be competitive and it was ruined by brawl, in which case you fall under the list I've made above.
Smash 4 will be a new game that everyone will buy. Face it and stop being a cunt. You'll buy it too and you know it. And if you really like the series, and for some reason don't buy the game, you either fall into one of the aforementioned categories or are a stupid cunt.
You may also just not like smash in general. In which case, you're alright by me. Just don't be a cunt about it.