It died personally when I lost almost all interest in games. I went from hardcore video gamer to casual.
I loved video games but I just can't do it. Maybe its because of this SJW uprising but I just don't care all too much about video games.
Who cares about what gender does what?
Majority of doctors and nurses are females.
Why isnt there some shit about the lack of male doctors?
WHY PUT ALL THIS TIME AND EFFORT TRYING TO BRING ATTENTION TO SOMETHING LIKE FUCKING VIDEO GAMES?!
THERES MUCH MORE FUCKING IMPORTANT THINGS THAT PEOPLE SHOULD PUT THIS EFFORT INTO!
Fucking video games?! Fucking seriously?
Holy shit talk about first world problems, god fucking damn.
>45% of players are women
>only 2% of them make games
>they blame everyone for that apart from other women
mobile games shouldn't count though
>This statistic only includes women who were the game director or lead designer
What. What about all the women who, you know, actually DO the designing not just the team leaders? Artists can be and are women. Writers can be and are women.
Fuck, whats even the source on that stat?
>But design 2% of the games
There is just about nothing stopping a woman from becoming successful in the gaming industry
It's not that the industry doesn't hire ladies, it's that ladies don't apply to the industry
why put effort into something when you can fake it? Most of these people I fucking noticed are just retards that got a degree in english or some useless degree, instead of a STEM or finance degree. So instead of fixing the solution, they cling onto something and show their degree has value, tumblr, video games, etc while waiting tables, or living off their trust funds.
>the future I chose
No, it isn't. I didn't choose to let a bunch of self-righteous feminazis that felt the need to invade MY hobby and suddenly claim that it's misogynistic because "Wow, these women didn't give a shit about video games until they realized that they could use it to further their cause", their cause, of course, being pushing their fucking agenda on every goddamn person on this planet.
I've been doing my best to ignore all of this garbage and simply enjoy video games, but this pandering shit is EVERYWHERE now. Everyone and their grandma is latching on to this "I'm a special, entitled snowflake and I need to represented properly in every medium!" mentality, and it's ruining fucking everything.
Equality is apparently only equal if you're forced to make design choices based on appealing to everyone. You're not allowed to make things that you want to make unless they appeal to EVERYONE who will ever play them.
Jesus Christ. People can call me a misogynist, insensitive, or whatever the fuck they want, but I'm going to teach my kids to stand up for themselves and not to back down to shit like this. I'm sure as hell not contributing to this bullshit.
/v/ has been supportive of this charity since the beginning of this debacle. Even when InternetAristocrat made the video he made the charity out to be innocent victims who only meant good.
YOU ALL REALIZE THAT THE ONLY REASON THESE WOMEN HAVE POWER IS BECAUSE YOU GIVE THEM ATTENTION.
IF MORE DESIGNERS SIAD "FUCK YOU, IT'S MY GAME, IF YOU DON'T LIKE IT DON'T BUY IT CUNT," AND IF MORE GAMERS STOPPED ODNATING TO, BITCHING ABOUT, AND CREATING MEDIA SHITSTORMS ABOUT SOCIAL JUSTICE WARRIORS TRYING TO WHORE FOR ATTENTION, IT WOULD GO AWAY, BECAUSE THEY WOULD SEE NO ONE IS PAYING ATTENTION.
SERIOUSLY, WOMEN ALWAYS COMPLAIN ABOUT MATH AND ENGINEERING, BUT THEY DON'T BLAME THE PRESENT INDUSTRY, BUT THE TRAINING SYSTEM. SERIOUSLY, WE NEED TO SICK THESE WALKING VAGINAS AND THEIR CASTRATED WHITE KNIGHT ON THE TRAINING SECTOR AND UNIVERSITY PROGRAMS, NOT THE COMPANIES.
What needs debunking? The facts are true. What they're leaving out is the platform which these women play on, which is the mobile platform, a different market from the market they're whining is oppresing them (lol)
In the mobile gaming market women are actively targeted as an audience.
Use that as an argument instead of 'but they're not REAL gamurz', it debunks the entire fallacy that the industry is inherently 'misogynystic'.
Gaming has always been a male-dominated hobby (and still is outside of the mobile and social gaming market), only recently with the popularity of mobile gaming have women been catching up.
As another anon said, nothing is stopping women from taking more interest in the field of gaming.
good job anon your doing god's work.
It's a shame that their is literally no one to actually use common fucking sense anymore, or to be an outlet for actually people who play games. it makes me wonder where the Fuck did video games stop being about you know the games. and turn into this SJW jerk off industry
The major problem is, if they do that those women will cry they are being oppressed and tumblr, SJW, Kotaku and shit will flock to their rescue and throw shit all over the game and very few people will end up buying it. Once they get you, anon, there is no good way out
What's the sad part is that gaming is entertainment, yet it is being politicised. Stop this shit, gaming is for fun, it is a form of entertainment, it does not need to be politicised.
You're only helping by creating an endless amount of threads fueling this politisation of video games, by the way.
>YOU COULD BE ARGUING WITH A WOMAN ON /v/ RIGHT NOW!
>Game is not a commercial success
>No profit is made
>Dumb cunts go hungry and get a real job sucking dick
And ignore pandering sites too. THey'll always have neough to get by, but /v/ is already making headway by not visiting them anymore and posting pastebins instead of proper links.
>hurr vidya games don't matter
>muh first world problems
Don't forget to help fund The Fine Young Capitalists!
>and very few people will end up buying it
Bullshit. Look at Dragon's Crown. Kamitani didn't go for appeasement when the SJWs started bitching, he just called his critics faggots and it's the best selling game he's ever made.
I did a college project on video games and who's playing them today.
As such I did some statisical research. This involved looking up existing stats.
That stat, the one that says "45% of gamers are female" is innacurate.
It's actually "45% of people who purchase video games in stores in the USA are female".
This means that there's a high possibility that these women are simply mothers buying games for their sons.
Thank you. This has been a brief lesson in checking your sources.
>women use 45% but do 2% of the work
Wait what kind of logic is this, are they somehow proud or are they trying to blame men for women not doing shit?
I don't fucking understand this feminist logic.
Honestly, at this point, I hope the project gets funded and the game is shit. Just so I can laugh at every /v/irgin and /pol/ack who was stupid enought to be duped by tumblr shills into funding this shit
Meanwhile I just spent my money on crusader kings 2 and am fucking loving it, white knights gonna white knight and retards gonna retard I guess
Pissing off /pol/ and SJWs at the same time by supporting this.
It's a win-win.
>implying /pol/ would fund feminists
>B-but you don't understand,they are GOOD feminists
>tfw this "lets make friends with reddit and tumblr by donating to TFYC to support woman, despite woman already being in the industry!" is going to kill /v/ and all of 4chan, more then when 4chan being in the press and Project Chanology.
This is truly the end.
>>they blame everyone for that apart from other women
That's the part I don't get. If women are equal and just as capable as men when it comes to making games, then why don't more women just make games? How is this anyone's fault but that of women themselves?
And don't tell me it's because those little boys called them "bossy" when they were little girls. Not buying that shit.
We're supporting a small group of proper feminist, which have garnered ire from every video game forum, video game journalist, and tumblr due solely to Zoe Quinn. They get shut down with every project they try, even now.
Their original pitch was something like, "Hey, let's get some girls to make some video games!" The response was, "Ok, well, let's bring in some Ideas Girls." To which they said, "We'd actually like them working on/in every aspect of the game, like the actual programming and making of the game, not just concept and design." This was apparently laughable, and the project sunk.
But not before Zoe Quinn took wind of the project. Her complaint was, "Why should women work for free on this project?" Perplexed by the question, they informed her that while a majority of the games profits would be going to charity, 8% would be kept for the developers. I can't imagine how a person could be offended by this notion, but Zoe was, and took to the tumblrs and using the influence that she seemingly, magically has, and tarnished the groups name on the internet.
Then along comes the Quinnspiracy, /v/ makes a lot of noise for a day, Zoe is a PR nightmare, and TFYC get to feel smug for once. /v/ has sought it fit to throw in with TFYC almost wholly out of spite, tumblr feminists foam at the mouth and bark, "If 4chan is supporting you, you're clearly doing something wrong." I don't know if TFYC is in on this, if they just like having support from somebody for the first time, or whatever else, but they are just loving us right now and I don't think tumblr or Twitter could be more angry.
>Because women make terrible game devs
you didn't even need to resort to that
all the concepts are awful except for spook tycoon and none of these women have actual experience making games (since it's for women new to the industry) so even it will be terrible
Women's most popular game is Solitare by far. Followed by shit like "Quiz games", Candy Crush/angry birds viral fads they don't spend money on, etc.
Apples are the new oranges, what a scoop!
Face it, the male dominated space in video games is being intentionally destroyed by cultural Marxist SJW.
I have solved Fermi's Paradox. No alien civilization has made contact because they were all destroyed by their alien SJW feminists.
They have already structurally changed and destroyed large parts of our hobby in a measly 5 years. They are literally death, destroyer of worlds (both real and virtual).
Now they can use highly flawed, closed methodology studies like the NDP GROUP one (which IS the only one, the ESA brochure in the article cites the EXACT SAME study as its ONLY source) to justify having creative input.
Speaking of creative input:
SJW/women haven't created anything marketable, so they attempt to destroy what exists instead.
Their own cited studies consider a browser game once a month a "Gamer". My grandmother plays Farmville and hasn't spent any money on it, nor has my aunt. I think there is a difference between a kid buying a few $60 Call of Duty 540: Electric Boogaloo every month, and women playing solitaire once a week.
SJW could vote with their wallet, or better yet, start their own company if there is such a glaring lack of games targeted towards women (or feminist, or trans, or faggots, or etc).
The SJW/women interest in video games is mostly because it is a male dominated space, yet I hear no solutions other than self-censorship.
Ms. Magazine attacked Comicon and comics for the same reason it attacked video games. A recent issue had Wonder Woman as an empowering character helping fight "the war on women" at Comicon.
It has never been easier for one person to design, write, program, market and make money off of a game, all in their free time.
It's over boys.
where did I say anything positive about the tumblr project you little bitch, you made a fucking off topic shit tier thread and you samefagged like a mad cunt in it
you shiteating faggot
I think if anything this is proof that we need to become more euphoric and misogynistic than ever before
Simply disliking feminist agendas was not enough, they are coming here and want to make this into the new /co/. We need to go full Elliot Rodgers and outright bombard ANY women on here with abuse, and fire immature shitslinging tirades at any female Dev who even passingly mentions gender
I just wanted to be mature and ignore the crazies, but all that's achieved is allowing the cancer to spread
Except lots of other boards can get assaulted in this fucking retard "war". We literally had /pol/ come up with this idea. The safe heaven Japanese culture (despite most being shit) will be the next target
Only very niece boards will survive.
they come here all the time to shill and with the attitude at the moment its pretty friendly for feminists wanting to raise money for women in games, keep shilling though slut enabler
so what? fucking ISIS runs threads on /pol/ trying to push "if you don't support ISIS ur a jew" shit when /pol/ isn't one person and as a majority hates both jews and sandniggers.
>mfw i live in a third world country where women are killed by their husbands two times a week
>proper feminist is worried about women being playable characters in vidya instead.
no one is supporting anyone. /v/ is supposed to be fucking neutral on this. Let retards over at /b/ or /pol/ decide to fight politically motivated fights. Shitflinging does exactly 2 things.
1. It advertises /v/ on sites like reddit or youtube
2. It brings people to this board that think they are in good company because they don't get that people who shitpost here usually don't mean what they say
No one here gives a fuck about the industry, no one. The only people who write shit like that are crossboarding idiots that are interested in e-celeb drama. /v/ is as disconnected from the industry as you could possibly get. When developers create games they will never have /v/ as their target audience, when videogame "journalism" sites write articles they won't give a single fuck what /v/ thinks about them because to them we are a bunch of loser nerds with weird opinions. Let them do their shit and we do ours, /v/ is no one's place for their personal crusade with their personal agenda.
This is a problem with women, not with video games or the industry.
Women aren't game designers for the same reason they aren't physicists or engineers. It doesn't appeal to them so they go into other shit.
smaller variance in intelligence (so fewer women at the edges of the overall distribution, meaning there aren't as many in fields that require high IQ and at the peaks of achievement), greater risk aversion
>the only interesting looking game is a theme hospital clone
I'd play it if they released a version where you end up in hell and get to fuck succubi all day long.
You know what boggles my mind?
Survival horror is dead
Adventure is dead
Action is dead
RTS is dead
FPS is dead
FPA is dead
TPS is dead
Free roaming has been the same shit for ten years
Jrpg are dead
Wrpg are a near lost cause
Sport shit is dead
Fighting games haven't been good for a decade now
Platformers are dead if you're not a flaming indie homo or into Nintendo stuff
And you worry that they want to put queers in charge of gaming development?
Wait, is this politics or video games economics talk?
In politics, no. A doctrine that is not productive eventually dies out or gets marginalized. SJW or the modern far left isn't popular by any sense of the word and would be lucky to claim 2% of the population. The best way I could put this is that 80% of women probably just want radical feminists to just shut the fuck up and stop making them look crazy.
Video games talk? If media convinces the industry to shift supply towards this sort of deal, and there isn't demand appropriate, those firms will lose money and either switch supply or leave the market.
Those leading the project are FEMINISTS and that means that they are deluded motherfuckers who believe that women should reach the level of men with external help instead of working for themselves.
probably a lot considering how much money retards spend on shit like candy crush and the kardashian game (yeah not real games I know but I'm sure those are factored in to that stat)
>45% of the public
This shit always gets me, if it was actually true publishers would care, as it would net them more money, but most girls only play casual games on facebook and phones, not even dudebro tier pleb shit like CoD.
egalitarians are shit too
they're not insane for the most part (just indoctrinated) but they're still wrong. women aren't men, they have different abilities and interests and in a sane system that translates to different rights, responsibilities, and expectations.
When I first started playing videogames 20 years ago, it was all men. Women have only recently begun shoehorning their way into the industry. They need to fuck off, and leave videogames to the people who actually enjoy the hobby, y'know, us sex-denied males.
>SJW or the modern far left isn't popular by any sense of the word and would be lucky to claim 2% of the population.
You have a very limited definition of what a SJW is i assume.
Probably just secretaries that stay in the main floor doing paperwork and shit.
This is the part that always gets me. We have these shitcunts whining about this trivial shit, collecting bucks because their feelings got hurt and they need 200k to make shitty TVTropes YouTube videos and not a single one of these selfish bitches ever MENTIONS organisations like Terre de Femmes, whose members travel to fancy places like Pakistan to teach young girls how to read and write instead of being married off at age nine.
>women should reach the level of men
by the time you start thinking in these terms you've already gone full retard
women and men should not be competing with each other for economic success, they should be cooperating with each other to build families by specializing in the activities they are adapted to do by evolution
Video games are fucking dead. At the very least, we can encourage some decent women to put a character we made in a game.
What other fucking joys do we have left in this godforsaken industry?
>Only support women
>Make a deal about game character's gender instead of the game being good.
>women and men should not be competing with each other for economic success, they should be cooperating with each other to build families by specializing in the activities they are adapted to do by evolution
That's kinda the opposite of how society works though. Everything's about competition.
>SJW or the modern far left isn't popular by any sense of the word and would be lucky to claim 2% of the population
it's more like 10%, but you have to take a broader view--many of yesterday's far left positions are today's center. the us is left of the ussr on basically everything but economics (because being left on economics killed the ussr).
>fags and wimmin killing vidya, bawww
So you pirate all your games, or *maybe* buy some dirt cheap shit from bundles and sales for a few pennies, play a fraction of them, and sit on 4chan bemoaning the death of games. Meanwhile Casuals and SJWs chuck hundreds of dollars at the CoDs and Gone homes. For some impossible reason the industry tries to pander to the latter groups.
Who could've possibly foreseen this outcome?
So Resident Evil is dead because they pander to dickless men or landwhales? I don't think so.
Bioware hasn't made a good rpg in over ten years, but guess what? At their absolute prime they were okay at best, so nothing of value was lost.
>games are dead because of this needless pandering to minorities
Tell me a game that fucking does this, that not Bioware.
I want to make a really fun game with nearly naked women, sex jokes, giant robots, ss, and all of that other fun great stuff I enjoy
it would be nice as a
grillif I could be one of the first women to pioneer and design a great game and it be just as sexist and misogynistic as what feminists are claiming women hate
yeah, we obviously have steam sale threads because everyone here doesn't buy games
Yeah once you get off the internet (not directed at anyone, just saying) you realize that literally nobody gives a shit about what they're whining about. People who don't spend their entire life on the internet looking for things to be offended by (aka SJWs) are rarely as offended by stupid shit like a joke about a woman, for instance- contrary to how SJWs would like to lump their entire gender/race/sexuality/etc.
I would agree with you but no in this case.
It's not about female representation in newest assassin's duty which barely any female plays. It's just about females in leading positions of entertainment industry.
On the other hand those statistics do not match my personal experience - I was working on a "social" games and out of five projects two had female leads.
Like mentioned earlier, it's because they're arbitrarily only counting women who are lead designers or directors. There are and have been lots of women in the game industry, they just apparently don't count because people are too stupid to realize that games are a a result of the collective work of many people.
individuals are not the natural units upon which civilized society is based
this is autistic libertarian nonsense that has only become anything close to true in the late 20th century/early 21st century west, and our birthrates are in the toilet because of it
we will be outbred by societies which have not forgotten how to orchestrate cooperation between the sexes if we don't get our shit together, even if those societies are much dumber and less technologically advanced
>Being whiny one-sided black and white arguing faggots
You should support this because these people do it right and it is a positive to have more women developing shit. Look at fucking Shantae. Women make the best ass in vidya.
>first world problems
Ok well complaining about complaining about first world problems is a first world issue so that cancels out, you shouldn't have to worry about that. The time spent considering altruistically donating money to anarchic african regimes under the guise of feeding pot-bellied kids who eat dirt is better spent masturbating if you are spending this time on a video games board.
Anyway my issue with OPs pick is that messages like this get sent to male dominated areas such as /v/, as if they were a call to arms or that we could do something. However the entire point of the picture is that it is women who are answering a call to arms (to develop games). As if they are cryptically asking me to do something about the fact girls aren't doing anything. I would help design games based off this picture but I am not a girl so this picture wouldn't mean anything if it didn't fascinate me, and since many feminist women would like to call us losers and virgins for being on /v/, why would they assume we were in a position of power to help them? If we are uncivilized mysognistic pigs, how do we have any influence or prestige?
They could say privilege but that is just a way of projecting your insecurities onto another persons success. It is also an attempt to say since something is male dominated, it means its also misogynistic -- As if they are exactly the same states, even though ontologically that doesn't make sense.
Games are dead because gameplay were deemed unimportant.
All the "minority pandering" does is to take the focus of the ones that are left, but its not a big issue.
The issue is when shitty game design get pushed as a norm by a vagina.
I think it's funny how they use a generic word like "design" instead of program because if they did that most women wouldn't even bother. If women (who actually care about muh equality shit) want to be taken seriously in the industry they'd go out and learn how to actually make a game. Not pay other people to make it for them and put their name on it.
I forgot the author, but I remember reading a book with a forward in it saying how people always wanted to split profits with her because they could give her a really "good" idea for a book. She told them to fuck off and go write it themselves. Writers are famous because they can actually write, not come up with 100 generic ideas. I think that same thing should apply to video games.
Egalitarianism, depending on the definition (I assume you don't mean Randian egalitarians), never stated that men and women are the same, merely that the legal system should not discriminate between the two and that both should be offered the same opportunities. Most first world countries are largely egalitarian with a few exceptions like custody laws and the general treatment of domestic violence.
Maybe because we've grown used to the smell coming from Vidya Gaming's rotten corpse. Now they want to take a few shits on it, toss in a bundle of twigs and set the whole thing on fire. Maybe is someone would bother to pop in more often than a few times a year and do more than just spray a few shots of febreze into the air, we wouldn't give a shit. But nah. Fuck that apparently.
Pandering to minorities didn't kill video games. Minorities didn't implement DRM, microtransactions, online-only single-player games, or outright ruin genres.
We're fighting a pointless war to keep video games the same, already broken and ruined.
I don't fucking care anymore.
You should do it you fucking retarded, false flagging, pretending to be a girl, faggot.
>go on any game lobby of any game
>everyone is male
>thinking you need a citation to prove this
Fuck off landwhale, you probably don't even play games you fat grandma glass wearing cellulitis riddled slut
>45% are girls!
>There should be more female characters as leads!
Girls who actually enjoy games hardly ever give a flying shit about what the sex of the playable character is.
Unless it's a kart game.
Maybe if women actually designed games worth a shit people would care.
But no, they make point and clicks and mobile games.
Meanwhile males are making DMC3, FEAR, Ocarina of fucking Time, Katamari, the list goes on.
Of course ignoring biological differences is stupid, but thats not what people are talking abut when they talk about equality. Unless they're drinking the feminist cool aid.
Practical notions of equality are rooted in economic equality of opportunity and political rights.
If you look at the actual sale numbers, you will see you're talking crap.
Yes, CoD sells a lot, but its not due the shallow horrible single player mode, but due the fact it is the game that every casual mutually agreed to play, to avoid spreading the online community too "thin".
Even with all the SJW pandering, all the prices, all the screaming, Gone home only sold 250k units, while goat simulator is almost reaching a million.
According to the sales, the best game on the planet is tetris.
Did Assasin's Creed Liberation have a female negro protagonist just because? Or how Far Cry 4 will have a flamboyant gay character? I wouldn't be surprised if they did other similiar stuff too considering in what kind of countries their major studios are based.
I'm not understanding why there are so many users defensive about this and what effects it could have on a website. Don't you faggots have a back up website community ready if ever the one you normally patronize no longer suits you?
Women write great pornography, anon.
>merely that the legal system should not discriminate between the two
in practice it seems to extend well beyond that--if i want to start a company and as a policy only hire men because i find this makes for a healthier workplace, i doubt i'll find many egalitarians defending me even though the state's not doing any discrimination
>and that both should be offered the same opportunities
this is where all the bullshit gets snuck in
in practice this is a trojan horse carrying disparate impact laws, which assume equality of capabilities by default and naturally conclude that any difference in outcome must be the result in a difference in opportunity
noticve how it's odd that all this negative press towards this charity event has popped up AFTER 4chan backed it, and AFTER anita demonized the charity for taking "white supremicist money"
THE DAMAGE CONTROL IS REAL
My parents were both miners. My mom even had a vagina and everything. They're certainly rare, but far from unheard of. Modern mining in first world countries probably isn't exactly what you think it is though.
If so I would appreciate the devs for platonic reasons, their design philosophy, their work ethic etc.
Not the existence of genitalia or social status.
Its kind of impossible to measure how much vagina is behind a game and relate it to other games, so when you say a game is bad you look at those tertiary concepts instead, the music, the game design etc.
Take music for instance: you cant say that the music breaks a threshold after x vaginas, instead the music in a game becomes great when it breaches threshold with the atmosphere, and that is such a complicated process and involves so many different things that it becomes gender neutral. Once gender becomes a part, we aren't talking about games.
>You should keep giving money, goy. It is good to give women preferential treatment so they get to make shitty indie games (by using cash mostly acquired from men)
Giving money to feminists so they can continue to spew their insane and bigoted ideology, is only going to hurt gaming more, even if these feminists are the lesser cancer, they're still fucking cancer.
>inb4 muh charity deflection
If this was about charity and curing ass cancer, then just give the money DIRECTLY to the people dealing with ass cancer.
Every time someone posts a Sweden collage, it's always bigger than the last time I saw it.
What exactly is stopping women from designing games?
Is math too hard for them?
Okay. Let's work with American politics, because everyone else is a filthy foreigner.
The break down roughly comes to this
2/3 of Americans are white/European.
Typically, 50-60% of this votes reliably Republican, 20% is middle ground, the rest is left.
Blacks overwhelmingly vote democrat 80% or more.
Hispanics vote democrat less than blacks, but more than whites.
This comprises about 90% of the population, with the rest being small minorities. Virtually all small minorities excluding Jews vote republican.
So, blacks, Jews, hispanics comprise a good 40% of our population combined assuming all of them vote democrat. You've got roughly 10% of wiggle room to work with, up to 11-12% if you include all Jews as SJW.
I honestly lost track of where I was going at this point, but yeah.
SJW do not get significant political traction because they do not sell practical doctrine. Essentially, the left of the United States as a total is an opposition party because of fptp voting and electoral college.
I love it when they assume things that would irritate them would irritate us. Like that one chick during the Tumblr backlash saying she'd "ruin us by posting porn and shit". On fucking /b/.
Hamburger Helper killed /v/.
I can only comment as someone who has been on /v/ since 2009 - but these boards NEVER discussed games journalism or SJWs until Bioware got faggy.
Before that all the cancer came from summerfags vs oldfags.
You assume too much. If you want to run a company consisting solely of man, I wouldn't care. Years ago, I was once looking for a part-time job and asked a fashion boutique if they had a free spot. They said they only really hired women. I nodded and headed to the next shop. If it's what they require, it's either a smart decision or they'll eventually get pushed out of business by someone smarter.
>any difference in outcome must be the result in a difference in opportunity
Again, this has nothing to do with egalitarianism. If anything, it's a form of positive discrimination that is the very antithesis of it. Let me turn it the other way around for you. I'd like a man and a woman to have the same custody rights to a child and have the court decide who is the better guardian on case-by-case basis. This might very well mean that mothers would generally be preferred for whatever reason. If that were the case, it doesn't mean that we need to somehow adjust the legal system to give custody rights to more fathers as long as the process by which each individual mother gets custody of the child is not decided solely by her having a vagina.
>all these waifu,console tan and vivian threads
my god its like im in /co/..
The left doesn't succeed by making more Americans vote for the far left politicians, it succeeds by moving the whole electorate and suite of candidates left over time. Looking at the current statistics about party affiliation just misses the whole point.
>worthless niggers dying from ebola
Equal political rights are absolutely necessary for the proper functioning of a democratic state. The State, as an entity, naturally considers its own interests first. The proper subordination of the State to its constituents and any degree of government transparency demands widespread political rights (without discrimination based on wealth, race, etc) and high levels of public education (also available without discrimination). It has nothing to do with making people 'interchangeable', in the realm of politics, it has to do with the proper functioning of a republican state.
Furthermore, if you bother to read that article, you'll see that it, also, has nothing to do with making people interchangeable in the realm of economic production. It has nothing to do with, say, abolishing economic specialization.
Don't worry, when we inevitably win and Tabloid journalists and upper class college hipster activists lose the only platform they had to promote their poisonous agenda, we'll be able to go back to talking about videogames forever like the good old days.
The twilight of tyranny has faded in the horizon, after a long, long night of cancer, now make way for the morning of a new era.
>Videogames as a medium have improved greatly since the 80s
>Early 2000s were the golden era of great technology and devs still caring
The golden age of video games is the era of Space Invaders, Pac Man, and Donkey Kong. You don't get to decide what the golden age of video games is any more than you get to decide the golden ages of comics or animation.
I'm all for more women getting hired for video game development and design so long as they are passionate and qualified for it and not doing this out of mere Tumblr style feminazi activism.
Only people that love video games should be in the business of creating them in the first place.
Surely there must be a study of gender demographics in video games that includes the type of games they play and how much, allowing for some cutoff to define who "actually" plays games as a hobby.
ok guys, I've finally changed my mind and here's my take on this situation.
There are like 5-10% females out of all students on computer science faculties.
there are absolutely NO CONSTRAINTS for women in taking these studies but still they're like 10% of all students. Why not 50/50? It's not even something that requires superior physical force.
Expecting a bigger share for such minority in a industry that requires hard computer skills is a fucking lunacy. There is no excuse for this shit. That's why I won't support TFYC or any other feminist movement.
I thought I lost my mind today but now I know where I belong. Thank you /v/.
>Equal political rights are absolutely necessary for the proper functioning of a democratic state
I don't believe there's such a thing as 'proper functioning of a democratic state', so we're rather far apart here. Democracies inherently tend toward chaos and decivilization, because the rulers' incentives are to harvest short-term profit while they have control rather than to build up capital over the long term.
What I think you're claiming is
>Liberal ideas come up
>They eventually become accepted
>The discussion no longer becomes whether or not these once liberal policies are just, but new more liberal policies
If so, I still disagree. The democratic party in America really thrives on being an opposition party because if the Green, Labor, Libertarian parties gained traction, they would simply lose the seats to eachother as they compete for the same middleground.
As for the social left, most people pay lip service at best.
If we're simply arguing that things become more liberal over time, I'd agree with you. Things tend to do that to some degree in the short term, but hey, we had strong right revivals a century ago out of seemingly no where, and arguably again a few decades ago.
I want to cum inside ebola-chan and kill a bunch of niggers together
This is true, but my point is that the term "gamer" is meaningless and pointless anyways. I am pretty sure that major companies are starting to realize that mobile gaming doesn't actually reward quality and they are outclassed by cheap developers in that field.
It's just stupid when people get mad that X group is considered a gamer, because that means nothing. They consume interactive digital media. The market will always go to where there is money, no matter what related terminology dictates.
Only 2% of the women that play actually good games.
And well, this should change.
They're people, they have money, they can make games better with their money.
Also they should not be denied the true fun of a truly good game due stupid patriarchy
imposed mostly by other women, including several of the so called "SJWs".
>Be an accountant
>People tell me that anything in the market should change
>Ask them why
>Most people have no fucking clue
Just ignore them. If there is money to be made, people will capitalize on it.
>I don't believe there's such a thing as 'proper functioning of a democratic state', so we're rather far apart here.
Thats your opinion, fine. But the problems inherent with the idea of a state at all are present in all forms it takes. Short term exploitation or long term subjugation?
Autocracies, for example, are laden with issues and have been rightfully swept into the dustbin.
She's the lead animator and she did tell them to fuck off, they were never heard from again
Holy fuck, he doesn't even realize the logical fallacy this entire fucking project is based on.
The mentioned book which is their entire justification of existence for this SJW shit focuses exclusively on computer science.
That's NOT relevant for gamedev. Also their 45% to 2% statistic is simply dishonest
Why do you support this /v/
>women giving up on promising studies because environment is uncomfortable yet perfectly safe
> I don't like star trek posters so I'm going to ignore an entire industry
Why is it every time women want to get into a field the entire field has to change for them.
I'd use 'left' or 'progressive' instead of 'liberal' because 'liberal' to me designates a specific point or region in politics-space rather than a direction, but that's a minor issue. Other than that you're correct about what I'm saying.
>As for the social left, most people pay lip service at best.
That's just not true. They may pay lip service to the new stuff (gay marriage, trannies) without really buying it but the stuff that's been around for a few generations has strong, genuine support--try repealing women's suffrage or bringing back de jure racial segregation.
>but hey, we had strong right revivals a century ago out of seemingly no where, and arguably again a few decades ago.
What specifically are you thinking of a century ago? Wilsonian internationalism is not exactly what I'd call right-wing. The Reagan shift rightward was real but swamped by the overall leftward trend.
As far as I'm concerned, for the 8 years I've been here, obvious racial hatred has always sparked fierce opposition.
So stop acting like this is anything new. We know you are full of shit.
>What I think What I think
This was about journalistic integrity and the fact that instead of pushing for more female developers they attacked artistic vision and works of fiction forcing artist and developers to cater or be attacked.
Because when this was still about gaming journalism we sided with reddit and tumblr. Their sites started censoring shit and they came here. From there it turned around Zoe and the project she wrecked: the fine young capitalists.
Conclusion: don't side with reddit and tumblr ever again
Did anybody who responded to this actually understand what he meant?
All you did was quote >first world problems but you didn't realise he's saying that people bitching about muh no women in vidya are idiots who could be funding aid for shitty countries
Is /v/ seriously being taken over by people from tumblr right now?
Yeah, check all the shitty vivan james threads.
They even made a steam group.
what you fucks set to do
>damage mainstream video game 'journalism'
what you fucks accomplished
>raise ZQ's patreon
>succesfully antagonize this place even more
>fund a feminist game
congratulations /v/, you're officially the cancer.
Because they're trying to combat their own fallacy in the right way, that is actually programming those games instead of just whining and doing tumblr crap and giving the vagina to people to ruin games.
Wrong motivation but right action.
It doesn't matter. When you say "1st world problems" you're minimizing the problems that people in the 1st world face.
1st world problems are really "problems that actually matter", because nobody here really gives a shit about some indian kid starving.
I see no outcome where /v/ does not die an unspeakable death from this.
Scenario 1 - /v/ or 4chan at large funds this charity game jam, yes? Nothing good comes of this. We've now got the reputation of having funded this. Curious SJW's come here in droves. Pandora's box is open and we can't close it ever again.
Scenario 2- Not necessarily mutually exclusive from Scenario 1: Zoe is a martyr. Then again, she already is. Video game journalism gets worse and is beyond saving. The industry continues on this path of paid reviews and no one can stop it.
Moot betrays us all. Massive feminist outcry demands /v/'s mods change to something more progressive or else.
New feminist mods on 4chan.
4chan is sold to the SJWs.
Scenario 4 -
All of the above.
I'm talking more at the turn of century with the strong anti-socialist, anti-anarchist, social movements and the evangelical movements and the evangelical movements that spawned in the 40's and 50's as opposing ideology became more widespread.
>They may pay lip service to the new stuff (gay marriage, trannies) without really buying it but the stuff that's been around for a few generations has strong, genuine support--try repealing women's suffrage or bringing back de jure racial segregation.
True, but the heart of this is a lack of strong opposition or necessity. It would take a large social shift, or a sudden disaster or downturn to bring back more overt racism, or to repeal suffrage. E.g., great depression, civil war,
i guess they betrayed /v/..
these are the people you support /v/, it's the future you choose
If this succeeds, arguments with SJW's will be a lot more interesting.
>WOMYN IN THE INDUSTRY ARE OPPRESSED! THE INTERNET IS MYSOGYNISTIC
>But those same "oppressors" funded a feminist campaign to actually get women into the industry, while all you've done is complain
>DOESN'T COUNT SHITLORD BECAUSE PATRIARCHY!
Okay yeah… shit won't change anything.
Yeah, because we all know original >tfw epic vee culture was so much better before.
We should all go back to those neckbeard self hating sexual frustration threads about how it's not your fault if you have no motivation to strive for something and pretend like videogames are the cause for you being a loser.
its like one of them greek tragedies, man
we hysteria now
Scenario 4 is going to happen and I going to laugh my ass off.
It's been happening ever so slowly,
Its more like "if you're complaning, why don't you do some games? the fine young capitalists proven that girls can code some decent piece of action, so if you can't, its because you're personally unable to do so".
Women have up a very small amount of the "core" market (i.e. the AAA $60+ games with expensive season passes,) but have quite a bit of influence in the casual market.
Feminism hasn't had its priorities straight for decades.
Hey, mods, do you remember when we begged you for years to cleanse the board of >tfw and other animu related NOT-VIDEOGAMES content that you often ACTIVELY supported and participated in?
Now ALL OF A SUDDEN you're doing your fucking job. Why?
Why now? Why this issue? Why didn't you do it when it actually mattered?
You're a bunch of fucking sellouts that's what you are.
Immunity Cat, thank you for helping me during the dark age of 4chan. It's only going to get worse from here.
There is nothing we can do but wait and watch as Rome burns.
It's been an honor being on /v/ with you all.
I will remember you all fondly.
Never been; any good? Gonna have to start looking for new places to emigrate to once this shit all goes down.
>SJW are actually losing. A lot of her allies are backpedaling or bailing the fuck out. They are aware of how serious the issue is and are trying to burn everything.
It's not like all the other times when they played the victim card and bailed out scott free. Now they used it too much and it didn't work. For ONCE they are actually threatened.
This is a good omen.
But there is absolutely nothing barring them from the industry.
It's a biological and genetic fact that men are more interested in technology and tinkering, which leads to things like software and hardware development, and thus game development. Woman are more attracted to social jobs like nursing or teaching.
This is an excellent documentary on the topic, althought I think it's been edited down. Search for "Brainwashing Norway: Gender Equality"
When I started seeing happiness over working with Reddit, Know Your Meme, parts of Tumblr, internet celebrities, and all that shit, I knew there was no hope left for this board.
What made SJWs a threat was the acknowledgement of them, because it brought the fucktards out of the works who went and said stupid shit and brought them attention and ears.
The war on gender politics in video games exists solely because there are people who want to fight that war. And everyone who didn't give a shit ended up suffering for it.
When i was younger I thought being honest would get you far in life, and would appeal to employers. Then I realized everyone was a lying piece of shit, including the people hiring me. The only difference is sometimes they can do their jobs and sometimes they can not.
reminder to purge the feminist scum. tell vivian shit eaters to fuck off, report TFYC threads, tell feminists to go back to tumblr.
Anon, I used to be skeptic too, merely a week ago, I was with all of you, screaming at mods to delete SJW trash because it shouldn't be taken seriously.
But what changed my mind is the whole censoring campaign that even 4chan mods are taking part in. My mom always said that there is no one better than a thief to be scared of being stolen from.
If they have nothing to hide, why are they trying to hide themselves and everything? Why did Phil Fish close his twitter, why are so many tabloid journalists bailing out?
this is proof enough for me that, for once, we dented their only defense, which was the victim card. Now we have ONE chance to expose them for the manipulative self-serving group of circlejerking faggots that they are and people who would have usually sided with them are now siding with us.
For once I believe.
Gender in common use, colloquially, is interchangably usable as a word for sex.
It is 100% usable and accurate to use gender as another word for sex in colloquial language. The only place where gender and sex are different words is in academics. This conversation is clearly colloquial/common use.
I disagree they are not going about this the right way at all. If they really wanted to help they'd start teaching women to program, not just asking them for cool ideas and doing all the work for them. Hell unless they donated a certain amount, they'd even get "advice" on what would/wouldn't work. So they're not even really "designing" the game so much as giving the programmers and artists a general idea. I feel this is one of those "teach a man to fish..." situations. If women are truly as capable as men at game creation then they shouldn't need a team of men doing everything for them.
I hope this tumblr OC dies after this whole Zoe scam is over.
But you're wrong retard. Most of the women hired in the industry will be artist, working on concepts, models and textures, environment art and so on. Some of them will be hired on the business side, and very few will be hired on the programming side, because woman don't go into that field out of a lack of interest, not because of some deep hidden conspiracy.
>Except that's exactly what it is
I can only speak for computer science, not for gamedev specifically, but the problem is NOT that companies prefer men over women. Women don't care about CS. I don't know why. There are barely any females in my CS classes, maybe they just don't enjoy the job. There are few women in gamedev because few women want to be there
Because this shit has happened on several boards over the last few years and yet they went right back to how the did things before. Everytime something like this happens people panic and act like morons but nothing ever fucking changes you pussy.
It's simple. The leading party is led by idealist leftists. Leftists vote for the left party without paying much attention about what they actually do because that's too hard.
And then you get Sweden.
I could bet a lot of money the great majority of people who vote for a party do it for numerous reasons other than their platform.
-The political leaning of the party (left/right/center)
-It's the cool party among their demographic
-Their parents vote for that party
It's more a direction than a point. The Puritans were well to the right of anyone in today's mainstream, but were left of the Church of England at the time (not everything maps to left/right, of course, but this does).
>I mean, for the sake of argument, feudalism was considered progressive at a time.
Can you expand on what you mean by this?
Redwood already is trying to delete anything loli.
They have good intentions, they just want to show that girls can do things like that. Rather than anything about politics.
I disagree with the image but they arent the bad guys
It would be great to be wrong.
But I don't see an easy reset button where everything just goes back to normal.
Nobody's just going to fucking forget this all happened. There's going to be after effects.
Most girls wouldn't mind.
Girls LOVE playing sexy girls on average, men like looking at sexy girls cause that's hot. Girls just like playing sexy girls cause they're sexy (or maybe they also find that hot), and girls like feeling sexy, most of them anyway.
Hell, a TON of the lewd mods for Skyrim are made by women, and used by them. One of my friend actually plays Skyrim with tons of TERA armor and prostitution mods.
And yet you remove 2 'games' and it's less than 10%
Feminists are right on this case, because it is the patriarchy.
But they are the very patriarchs imposing this.
Guys generally simply don't give a shit anymore, but you can't be a girl friend of other girls without submitting to the mighty cock and being useless.
>They have good intentions, they just want to show that girls can do things like that
But that's not what they're doing. They only have idea-women tell them they concepts, then MEN develop these games.
This thread is giving me cancer.
>Go to /a/
>Why are lolis so lewd?
I HEREBY DECLARE MOE TO BE A PART OF THE TUBMLR EMPIRE!
>ISIL beheading children among other warcrimes
> American trade is worse than ever
> Poverty and unemployment rates are through the roof
>riots across Europe and america
>whole internet stops because some slut fucked a bunch of dudes to make herself famous.
>robin williams died less than a month ago and people give more shit about the slut than anything else.
never change /v/
>/v/ supporting feminists
please tell me I'm being rused
please tell me it's just an epic meme
Define "develop." Do you mean code? Do you know C++? Have you looked at your local university statistics, the number of women enrolled in the CS and Game Development classes? There is no hidden conspiracy here, it is flagrantly illegal to not hire someone based on sex.
There are few women "developing" games because few woman have the interest to enter the field. Period, end of discussion. That is it.
"Matriarchy" would imply that they would try to send men to the kitchen while they take all the responsability of home and be the main source of income.
All those "feminists" want is "patriarchy but with the right of being a whore without being called out for it".
Degree of government control is not the only way to classify ideologies.
(Also, monarchy's placement on that bottom axis is insane. monarchical governments were far smaller than modern democracies, let alone socialist states. Lots of ancaps will readily admit that.)
Seriously, what the blyat' is a Vivi? Explain, Comrade!
>*This Statistic Only Includes Women Who Were The Game Director Or Lead Designer
First of all, that's some fucking disgusting capitalization.
Second, way to fudge the fucking numbers and devalue the roles of many women in the industry, you feminist cunts.
I support operation total flood. If enough Shittygames get put out then we get to have a second crash, and all the new games that get made will be dick waving PC contest. So win-win consoles die, casuals are gone, Ea and the like are no longer our problem and all that is left is the master race.
>Fucking video games?! Fucking seriously?
Watch out guys we have a Social Justice Warrior over here.
>muh-health care demographics
>THERES MUCH MORE FUCKING IMPORTANT THINGS THAT PEOPLE SHOULD PUT THIS EFFORT INTO!
THIS IS HOW MAD YOU ARE
Video games died even before video games existed because of 4chan.
It's a shitty tumblr OC that people want to replace with RAGE. It's going to invite even more reddit faggots here.
This anonymous poster is right.
>Play vidya for a few days after the disgust of seeing /v/ fund that SJW shit
>Come back to Vivian James
What the fuck.
There is a difference between feminist and what was feminism. The modern university feminism is rather retarded too. Trust me, I had to write exams about Katty Perry defeating the patriarchy by burying P-Diddy in sand in some shitty video of hers.
So your only issue is "muh rage-tan"?
Nobody is trying to "replace" him. the idea was to make anoriginal character for the project.
Jesus fucking Christ guys when will you stop feeling so victimized all the fucking time, you remind me of those SJW you hate so much.
Just think a bit.
Why they can't simply go and make games?
Why they consider theirselfes unable to do it?
Women driven patriarchy being women driven patriarchy, because its easier or something.
1st world problems aren't problems that actually matter. 1st world problems are problems people in the first world face, such as not having enough female representatin in the video games industry, or the barista at starbucks put too much sugar in your latte, or having a pixel die on your 60" TV. Also known as problems that DON'T matter.
Compared to a empire/extremely centralized autocracy, feudalism was new and daring at one time.
In the same sense that puritans who argued for simpler worship, more faithful worship were considered left wing progressives as it opposed the cultural norm.
At this point we're just circle jerking.
>SJW are not very popular, and can't really become popular as they do not really bring effective benefits to anyone.
Sufferage happened due to political climate and political agendas of the time as new voters entered the pool.
Women working outside of the home allowed cheaper prices to be paid for labor.
I don't see any reason for SJW mode of thought to become common. What is the benefit? Why would people adopt this?
Social Justice Warrior.
You get it? As in they have some personal social issue they want everyone else to give a shit about. These faggots whether they like it or not are no different.
What about the ageing society? A classic first world problem that will fuck up the first, the second, the third and all the following worlds if it's not solved in a reasonable manner soon.
>So your only issue is "muh rage-tan"?
No, it's /v/ supporting feminist's and their agenda.
Despite the fact that there's tons of Japanese devs who are woman.
Eat shit and die.
I found 4chan in 2008 and it changed dramatically after 2010.
I remember when their were gore and teen/self-shot threads constantly on /b/ and there were no trap threads or shit that belonged on /r9k/soc/ and their were spammers, like that 'the doctor is back' spam or whatever and /v/ was way way more critical and honestly critical like hardcore no excuse for casual streamlined bullshit, shit like bioshock infinite, the last of us, and dishonored would have been completely shunned and unmentionable on /v/ after the first two weeks of release after all the hate and exact elaboration of why they are shit games had thoroughly been gone over. I miss what /v/ was, and what 4chan was in general, /b/ used to be a good place to go fap, and now it isn't.
But you always fail to explain why!
If your concern is an influx of SJW on /v/, with the current issue with Zoe I promise you that these SJW will stay as far away as they can from here since it they so tastefully caled /v/ and 4chan the "Cathedral of Patriarchy"
Seriously, where does all of this fucking paranoia come from? For once we have a chance to cleanse our name and prevent SJW from calling us a bunch of woman haters and, yet, here you are, unable to contain your crushing pessimism and trying to prevent our only chance to stop appearing like a bunch of sexually frustrated virgins.
When will you ever be happy? When videogames go back to the boys only tree house sausage fest?
Shut up newfag.
>le summer is nigh
It's always the same shit.
>tfw don't care what a bunch of idiots donate to since it doesn't effect my superior nippon games and i look forward to more porn of her
I'm sorry, it's not. Roughly three years ago, summer semester, introduction to culture studies run by a guy who thinks he's the teacher from Dead Poet Society. A fucking black mark on the entire university of you ask me.
I still think you are unable to understand what the OP had written when he posted that.
He was saying that there are far more pressing concerns than 2% of women being video game devs. Its not like women are being forced out of game development or barred from developing games.
This Young Capitalists thing isn't even being developed by women they're just taking ideas from a bunch of women who know jack shit about video games.
Let's see who's the cancer.
>Complaining about how other people spend their time and money
>Complaining about how this place isn't a hivemind and different people have different opinions