It's me again about Stargate, what kind of games would you like to see of it (if it worked)?
SGU starting after the series finale.
in season 8? I started season 9 and they introduced the Oris, they sounds as bad as Goa'uld
what are your favorite episodes of SG-1, /v/?
All of the Replicator episodes, but especially the first one.
SGU got pretty good in the last half of season 2. It was the only reason I got pissed at the cliffhanger cancellation, because as soon as the show started using the potential it had it was shut down.
For most of the show it was pretty sad, though. It was obvious they wanted to follow in Battlestar Galactica's footsteps by focusing heavily on the character drama portion of the show, but they completely forgot that in BSG the characters had plenty of depth and bigger things were constantly happening as the show progressed. SGU just sort of sat there on its ass going nowhere, forcibly wringing drama out of characters who had barely been established beforehand.
The one with the something Confederation that slowly sterilized Earth. You know, the one with that episode where
Carter throws a blood stained note through a Stargate to notify SGC in the past that travelling to the Confederate's world is a bad decision Then they go ahead and do it anyway[/spoilr]
And it should keep main cast out and focus on random recruits. Maybe have Hammond be the general in base
>Have mechanics where you can choose worlds to venture to (have brief descriptions based on robot recon)
>can visit other worlds building affinity and eventually trading for rare resources like naquida or even tech with system kind of like civ
>have options for classes beyond just soldiers. Can bring scientists and researchers who have abilities to gain resources at cost of weaker military wise
>base defense using locations like SGC, off world bases, and allied home world's
I hate season 4 because it was filled with Tok'ra episodes, I hated them.
The ori felt like kind of a mis step. Anubis was only really a half ascended with just a shit load of Jaffa. They should have just had some rogue full on ancient instead of a whole fucking fleet of them
The power gap between the ori and SGC was so broken they had to make a deus ex machina to fix it.
Like maybe instead of ori, just have the wraith discover the milky way and so they spend time united with Jaffa and asgard fighting off shitloads of them. Then by the time that's over SGC would have a bunch of spaceships and fighting ori would be far more equal
>Form your own SG squad out of recruits
>Take them on numerous missions until they're pros who can tackle the mightiest Jaffa armies
>Get back from a particularly hard mission and relax in letting your squad relax in the base cafeteria while you research new equipment
>Alerts start going off
>SG-1 just returned from a mission with a Kull Warrior army in pursuit
>Your best recruits get slaughtered
Every fucking time.
so did Kinsey die? He was in one of that goa'uld stolen ship by the Confederation in that episode where they tried to make the US and Russia to bomb each others
General Hammond had succumbed to many years of battle, Master Bra'tac.
Yeah but they won in the end
By giving them the Stargate address to the black hole planet. Dem niggas ded.
>Stargate RTS / Grand strategy game
>Close the iris and insta-win every invasion
>Protected Planets Treaty means Earth is safe
>Just attack low population / low strength planets and camp 5ever
I'd still play it.
>come back from mission
>most of troops using jaffa/lazor tech
>alert goes off
>sg-1 comming through the gate
>replicator horde follows them through
i would play this shit for months.
That's just hilarious to think about.
"Here we are. On our first mission to purge the galaxy of inferior races. Dial up our first planet on the list."
Silver lining, though, is that none of them will have had time to realize what was happening before they died instantly to a horrific atomic crushing death.
As for the Stargate game, I'd love to see a Stargate game that takes exploratory/puzzle solving cues from Myst/Riven, but allows you to change events by letting you fight enemies in first person, run, be diplomatic, etc..
Well it wasnt that easy
There were numerous ways to get through the iris whether melting it, sending a virus through, or slipping someone through before they could close it so for a game you could have different agro counters where if you anger someone too much they WILL break in
And the treaty took a while for them to organize and only blocked ship attack and only when Asgard weren't busy anyways
And I would assume the win condition would be defeating the gauld or whoever so no camping
There isn't any really broken stuff there
We have lost a great ally and friend, when i return to chulak he will be honored like a jaffa warrior
Nah he got snaked and teleported to a ship with an Asgard beam or something but it blew up and they just never said if he got a chance to use it or not.
He's presumed dead but it's pretty ambiguous
>Those episodes where someone got caught in the Stargate WHOOOOSH and got cleanly disintegrated from their torso up
>Those episodes where something, anything hits the Iris
That one Atlantis episode where the Iris closes halfway through an invading enemy squad and they begin panicking while telling the commander on the other side to stop sending people through
I would play a game that literally had you sit there and CLOSE THE IRIS all day.
>the Tollan were huge dicks about sharing stuff
>die before they hand over anything good
>their total destruction was entirely their own fault for over reliance on their ion cannons
Well, they were a totally fucking pointless addition to the story
>mfw that one episode anubis is sending jaffa squads through the stargate every hour for like 12 hours
>mfw those THUMPS of instagib
that shit is brutal as fuck
>carter: SIR THEY'RE BOMBARDING OUR IRIS WITH A PARTICLE ACCELERATOR
>base alarm goes off
Maybe have the protected planets treaty be something you have to uphold yourself. Play yourself down to avoid needless attention, bluff the goa'uld into believing that the Asgard are still capable of responding etc. Missions on low population planets would be key to increasing your faction's power early on.
Also, wormhole attacks that overload the gate or melt the iris itself, undercover enemy agents that seek to hack or control the gate from the inside to open the way to an invading army, invisible intruders that occasionally slip through with your team, mind control tech and so forth. Plenty of ways to threaten the base itself, in ways that can't always be solved through firepower alone.
>General Hammond: The Video Game
>CLOSE THE IRIS when SG-1 messes up again
>Intense Papers, Please-style paperwork sim where you have to cover for SG-1's behavior with your superiors
>Micromanage the funds and personnel of the SGC for when SG-1 inevitably brings a mission home with them
That's most of the shit the SG1 team encountered.
>holy shit advanced alien space craft full of technology
>whelp, we had to blow up the advanced alien tech to get out of trouble
NEXT WEEK ON STARGATE...
>That one episode where O'neil has to leave a really shitty planet and he suspects someone is following him
>The moment he steps through the Gate and gets back to SGC he tells them to shut the Iris
Fuck those tree hippies. That episode would've made me platinum mad if it weren't for Apophis being such a badass and 1v4ing SG-1.
>the Stargate would've been fine if Rodney had been told to fuck off and they sat it out
This pissed me off especially in Atlantis, where most of the stuff was just really high-tech and eclipsed human tech several times over.
>We found this massively powerful ancient battlecruiser, but we had to blow it up to save a couple of farmers on the planet
>We found this another massively powerful ancient battlecruiser, but we had to sacrifice it to save our vastly inferior earth tech battleship
>We found like ten ZPMs but we depleted them all to get back home
>We found a way to turn the wraith human, but then we just shat all over the bed and made a new nemesis instead
>episode where they get put in alium prison
>stargate opens up
>prisoner runs at stargate when it turns on
>mfw that splat from gibbing
>There will never be a System Lord dating sim
>aliens pretending to be gods
>equipped with a staff weapon
>and a smaller stun gun
It's just, what the fuck happened? Who decided a retelling of the last 8 seasons was good enough? Why didn't the last episode of S10 wrap up the goddamn plot?
>Why didn't the last episode of S10 wrap up the goddamn plot?
Show got canceled, but Ark of Truth wraps up the plot. Meanwhile, Atlantis lies sitting off the coast of California and Destiny's coasting along in empty space with its crew in stasis and one fat neckbeard looking over the systems.
>Entire galaxy nearly wiped out by Replicators
>A human officer willingly recreates them to use as a weapon
>Is surprised when they immediately turn on their creators and start eating everything
Who let that fuckhead join the Stargate program?
>we found a planet that has infinite energy in the form of mist ghosts, enough to freely port between here and earth
>but we promised them not to use them as a power source because... well, we promised!
This one by far pissed me of the most, just wear a hazmat suit you fucking idiots.
>Don S. Davis is dead
>Richard Dean Anderson got really fat and old
>Michael Shanks is stuck doing one-shot characters in TV dramas
>Christopher Judge has only gotten work as an extra and one of Bane's henchmen in Dark Knight Rises
>Amanda Tapping got her personal dream show greenlit and it was always scrutinized and compared to Stargate
I miss the old days.
Just finished re-watching it. I don't think we'll ever get any real closure anon.
I kind of want a good 4X game, kind of like SoSE. But I'd enjoy just a standard adventure game. Maybe TTG style, but with better FPS mechanics.
Battlestar Galactica, both the original and the reimagined series. The original series is standard old school sci-fi with a rather unique plot. The reimagined series is pretty heavy on character drama, but it handles it really well and very rarely drags. Both series share the same underlying plot, with some considerable changes to the background story.
Do you mean Sanctuary? I enjoyed that, but I didn't finish the 3rd season. Still a good show, I liked it more than Supernatural. But only because that show is shit with the only redeeming factor being how hot Dean was.
Do you guys want a stream of Window of Opportunity?
I'm trying to figure out how the fuck to do it, streaming a window seems to be a lot harder to do than it should be, the scaling is being retarded as fuck.
Would be a shame if I was wasting my time.
RDA has earned his retirement. He had intended to leave acting even before SG-1 started, the show kept him in the business.
Michael Shanks fits the snarky nerd role too well and can't really handle other character types. Judge is a bit on the same side; really cool guy, but when he's not doing the stoneface act, he tends to overact in an overly theatrical way.
Sanctuary did deserve to stand on its own without the odd flak it got. It's not a bad show.
It actually took me far too long to even realize that that was Tappings, and with that I thought it was a great idea from the start. They went a little heavy on the CGI sometimes though.
It's such a shame too, because I loved Zhaan.
speaking of tok'ra
>that episode where they have a spy
>he runs in to that shit closing the tunnels
>mfw gibbing sounds
For me, what I really enjoyed about the series was the original central premise. It was like Sliders in a controlled environment. Just the idea of sending teams through the gate to unknown worlds and discovering what they were like. You could get a lot of good games out of that premise.
Personally though, you know what I've always wanted? A GBA style tactical rpg where you control SG squads, and can recruit virtually every character from the various series, each with unique abilities and perks.
Initially you only command a squad of four nobodies you make with a create a character type deal. As you play through, you unlock/recruit everyone from the series, and control multiple squads at a time. Imagine a squad with a Tok'rah, an Asgard, a Wraith and one of those reptile aliens Daniel befriended on it.
Other characters have special traits. Carter, Vala and Major Hooters all have a Charm skill, Vala can use G'ould technology since she used to be a host, has some Thief skills, stuff like that. Teal'c can carry heavy weapons and one of those energy staffs. Ronan has that special blaster he carried, Mackay and Carter can both science up tech using their environment, or build robots or whatever.
You also pick a character at the base for command abilities. Hammond would be an obvious one, one of O'Neill's special abilities would be that he's the only character that can both command and be on the field at the same time. He'd also have some special "macguyver" skill or whatever.
Always thought that'd be fun.
I don't think it was special makeup or anything, but she was wearing full body makeup for extended periods of time over the course of a few years. As far as I know, her skin just absorbed too much over time, and it started fucking with her.
All I remember about that show is the episode with the smoking hot-ass indian chick with the massive titties dancing around, and the bargain bin Daniel Jackson character dancing with her in some funked out dream.
>You're favorite sci-fi franchise will never get the vidya it deserves
What's her name, /v/?
It was fucking pointless. Half the characters were annoying or useless. It was trying to be Battlestar Galactica. They thought since SG and BSG were ending, they could just pour those fans into this series, but the writing wasn't there and the story wasn't interesting.
Plus, those fucking stones that let them communicate with Earth. Holy shit, that was the worst fucking plot device ever. It removed any tension about them being lost in space, and it made for a lot of really fucking awkward scenes, like that guy fucking his wife in Lou Diamond Phillip's body. Who thought that was a good idea? Jesus Christ.
In order to be like BSG they also pretty much entirely removed aliens from the series as well.
I thought the actor playing the main scientist who fucked them all over and stranded them there was interesting, and Major Hooters was a joy to look at, but that was it.
We will never get an Obsidian Order game with Garak
>No space politics/station manager sim where you dick over humans for several years
Starting stream of 4x06 - Window of Opportunity.
Don't make me the only one watching, get the fuck in here.
>Friday night 3 shows (SG1,SGA,BSG)
>SCi-Fi "hey lets fuck up this schedule"
>wonder why shows start getting bad ratings
Like who the fuck put BSG on sunday the fuck
Farscape. Lexx. Shit, take your pick. (Yeah, a lot of these aren't sci-fi, I'm just posting my list of favorite shows.
Oh yeah, it had problems for sure. But I went back recently and just went through every episode skipping the song-drama bits and when things got too retarded like MUH SPIRITUAL FLASHBACK 2DEEP4U stuff.
And I realized that if you boil away all the garbage, the show itself is really damn good.
I actually cared about three main characters (Cmdr Cripple, Friend Zone and NotMcKay), and I was legitimately disappointed there's no season 3.
It all started to turn around for the better in the end. But too late...too late.
>Babylon 5/DS9 style space station manager
>deep political intrigue
>lot's of races to try to attract to your station
>gotta get them all working together and not killing each other
Somebody please make it happen.
What killed the show for me was the episode that confirms Christian god as being real and the gratuitous amounts of sex and shitty indie music montages every single episode. I don't mean that as fedorashit, either, it just doesn't mesh with the premise of a series about all gods being aliens in disguise.
The director of Sci-Fi / SyFy who took over during that period hates space shows. Like HATES space shows. His vision of a Science-Fiction channel is lolsofunneh monster movies like Sharknado 24/7.
He purposely sabotaged the shows to get them the fuck off his channel, and instituted a hard rule that no show will get more than 5 seasons, no matter what. Only SG-1 got exemptions from this because it was the only fucking show bringing them any viewers.
>I thought the actor playing the main scientist who fucked them all over
Robert Carlyle, yeah. Best actor and character in the show. It's too bad they delayed opening up Rush's background, could've really used some of that depth when the drama ramped up to eleven.
>mfw my favorite sci-fi setting already has all the goat tier videogames
The actor even wrote books on Garak, all the material is there. It sucks the only star trek game is STO, fuck that shit
>watch star trek nemesis
>weapons so heinous, not even the tal'shiar approves of it's use
>everyone and their mother has a schimitar
>game shits all over the lore
Stargate SG-1 episodes were in part investigation/puzzles.
I'd like a Stargate investigation/puzzle/action game that makes you use 4 characters at once (maybe play like the recent X-Com games, with a focus on exploration/investigation).
>Oneil and Tealc take cover and hold out against Jaffa warriors. Tealc and Oneil's "ammo count is low!". A staff is nearby. "Tealc grabs the staff and buys time".
>Meanwhile Carter and Daniel (was that his name), figure out the sequence to activate the nearby gate. "Work together to escape", then return to the world later and help the locals.
>Each world saved unlocks skills and upgrades.
>Following locals' advice and customs gets you aid on upcoming missions.
>Meanwhile, the longer the SG team spends on one world, difficulty increases on the next world, and the Earth has a chance to get invaded by a mother ship.
>Send in interceptor?
Oneil has died. Game Over.
Shit, I'd even play it if it was its own unique Sci-fi setting to avoid all the licensing and copyright issues. Wouldn't even be that hard.
>Setting of space has multiple intelligent races
>Something causes most of them to get involved in a huge intergalactic war that leaves billions dead and the survivors butthurt
>Eventually the war ends and everyone starts rebuilding the pieces
>Someone builds an independent space station where all species are welcomed to try and encourage post-war cooperation and you're the one who has to manage it
>You have to manage the station's security, economics, and other logistics while trying to keep all of the races in peaceful coexistence
>You have to thwart everything from a miscommunication turning into a brawl to a secret shadow conspiracy to bomb the station and restart the war
>"So what do you enjoy in your spare time"
>"Gambling, and females"
>"You can even call them on the telephone. 1-800-SLUT"
As long as there are no overly complex alien cultures and garbage. I like everyone speaking space english and being easy to relate to, just with sexy multicolored prosthetics stuck to them.
I remember the SG-1 guys pretty much said they don't give a fuck what he thinks. I don't think the fans do either. IIRC he didn't do shit for any of the series, so his opinion was seen as pic related
Rather than making "don't restart the war" the goal, it'd be better to just keep your station out of the wars that start and end throughout your tenure.
Babylon 5 (and I'd assume DS9 as well) had several wars that were basically out of the control of the station. Plus it'd add to the challenge of getting two races who are at war with each other to not make the station a battleground.
Remember when SyFy used to be Sci-Fi, and there were days when they'd marathon SG1, Atlantis, Farscape or Lexx all day?
I remember being home sick one day, and it was like 8 hours of SG1, followed by an episode of Sliders, and then Lexx and Farscape. It was a good day.
>Not liking more alien-looking aliens
What do you want?
Agreed. A handful of aliens would be fairly bizarre and require advanced facilities and translators, but ultimately they're all manageable.
And space elves. Gotta have space elves.
I thought the other aliens were cool (Vosh or w/e they were called, it's been a while), but the Shadow had shit designs and shittier ship designs. They were just edgy for the sake of edgy.
IMO it would have been cooler if it was just an offshoot of the same species as Vosh.
I remember hearing that it was low ratings in season 7 but started being the highest rated show when season 8 brought out the Kull warriors and started surpassing BSG.
fucking morons it's embarrasing to see what's on syfy nowadays
It had some sexy-ass women.
WH13 was okay in that respect, too.
they didn't have sex in the bodyswap episode
>>That one Atlantis episode where the Iris closes halfway through an invading enemy squad and they begin panicking while telling the commander on the other side to stop sending people through
I know I'm late, but are you suggesting a Stargate game in the style of Five Nights at Freddy's?
Well when you're a kid, anything is amazing. I watched it when I was an adult, and I thought the spider aliens were just junk. Psi-Corps was more interesting, and I fucking hated the Psi-Corps arcs, too.
Maybe using FTL as the setting? An FTL station simulator would be pretty fun. It would be like running your ship, but on a much larger scale, and you have to deal with ships docking on your station. Set up businesses to keep the various species happy, set up living quarters so species that hate eachother won't be next to eachother, upgrade the station with shit like teleporters so you can have a security force of rock men that can get where they need to go quickly, I'm surprised such a thing doesn't already exist.
Hey look, it's Weyoun, the psi-corps officer.
Ah, yeah. It's all flooding back now.
Kosh was pretty based, and really mysterious and compelling. I never really cared much about the shadows, though.
Also some of the other Ancient Ones got a little silly, like Huge Flaming Tiki Head alien.
The Shadows were basically oversized insects and most of what you see of them are just their encounter suits. Their race likes to dick other races around, so they're obviously going to try and make their suits look edgy and intimidating.
The ultimate lesson was that both the Vorlons and Shadows were dicks and had been drinking their own respective kool aids for eons. All that said, the show certainly didn't age well and a lot of the aesthetics are kind of dated to an older sci-fi era. I'd prefer it to every species being humans just with green and blue skin, though.
As far as I know, a movie "reboot" is already underway. It's going to pick off where the 1994 movie ended, ignoring everything in SG-1, Atlantis and Universe.
Which doesn't really matter that much, since SG-1 itself didn't stay all that true to the original in the first place. I kind of consider them separate franchises. No goa'uld exist in the movie, the big bad is a grey-like alien shapeshifter and the last of his species, holding power over one meagre planet out of what used to be a galactic empire. Plenty of names, actors and places are different, too.
I liked the original movie because it was new and interesting at the time. Sci-fi in a setting similar to ancient egypt, with huge tech leaps between the peoples introduced (Ra < humans < egyptians). Furthermore, all of the sillier stuff introduced in the later series don't exist, which makes the movie a nice clean template for continuation. No ascension, magic, space clerics, ori etc.
I'm interested in seeing what comes out of it, though I do love the series franchise dearly.
>Trying to keep humans, Rocks, Mantis', and Engi living together peacefully
>Rebel sympathizers and Federation loyalists constantly at each other's throats
>Mantis' keep breaking shit without even trying to and repeatedly think the Engi are food
>Slugs keep sneaking into your station when you're distracted and stripping parts of it for scrap to sell
>Someone let a fucking Lanius inside
>Barely manage to hold the whole place together and make a profit
Rebel flagship arrives demanding free supplies "for the cause" and leave you in the red with rebellion IOU credits
So if it wasn't goauld inside them in the movie how the fuck were the turned marines strong as fuck?
They made it obvious they were super strong when Jack was fighting a horus guard and they show his bicep
I don't think they ever show what one really looks like entirely. The most you see are some ambiguous blurs and parts of their heads. Whenever you see them clearly, it's just their encounter suit.
What pissed me off was that the concept of the Ori had the potential to be really fucking good. When I first saw the original Orici, and realized they operate largely with fire I was like "Oh shit, demons masquerading as holy, angelic gods. That's fucking awesome."
Then it just instantly fell apart. They were faceless and uninteresting. The Orici were simply all powerful, they attacked with a fucking slow-moving virus. The staff weapons their grunts used were like cheaper versions of the Jaffa staffs.
It had potential too with the whole exploring Arthurian legends thing too, but even when they tried to bring in a fucking dragon it felt really shitty.
Since we seem to have a Stargate thread that hasn't died for once, here's what I'd like to see.
>cross between srpg xcom style and 4x Europa games
>switch between base/4x mode and xcom mode
>in xcom mode you control a squad and can explore the "world" possibly uncovering hidden ruins at the risk of assault or finding local people to trade with
>kind of a slow real time but allow pausing FTL style to quickly decide tactics
>planet location and design are randomized so you have to explore and decide best objective to follow whether it be explore, assault enemy bases, etc
>base mode is similar to xcom base mode
>can research tech, and train troops
>can auto send squads you create to deal with multiple situations at a time
>can create new tech and new squad members depending on allies you have, and also through recruitment in field or stealing tech
>works simultaneously with xcom mode so options to send reinforcements and the like all happen at the same time
>have large galaxy map which shows all the planets you've discovered
>planets will be updated with new info upon visiting and you will be able to visit via ship once you acquire one
>ship gameplay works like an xcom inside xcom with larger space battle and interior battle if invade/d
>game includes base defense with multiple bases
>game has multiple factions which you can ally with
>upon treatying up, can trade resources directly instantly and send/receive support in battle
>instead of keeping country support, you have politician support
>each one has different opinions on the program and will require different objectives to be completed to maintain funding
>goal is to become strongest force with control over galaxy, while loss conditions are earth invaded
Somebody contact those faggots who made FTL
>capture oodles of Staff Weapons
>never do anything with them
>despite being one hit kills that are only limited by their impractical design
>it takes fucking Anubis to do something with them
>turns them into wrist mounted Gatling guns
Dropped the ball hard there, guys
Looks like I was wrong, goa'uld did appear in the movie, used as tools by Ra. They weren't named, and Ra himself wasn't one of them. There's a scene towards the end of the movie where Ra dies, and you can see his human form peel off of him and reveal something similar to pic related. Apparently these were then retconned into the Asgard in the series.
Im still disappointed the SGC/Area 51 didn't do more with the Anubis super soldier armor tech.
I mean shit the stuff literally dissipated energy weapon attacks.
>upgrade personal going through the gates equpiment to be made of the stuff or entire ships made of the shit
>render jaffa/gould, wraith, and ori weapons mostly useless
When the game begins, you start out on Earth with the SGC under your command and all the essential areas. You begin with two or three squads of soldiers, the iris, and a place to explore. The game acts like a hybrid of XCOM and FTL. The gate room lets you dial in different combinations of gate symbols of your choosing. Some combinations are always the same in the game and involve key worlds or settings of the game's plot. The majority of them are randomly generated each time you begin a new game.
When you're ready, you pick your squad and assign them a mission. If you've never been there before, it defaults to something like "explore" and they go through the gate. Once they arrive, what happens depends on the world. If it's an uneventful discovery, you'll just get FTL-style popups with options of what to do and branching results depending on your choices. If the world has friendly life on it, you can choose how to interact with them and potentially establish good terms and alliances. If the world is openly hostile, you might try to have them avoid discovery or just get caught and enter a tactical battle with the troops you sent in.
As the game progresses, you explore more worlds and develop your relationship with worlds you've encountered. The government funds you monthly and you have to keep results coming to justify their continuation of the program. You can use the funds to expand the base, upgrade the security of the base, research technology you've discovered on ruined planets or stolen from the Goa'uld, and to design new ways of exploring or fighting the enemies you encounter.
If it's separate from SG-1's events, then you can follow a similar progression of undermining the Goa'uld, helping the Jaffa find the resolve to rebel across the galaxy, and then have the game climax with a System Lord launching a full-scale space attack on Earth.
theres an explanation in the wiki where the grey was an asgard that was possesed by ra
>The only reason they were defeated is because they got too worked up and had heart attacks
Best enemy encounter in SG-1, prove me wrong.
to be fair they never actually showed her in the show while she was a gould host.
If im not mistaken Ba'al hadn't even actually met her gould version before until the alt. timeline, until then he was always just smitten with her human host
I just wish they looked more monstrous and not like average guys in glossy plastic outfits. The concept for them was great, but they never felt like a proper threat. They needed to be bigger, faster and in larger numbers.
I adore star hate but did the lay-out of the gate room annoy anyone else? That shit was so lightly defended and prone to fuck ups. I would put the gate in a fucking vault surrounded by machine guns and shit. Not just two guards and the control room right in front of it.
If I remember right didn't they also stop one by
>leading it out onto a field loaded with explosives
>firing on it from every direction with bullet based weapons for over 20 minutes
>firing on it from the Prometheus
>finally stopped when its transported to a room with no air and even then takes 20 minutes to die
I wouldn't exactly call the SG-1 gate room lightly defended
>at least 2 heavy machine guns mounted to the floor pointed at the thing at all times
>usually a good 10 to 20 soldiers stationed inside the room with the gate or near it
>the iris to keep shit from getting through
>the ability to get dozens of heavily armed soldiers on that bitch if need be
>if all else fails drops the entire mountain on the thing
Everything about it was silly. Sending out one small team at a time, sometimes without even MALPing the target. No biological lockdown in the gate room, basically any weird virus the team picked from some space hobo would've spread like wildfire in the base. Command room physically in front of the gate with standard glass windows into the gate room, two Browning M2s and two blastdoors as the only immediate defense against an incursion etc.
It's just one of those things you have to be able to ignore. SG-1 wouldn't happen, as a team or a show, if realism had anything to do with it.
I know that shit but they never showed her symbiote actually being evil outside of that episode where she is on trial.
>entire series Baal is shown as being smart and tacticle as fuck
>the only goauld that actually outright KILLED SG-1
>somehow gets outsmarted by a symbiote that we never even see during the entire sries
Nah it made no sense, although I'm glad Teal'c was faithful as fuck till the end to Ba'al.
Syfy wanted to make it women friendly. The first episode I saw was some bodyswitch to a lesbian couple where one was in a wheelchair. I wish I made that up.
The show didn't feel like Stargate to me. SG-1 was b-movie shenanigans and could laugh at itself. Atlantis did that too to a lesser degree. SGU was just so goddamn serious and that bothered me to no end.
>more women friendly
>they use one episode to watch asian girl go back home so we can watch her cook and drink wine with her partner, scissor each other then fight before she leaves.
that's when I gave up on this shit
SGU had a few (2 or 3 episodes) in the first season worth a damn and it actually got pretty decent towards the end of season 2.
Really the thing that got me more than anything was trying to take Lou Diamond Philips seriously.
Can someone actually name me a show with LDP in it that wasn't cancelled?
>>the only goauld that actually outright KILLED SG-1
Are you forgetting the episode where Apophis got sick of SG-1 shooting at him and just killed them all one after another on his own?
Yeah, it was. If they weren't there to bring SG-1 back to life then the show would've ended with Apophis being a badass.
It's Atlantis and Todd was such a fun character, but I still think it would've been better if the wraith had been less "human", more aggressive hivemind monster. All the talking and diplomacy in the latter half of the series kind of watered down their image of merciless apex predators.
There was mention at one point about a potential Atlantis season 6 idea about an episode exploring more of the origin of the wraith and what the connection was to the Ancients.
Supposedly Todd was to be a wraith from a more civil time between the Wraith and Ancients before shit went south and the Wraith went taliban with cloning facilities
>yfw you realize this episode was them trying to tell us the stargate is real
>its a Teyla "muh people" episode
would bone but goddamn if she wasn't terrible
>It's a Daniel Jackson dying again episode
>its a ronin "ass kicking" episode
>pretty much turn into a background character for most of the last season
>only pull out the most annoying aspects of the character whenever you get screen time
Never liked her. McKay > Shepard = Woolsey > rest.
Oh yeah, and this guy was just too adorable to hate.
Yup, forgot. He's only a step below McKay for me.
It was nice, especially because those side characters weren't useless either, unlike most of the ones in SG-1. That stumbling fat neckbeard scientist in SG-1 never got anything done at all, and he was supposed to be among the brightest of his kind to even get into such a position.
I just wanted to see him succeed every once a while and not have Carter take over and finish his projects.
there were damn background characters that you always saw in and around Atlantis doing shit with more personality than Teyla
Any episode that centered around any combination of Sheppard, McKay, Todd, Woolsey, Carter, Ronin, Becket or Keller was good.
>yfw Teylas "muh people muh baby" shit actually single handily managed to ruin an otherwise decent villain with Micheal
I wish they ended up doing more with Ford. I don't recall them ever coming to any resolution with him. They replaced him with Ronin, did a few one off episodes with him, and then he just faded away.
Crystal Skull aliens. THE GIANT ALIENS. Ugh. How can you never say what happened to Daniel's uncle?
It couldn't hurt to just say they are Furlings (because they're made of a substance that can "furl" up into the tiny curved extra dimensions of string theory thus making themselves invisible).
See, I have it all worked out.
She has drawn on cleavage, her whole character was being a slut, and all those weird body movements and ticks got annoying.
I didn't mind her being a slut until what she did to Dhargo. Fucking despised her after that. He was about to propose to her, so she ran off and fucked his son.
Not to mention that time travel episode where it's revealed that
she found teenage John Crichton, and remembered the name of the girl he said he lost his virginity to, so she met him claiming to be wearing a Halloween costume and had sex with teenage Crichton, because she got off on the idea of being the one who took his virginity and him not realizing it.I mean, I thought it was pretty clever on the part of the writers, but damn, Chiana was twisted.
Her plots usually sucked too. Her having magic eyes, that boring "take the stone" episode where she hung out in a cave with space-hippies.
Aeryn is best girl.
I think it was hinted in one episode that the Wraith look like humans because they're half humans. There was this bug that attached itself to the leader of the team, and I'm pretty sure they stated it was an ancestor to the Wraith or something, and fed in basically the same manner. I always assumed the Wraith were some genetic experiment crossing humans with those bugs that went horribly wrong.
It wasn't hinted, it was outright said Wraith were iratius bug/human hybrids.
Only thing left blank was weather they were a unintended byproduct of the Ancients seeding every planet in the galaxy with human life, a natural evolution of the bugs feeding on humans over thousands of years, or an experiment.
shits either purged or hidden away deep on Atlantis and theres not may Wraith old enough to know or willing to tell and neither are the Ancients
Atlantis worked so well because damned near the entire cast was really likable. Teyla sucked because she was basically Teal'c-lite, but no where near as well thought out or interesting.
The thing that bugged me most about her was that she didn't fit in with any of her own god damned people. Her people were mostly white, dressed differently, didn't talk with her accent or inflections, weren't a warrior people, and didn't fight like she did. So why the fuck did she? There was no reason for her to be this random warrior lady.
Feel bad for that guy they replaced to bring him on, (Dallas? Houston? Ford? I forget what his name was) but Ronan was a great addition to the show, badly needed alien badass. He's a fucking wraith-hunter. Took all of two episodes for me to warm up to him.
Teyla looked too much like a body builder for my tastes anyway. Massive jaw, and very obvious implants.
Really enjoyed all the other characters though. I loved the running joke about Shepherd thinking he was Kirk, especially that bit where the Ancient chick reveals she followed them back because she was in love with Shepherd and Mackay just goes "My god, he is Kirk!"
Mackay really made the show too, and virtually every addition they made to the cast was great as well. Shame they killed off the Scottish doctor. His banter with Mackay was fantastic.
There was also the episode where Todd ended up having to go to an Iratius queen or something of the sort.
And wasn't it also stated that it was an unintended sideeffect of seeding the pegasus galaxy?
I never really considered it before, but holy shit you're right. Teyla doesn't look like any of her people at all.
I mean, hell, Heyerdal plays one of the people from her village.
Heyerdal later on played Todd.
Last time I rewatched SG-1 and Atlantis, I was stunned at how many times certain actors show up as different people in the series, even within the same series. You'll probably recognize the mug of pic related, he showed up in all of the Stargate series, multiple times as different people. Guy's face is everywhere in the series.
Actually recognizing that they reuse actors is what puts Atlantis over sg1. Most of the background characters reappear all the time but Atlantis is the only one that Gabe them characters and made them useful.
I think the only time sg1 ever talked about them was having that one worthless scientist, and the time they spend a whole goddamn episode training these recruits and giving them personalities and back story only to kill them off 2 episodes later
Honestly, I kinda want to retcon the end of the series. Just for the simple fact that they killed off the Asgard.
I always wanted the series to end with this big alliance between Earth, the Tok'rah, the Asgard, the Nox, and all the other cool alien species they met throughout the series, like that species that had technology that let them warp space so they could walk through walls and cloak stuff and such, and those reptile aliens Daniel befriended, and even those aliens that shapeshift to make you think you know them.
Loved how on Atlantis they had an Asgard on one of their ships. Especially when he'd get grumpy about decisions SGC were making.
I always pictured a follow-up series where the team consisted of that clone of O'Neill, Teal'cs son, one of those reptile people, and some hot young scientist chick.
I found out by accident when I was checking out if Heyerdal was related to THE Heyerdal.
That's part of the charm honestly.
As for Mike D, I'm trying to remember his different roles in SG1/A/U.
He was a bountyhunter in SGA I think? Don't really remember what he's been in SG-1.
He had a rather large role in SGU as a Lucien alliance "badguy who's really a goodguy" thing.
And there's the fat scientist guy who's useless as shit and gets seduced by QT3.14159 claiming they play WoW.
And that smug looking other useless Scientist guy.
Man SG1 had the worst fucking sidecast ever holy shit.
SG1 was better with guest-stars than recurring background characters. They did have a couple sexy doctor chicks though. I liked how because one of the Deluise's was a producer on the show, eventually all of them guest-starred in one capacity or another. Except for the one that played Carter's boyfriend.
>That's part of the charm honestly.
Yeah, I don't mind it, it just amuses me to see a familiar face show up. His roles in SG-1 weren't as big as in Atlantis and Universe. He played some russian officer and later on in season 9 or 10 a Lucian alliance mercenary.
if you ever notice, Heyerdal is a fucking amazing actor.
>Todd on SGA (not to mention all his other appearances)
>The Swede on Hell on Wheels
>Bigfoot and John Druit on Sanctuary
>introduce evil asguard
>introduce an evil cyborg race invading an alternate universe Pegasus Galaxy
>both supposed to play a role in a Season 6 of Atlantis
>cancelled and forgotten for SGU
The entire Lucian alliance thing pissed me off, but then again, post S7 SG-1 just didn't feel like SG-1 anymore.
I wouldn't call them evil. They just put their own self preservation above all else.
I've really taken a liking to The 100.
Though their makeup artists really need to learn how to make people completely pale holy shit in like every scene you can see the natural skintone shine through.
Oh fuck the alternate timeline cyborgs. I completely forgot about those.
Man fuck SyFy
>Battlestar Galactica (newer series)
You should watch the original too, it's good, if dated. The reimagined BSG is great and well-paced, if a bit heavy on drama.
Only watch Caprica if BSG makes you a huge fan and you're hungry for more background. Caprica is a drama series set in pre-fall BSG universe, the sci-fi element is often an afterthought and it doesn't really feel like BSG as it lacks the grit. There are some threads that tie the two series together though, and the last 5 minutes of the last episode are delicious.
No, just fucking no. I made it to the end of the first season and i'm never going back for seconds. That shit feels like it's made for teenage girls who love their drama and love triangles.
Nevermind the fact that almost all the characters are complete retards.
SGU got good once they got past the power struggle shit. It was actually going places.
If they hadn't alienated viewers during season one and just started with season 2, they could have had a genuinely good show running.
>master called me an earthaboo shol'va today
>I just want to watch wormhole X-treme
Well, in the stargate fiction they are pretty much the best at what they do. But the real thing is, Richard Dean Anderson was made an honorary Air Force brigadier general for his portrayal in the show.
Carter was an airforce pilot in addition to her astrophysics PHD and she flew in the Gulf War, plus she had astronaut training. Both those require a high degree of mechanical expertise. I don't think Carter was ever as good as Daniel at cryptology though, she made up for it with programming.
McKay was just a genius at everything. I think in his backstory he was originally suppose to be with SG1 instead of Carter.
Apparently the expenses for sci-fi shows are such that it makes them an extremely risky undertaking. The sets, stunts, special effects, CG, makeup etc. take so much more time and resources than in more grounded shows that if a network does pick you up, the show needs to do fantastic numbers right off the bat or you get cancelled mid-season. These days the focus is on stuff like Supernatural which can do away with some of the requirements such as elaborate sets.
SGU was apparently one of the most expensive per episode sci-fi shows ever made, if not the most expensive. People believed in the combination of Stargate fame and BSG style, and when it failed, networks felt that space operas were done making money.
Sci-fi bloomed in an age of early space exploration and the hope and idealism that mankind would travel the stars. The crushing reality of how impossible that dream was coupled with the growing materialism of the world and impracticality of it put science fiction in an early grave. No one cares about Scifi anymore because it's too contradictory to reality while trying to present itself as somewhat realistic. The only ones that survive are the "Sci-fi" stories like Star Wars that heavily inject fantasy elements into their stories.
We're alone in the universe, we'll die before we ever reach the stars, and even if we do manage to settle other worlds in our system we'll limp along slowly between them since FTL is impossible and we'll eek out a meager existence until the fateful day when the sun supernovas and exterminates the human race.There will never be an SG-1 embarking on adventures or a space station with all sorts of unique life visiting it, nor will there ever be bounty hunters or magnanimous captains traversing the stars like people used to dream and idealize.
To put it in a short way, it's like the old Victorian stories of life on the moon. They only thrived at the time because it was a mystery that people could indulge in. When we found out the moon was a barren rock, the entire notion died out overnight. Some stories might still exist, sure, but they tend to be chided for such a silly concept like life on the moon. That same effect happened to science-fiction as a whole. Dreaming of things like that is silly and pointless when reality is such a hard truth.
I had a feeling you were talking about Mathboy, but it's been ages since I watched the ending and I wrongly remembered it to be Rush sacrificing himself in the end.
SGU had a lot of issues.
There was a few good episodes though. I quite liked the timeloop one.
FTL is stupid, you don't want FTL travel. Warp holes, closing the gap. That is how we will travel through space. Give it 100-200 years, we went from covered wagons to space flight in less than a century. We won't live to see it, but doesn't mean our ancestors won't. We were born at the wrong time, only thing we can hope for is genetic augmentation curing cancer and disease in our life time. maybe it will give us another 20 years.
I honestly miss SGU if for no other reason than the weekly /tv/ threads about Rush fixing the Galactica
>dat time crazy nigga went off screen for 5 minutes and comes back having Mcguyvered up a flamethrower
Wraith ships 1 one 1 while powerful just didn't have the shielding to take on the likes of Ori, Earth, or even Asguard ships
Though the wraiths trump card was huge numbers and fast, relentless, hardhitting firepower.
Give the wraith a couple of ZPMs and they can literally raise up enough grunt troops and ships to completely conquer a galaxy
I think they wanted to portray other civilizations thought process through weapons. Projectile weapons that humans created came across as guns, gould staf weapons, and a scorpion stun rifle. It was a low budget way to the most exotic design.
I actually have trouble coming up with weapons that might have come from other races. Shouldn't always translate to guns.
realistically the only way we could traverse the void of space is if we transcend our mortal bodies. Even if we did use warp holes, human bodies were simply not made to inhabit space, the more time we spend in space the more time it would take to adjust to planetary life again. Not to mention space is fucking dangerous.
The Ori don't fucking count, honestly.
Evil Ancients/Alterans using another offspring of humanity as their slaves while also giving them any tech they need is fucking bullshit.
Though I would argue that a hiveship with a ZPM would tear an Ori ship apart.
We wouldn't, robots would and transmit the information back to us. Also a real turning point is when an ai finally becomes self aware. As long as we have enough space for the information it can produce, it's progression would be nigh infinite.
Yeah, I imagine we are going to end up like ghost in a shell. We won't be human anymore, but I am sure there will be still some left. But I don't know how exactly it would work.
The day we become so advanced we simaltaneoulsy make the human race extinct, to a degree. We would still "live" on through machines, but it really gets down on the metaphysical level, what does it mean to be human. And are you really the machine? Or just the machine that is able to impersonate you perfectly.
There will always be outliers. Even if the technological singularity means the end of human-driven technological advance and a merger between man and machine, there will always be the hippies, the luddites and the uninformed who will opt out to live biological human lives on earth.
I like the idea of a small amount of people choosing to stay behind and start over from scratch on earth, while those who made the leap do the responsible, "humane" thing and look after them without interfering in their lives. Earth would be out of bounds, a reservate for nature, while the machine men mine the asteroid belt for what they need and look out towards other solar systems to settle.
Plus you have to think, If humans break that gap between man and machine. It is going to be expensive, and only the rich will have them. If a machine, which I hope to holy fuck breaks that gap then I hope it would be more open to the fact.
There is also the possibility, that the machine would think it is god, destroy everything or leave the planet and us behind. There is no telling what would happen when the singularity happens.
The original movie was the best Stargate anything.
The fact Kurt Russel seemed like a generic "SHUT IT DOWN" Military dude and then ended up a real good guy by the end, makes it one of the better sci fi movies made.
That and I'm a sucker for Egyptian shit.
>It is going to be expensive
Unlikely and up to debate. By the time we'll be able to meld with our technology, we will have been forced into a resource economy by the automation we're currently witnessing. Traditional capitalism and market economies simply won't be able to cope with tech-induced job loss. There won't be many jobs that a computer can't do for free and better in 20 years time. IBM's Watson isn't the endgame by far, it's just the beginning.
Whether the resource economy arises peacefully or is preceded by a decade of misery due to inaction on humanity's part is the main question. However, in a resource-based economy poverty and drastic income equality don't make sense; they would have to be forced upon people by someone with immense power in a highly decentralized world.
If you're alive in 2050, you'll probably either merge or watch the computers go it alone and leave humans twiddling their thumbs down on earth. No one exactly knows how all this progress culminates, but what researchers have noticed lately that it's all been exponential all along, and we're just now approaching the big upward curve.
All this provided, of course, that humanity doesn't just opt to blow itself off the face of the earth in the near future.
I'm with this dude.
Replicators were only driven by a basic instinct to thrive and multiply and consume everything they could. There was no reasoning with them.
And then came along that dude Fifth? Fives?