Do you /v/irulents prefer steampunk or cyberpunk in your games?
I like cyberpunk more personally since it comes with some societal conflicts typically.
Steampunk is nice to look at, but typically doesn't offer much more than, "People are posh and fancy."
Cyberpunk typically comes with tons of rebellion, questionable augmentations, grungy streets, crazy underground black markets, and other stuff that provides for more interesting narratives.
If we were to talk about simply which we like appearance-wise then I'd still probably say cyberpunk. It's always more interesting to see what a clash of future punk can create. Steampunk always just seems to be the same technology the world has, but more complicated and filled with steam/gears. It's always this very "normal" technology like guns or trains but done up in this insanely stupid fashion that makes you wonder how it is efficient. Cyberpunk allows for crazy technology to wonder how it even works.
>literally just a silly aesthetic. Doesn't have any thematic elements. Isn't practical in real life.
>Has a wide range of aesthetics, but always has distopian and noir thematic elements. A product of the postmodern age and fear of the future. The future is very likely to look something like this
I love both, but for different reasons.
>Logical speculations on how things could be
>Alternate interpretations to how things could have been
That being said, there is a severe lack of quality steampunk games. I'd like to see more of that, solely because it seems like a more difficult medium to actually pull off without being overly contrived. Which ultimately is the problem with steampunk as a whole, because you have to be clever in its application as opposed to cyberpunk, in which technology can be used as a catch-all for anything that has the slightest thematic incongruity.
Nigga if you got a robot arm with is it over top of your clothes?
>tons of rebellion, questionable augmentations, grungy streets, crazy underground black markets, and other stuff that provides for more interesting narratives.
Steampunk could provide the same outlets. There is very little narrative difference between cyberpunk and steampunk beyond appearances and eras.
I prefer clockwork over steampunk.
For games, cyberpunk tends to have better games than steampunk. A lot of cyberpunk is about the setting, while a lot of steampunk is about the aesthetics. While steampunk can be interesting to look at, cyberpunk can be interesting to interact with.
Steampunk's interesting but it's the fedora of settings.
Cyberpunk could also be considered that, but at least it has a bunch of decent games under it's belt and has more concepts than "brass pipes and airships"
>Cracks jokes that Steampunk is entirely filled with people wearing gears for accesories.
>"Clothing and accessories actually look like they serve a functional purpose"
>Every fucking cyberpunk game has hexagons and people wearing fucking hexagons.
Yeah, sure thing you fucking faggot.
Does Tron count as cyberpunk?
If so, then I'll go with cyberpunk. I'm into those sleek neon designs.
But not that neo-cyberpunk bullshit with the girls who look like they are covered in spraypaint with mohawks and that skrillex haircut.
"now" is the past, so the future is in the past, which means that the past is now and the future will be and past's past's now is a future untold to be a past unfolded and a now unmolded.
Tron would be more of the cyberspace in the cyberpunk universe.
Legend of Korra
Its a futurized setting of WW2 where robots, tanks and the architecture is all based on that era.
Not that guy, and I don't have an example, but dieselpunk has a much heavier focus on heavy, thick machinery. Think like Armored Core kind of machinery, not that AC is diesel punk.
Is there any Steampunk that deals with the lower classes a hyper-Industrial-Revolution would bring with it?
The kind of people who wouldn't have pipes and gears growing out of their arms and would probably piss on some toff who did if they got the chance.
>steampunk is for anime neckbeards. Cyberpunk is what the future will actually look like.
Both are pretty fedora tier, steampunk is *tips top hat* and cyberpunk is *tips trenchcoat*
the neck ports in Ghost in the shell are hexagons.
Hexagons generally show up on the bodies of cyborgs in areas that are mechanical but are trying to appear merged with the flesh.
Well.. there is no decent steampunk. it's all just "lel everything made out of brass and copper and golden plates" without any sort of functionality let a lone actual steam. It's ages that I've seen proper steam punk.
So I prefer cyberpunk. at least that shit usually makes sense
In terms of Fans cyberpunk also wins out. Steampunk fans are almost as bad as sanic fans
GEARS FOR NO FUCKING REASON
VALVES FOR NO FUCKING REASON
PIPES EVERYWHERE FOR NO FUCKING REASON
THOSE FUCKING LIGHTBULBS
Cyberpunk by a mile because it does not get butchered like this.
We need more Atompunk games that isn't just fucking Fallout and set in a post-apocalyptic world.
A game set in a booming metropolis with 60's fashion and accessories.
I remember seeing young adult novel where it was basically WWI but the Axis powers had giant desielpunk mecha-tanks and zeppelins, while the Allies had giant genetically modified biopunk animals.
I'm not exactly disagreeing with you but I always considered it a pulp adventure, the steampunk moniker seems unnecessary.
This might come from not really being sure what steampunk is supposed to mean. I mean if someone asks what cyberpunk is I can just tell them to read Snow Crash.
It seams like the majority of people who use steampunk aesthetics don't even know how the technology behind steam works which is what's interesting about steam technology in the first fucking place. You establish a society that has mastered the art of steam engineering to the point where using an alternative source of energy would be pointless. Most modern steampunk stories are just fucking MUH COGS, and MUH GOGGLES autism bullshit.
I like them both. Cyberpunk hasn't been something i've seen good examples of since the 80s, but i'd be happy to have anons show me good examples that are out right now.
Steampunk had Arcanum, and while Arcanum was a fucking mess it still made me happy to know I could buld the world's most badass revolver out of spiders and what were presumably old lampshades.
Oh shit, you're talking about Leviathan. That was a pretty decent series, kudos for the author making a reverse trap a main character.
Reverse traps are my fetish.
>cyberfantasy and run everything off elephant sperm.
It would be set in a fantasy world, of course they could make everything run with elephant sperm if they wanted it to
And cyberfantasy already exists
The entire idea of steam punk is based on "retro-futuristic" where artists of the time period drew what they thought future tech looked like.
It was interesting to see all the shit they came up with, including inventions that actually happened but with staunch differences
For example, a lot of early 19th interpretations are incredibly stylistic and garnished with engravings and other details accustom to quality products of the era (Like how that league of extraordinary gentlemen movie made the Nautilus, a hypothetical submarine look like a damn temple with garnishments both inside and outside of the vessel).
Or like how post industrial era interpretation of space ships and flying cares all looked like chrom covered buggies that oozed with the style of automobiles at the time.
Steam punk is simply the an idea that the British industrial revolution never stopped and for whatever reason electricity was never discovered, so automaton shit just advanced.
Dragon Commander did Steampunk right.
Too bad the game was plain average and completely forgettable.
I prefer diesel punk.
I like my fantasy genres dirty and deserty.
Are there any diesel punk games? Only ones i can think of is TF2, which is very very loosely diesel, less so now than it was, and Borderlands which is garbage.
You know that most of all energy that we use right now comes from steam?
Fossil fuels, nuclear energy, solar energy... All the electricity is generated by using the heat to turn water into steam and run the steam towards turbines, that generate electricity.
In the future we will still use steam in power plants.
I knew /v/ was shit, but are you guys fucking serious?
So we're all living in a Steampunk world right now? Good to know now we can drop this shitty genre and move onto something that's actually interesting.
That doesn't necessarily have to be the case, though. The 19th Century was a time of huge social change, and there's a whole slew of issues you can dig into there, like industrialization, racism, classism, nationalism and religion vs secularism. Arcanum does a pretty handy job of that, but the social conflicts aren't at the forefront. I think it's a testament to the shallowness of steampunk authors/artists that they make such an interesting time in history so fucking boring.
>Get book at library along with a couple of others
>Read shitty Jewish circle jerk book(As in actual book about the religion), shitty book about hobos in Venice, and a passable book about WWII London
>Two weeks pass, have to turn them in
>Never pick it up again
>Now too old to read YA novels
Steampunk is pretty cool if done right, Arcanum is personally one of my favourite games.
I think that's what frustrates me so much about steampunk, and its lack of authenticity. I'm a total history nerd for the history of the past 150~ years, that whole era is infinitely interesting to me. There's so much shit that can be covered there, plots and conflicts can be basically spoonfed to steampunk authors/artists.
Instead, we just hear about the aesthetics and don't actually dip into what makes that very world seem alive.
Why does Abraham Lincoln need a minigun? In order to fight off the Confederate airships that are airdropping piston slaver mechs in the middle of Washington DC during the Civil War.
Ok how about this
Its a game and it has three-no four factions all vying for control or some shit
You got steampunk, cyberpunk, dieselpunk and atompunk all duking it out with desertpunks as neutral raiders scattered around fucking shit up
This. I remember being hyped for Bioshock Infinite hoping that we could have the same cool gameplay with a background of racial conflict and big stick politics. Instead we got some pretentious gabbley gook about alternate universes and stuff.
I've actually thought about it for a long time. I have ideas that I've been thinking on for the past decade or so, since I've started doing college.
Eventually I might, although the fantasy/steampunk audience seems like a very niche one.
Welcome to rage.
Steampunk is fine if it doesn't take itself to seriously.
>Its a punk game and it has threepunk-no fourpunk factions all punkvying for punktrol or some punk. you got punkpunk, punkpunk, and atompunkpunk all punking it out with punks as neutral punks scattered around pucking punk up
Why does steam punk use gears when pistons and valves are more related to steam powered shit.
Cogs would be clockwork things, Automatons and such that are powered through being wound up.
What have you got against Aaron Dinoshark Diaz?
Incidentally, I've been weighing the same idea as well for quite a while. If you feel like collaborating or doing some brainstorming, send me an e-mail at feuerzeuge at hotmail dot com.
Jesus, moot, why did you remove emails?
Nah, Seapunk is more of an offshoot of Vaporwave so bioshock would need some early internet/old graphics and vapid color aesthetic. Seapunk/vaporwave is more of a romanticized image of the early internet aethetics, they don't have anything to do with a certain image or theme other than the general look.
E.Y.E is cyber punk with I guess neo-gothic elements or something like that
The tech is advanced, it's just the armor is designed to look knight armor and and samurai shit.
It's one of those weird stylistic choices that scramble up the sub-genre, Like how Chronicals of Riddick featured the Necomongers and their gothic church like ships that were covered with Renaissance looking statues and such.
If Seapunk is just shitty fashion how does it work in a setting? Is it a setting where everyone lives on the internet and Vaporware Aesthetics are how people dress?
It doesn't really make sense.
Steampunk. I simply feel as if it hasn't been explored enough. I would love to see an open world game bassed around it. It's a shame that The Order is looking to be shit. I really like that setting but that won't get me to buy a game that just looks horrible.
Vaporware is just a music genre that also flaunts an image that goes with the song and falls under the idea that it's futuristic elevator music.
It's just Oneohtrix Point never and Lady Gagas make up artists being really fucking board.
Steampunk is shit. The only good thing to come out of it was the Difference Engine. That's it. The vast majority of Steampunks fanbase and even the people who create Steampunk media are obsessed with the exagerrated visual nature of it and nothing else. It's all style and no substance.
Whatever that weird future style they had in alien is my favorite kind of punk. That weird blocky/bulky technology stuff.
"Low-fi sci-fi" I think?
Nah, Vaporawave tries very thinly to pass itself off as anti-capitalistic neo 80s shit while simultaneously embracing it, it also has this imagery set that sort of mocks those 80s/early internet aesthetics. Seapunk is just a fashion style that recently has tried to become it's own thing actual thing.
Is there a middle ground between the two? Something like, I dunno, modernpunk? Fuck I don't know, just a middle ground that doesn't look like a 90's scifi anime or a renfair disaster.
I had an idea for a steampunk story about a janitor who has to hose down the analytical engine after some idiot gets their hand caught in it but it never really went anywhere.
I just thought about how in steampunk it's always about Sir this or Esquire that and nobody ever addresses the filthy underclasses who would still have shitty lives while the nobles take their dirigible to the clockwork horse races.
I'm trying to read through that book right now and it's so fucking plodding and boring so far. The authors make damn sure to describe the material and aesthetics of every fucking thing in the room but forgot to give the characters any depth or interesting characteristics.
That sorta runs counter to the point the story would make, namely that no matter how cool and awesome it is for the upper crust the little people still get shit on constantly.
Even today it sucks to be poor, but at least contemporary poorfags have refrigerators and the Internet and such. Being poor in the 19th century was far shittier, and that's something that steampunk seems to just gloss the fuck over in favor of TOP HATS WITH COGS AND GEARS ON THEM BY CRIKEY
Good steampunk would be "what if Babbage built his shit and Brunel's ideas didn't crash against the technological limitations of his era"
For fuck's sake just imagine how different the world would be if we had analog computers and atmospheric railways back in the day.
>without the cool aesthetic
nigga you just used to the cool shit.
pendrives are slick as fuck compared to 80's floppys.
hell, floppies are cool too.
you mean the wall-e universe?
Well quality products in industrial era had some effort put in to them.
the first cash registers were made of good materials an embellished with artwork and shit on the inside.
near future technology based on current trends and experimental innovations
the same technology we have now but run on outdated, flawed, or inefficient methods.
cyber punk is WAY more interesting.
>cyber punk, what if technology changed the world as we know it
>steam punk, what if technology ran on steam
its not even a fuckin contest.steampunks one redeeming quality is its ability to integrate magic somewhat convincingly and thetouch of victorian designs that has pretty much dominated the setting. then again deus ex HR has shown us that cyber punk itself can also integrate other designs (the Renascence) quite effectively.
I like the setting before cyberpunk. Where corporations haven't quite taken over everything but still have mercs and tremendous power.
I'm actually writing a design document for a game like that. Where different coalitions of companies fight each other. I took some inspiration from the Trade Wars of WoW, and Continuum.
>>steam punk, what if technology ran on steam
it's more like
>cyber punk, what if technology changed the world as we know it
>steam punk, what if technology changed the world as we knew it.
Steam Punk would be a world where the steam engine had a longer run, where somewhere a long the line the men who paved the way for electric power were stopped in their tracks or electricity itself was outlawed.
No, no, no. That's not how it actually happens. Cyberpunk still tends to be cookie-cutter but at least it tries new shit, aesthetically speaking.
Most steampunk is literally "what if modern technology was available back in the day only it ran on steam instead of computers." It's dogshit.
>>steam punk, what if technology ran on steam
That's not how it should be at all, and anyone who writes it like that is a hack. Just substituting the same technology with one covered in gears and brass tubes is utter shite.
It should be what kind of present we would live in if the world still operated entirely on steam and the logical innovations regarding it.
For whatever reason Steampunk got big, and it lost its core values and meaning.
Nobody really knows what the fuck Steampunk is anymore. Doesn't stop me from liking this music though.
>what if modern technology was available back in the day only it ran on steam instead of computers
that's how hacks do it. I could say the same.
>cyberpunk is just "what if our present technology suddenly could do everything.
the steam engine had a pretty shit run as it is, the engines were a son of a bitch to maintain and their size / weight to power ratio was horrible. you had make massive heavy complicated engines, supply them with coal and water, fuss over their every little problem, and at the end of the day what did you have?
Anyone can make Xpunk. X being whatever they want. Punk just means a radical change in society usually related to X.
Magepunk would assumed be where magic and mages make an appearance and run the society, changing technology and everything towards magic.
But see, If we were stuck with shit for a while you'd at least see some improvements with time.
good steam punk should at least try to appear as if people improved upon the steam engine.
As another anon said, once it became mainstream it lost any resemblance as to what it actually meant to be punk, and how in this modern day and age, the punk lifestyle just isn't viable
This. I like when it's done with subtlety, like in Trails in the Sky (via orbments) and Skies of Arcadia.
FFXII just had sky pirates and Star Wars, but it was really fantastic to look at all around.
Wachenroder is an SRPG for the Sega Saturn.
Japanese only, but it's all translated online, so read that along with it.
Renge Murata does the character designs, if that's your thing, and overall it's really a fantastic game.
Mind if I ask what game that is? Like, I can read the file name, but if there's a better way to Google it that doesn't give me what looks like unrelated results, I'd love to know.
Magic and technology don't mix well in shadowrun and the appeareance of magic arguably caused more impact than technological advancement, this makes me question is there any setting where magic and technology actually do mix well?
>Just another buzzword to hate something without actually knowing why you hate it?
Yes, exactly. That's what it's degraded to. A fedora is a hat worn by someone you disagree with and have disdain for.
60s would be great.
If anything, I felt that 1950s Vegas made great sense of the atomic boom setting, as Vegas was actually really balls deep into using the Nevada test site as a tourist spot.
>born too late to discover new lands
>born too soon for space travel
>born too soon for cyberpunk
We are almost there but not in this lifespan. If only we were born 3 generations further.
Actually a hyper industrial revolution, much like the real world industrial revolution, would bring the commom man up relative to the prior feudal society, that's where the conflict comes from.
The only thing (and it's a BIG thing), but the ONLY thing wrong with Steampunk is that it doesn't have a work to root itself in. It's all aesthetic with no core. It needs its Lord of the Rings. It needs its Blade Runner.
Around the World in 80 Days and Fullmetal Alchemist come close but they're not quite there.
yeah steam turbines are fucking gigantic power generators, set up in permenent stations were their every whim can be catered to without worry about size or weight. wow you sure showed me, im sure my local coal plant would blast off into space if it was so laden with steel and concrete.
steam engines are used for electricity and nothing more, because their size / weight to power ratio is SHIT and steam turbines as power generators only PROVES MY POINT.
It's basically mocking people that wear fedoras for their beliefs and behaviors.
Tumblr uses is to described people they think are chauvinists or MRA as being overweight men with pony tails.
Christfags use it to refer to people who look like the aforementioned people who are atheists and claim superiority simply by being atheists.
4chan typically uses it for the Christfag reason or to make fun of autistic people with bad tastes in media who also wear fedora, are over or under wright and have bad fashion sense.
Whether or not these variations of the term represent a single demographic is up to debate.
Sending special missions of 2-5 people in interval of several years isn't space travel age. Talking about mining operations, space truckers, shitty colonies over the galaxy, that kind of thing.
I always saw a fedora as the kind of individual who would put on 'refined' airs and mannerisms despite being dumb as shit and not knowing dick about what makes someone cultured -aslo pretending to be gentlemanly despite being a beta sack of shit.
>Talking about mining operations, space truckers, shitty colonies over the galaxy, that kind of thing.
>you will never travel the galaxy
>you will never work on a giant terraforming facility on LV-426
>you will never take a xenomorph for a wife
It would have to be very defining, fantasy wasn't very popular before LOTR and same with Blade Runner.
Both of those paved the way for the genres. Steampunk fans can't agree on shit about their genre though.
Punk is used in this context to show radical changes in society.
Everything is powered by steam
Everything is powered by disel
Technology has taken over more than it has today
I'm generalizing a lot, but hopefully you get the point.
He might be cosplaying as V, not anonymous.
I will never understand why people can't get passed the whole chanology bullshit, It was an OK movie that inspired a bunch of faggots to adopt it as an anonymous image just because the civilian uprising was such a great scene and relevant to how how some faggots thought anonymous would become.
Cyberpunk is about being a punk and rebelling against oppression and authority. That's the main theme.
The others have "punk" in their name because people are stupid and think "punk" means genre or some stupid shit like the people who think image macro = meme.
Not enough world-building. Every franchise that attracts a following has a strong foundation of world-building, because you can imagine yourself in that world.
The current scope of Steampunk is world-building with all of the building but no world, if that makes any sense. People who walk around wearing brass gears and 19th century clothing are trying to define a what-if scenario with no meaning. A Stormtrooper is a Stormtrooper. A person wearing gears is just a random person wearing gears, which would be fine if Steampunk were defined as an eccentric fashion style, but its "punk" name puts it on the same pedestal as Cyberpunk, Sci-Fi and Fantasy which already have a firm canon.
I'm rambling a bit but I think this is essentially what is annoying about the current state of Steampunk.
I think it only makes sense for cyberpunk. Since they are literally punks, an entire social caste that is constantly fighting the oppression generated by the rapidly expansion of technology and corporation control over society.
Steampunk and Diseal Punk should be changed to Retro-Futuristic, with Victiran Industrial, Deco and Atomic Age being divided amongst the term.
Technically cyber punk will be Retro-futuristic once body modes become mainstream
Have fun with your space travel or whatever faggot. I'll be too busy fucking the shit out of my CyberWaifu 3000 to care.
Nah that's just an issue authors who excel in settings have when they fail to make interesting characters.
It's like how lovecraft stories all might as well have the same depressed main character.
I don't think i follow your grudge. I think i made a fair point because diesel and steampunk have no inner conflict related to the theme that creates some conflict in society. I see no reason for the word punk. It simply doesn't work for them. In cyberpunk, it fits perfectly.
"-punk" became the go-to suffix for "like the real world only with _____"
Hence you have idiotic concepts like "stonepunk" and "clockpunk." Fuck, I saw someone on /tg/ making an RPG he dubbed "kidpunk," where the world worked on little kids' game rules (e.g. the floor is actually lava). While it sounds like a neat idea I find the label distasteful.
>everyone is unemployed and poor as shit because no jobs but the ones robots took
>everyone lives in homeless camps raping the sex robot they all pitched in to buy
>birth rates plummeting, but never fear because we're all clones anyways
origin of steam-punk
Enclosed is a copy of my 1979 novel Morlock Night; I'd appreciate your being so good as to route it Faren Miller, as it's a prime piece of evidence in the great debate as to who in "the Powers/Blaylock/Jeter fantasy triumvirate" was writing in the "gonzo-historical manner" first. Though of course, I did find her review in the March Locus to be quite flattering.
Personally, I think Victorian fantasies are going to be the next big thing, as long as we can come up with a fitting collective term for Powers, Blaylock and myself. Something based on the appropriate technology of the era; like 'steam-punks', perhaps.
This book is the only piece of Steampunk media to execute its themes properly. The implications of advanced Steam techs affect on Victorian era society, over-industrialization, luddites, corruption, rebellion, etc. It's as close as you're going to get to LotR in this genre especially considering it has degraded into LOL COGS AND SHIT lately.
You can generate conflict at any setting. Your examples are very generic. But that's the point, because "punk" is a subversive culture. Steampunks and Dieselpunks, as far as i know, doesn't inherently generate this. It's not inherent to them. So the term fits only to cyberpunk.
Don't worry Anon, you'll probably survive to the early cyberpunk era, where you can become a generation 1 immortal cyborg that is the equivalent of a head in a jar...If you're lucky.
Do we get to look like pic related?
I want to look like pic related.
In and of themselves I like both. I typically like cyberpunk games better because they explore complex themes like globalization, individuality, amorality, and what it means to be human. Steampunk games often leave it at look at this cool mechanical shit now go kill that evil governor something something industrial revolution imperialism.
Exactly. If you were to ask the people dressing up in all this Steampunk fashion when the Victorian era happened they would have no clue what the fuck you were talking about. People who claim they love Steampunk far far FAR more often than not just like the over the top style of dress and think it looks cool. That's it. Everyone knows what Cyberpunk is as a whole, only a few people get what Steampunk is actually supposed to be outside the fashion aspect.
Words can have multiple meanings, you fat fuck. You're just being an asshole by using one literal definition of the word when you know everyone else is talking about a different meaning.
It really is. I love how the author describes things, he's fantastic with words. The whole book is a joy to read from start to finish, even if you have no interest in Cyberpunk.
>guy asks about suffix
>discuss the suffix
>a faggot comes in throwing insults around and screaming about ignoring the meaning of the suffix
Fuck you and stop projecting. There are many discussions happening, go discuss shit that interests you.
Shame about the book. The writer/artist takes about a year to finish and release each issue. Its only had 4 issues so far. The art is really nice and the main character is always switching her her clothes.
I've only played one game that could be called steampunk and that was Arcanum. I don't even know of any others. I see more people talk about steampunk than I ever actually see steampunk media.
It just doesn't seem anywhere near a fleshed out subgenre like cyberpunk is which might be why there's always arguments over what it is and isn't.
>Play videogames, drink beer, eat junkfood all goddamn day every day being a useless piece of shit
>Covered in your own piss, shit and vomit
>Haven't showered for months, haven't even changed clothes in months
>Forgot the last time you went outside and actually saw the sun
>Supermodel Waifubot comes home and has to fuck you because it has no free will
Future is so bright I gotta wear shades.
He's obviously never talked to a human being either, or had sex
I love cyberpunk, from the tangible sleek, dirty almost-future of the 22nd century, to the aesthetics of old-school Ghost in the Shell style greenscreen computer monitors and clack-clack keyboards.
I just think it's an endlessly compelling and cool setting.
As for steampunk I've not seen much of it, but what I have seen looks kind of faggy.
Steampunk is usually pointless. Like, "what are all these gears and valves for? Wouldn't it make more sense just to have a regular pair of pants?" Cyberpunk is generally more speculative so it gets a bit more of a free pass, but in general I think that cyberpunk tends to make more sense from a design philosophy.
What's really underrated is dieselpunk. It's more streamlined and efficient than steampunk, but it's still got plenty of retro charm. It's also a lot more difficult to design than steampunk, since you have to at least pretend to think like a real engineer instead of just slapping brass gears and steam gauges onto something until it looks like a big non-functional mechanical mess-- and that's probably why all the lazy designers out there go for steampunk and try to avoid dieselpunk.
In fact let's talk about the game that not only got me in to steampunk but also did steampunk right and was actually a good game.
>>Tumblr uses is to described people they think are chauvinists or MRA as being overweight men with pony tails.
>Christfags use it to refer to people who look like the aforementioned people who are atheists and claim superiority simply by being atheists.
>4chan typically uses it for the Christfag reason or to make fun of autistic people with bad tastes in media who also wear fedora, are over or under wright and have bad fashion sense.
All of these translate directly into
Fedora (Adjective): Something I don't like.
Doge guard and walkers forever.
Fuck your infinite clockwork men.
And steampunk has shit like this bad boy.
I am on the last mission of Human Revolution and whole shit this game has been nothing but yellow. The game does a lot of things better than the original but sadly the soundtrack sucks balls.
cyberpunk is typically dystopian and focuses on moral issues that arise due to the technology present at the time, so usually just speculative fiction about conflicts between society and the technology it struggles to cope with
science fiction can be all of that but cyberpunk needs its own genre to be special
Bioshock. I don't know why nobody said that yet. Unless they think it was steampunk which is wrong.
Team Fortress 2 used to be.
Fallout has a tiny bit of dieselpunk but it's mostly atompunk.
Koreas cool but holy shit this show is huge, why can't they just animate they cg shit by hand? It so jarring to have these high res cg models move in 60 frames or whatever and have the rest of the animation run at a seemingly 20 fps. Fuck man.
>steampunk or cyberpunk
Cyberpunk, because only creepy overweight middle-aged couples like steampunk
>But because atompunks have nukes and spacetier technology
Steampunk could have steam bombs, atompunk could have nukes and space suits or whatever
cyberpunk is harder because you see things like hacking and viruses to destroy each other, and you can't bluescreen another faction if they don't have computers.
Well Dieselpunk also has an art deco atheistic to it while tech is based on using diesel. Comparatively Steampunk features a victorian atheistic. For example the first two Bioshocks could be confided Dieselpunk/decopunk while Infinite could be considered Steampunk. Frankly all of it need to be divided into Retropunk and Futurepunk to help keep shit concise.
Also to weigh in the question Cyberpunk has Deus Ex and System shock while Steampunk has Arcanum and Thief games so point to Cyberpunk. But I do prefer Steampunk, just whish it was fleshed out more like Cyberpunk stuff.
I guess just modern noir, or 80s noir, like wolf among us or something of the sort. I don't think we are at cyberpunk yet because there's no biological augmentations or flying cars or floating cities or massive amazing spider man touchscreens or that shit
can never have enough neon
Okay imagine if steampunk had things like automatons that ran on difference engines, or floating cities that used steam jets to stay afloat. Then make it like cyberpunk where all of theses are owned by private enterprises, so families get rich while the laboring masses slave away in hope of a better future.
That would make a legitimately fascinating plot. The world runs on brass and pure capitalism, and eventually the working poor decide to start a revolution. You play as a young character in the (tiny) middle class, torn between a revolutionary best friend and a daughter of a rich capitalist.
I would pay for a game like that.
Steampunk didn't get big it just got notoriety then began to stagnate. Kinda like 4chan if some are to be believed. It it did get big then there would be more steampunk themed, everything. It's unfortunate that the idea of "what if things ran on steam and electricity never got big" and then not really any values outside goggles, top hats, 'n gears gears GEARS. Unlike Cyberpunk which got the values and the closest to aesthetics it's got is metalboxes and hexagons.
Your right about the music though.
If a guy wearing a 19th century suit and top hat, but wasn't lincoln or any other historical figure, had a machine eye and a robot arm would that be too much for a good steampunk game?
If there was a fictional world that isn't far fetched like having unnecessarily complicated flying warships, but rather extensive use of something that already existed like steam technology and other forms of tech available at the time. Is that good steampunk?
Holy fuck I remember going to a live show to this as a kid. This isnt a movie screenshot its a set stage. Now that I think back on it. it would have been better without the corny jokes
Cyberpunk for life. Steampunk fucking shit.
Who Gibson here?
The special effect explosions seemed too real to me as a kid. When things blow up I felt the heat of it at the very back of the theatre. I think one actor died because of a explosion gone bad.
>you will never burn yourself out on stimulants as you watch the dystopian cyberpunk future become a reality
Steampunk settings like in Last Exile and Dark Cloud can be nice. They're comfy as fuck.
The thing is, the common reddit glue gears on it and call it steampunk powered giraffe bullshit is all they know from it. Half of 'steampunk X' objects don't even have a steam engine on them.
A place like that actually exists in China. Basically its a small independent territory within China free from its laws and drug enforcement officers. The territory is so small and so many people want to live in it that it became this packed mess where you can jump from one building complex to the other. Without laws the place is a safe haven for drug business. All they need now is some cyber tech and we would get a real life isolated city of cyber dystopia.
Bro, Kowloon was demolished years ago.
>doesn't know kowloon was demolished ages ago
Have some music, too.
If you haven't seen Serial Experiments Lain, go watch it.
Kowloon was never independent, it was always part of Hong Kong. It was just a very grotty, built up area. It was torn down about twenty years ago I think because it was just far too horrid.
>there will never be a biopunk game with with Dorohedoro-esque design
>there will never be a Dorohedoro game/anime
My fucking nigga.
There's some other good stuff out there, but Gibson takes the cake.
I love this set. She's such a qt, and it gives off such a great vibe.
>there are people on /v/, RIGHT NOW, who actually like steampunk
Pretty much any asian city at night feels fantastically cyberpunk. All that's missing is the black clinics, runners, and the tech.
Steampunk is a cooler idea but is always used horribly
I actually can't think of a single piece of media that hasn't been "BRONZE AND GEARS EVERYWHERE ALL THE TIME" with steampunk
Cyberpunk as a concept sounds boring but it's usually done pretty well
neuromancer and the rest of the sprawl trilogy and then the ridge trilogy and pick up burning chrome while you're at it
after ghost in the shell and akira you can pick up snow crash, it's really tacky and more of a tongue in cheek pop cultural mash up than anything else, but it's definitely enjoyable
Cyberpunk is pretty much always superior because it's inherently more realistic. Gibson predicted specifics aspects of medical tech that are becoming real today, not to mention the invention of the internet. It's just that we sit in front of screens instead of hallucinating it all.
Hong Kong used to be the worst airport in the world to land a big plane at. At the old Kai Tak airport there was only one runway, built out into the harbor, and to land you had to fly over the city and do a sharp turn just over the tops of the buildings. You were so low you could look into apartment windows.
They replaced it a while back, it's out on an island now.
People new to Gibson should pick up Burning Chrome first, and stick to the cyberpunk stories. His prose is so complex that it can be jarring, and it offsets the pace of Neuromancer.
Everyone is too serious in cyberpunk. It's like they're always in an advertisement for something. For example, I can't imagine anyone shitposting in a cyberpunk environment, or ever actually making a joke. At the most they'd "smile wryly" about something, or make a "cynical jibe".
if disney couldn't make it popular between all their verne-inspired movies like 20000 leagues, there's basically no hope for it.
Because cyberpunk is a grim dystopian version of the present. Used to be the future, but it's very much the present now.
You're not shitposting and joking much when you're a hustler on the streets of Chiba City.
>Nobody playing games feeling luckpunk
Sometimes the opposite is true
Like Ursula K. Le Guin. She's very character focused, but can also flesh out a fantasy world very well without breaking suspension of disbelief. At her worst, though, she writes characters that do nothing but whine or act smug; basically thinking without doing. The setting is revealed through the observations of these characters, and the work suffers because UKL thinks that I want to read about the retarded MC being bemused at structures, rituals, spectacles etc. and then passing them without further extrapolation. Fucking Always Coming Home, Solitude, and most of Paradises Lost
>Introduction by Cory Doctorow
That shitter again.
What sort of book of fiction requires an introduction anyway?
>I will never be able to wipe away my student loans, grab my servers and kit, and move to a big city
>I will never be able to take my gun collection with me because all the major cities have ridiculous laws
what, what if....okay just hear me out here.
What if in a Cyberpunk future there was a Steampunk subculture, who would customize all the functional cyber shit to look brassy and shoot steam.