So why can't link be a girl? I think it would be interesting. It would also breath a bit of life into the crusty old series.
There would be no difference
Link would do what Link does, solve puzzles, traverse dungeons, and beat the bad guy, basically a skin swap
I wouldn't mind it, but it wouldn't make sense for Link to be a girl all of a sudden
Link is such a bland and boring character that it wouldn't matter what what gender he was. People just get emotional because "MUH SJW, MUH FEMINIST BOOGYMAN"
I want Link to be a girl in the next game just to see everyone cry about it.
Why does it have to be Link?
Why take a popular, established franchise and demand to be changed for no real reason. Instead of leeching off another's success for little more than socio-political cred, why not add something new?
Because there is no real reason for Link to be a girl except "just because"
If people want some idea of diversifying main characters in the video game industry, they need to stop trying to shoe-horn gender and race changes to already existing characters. Those characters are already their own thing, and changing them doesn't add anything to the character and only alienates the people that identified with those characters in the first place.
If you want to make a Zelda game with a female protagonist, have one that follows Zelda or Impa. You don't need to shoe horn Link into a Female Roll.
Maybe the character interactions would be different.
Imagine zelda's face when she realizes the hero of time
is a girl
What's the difference between a guy in a green tunic blankly staring at the talking NPC and a girl in a green tunic blankly staring at the talking NPC?
Weren't there already a couple of Zelda games? One from the same CD-i people who gave us laughing elf man.jpg and another that was some weird top-down adventure game or something.
Because it would be fucking pointless and stupid. Do you want Mario to be female as well? Would that change anything?
Please don't be one of those autists who spams this thread every day.
I wouldn't mind if they made link a grill. Nothing much would change. Just more sexy art for me to... enjoy.
Regardless of your opinion of them, the ones where you play as Zelda played exactly like Link would. I'd like a game where you actually play as Zelda, doing Zelda things with Zelda's abilities and traits.
But I keep telling you... and I will tell you again, so read carefully. Changing the gender would not change the game play (this means the game will not play differently, please understand this). However, changing links gender may make player view the game differently without changing much else. I'm not saying this is a good or bad thing, that it changes the game play. I am simply stating that it may be interesting for better or worse.
Please note, one more time that the game play will not change.
I hope I have made that point clear now.
Last thread was pretty funny, wonder how this one will go.
>Changing the gender would not change the game play (this means the game will not play differently, please understand this)
So then it wouldn't, as you say, "breath a bit of life into the crusty old series" at all.
If it doesn't matter why should it matter if it is changed.
Link is a character, an entity. People recognize him as the face of the Zelda franchise, changing him would be dumb and pointless.
Also the Japanese games refer to him as the Hero, with male identifiers. Link is always the reincarnation of the Hero, except in the case of Wind Waker.
because it matters that it doesnt matter
Well clearly it matters otherwise we wouldn't have this thread.
Easy answer to "why make the character black" is the whole spiel of the various nonwhite ethnicities don't get a whole bunch of roles as leads and there's plenty of shows where they're rare background characters. That whole example of the young black girls not wanting black dolls because they only thought of white girl dolls as pretty.
It's been good for deaf people to see deaf characters, it's been good for black people to see positive black characters, etc etc.
Of course, this is Link, and his pointy eared blonde dorkboy appearance is set in stone so changing it would come across as nothing but a marketing ploy that Nintendo wouldn't spring for.
Zelda game with a non-link protagonist that was a chick? I'd be down for it, personally, don't know about you guys.
Lore-wise there is no real reason Link couldn't be a girl. Design-wise there is no good reason for Link TO be a girl, and making that change without good reason is destructive, compulsory crap.
I'd be fine with every main character being female
The problem is those games don't sell well.
Look what happened when they took Samus out of the suit and started forcing all the female maternal bullshit down everyone's throats.
Unless she's just some stripper (Lollipop Chainsaw, Bayonetta) no one will buy the games. And that's hardly more "feminist" than just having the character be male.
How? Link has no character, no personality, no lines of dialogue. He's a blank slate for the character to self-insert as. A 'Link" to the player so to speak. It would change nothing about the game other than the fact that Link would have tits this time.
Why can't Link be a man? He always looked like a bbc sucking blonde swedish faggot. Why not make him a Crusade knight?
>being attracted to tits and vagoo makes you gay
A Gerudo protagonist would be fine, as long as it was made clear that it was in fact a Gerudo character.
I just think making Link literally the same character but with boobs is wrong.
You claimed that somehow changing Link's gender would, and I quote, "breath a bit of life into the crusty old series," and then proceeded to claim it would have absolutely no impact on the game.
>I don't care about the game play
Typical response of someone who wants a pointless genderswap in an established game.
Just fuck off already, new IPs are created all the time with female characters if that's your bag. Just leave Zelda alone, please.
Link is a character. This is a fact. He has no 'personality'. He does, however, have a gender. Would it not be interesting to change it?
Let's throw away the rights and wrongs of this and ask the simple question.
Would it be 'interesting' to change Link's gender?
Fuck yes, I would kill for a spin off game where you play as Zelda. Make it a stealth game with magic elements similar in style if not tone to Sly Cooper where you play as Sheik and occasionally Zelda herself.
Ok but I am only doing this so I can appear straight
> thinking Samus was only revealed as female recently
A never said that. Samus was in her (very masculine looking) suit for most games so her being a woman had no bearing on anything.
Then when she leaves the suit suddenly she's wearing a skin tight outfit and crying. It's a significant contrast with the strong silent type she used to be when she could still ostensibly be seen as male by any passive observer who didn't know any better.
Because make your own game starring a girl
Women are not equal because they can't even do that, instead they want men to do it for them.
>Would be interesting and stray from the normal formulaic characters
You mean those well known and well loved normal formulaic characters that made the game popular and ensure people keep buying the game?
I'm sure changing those will not be a risk at all!
Good idea, maybe we should talk about our feelings too just in case.
More the merrier I always say.
let's break up what makes most games, okay?
Story and characters
Each of these can be changed without directly affecting the other while still effecting how the game is perceived.
It's silly to say that characters have no bearing on how a game is received and are irrelevant.
Link can be a transgender moon wizard for all I care. It's not really important at all as long as it's visually identifiable as essentially the same character.
>Impa for combat and action.
>Zelda for solving puzzles.
So, pic related, basically?
I would think a prince to reverse the roles around.
Except graphics only matter insofar as you can see what you're doing, and story only exists so you know what to do. The only thing that matters, and thus the only thing you can change to "freshen up" a game, is the gameplay.
But changing story and characters and Art doesn't breathe new life into the series. If it did Zelda wouldn't be a 'crusty old series' in the first place since nearly every game brings new characters, new stories and a new artstyle.
Me too but thats not the point. You shouldnt try to change an established character for your own benefit.
Only if you can play as each of the individual Brace Police as well
>Would make the player view the game differently
Not really, though. It's just a completely blank slate avatar.
They're cool games, with awesome, creative and fun lore, and interesting characters.
Except Link, who is pretty much an automaton, created again and again by fate/gods/whatever to set things straight. It would change nothing but give you a feminin ass to stare at all day.
Because god is dead and there is no justice
Why can't Link be a dog?
And none of that "transformation" shit, I mean like a dog through and through.
It would really change how people look at the series and breathe some life into it. The gameplay would be mostly unaffected, and NPC interactions would be interesting. :3
>mfw it's impossible to find good link doujins without sorting through piles of hard shota
I don't want hard shota damnit, I want old link
Why can't Link be a gorilla?
It could make an interesting spin-off maybe but there's really no way you can make a game in the same vein as the main series with a dog protagonist without some magical voodoo handwavy horseshit
>lack of dexterity
Did you not see that dog? He was running all over the walls.
Zelda is all about innovation, I'm sure they'd be able to make a dog protagonist feel good to play as. And besides, it's magic, they could give him telekinesis or something to get around the dexterity problem.
>wanting Link to be a girl
Not sure why you'd think of something less badass than the fusion of McCrane, Power Joe, and Dumpson when you think of the name Build Tiger, but while we're at it, go ahead and watch all of J-Decker. You'll thank yourself for it later.
But being a gorilla would make for much better combat. Wrestling a goron would actually make sense for a gorilla.
>magic ghost hands
>to hold a sword or some shit
why not have dog Link become the sword?
You are the 700 years old spirit of a demon warrior from the 12th circle of hell, a land called Anzansaruruske where you battled valiantly for your lord every day. But one day your demon lord got bored of you and for shits and giggles tossed you into the human world where you took possession of the nearest body you could find, which turned out to be a dog.
But since you still ahve parts of your demon power left, you can transform your doggie body into a 6 ft tall greatsword that can suck out the souls of the people it slays.
Gameplay is practically unchanged.
I like Link of all ages.
No, because he isn't femlink
He just wishes to be
Does that necessarily mean that you have to dislike it? I mean, I've always thought that Okami was a far better Zelda style game than any of the 3d Zeldas themselves. It was at least in part because the game was built off that mechanic which was utterly unique and creative at the time.
But it does matter, you twit.
It just wouldn't matter for the game. It would add nothing, change nothing.
It would matter for the established image of the Zelda series and would be harmful to sales.
why cant Link be a subatomic particle?
Characters in Zelda interact with the player through Link. The most that Link himself interacts with others are through facial expressions, head gestures, or the occasional skit played for laughs.
Why can't Link be a talking raccoon?
Raccoons have fingers.
Has nothing to do with speedrunning. The NPCs are just there purely to point you in the right direction. Link's appearance is purely cosmetic, and it doesn't make a bit of difference whether it's a male or female one.
>not courageous enough
>Link is a folk singer from the 90s thrown through space and time to the land of Hyrule
>he gets into zany and wacky antics as he copes without technology and learns to use magic
>he plays music to defeat enemies instead of a sword
>It's like they're turned on by themselves.
Wouldn't you be if you looked like that?
Honestly I would like it, because I like looking at girls more than I like looking at guys, and because most of the Link 63 is hot.
If everybody in everything was a hot anime girl the world would be a better place.
I mean, look at Laharl. The only time he was any good was when he had tits.
People are delusional to think that even if Link was a girl in the next Zelda that Nintendo would even have the other characters in the game even acknowledge it. They would still play Link off as the formless, genderless savior that Link is presented as.
>It would also breath a bit of life into the crusty old series
pls explain how would it? making links shirt red would have a bigger impact. what would link being a girl change? other than pandering to tumblr?
Sounds like you don't know the difference between opinions and facts.
What are you even talking about? Zelda's about using tools to solve puzzles, combat is barely a factor.
It would change how certain characters act towards Link, though in my opinion it would be for the worse.
Purely from a gameplay standpoint it would make no difference, but from the story and world building and lore and shit it would make at least a bit of an impact (and again, for the worse in my opinion).
Thank you, keep going if you can
And a lack of a dick. That's important too.
does this suit your taste better?
This thread is fucking shit.
Have Zelda replace Link.
Zelda now holds the Triforce of Courage
Fuck Triforce of Wisdom, because it's literally the most useless piece of shit in the series.
Zelda must've been a real *wise* one to end up set up as damsel for almost every fucking game.
Game plays the same as before, besides some change in dialogue/character reaction.
Now the game can properly be called fucking Legend of Zelda.
No more shipping shit.
Replace fairy with powerful magician/sage/hermit who got wrecked/killed/cursed by Ganon and now helps you in his familiar/spirit/cursed form. He will also occasionally interrupt you with perverted lines or terrible old geezer jokes which which upsets Zelda. Just because.
For once I'd like the assistant to be the moron with the main as the straight guy.
So why can't Donkey Kong be a girl? I think it would be interesting. It would also breath a bit of life into the crusty old series.
Why not just have more waifu characters? And they can slobber all over you and call you handsome.
Won't get that from a female Link.
>implying femLink and waifus aren't a perfect match
How would it change the way characters act toward Link? To the best of my knowledge Link has never even been acknowledged as MALE in any meaningful sense that would change with being female. At best I would expect a throwaway line about how that Link is the first female reincarnation of the Hero.
Depends how you like to play games, I guess.
Some people like to get enveloped in the world and lore of games. Not to distract from the meat of the game, of course, but things like talking to NPCs or scanning stuff in Metroid Prime. I love doing that kind of thing, and it ruins the game when that stuff gets shat on.
Yeah? Then do the world a favor and chop yours off.
ITT: Some fag who has either played only one or never actually played a TLoZ game thinks a mundane change would make any difference because he hasn't even played the games.
Are you an EA publisher by any chance? Giving "fresh new" ideas about game you've never played.
The only reason people defend scanning in Prime is because it distracted from how fucking terrible Prime was by Metroid standards. You can go and get wrapped up in whatever you want, but in the end the only thing that matters is the goddamn gameplay, and if the changes you're proposing don't do anything to help or hinder it, then there is literally no reason to implement them one way or the other.
Because its fanbase consists for the most part of boys who use it as a self insert in adventures they will never live, or grown men who grew up doing exactly that.
Turn Link into a girl, and you will lose part of that fanbase, and not attract a significant new fanbase.
>It would change how certain characters act towards Link
Bullshit. Characters in LoZ don't give a shit about gender. The hell are you getting this crap from?
Mind you, I'm still of the opinion that a female Link is pointless, because I'd rather play as Zelda.
Stuff like how certain characters act towards you. Like say Telma, Princess Ruto, or the Queen of Fairies in WW, as examples.
For some reason it's more endearing and less creepy when female characters hit on male characters as opposed to vice versa. The same can be said of real life to an extent.
Also if Link was female you just know it would be the same old "OMG LE GRIL? NO WAY HAHA! WHOA, GIRL POWER, YOU DEFEATED ME AS A STRONG, EMPOWERED FEMALE CHARACTER! SO FEMININE YET SO POWERFUL!"
Having Link be female would attract MORE attention to the character's gender.
I believe that it would only bring more attention to Link's gender outside the game. Inside the game universe they would end up changing the genders of tons of other characters that would traditionally be female to male to avoid the whole possible lesbian undertones.
Remember that Nintendo keeps itself FAR, FAR away from same sex stuff so it can be more family friendly. Zelda herself would (probably) still be a girl but other possible romantic sub characters would be changed to a guy. The predominately teenage male fan base of the LoZ series would never stand for guys hitting on their self-insert out of homophobia. Nintendo knows this and is part of the reason why girl Link is never going to happen.
It's just safer financially.
Changing his gender would do jack shit to the game. Not even the story, which just acts as a means of giving you a series of tasks.
Even if somehow did affect the story, it would hardly affect the game. Zelda games barely have a real story, and what's there is usually dull or stupid fluff.
>Lonke will never be a reality.
Why even live
Homophobia aside, male flirting is generally less accepted than female flirting. If a woman says "wow Link, you're so cute!" and Link blushes it off, it's humorous, but imagine the scene with Ruto swimming toward Link with the bedroom eyes saying he's her soul mate, only flip the genders. It seems like the guy is coming on way too strong and would make people uncomfortable, because male flirting is generally seen as a scummy thing in most forms of media. If that made sense.
Why can't we just swap Link and Samus if gender doesn't matter? Have Samus in a tunic on a dungeon crawling adventure and have Link in power armor goinf through space dungeons and fighting aliums
>Ruto swimming toward Link with the bedroom eyes saying he's her soul mate, only flip the genders
Other than that a good example of this in the Zelda series itself is how Groose comes on way too strong to Zelda in SS. He initially gets portrayed as a fool with zero chance.
Sweden isn't a real country anymore. It isn't hatred, it's pity.
Since you faggots got your shit jacked in 1721, you've been a Russian theme park, existing solely on the sufferance of better men (see: Everyone.)
The ONLY claim to legitimacy that Sweden has is that someone who lived there invented something important and felt so bad about it that he didn't invest the money into anything useful.
I can read Japanese and while the writing is horribly blurred, I see nothing that suggests a debunking, little sister or anything other than link imagined as a girl.
The rough gameplay of every Zelda game follows the same formula.
The only thing that changes are two overarching things:
Story: The Motivation for each hero tends to be different.
Gimmick: The central Gimmick of the game.
Let's take for instance female link.
How does this affect story? Zelda and Link never have a romantic relationship (exception Skyward Sword at the beginning; supposedly Phantom hourglass and Spirit Tracks).
There is never a justification for a male link only either.
Demise's curse merely curses those with the spirit of the hero and the blood of the godess, never specifically male link and female zelda.
What changes in the story is mostly what changes with every LoZ. How Link integrates into the culture of his respective village.
How could this affect the central Gimmick? Anywhere from not at all to very much. Skyward Sword used its swordplay and motion controls as its central gimmick etc and that was independant of link entirely.
At most what could spring directly from link having a different gender:
>Gameplay shifting between Zelda and Link with different item interaction between the two.
>Gameplay with emotions (See: Super Princess Peach) haha, no.
I dunno, I'm a dude, and I love Ruto. But she seemed a little rapey at that moment. Little creepy that she more or less told Link "We're engaged now!" without him having a clue what that means.
Oh sure, it's probably a little rapey. But there's a double standard where it's more socially acceptable for a female to do something like that.
I'm sorry I missed it too. I never watched Darkstalker's.
When there's a female character who fully embraces her femininity and sexuality, and it's an important part of her character:
>OMG its like her entire character is just "being a girl" how dare they
When a long-running character, established for decades to be male, ISN'T turned into a female FOR NO FUCKING REASON
>OMG him being female would add some much needed life & character
I guess these people are just never happy with anything
Because male artists drew them so hot that they'd get turned on by them, and they impose this on the characters themselves, somehow making a character look like it's just as attracted TO ITSELF as the artist is to it.
What the fuck are you talking about?
Presumably, Link is confused or embarrassed after waking up with a voluptuous female figure, resulting in an expression of discomfort.
when hot anime babes try desperately to cover their wide birthing hips and large swolen breasts it only draws attention to said wide hips and large breasts.
just like how a girl barely wearing anything is hotter than a girl who is completely naked, your mind fills in the blanks and the curiosity is boner fuel
>implying that literally the only reason that OP, and all his supporters, want Link to be famale ISN'T just so they have a new waifu to fap to
Why can't Link be spooky skellyman?
>That whole example of the young black girls not wanting black dolls because they only thought of white girl dolls as pretty.
That's not just with children and dolls. It's with people and, well, people. Not all races have an equal amount of aesthetically appealing people.
Because is fucking promise you at least half the Zelda fanbase would complain about how it sucks and that Nintendo should just go back to making a Link to the Past. THEN they'll bitch about how Nintendo never tries anything new.
For clarity, gender =/= sex. Gender is social/cultural and sex is biological.
I hate these tumblr tranny fags as much as the next not mentally ill person but if you're going to argue against one at least be correct.
Gender is sex, except for some mentally confused people who think they are the opposite sex. The distinction is meaningless, especially when no distinct property can be given to those of a particular gender that is true of all members of that gender - somebody will always say "not all men/women do that".
>For clarity, gender =/= sex. Gender is social/cultural and sex is biological.
Except the distinction existed long before these faggots decided that they wanted to cry about having a penis.
Gender was and is used as a sociology term. Shit like how advertisements are designed to appeal to the ideal gender of each sex for maximum appeal.
It's not about the game, it never was, it's about the franchise.
Changing Link into a girl will not change the game in the slightest. Nor would it really alter the fluff, aside from the fact that, golly gee whiz, a female Link has existed.
The franchise, however, is aimed at a certain audience. Changing Link into a girl will not be well received by its main audience, and will not attract substantial new fans. Whatever other George Lucas style justification Nintendo would like to come up with, it boils down to the fact that the company believes it will lose them money. If they did not, they would do it by now.
Once they believe enough girls play LoZ, there will be a female Link.
So what, 'gender' is 'sex' in sociological terms? It's still very common and standard to say 'gender' to mean a person's sex, there is absolutely no reason to abide by sociological definitions in an ordinary conversation.
>the way her hair just flicks around
it's like a cat's tail and i want to stroke it.
I know know plenty of girls who love Zelda so im sure theres a market. but they would probably still prefer their bishie link that they can fawn over and write BL fanficiton about.
But what makes a female or male toy? What are the generic ones? Like cars and dolls?
Do young boys tend to go for toys that give them control of the physical world around them, while young girls go for toys that give them control over other creatures?
>know know plenty of girls who love Zelda so im sure theres a market
2. Nintendo probably has more insight in its own market than you
3. True. Creepy, but true. In all honesty, they'd probably want Zelda to be a boy and have the game have gay undertones
Because the faggots who draw and consume this shit are pathetic and instantly threatened by the slightest hint of confidence from a female. They need their girls to be docile and submissive, and are responsible for fuck-all femdom hentai. Fuck those faggots.
>im sure theres a market.
Of course there's a market. You could pull lint from your belly button, and I'd wager money that you could, in fact, find a market for that, too.
It's the question of whether or not it's a worthwhile market, and more importantly, a market worth the risk of alienating your existing market.
Then just say sex instead of gender and you'll have no problems.
No shit, son. Everyone's well aware of possible hormonal and genetic effects on infant decision making. The gender part comes in the fact that the toys are designed to appeal to the boys or girls based on this.
Means being a masculine figure. Someone who works hard labor will be considered "more of a man" than a NEET on his computer. The term 'tomboy' exists because it describes a female who has less feminine personality traits and more masculine.
In the link video below. It wasn't toys though, 1 day old babies were shown a mechanical object and a face, and the researchers recorded how long the babies looked at each object. There's more experiments earlier in the video, which were done on older children using only toys, IIRC (I watched that video a few months ago)
http://vimeo.com/19707588 (roughly 22 minutes in)
>Also are you saying being a tomboy makes you a man?
Try reading again.
If I say 60 is higher than 50 would you think I was saying 60 = 70?
So if the appeal is such a binary term as 'sex' then where do cases were the male chose the girly toys or the female chose the manly toys come from in the study?
> It would also breath a bit of life into the crusty old series.
>"HEY LOOK, IT'S THE SAME GAMEPLAY IN EVERY OTHER ZELDA.....BUT WITH A FEMALE LINK!"
>"HEY LOOK, IT'S THE SAME PUZZLES....BUT WITH A FEMALE LINK!"
>"HEY LOOK, IT'S THE SAME STORY AND CHARACTERS....BUT WITH A FEMALE LINK!"
>10/10 -IGN "Breath of fresh air into this dead series, but why can't we play as transgendered?
> No - Kotaku "Nintendo is sexist against genders? Read more after the break"
>Tumblr faggots and SJW's
>"Why does she grunt in pain when she's hit!? Fucking sexist pigs, real women don't make noises when hurt."
Yeah how about no.
Link can't be a girl or else you won't be posting this on this very day! And I wouldn't be here sitting down, scrolling through /v/ and commenting on this thread. That's why Link can't be a girl.
>Girls who love Zelda
Loving the setting isn't enough. You need people who buy the games. And aside from mobile phones and other shovelware, people who buy games are still abundantly male.
Males who prefer their Link to be a male they can easily self insert into.
WHAT THE FUCK
i thought link was already a girl
you mean whole this time i was playing with link as a boy wtf
are you serious ?
my god i am gonna cry now
Link has no dialogue, and each incarnation of Link is a different one. If one was suddenly a girl, literally nobody would treat her differently than they would male link.
If Zelda didn't react to the Hero of Hyrule being a fucking wolf, she's not going to react to something as simple as Link being a girl.
Serious question: why do people say that Link's gender doesn't matter and yet half-jokingly call OoT, TP and both Oracle games Link's harem? It does matter when it comes to interraction with female NPCs. I don't believe that many people would have been comfortable to play as female Link if they gave her several possible hansome male love interests. And nope, there won't be any yuri option.
Because Link and Zelda make offspring which is a major point in the timeline.
>why cant superman be a woman
>why cant thor be black
holy shit america stop with this ism shit
>why cant superman be a woman
>why cant thor be black
Man i feel you. I don't know what everyone's obsession is with making sure everything is either some sort of brown or has tits now, but holy shit just give it a rest.
Because white dudes are fucking boring, man. Like what is wrong with just changing them, it'd offer new values, new perspectives, new social theming beyond "hunk white guy falls in love with lithe white chick let's save the world". Like say what you will about Hancock, but at least it was different. I'd take innovation over same old shit any day
Yes. It wasn't that good and it suffered from a lot of tropey typical crock, but it managed to do that and at the same time be somewhat unique by making the hero a poor black dude. It added a new facet that we don't get very often, if at all. Imagine that but also good writing and I think all these ethnicity/gender whatever changes can be a very good thing for the quality of entertainment.