What was that about Two Coles you fucking hypocrites?
All-Stars was a flawed as fuck game, but your criticism was always the worst. "Make it more like Smash!" "Make it less like Smash"
I can't say Two Pits are honestly much better. It's the same situation.
fucking dark pit is a waste
Two Coles was the least of Sony Smash Bros' roster problems. Big Daddy and Donte are the first 2 to come to mind. And even then, the roster was just one of the game's many, many problems.
And I'm not a Nintendrone, I got the fucking steelbook version as soon as it came out for fuck's sake. I really wanted it to be good.
Well I certainly won't, and I post with a trip, so call me a hypocrite IF i defend dark pit, but not before.
Also cole and dark cole weren't the only things people complained about with sony smash.
This. sony has never once contributed anything good to the industry. Their consoles were terrible and had no games, and their fanbase ruined video games by accepting bad practices like DLC and cinematic games.
Cool opinion. Too bad the PS4 is outselling everything by miles.
>any playstation console
Wow, they've got you guys brainwashed pretty good.
Pretty much this.
I'd rather have Dark cole, Good Cole, and a Neutral Cole over ONE donte da xXdemonkillerXx.
Well maybe people wouldn't bash those who play sony smash if the people who play sony smash didn't make bold statements like "its better than melee".
The Project M faggots would be disagree about it even being better than Brawl, and they think that game is utter shit.
yeah but you're right though, Second Son is the best
>WE COULD HAVE HAD DART AND ABE
>WE GOT BIG DADDY AND DONTE INSTEAD
I'M STILL MAD AND I WILL ALWAYS BE MAD.
I don't recall a single fucking person on /v/ claim it was better than melee other than obvious "bait" threads.
There's no way anyone can compete with what Sakurai crams into his games, people know better.
>Dark Cole has a completely unique moveset and unique models for alternate costumes, which took away development time that could have gone towards characters people actually wanted
>development time that could have gone towards Dart and Abe
>Dark Pit is a last minute addition that's literally a recolor with some of Pit's old moves from Brawl
Actually it's much better.
Pitt is an interesting character and dark pitt isn't the wario of the kid icarus franchise, dark pitt isn't actually "dark", he's just a more rebel individual.
Also the games have a gigantic amount of weapons and move sets, they could (hopefully) play completely different.
Bald superhero dude and dark bald superhero dude however...
You remind me of the fat kid at school who interrupted everyone's conversations to make shitty jokes.
Guess what? Everyone hated that kid. Everyone.119
Yet Dark Pit is okay because Sony fucked up. Keep in mind I'm not defending All-Stars for their shit mistakes. Their third party choices were awful, but the jabs at Cole were baseless.
I have it for the games I can not play on PC or Wii, like most fighting games and
Actually bought a PS3 solely for AR, and even imported the game from japan for 100 dollars when i heard NA had to wait til January.
I was not disappointed
>I don't think anyone here likes the idea of two pits.
I have see Uprisingfags defending it actually
>m-muh weapon list!
>i-it takes no time to develop clones
>h-he was going to be as a costume anyway
Pure fucking cancer.
What joke? The Ps3 doesn't have a single good game.
Anarchy Reigns is sony shovelware though. Why would you buy it? I thought you had better taste REDS.
We dont know what he plays like. sure he's a reskin but theres potential for him to have different moves entirely and not just be a Dr Mario/Ganondorf/Toon Link/Falco/Roy/Lucina
>didn't play Kid Icarus Uprising
You're all a bunch of hivemind faggots
Well then they're faggots.
On par with sonysmash faggots.
>Anarchy Reigns is sony shovelware though.
It was made by platinum and was available to xbox360 aswell.
>I thought you had better taste REDS.
Guilty pleasure I guess.
I'm sure YOU have a video game you enjoy that a lot of people think is bad.
It's still a terrible game. If Nintendo had control over it, it would've been a little better, because Nintendo actually has quality control. You will never find a bad game or even a mediocre one on a Nintendo system. They know what quality is.
>Yeah, they're separate characters except they're completely the same in every way.
>people ITT don't know about the big focus on customization in Smash4
Dark Pit's okay because he didn't take away precious development time and resources that could have gone towards a good character, he's last minute roster padding. Takes less effort than other clones since he doesn't even need a unique model.
>All of them sucked. Not a single one compared to what you could get on Nintendo's systems.
cute. the n64 had jackshit for games. and I agree Final Fantasy suddenly sucked when it became a playstation exclusive. Same with Kingdom Hearts, Persona and Gta.
> If Nintendo had control over it,
I think you mean if "Sakurai" did because Nintendo doesn't know how to do Smash. Hal could probably do it. Sony fucked up by giving a newbie the chance to make the game. Should have been Naughty Dog or something.
>Calling others hivemind faggots
>the n64 had jackshit for games.
You're either a RPGfag or just trying to start shit.
I'd rather have wolf over dark pit, then again, we don't know his moveset or playstyle yet.
>Modern Naughty Dog
You're right, a literal recolor of Pit with slightly different move properties will take the EXACT AMOUNT OF EFFORT AND RESOURCES as fucking Hades, Magnus, Medusa, Phosphora or some other character who needs a unique model and moveset.
WATCH HOW MUCH OF A CLONE NINTENDO IS GOING TO MAKE HIM. YOU THINK THEY'LL BE ORIGINAL AND USE DIFFERENT THINGS FROM HIS BOSS FIGHT? FUCKING PLEASE, JUST LOOK AT WOLF, LUCAS, LUCINA, AND GANONDORF
Seriosuly, are you guys fucking retarded? You people who are defending Dark Pit honestly believe Sakurai will give him his own move set and not just give hi. pits move set with minor tweaks? Fucking idiots, have fun knowing the character you like so much ends up being a clone out of shitty laziness
PS1 had more games, it just had quantity over quality.
Aside from SotN there isn't a game that compares to most of the N64's good games, least I can't think of any.
you know sakurai has messed up when sony fans are on our asses
Dude Dark Pit is just an alternate outfit with a slot, meaning he's just an extra slot due to the non-existent effort that went into making him and it just means that Pit will have 24 specials to choose from rather than 12 due to each character having 12 specials in total.
Meanwhile the 2 Coles have completely different movesets, meaning that they take up 2 slots since they're based on time and effort rather than an arbitrary set number like people seem to think for some reason.
The Heavy Rain guy would be a joke character right?
>level 3 super
>A giant X appears
>If you get the timing right you shout a JAYYYYYYYSHUN so powerful it kills everyone in screen
Know what I want to see?
Microsoft make a xBox Smash ripoff.
We can bash dark pit and dark cole all day long, but i think both sides know if there was a 360smash game it'll be an amazing trainwreck to watch.
Good thing Smash has their own Banjo to counter.
Read what I've been saying in that comment chain.
I'm saying ps1 had games, just not the quality of N64 games.
Wikipedia lists off quite a few.
You calling me a sonybr0ny just shows how little attention you're paying to the thread. The quality of posts is extremely important to this community. Contributors are encouraged to provide high-quality images and informative comments.
Still no Boonie Bears leak huh? Guess i'll wait.
We get it. No need to be all salty about it.
There are literally hundreds of ways you could have gone about this. But nope, not for you mister megaphone, go off and swear like a sailor.
Kids these days and their naughty words.
>Why are you listing wikipedia as a legitimate source? That renders your whole argument void.
I am being trolled.
Know what gave it away?
If you were serious you would say me being a tripfag would make my whole argument void
I've been around the block enough times, learn to be more of a faggot and next time I might fall for it.
You're still not naming any of these supposed "games" that the nogamestation had. Sorry if this shocks you sony fans, but sometimes you need a red pill from the lies that sony feeds you.
READY TO GET DISAPPOINTED?
Blasto, Uberhero, and Ellen from Folklore were on the concept roster. There were a bunch more in pic related.
Ryu Hayabusa and Lightning were in the game but it was too close to release and instead of delay, Sony made them release it. In order to make them fit. Superbot tried to bargain for DLC rights to make it work but Techmo said no and as such Ryu was removed. Thanks to the shitty rivals feature, Lightning had to go too.
Namco and Irrational were the ONLY third parties actually interested in putting forth some effort into making the game. Ken Levine wrote Big Daddy's dialogue and story, and Namco recorded all of Heihachi's lines so that the Japanese would be correct.
Conversely, Capcom told Superbot to take new Dante and hit the road. They couldn't even make the most out of the game because it wasn't out yet so they legitimately could only use what was shown in the trailers. No joke.
Snake AND Raiden were supposed to be in the game. Then Konami wanted to advertise MGR and Kojima didn't ever want to see them fight because BEST FRANZ.
Lara Croft is not in the game because the devs wanted her to be playable in her own game before getting put into a crossover. Admirable but disappointing.
Spyro and Crash are not in for multiple reasons. One, Activision is a giant jew and wanted more money than Superbot could even hope to offer. Two, there was some bullshit about "multiplatform" mascots and being in All Stars would make them "seem as though they were better on Playstation."
Because Activision is currently pumping Crash games, right?
Ico and Wander were out because the devs are pretentious and don't want their characters associated with fun.
Tau was cut for reasons unknown.
SSM has dropped all support after a lackluster patch and hasn't even finished the Zeus and Isaac DLC they are selling for full price. Zeus got in because he costed little to implement and EA was looking for advert handjobbing.
>Same thing as Smash or All-Stars
>Sony could afford Activision's deals to put Spyro and Crash because they are in so much debt.
>yfw Activision runs over to Nintendo and gives them a upgraded model of old Spyro and Crash due to debuts in the GBA series
>Spryo is a top secret assist trophy and Crash is one of last trophies to collect
(Conker and Banjo are the last two)
>all them tears of joy when everybody finds out
>all them PSASBR tears when their potential reps got stolen again by Nintendo.
Boonie Bears confirmed for Smash. See, They even have their alt costumes leaked.
remember that leak that said that twice the amount of characters could fill in there? That was cute. it had like Spyro and Final Fantasy guy and Sora and shit and it was cute because those aren't owned by Sony but then I looked at the existing roster.
Why is the art so shit?
>shitting on LBP and valkyria chronicles
Remember how Robot Chicken did both All-Stars and Smash?
>i think both sides know if there was a 360smash game it'll be an amazing trainwreck to watch.
too bad Mattrick isn't here to crash the train.
unlike Sony, they have the money to obtain other reps that contributed to the Xbox
They were. They were in more concept art and they were talked about.
Also, here's something to show you just how little sway Superbot had in ANYTHING.
Ty the Tasmanian Tiger was talked about and Krome was willing but Sony said no. In fact, they weren't even able to get Croc.
Was dark cole a recycled clone of cole, or did they have unique movesets?
Because if there is a defense of dark pit, it is that they probably just copy and pasted pit for more variety. If they gave dark cole his own moveset, they just wasted resources to make an edgy double
>>liking sony IPs
I just said it was a game.
Are you some sonygger trying to make nintendo fans look bad? You're being less logical than a dotard.
2cole was made worse because inFamous was the only IP with 2 characters representing due to Sucker Punch being a little bitch. Every other franchise got 1.
I also heard that MonkeyPaw Games offered to get Superbot in contact with the original creator of Tomba to get that character in the game. But again, Sony refused or some shit.
Bald Qiang also confirmed for Smash. He's a screenshot of his final smash.
Bullshit excuse. By that logic, we should be pissed Kid Icarus has three reps while Metroid and DK are stuck with two.
Oh wait, we are.
>Are you some sonygger trying to make nintendo fans look bad?
Are you kidding? People who support playstation consoles do a good enough of making themselves look bad. Stop falseflagging just to make sony fans seem good, trip user.
>Stop falseflagging just to make sony fans seem good, trip user.
Cole and Evil Cole were actually rather different. The only moves they truly shared were the Level 1 super, the standard square, the electric grind, the electric shots, and the tether. Everything else was either a different move entirely or a vastly different execution.
Uprising was a great game. Dark Pit was great in the game, but he's a fucking bad choice for smash, He should be just an alt skin for Pit. Why on earth is he his own character?
At least i hope that Sakurai makes good use of him givinh him the weapons the Pit doesn't use and gives him a completely different moveset
>Graphics don't matter, except when it's a Sony game
Same goddamned argument I hear when I try to discuss Sonic. You fags just hate it because it's not Mario.
>art over gameplay
No, you just don't like a game with good gameply AND good aesthetics, which is why you cling to autistic drivel like Maleo and Kahby and shit all over great games like DKC, LBP, and Sanic.
>they didn't even spend money on original compositions
Still a good selection. Eat shit.
/v/ - Nintendo
Uprising didn't need a third rep to begin with. A series that has had one game in the past twenty years, and that Sakurai himself said would no be getting a sequel for another twenty years, DOES NOT NEED THREE FUCKING REPS. EVEN TWO REPS WAS PUSHING IT. DARK PIT IS IN JUST FOR THE SAKE OF BEING IN.
The sass that'll kick your ass. Boonie Bears confirmed for Smash!
Did you see the peach?
Why didn't they just use a barbie?
I'll be okay with edgy Pit if he got a good set, maybe something involving the staff?
As much as I love Uprising, any other character in the game could've had a chance at a slot instead of a clone.
I fucking love you guys.
I for one welcome our new Angel overlord, since he's with Viridi. It'd be interesting to see what weapons from Uprising he uses, hopefully the same ones from his boss stage (Ogre Club, EZ Cannon, Dark Pit Staff, Violet Palm, First Blade)
>>Graphics don't matter, except when it's a Sony game
What? Graphics don't matter period. Especially when they sacrifice 60fps for it. Which they did, hence the game is 30fps and considered art over gameplay.
art = graphics, gameplay = framerate.
Is that really so hard ot understand?
>No, you just don't like a game with good gameply AND good aesthetics
Literally out of over 100 platformers I've played in my entire life LBP is the biggest turd, has the worst, most inconsistent, controls ever.
>AND good aesthetics
>which is why you cling to autistic drivel like Maleo and Kahby and shit all over great games like DKC, LBP, and Sanic.
You shit? Sonic games have always been mediocre at best. If you can't tell they use some shitty physics engine that breaks the game during normal gameplay already.
Also I don't even know what the fuck you just said in that sentence, stop sperging out.
>Still a good selection. Eat shit.
Yeah I can just listen to those songs on Youtube. It shows they don't care about creating a game.
I literally never mentioned Nintendo even once. And I happened to enjoy DKC and certain Sonic (Despite them being flawed) games, but LBP is just a turd.
A big fucking piece of turd.
This nigga knows
>You will never have Pit and Dark Pit compete to be the one to make you cum
Played All Stars the other day for the first time and... Well, shitty game.
The combat system is just silly: hit the enemy till your power bar is full and YOU CAN ONLY WIN if you make a special move and hit the enemy... What?
Just make a life bar, this special move=KO system is unfair...
What if I get killed and the second I respawn into battle, someone make a new special and kill me twice? Stupid...
And why do I need a level 3 special bar? You can earn KO,s just by making the first special...
Choose Donte and his level 1 special can kill the other 3 players if in one hit if they are distracted...
The collision detection is so poor.
When you hit an enemy with a combo, they start to float like balloons... Played only for a short time, don`t know if you can make a combo breaker or a counterattack.
All the levels are the same: LOOK THIS PEACEFUL PLACE... OH NO, A GIANT ROBOT IS ATTACKING THE CITY!!!
It made me laugh the fucking 5th it happened....
I liked the 3 Crash Bandicoot games on Ps1, but you can`t say that they are 3D platformers.
Tried the first Spyro game but it was boring as hell (and at that time I was playing Super MArio 64 and the Spyro controls made me cry)
And I remember a platform game where you control a little spider armed with a machine gun, was fun. And The Wild 9s, from Dave Perry was pretty fun too... But yeah, this Sony Smash is a lazy piece of shit.
Not only that, the two Coles actually had different moves. No, not the Super Smash Brothers version of different moves as in this one is a bit faster and a bit weaker, they had literally completely different moves that did totally different things. 10 bucks says Dark Pit is a fucking clone.
>No, not the Super Smash Brothers version of different moves as in this one is a bit faster and a bit weaker
Confirmed, Samus and Zero-suit Samus have the same moveset with only minor tweaks.
You're a moron
Needs more. I'd say Quote is a must. Iji could be the obscure rep. Lemeza might come off a bit like Spelunker in looks but you could make him completely different by basing him off his game. Isaac would be a pretty good choice too.
>Dante's Level 1 killing anything
The only use that has is Empty Cancel shenanigans and even then it's marginally useful at best.
Level 3 is his only reliable means for getting kills.
>Sakurai purposely leaves out bits from Kirby so that his own series doesn't overshadow others
>Sakurai hamfistedly inserts characters and enemies from his latest game
If they were to take anything from PSASBR, it should've been the idea of mixing franchises together for stages. That was so fucking awesome, and I'm sure it's gone across Sakurai's mind at least a few times during development.
Everyone thinks Dark Pit is stupid.
He's better than Cole because he's an effortless clone in a game with 54 characters instead of having a unique moveset and eating up resources in a game that barely managed to have more than 20 characters, but both are pretty offensive.
He was the least of PSAS's problems though.
>Sakurai hamfistedly inserts characters and enemies from his latest game
And to pour salt in the wounds-
>ignores newer stuff from Kirby games because he's still salty about leaving HAL
>Doc is worth it just because he doesn't have fucking FLUDD.
As someone who is probably going to main Dr. Mario just because he won't have the FLUDD, no he's still not fucking worth it. He's just Mario is a god damn coat.
She's the exact same character. One just has a suit, the other doesn't.
You said Cole was bad because it's the same guy with two different movesets. Are you being a hypocrite right now?
I really liked some of the level designs in the game. I think that the Jak level was nice and I liked the one that had RAY attack. Some of the others were pretty nice as well, and a few were on par with Smash
The difference is that Good Cole and Evil Cole actually had some different moves. Marth and Lucina have no differences in movesets, and I'm sure Pit and Dark Pit will be the same way.
Believe it or not, PSASBR actually did something better than Smash 4.
Nobody defends two pits, but the difference is that smash roster is actually good even if you ignore those two characters.
While all stars has this little problem in which the roster is fucking shit
24 characters, many of them from multiplats/third parties.
Almost all are from first-party, save a couple truly iconic characters.
37 characters and counting, before leaks.
Sony Smash would be a lot easier to forgive if it was any good, which it wasn't.
>many characters are third party
Only four of them are, and they were shit. Truth be told Sony did a good job picking characters from their history that, ya'know, they own.
The problem is you guys wants characters they don't own whatsoever.
Compare with brawl, where Snake was in because Kojima begged and Sonic was in because Sega is a Nintendo dev in all but name nowadays.
>Truth be told Sony did a good job picking characters from their history that, ya'know, they own.
>The problem is you guys wants characters they don't own whatsoever.
Which is why it was a weak idea in the first place. Why make a game in the style of Smash if you don't have the kind of cast that draws in interest?
It also managed to toe the line between ripping off Smash and making stupid changes from it in the worst possible way.
Played it at a friend's place the other day for the first time too, don't really like it. Really, it's mostly the specials being KO moves part that really irks me.
But I admit I did have a really fun time once I picked Toro and the other 3 tried to chase me to prevent me from sleeping.