Alright, hold on.
So we got video footage, and there's no denying that footage is legit. So Shulk and Bowser Jr confirmed, sure, sure.
But why are we exactly believing the full roster? He's like an opponent of JC; he doesn't have a single fact to back that up. Coupled with Yoshi's weird as fuck placement and the trivial way the leaker went about with DLC, I feel like this is part of a ruse. Besides, wasn't there confirmation that Dr. Mario was just a photoshop job done on an existing Mario model?
After seeing the footage I pretty much believe that the characters before us are all real, including Doc. But I also believe that there are more characters/stages to unlock
>weird placement in characters and stages, as you mentioned
>All Star Mode locked
>all of this footage take with the same save file (ESRB0008)
We shall see in like a week once a Japanese reviewer spills the roster.
>Maybe they stay at the bottom until the full roster is unlocked.
Maybe. But why on earth would they send ESRB an incomplete roster? I don't quite understand the logic there.
The other thing bothering me is why the ESRB leaker knows about DLC. He can't possibly know that.
If the ESRB just wants to see the most suggestive content, why would they need to see the full roster?
Maybe the ESRB got multiple videos and this was just one of them
Playing devils advocate here because I want ridley in the game but I do think its weird for them to not show the ESRB a creepy space dragon that could scare children.
Hopefully it's not all of them but honestly I don't know why the ESRB would have a picture of PART of the roster, kinda defeats the purpose of rating the game if only some things are unlocked. The holes on the sides could just be a stylistic thing because the roster number doesn't create a nice shape, not to mention all the third party reps make a nice bottom row.
The only thing that argues against a fully unlocked roster is the clones being all scattered which is definitely weird but it could just be sloppy placement, Sakurai isn't perfect.
Lucas is gone and no K Rool, Dixie or Ridley in sight. My hopes are low
Because the image dump matches the CSS. The lower part of the CSS matches and Wario's trophy is the same pose. The videos also have matching portraits from the CSS. On top of that, it matches the Vaanrose leak. The placements can be solved if there are more characters to be unlocked.
The better question is "why exactly is anyone not believing the full roster" because there isn't exactly a good reason to think any image evidence of this leak is fake.
the character select screen matches. So far everything in this image dump is consistent with pic of the day images, so it's hard to believe the leaker faked a single part of it. Dark Pit is there, you can see Dr Mario in the corner on the same spot next to WFT, and there's a shot of a Wario trophy that matches up with his pose on the character select screen. That only leaves Duck Hunt Dog (which the Vaanrose leak said is in) and some veterans (which Ness, ROB, G+W) which the Vaanrose leak also didn't mention are cut. The full roster images we've seen are legit.
The ESRB leaked the roster twice. Put two and two together and we have the complete roster.
That's why I mentioned put two and two together. The roster could've leaked separate info on the roster. Duck Hunt, Dark Pit and Doctor Mario get mentioned the 2nd time they leak something.
Since we have alts and tag team characters getting separated (PKMN Trainer and Zelda/Sheik) we could just get a single playable Ice Climber while Nana gets to be an alt with her own color costumes. It makes more sense then just cutting them both.
That would make sense. Sakurai is paranoid as fuck, and probably expected Bowser Jr., Shulk, etc. to have been revealed by now, so if it leaked anyways, it wouldn't spoil the whole roster.
Why would he decide now was the time to make the CSS look shitty and disorganized after three games of it looking completely fine? Going by every previous Smash game only having their rosters look like this partway through unlocking everything it makes more sense to me that this isn't the full roster.
What if sakurai deliberately leaked this footage to make us all think this is all there is to the roster so when we unlock someone not on it we are even more surprised?
Has nobody else realized that the images in the video are from different points of progression?
>Barbara trophy is 6 out of 11
>Medusa trophy is 502 out of 686
The stage select screen could have been from any point.
I completely agree with you OP
If I got footage of the game leaked I totally would use it to make rooster, and add in a couple of fake characters to fuck with people.
Better yet, if I'm believed even to the point where the game comes out, people could spend hours trying to figure out ways to unlock my fake charcter.
Truly I would ascend into godhood of "That kid"
Don't you find it suspicious that even the Japanese Corocoro magazine doesn't mention Ridley? In a tell-all about stuff we know already, why hide Ridley? Japan doesn't even have hype for Ridley, so why hide it from them?
I'm sorry, but this whole Ridley situation is fucking insane. Anyone denying it and saying it's just like Yellow Devil is delusional.
>wasn't there confirmation that Dr. Mario was just a photoshop job done on an existing Mario model?
Some aspects you may have missed:
In these leaked images:
1. The Wario trophy is in the exact same pose as the Wario in the roster picture.
2. On the Dark Pit selection picture, right up in the corner above Sonic is Mario, and the picture background for that Mario is also red. Just like the Dr. Mario in the roster leak.
Also, the strange placements can make sense if all the characters haven't been unlocked yet.
Personally, I feel the placements being "strange" is a more reliable assumption to make then "the ESRB are definitely the ones that looked at it, and it definitely had all the characters unlocked"
Well you don't have to show them everything, if they did the videos would be hours long. All they need is a general idea of the content in the game and a look at the most mature stuff which is why they have all the close up shots of tits and ass in the trophies. For instance there's no need for them to see Lucas with Ness on the roster since they are pretty much the same.
As long as the characters they are holding back aren't anything that could impact the rating (for example: Snake) it doesn't really matter. They only view the most objectionable content in a game to determine the rating (look at the trophies that were leaked, they all focus on either plot and backstory, or religious references). Also, the ESRB doesn't have the power to ban games, at worst they get pissy at Nintendo and re-rate the game to T.
I wanted Lucas too man, but it's time to let go
The strange character placement was actually one of the things that made me doubt that the roster is not fake. I mean, if I wanted to make a fake roster, I'd put the characters like they've always been and wouldn't change them up to make people call it fake. Placing Lucina, Dr Mario and Dark Pit next to each other is even something I can see Sakurai do, since they are literal clones with the same moveset and that play almost the same as their originals (unlike someone like Ganondorf, who is a Falcon clone, yet plays completely differently). He might emphasize that they are costume clones and are simply bonus characters, because he knows that there are stupid people who think that there are limited slots.
The other thing that made me wary was the thicker black line glitch
Who's to say the esrb didn't? We know all star mde was locked. Either the roster was being unlocked as the video went on or they were sent a video with some stuff not even they were meant to have footage of, but sill disclosed in a read out.
Since I find the first more likely, they probably gave the kid an image of the incomplete roster. Can we be 100% sure of this? No. However the locked all star mode is proof that the esrb did not have a video with the entire roster unlocked tfor the entire thing.
He's most likely redesigned to be a cross between Other M and Brawl Ridley. I don't think he'll be that scary looking. Kids would be happy just to have another cool dragon.
Since the roster wasn't finished and due to how they've been handling Ridley, nobody can say this for sure.
That reasoning doesn't make any sense though going by every other Smash. There's no reason for Yoshi to right in the middle of the Mario characters or for the clones to be separate when they aren't in the others. It looks like how the roster of every Smash looks before all the characters are unlocked, disorganized with some characters being in really odd places.
They happened to be in that build? Who the fuck knows?
They shouldn't still be modeling a boss months out. Games tend to go gold months before release. Usually the time leading up is for balancing and minor stuff, not something major like an important aspect of a stage.
>Adds in melee clone vet no one wants back
>does not add in melee original clone vet everyone wants back
At this point you just have to concluded hes fucking with us.
Well it comes out Holiday Season, which is still 3+ months after the other smash is released. Plus, with the huge team (this one has a big team iirc) who are focused on one game I think it shouldn't be too unbelievable that they can finish the other stuff on the Wii U version afterwards.
>done on an existing Mario model?
There are still a lot of other things that don't seem right. For instance, in the video where they show Shulk's victory screen, Lucina doesn't move. Like, at all. There is also the fact that the Miis in Multiman Brawl don't have emblems on their back (as seen in the last batch of official screens), "Supersized" being spelled wrong and the trophies being generally off.
I just think that's reaching, especially since it's a stage we've seen in game for over a year now. Plus they at least had him in a state where he could fly and move back in April. I find it really fucking hard to believe that they don't even have a finished model to show by now.
Ridley being a boss is nothing special or surprising thus no reason to not have talked about him by now for how long its been since they teased the shadow. I know you want him a boss and I admit that's all he could be. But you have to admit that with how he's been handled he has a shot to be playable, even if slim.
Before his leak I have not once seen a user from here post a single "I want dr. mario back!"
Now correct me if you will, but normally when zero people are asking for something its a good sign people don't want it.
>people ACTUALLY don't like wiifit and miis.
Do you just hate having fun?
If anything I'm more concerned about Barbara having no description. Since they are meant to have the final build or what not leading me to believe they don't have the full roster for whatever reason.
I don't even think he was flying. It could just be a more controllable float akin to Peach. It was a small passive Ridley shadow that did nothing but float from one side to the other without any scripted motions and then jumped rght before the clip ended.
The way I'm seeing it
>Super Mario characters
In Brawl, Yoshi, Donkey Kong, and Wario were all considered their own franchises. But Yoshi still appears in mainline games. He appears with the rest of the recurring cast of "individual" Super Mario characters (so no Goombas, Toads, Koopa Troopas, etc.). I guess that's also why Wario is haphazardly placed at the end (because he's still a character derived from the Mario series, and has appeared in around 3 mainline games, if Super Mario Land 3 and Super Mario 64 DS are counted). It's also why Donkey Kong is right beneath Mario.
>The Legend of Zelda
There's only one horizontal space left after Kirby, so it's reasonable placement. Little Mac is also right above R.O.B and two spaces below Mr. Game & Watch, which kinda fits the retro theme (at least if Zero Suit Samus wasn't there).
Beside R.O.B., so it kinda fits a retro theme, but if only it could be where Zero Suit Samus is now.
>One-off franchises (MOTHER, F-Zero, Animal Crossing, Wii Fit Trainer, Xenoblade?)
It would make more sense for Shulk to be in the row above with the other one-off franchises.
Looking at the screen, it seems possible that there are 5 more characters to be shown, and perhaps that will move the characters a little bit.
ESRB do not require the final version or all content, as long as what isn't shown to them is disclosed. I'd not be surprised if Sakurai planned for a leak and sent esrb footage of only most of the characters.
It's also possible whoever sent that kid some of the leak showed him only a partially unlocked roster.
They don't get a "build" you fucking idiot. They are sent a video of the most offensive, violent and suggestive content. Clearly some of it was taken from non-final code.
This explains why a lot of the images in the imgur album are of trophies' TnA
I found this. How fake is it?
I support the theory that this is what the 3DS version will launch with, but the Wii U version will have 5 more characters, and the 3DS version will get a free update of those characters.
Nintendo probably didn't want to delay the game anymore, so they sent it off partially unfinished
I think it would be silly for someone to have access to real pictures and footage, and then photoshop professional looking art in just for giggles, or because he saw the image and thought "hey, it almost looks like that Smashboards leak. Just needs Dr. Mario, here I'll make one."
Holy fuck you guys are the most pathetic, delusional idiots I've ever come across.
Jesus fucking christ, anti-leak fags never cease to amaze me.
>HURR NESS' SHIRT ISN'T SIDEWAYS
>SHULK IS LITERALLY PHOTOSHOPPED LIL MAC
>GAME WATCHER'S HAND IS IN WARIO'S PORTRAIT
>Legitimate fucking gameplay is leaked
>W-well DR. MARIO IS STILL A PHOTOSHOIP, YOSHI IS PLACED WEIRD, IT DOESN'T MEAN ANYTHING
They'd not launch a game with a mode that requires you wait months before being able to use it. All star mode is locked so we know there's more. Sakurai has also stated he's not thinking about dlc until after release, if at all.
Dr. Mario was my main in Melee, but I was expecting him as a Mario alt., otherwise I would've rooted for him.
He's my guilty pleasure of Smash.
Not trying to start shit and I know it may not happen but still. What reason would they have for not having Ridley and Mewtwo in the esrb video if they happen to be in? I mean this could apply to any character but I care about those two most. Not finished? Balancing? Planning a fail-safe in case of a leak?
>there are people who think this is real
They're not quite as bad as the people who denied that the Phantom Pain was Metal Gear Solid V.
I remember how bad they were. I'd bet you a couple benjamins that at least 4 people killed themselves over it since they were so fucking wrong
Even if every one of these concerns is true -
we have no idea how old this footage is. It's not public-released, it's a leak of an incomplete game still in development. None of these things make it seem "fake" necessarily, so much as an unfinished beta. The ESRB only needs to see the most extreme content in a game, it doesn't need to be anywhere near completion as long as they don't add in realistic gore or Birthday Suit Samus
I know you're talking free update. What I'm saying is if they had to hold back characters and that was all there was, All Star would be unlocked. If it requires the other unlocked characters for all star they wouldn't even be free dlc. They'd just not even have that menu option there if people would have to wait months to use it.
GANONDORF IS STILL A CLONE
>there are still people who deny it
Are you retarded?
Don't do this to yourself, you'll just end up feeling stupid.
The videos were taken down by nintendo, you can find the information on any video game website. You can probably find the videos if you actually looked for them.
The leak more upsets me than anything. I'm not like you fags. I don't want to know. When I'm playing the game, and I suddenly hear that siren, with the sillhoutte saying a new challenger appears, there's this great feeling of being surprised, and your patience pays off. But now I know.
And that feeling won't be there.
Oct 3rd to Dec3rd would be two months. So yes, "months".
I think most likely thing is that the true leaker gave that kids brother an image of the unfinished css and maybe just explained the rest of the roster to him.
>hahaha, everyone keeps talking about the videos, but NO ONE HAS THEM! Ha, of course the leak is bullshit idiots
>Videos are posted along with instructions to kill self
>Ha, nice fake videos you tried and failed again kiddie!!!!
if you cut one of the ice climbers than you've successfully created one of the least interesting characters in the game. The only reason they were ever interesting was because there were two of them. Popo or Nana by themselved would be a boring character with no redeeming qualities.
>tfw everyone is anally ravaged about Dr. Mario returning while I'm excited as hell for my old main
It feels so good, man.
>I only believe the videos and them not even completely.
-Here's how to make it work:
-Swap Yoshi with Bowser Jr.
-Replace G&W with Ness. Take the three clones, and push them to the bottom row, leaving the bottom row with one more space.
-Lucas unlock makes the final clone, filling the bottom row. Leaving 5 spaces for the second-bottom row.
-Place G&W on the second-bottom row, on the end, so he sits under R.O.B,
-Fill the remaining 4 spots with the remaining unlockables.
>sakurai posting this and the spectator mode this week.
He knows, you guys.
Gonna get it for this but if the final four unlockables are Ridley, Mewtwo, Impa, and Dixie/K. Rool, it would fix the css completely. The clones could go into their respective franchises and everything.
You don't think that's likely, do you? Has it ever worked like that before?
DK deserves another rep. I'm sure Nintendo and Sakurai feels the same. Best choices are Krool or Dixie. I'd say you've got a good shot of getting her. Maybe even more porn if she makes it in!
In the famitsu article, they did the same damn thing with Dark Pit"Does he want to join the battle too?". Since there's nothing of mention for Ridley aside from "An enemy in the shadows", this practically confirms Ridley. Allstar mode not being unlocked sets that in stone. I am 100% sure Ridley is going to be playable in super smash bros 4.
I think he has a good shot but after 13 years I'm keeping myself catious. I want it far too badly to set myself up for disappointment. I must simply bide my time and wait. Sakurai making sure it took him over a year to tell us what he is with no shadow shit hasn't been fun.
i'm kinda puzzled by shulk
i'm not saying he has no place on the roster but he sticks out like just another edgy fanfic character of a shonen manga
he's not even worthy of the "Mascot" title either
at least we finaly got megaman and pacman in
Right there with you. I'm not sure how you personally feel about it, but I actually REALLY like the roster. However, I'm also really hoping that it's not the complete one, and that maybe there's still a surprise or two to come. I shouldn't get my hopes up but I can't help it.
Honestly it's not total shit but if Ridley isn't there I'm gonna be a bit disappointed. I mean him just being a boss wouldn't be the problem. It's them having had over a year since they showed off Pyrosphere and four months since the shadow. It's a hell of a long time to pussyfoot around something we've seen him as over 7 times.
If I can't have Ridley then I want Mewtwo in for my friend. That'd make me happy even if I didn't get who I wanted.
That's fair, and understandable. I myself will be really disappointed if Dixie isn't playable. My friend already got the character he wanted though, which was Robin. Although, I know it's stupid but originally I just wanted Dark Pit to be playable in some shape or form. To me it didn't matter if he was a costume or a clone I just wanted him. But yeah, I hope ridley is in as well just for all the Ridley fans.
I can't believe there are still people who think that the leak is fake.
Just how much more evidence do you even need? Fucking hell...
The difference is that Dr. Mario, Dark Pit, and Lucina aren't just clones. They were planned as alts and became clones later.
You seem like a bro so I'm glad you got Dark Pit. Even if I think he should have been an alt. Tho if Mewtwo and Ridley are in and Dr. Mario and Dark Pit were afterthought roster fillers? All smiles. Still, congrats on your most wanted making it!
Now that's he's an actual separate character, I guess? I don't know, he could have worked as just a costume and I would have been just as happy, so long as he had his voice etc. Either way, he doesn't bother me like others. Originally I didn't like the idea of shulk in the roster at all, but now that I see him in game he actually doesn't look as bad as I thought, so I'm happy for all the shulk fans.
>had all summer mostly free
>just want to play new smash bros
>weeks before release are dragging on like hell
>nothing to do but talk about leaks and shit
Thanks! I really hope it works out like this.
I'm actually also disappointed that Lucas didn't make it. I never played him much but I did like him being there. Especially, when you consider that there are already so many clones why did they have to get rid of Lucas? Even if he is a little different,
I'm sure with customization, the supposed Koopaling alts (and the Alph alts for Olimar apparently), and the fact that Lucina was going to be an alt in the first place, we can suspect that Lucas and maybe Wolf have good chances of being alts.
Fuck Shulk, if we were going to get another effeminate, girly sword-swinger it should have been Issac. No one knows who the fuck Shulk is and fans have been asking for Issac since Melee.
Yeah that's what I was thinking. Best smashes from both into one, alt moves are their differences from Brawl. 4 Ness costumes, 4 Lucas. Would take the same dev time as one character without exactly cutting the other.
Mainly because Mother barely has any representation here
He introduces a new character last game, then gets rid of him now.
It's just weird to me, and it's going to feel weird if lucas doesn't make it.
Yeah I expect Wolf to be a Fox alt. It may not be what some fans want but if they can customize him into more like Wolf and he still has the announcer calling his name and his own voice, would it be so bad?
Plus if that's the case there's less cuts than I initially thought, sort of, which makes me happy. I never even used Lucas or Wolf, but I felt bad people may be losing their mains.
>looks fine, character placements perfect, no series being split up
>have 3 empty spots at the end though
>add in 3 clones but don't want to mess up the layout
But they have the videos anon: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cCfy7fpAU1E
But the mario series is split by yoshi, and theres ways the clones could have been implemented while still keeping the roster organised. Besides, if they just toss in the 3 clones at the end does that not kind of mess up the layout anyway? The clone placement is weird to me too. It doesn't mean the leak is fake, or that there are more characters to be unlocked (however I think and hope there is), it could really just be that the roster isn't perfectly unorganized, however unlikely that is.
I couldn't see it posted in this thread, but can someone please post the all-stars being locked screenshot? Just wanted to show a
friendbut I don't have it saved on this pc.
Btw what was the origin/source for that All-Stars being locked picture? Was that with the other leaks? I never got to see the 7 videos, just the Bowser Jr fight and screenshots of trophies and other menus.
It bothers me how Lucina isn't by the Fire Emblem characters, Dark Pit isn't by the Kid Icarus characters, Dr. Mario and Bowser Jr. aren't by the Mario Characters, etc.
Bothers me enough to the point where I still think it's fake
when ridley, Dixie, mewtwo, and impa are added, the roster really does form together a bit better, but we're still missing another character, mostly just with slides too. The last spot could have a few possibities. Chorus boys or mach rider maybe?
Not sure exactly either, possibly because of his weapons? If he has spoken dialogue that could be it too
He uses a variety of weapons including canonballs. ERSB would likely need to know if characters being shot was too realistic
Possible animal cruelty if violence against Duck Hunt is too realistic.
And as a bonus since you forgot him
If he keeps his regular B then references to drugs need to be sorted out.
It came from a leak weeks before the major one and got Bowser jr. down to a tee as well as DHD Dark Pit Dr Mario and Shulk.
Now someone came out and said they never mentioned those last few, but it took them a month to bring it up? When the leaks started to get Nintendos attention due to being real? Seems fishy.
Obviously don't get your hopes up too high or at all, but it is possible.
Thats not nice Anon, please do not bully those with faith in Purple Space Dragons.
just because the all star mode was locked doesnt mean there are more characters to unlock. I want ridley and mewtwo just as much as the next fan, but it isnt happening. The leak came from an ESRB video, NOT A DEMO, and the ESRB requires companies to show them all of the characters in games like this.
seems possible. Put wolf with the spacies, that just moves little mac to the bottom row with other retro characters, seems appropriate. Also this is pprobably fake, but...
Holy shit you're right. I don't want Ridley to be a Charizard clone but fuck it, I'd take just for them giving a shit to add him. Mewtwo a retooled clone of Lucario? As long as you could bring back their old moves through customising.
I just hope I can main as Hank Hill or Dale Gribble.
>when ridley, Dixie, mewtwo, and impa are added
They could be anyone. It's just a potential set up for how it could look perfect with five more characters. Wolf could easily go next to Falco and move Shulk in to the bottom row instead of Ice Climbers. I just thought IC worked out better because everyone else in the bottom is retro or third party.
For one, esrb don't need a final build, just a discloser of things they don't have access to.
Two, the guys didn't give that kid everything they could.
Three, the fact all star mode is locked at all? Means there were in fact locked characters for the esrb.
It was probably sent ahead of time, and those characters were expected to be revealed by now.
Sakurai might have intentionally not shown the full roster out of paranoia it might leak, because if it did, at least it wouldn't show ALL the characters. In which case his paranoia was clearly justified.
And because why does it matter, none of it should have leaked in the first place anyways?
>26 characters (incl. Sheik)
>39 characters (incl. Sheik, ZSS, Squirtle, Ivysaur)
>51 characters (incl. 3 types of Miis)
Face it, it's ogre.
Uh, All Star mode being locked specifically proves the esrb at least didn't have the full roster unlocked right away. If so that means it's quite possible the css image we saw was not the final roster. The rosters unorganized messy structure points to this being likely and that Mewtwo Ridley leak when plugged into it makes it reorganize perfectly.
Is this what's going to happen? Nobody can say for sure? Is it possible? Of course. It's Smash. Anything is possible.
Are we going through this again?
The roster as currently constituted is real.
The DLC "Leak" was from a different, completely unrelated, and as far as we know, completely wrong individual.
That said, there MIGHT be more characters.
The prevailing theory is that this is the full roster until the WiiU version comes out, then this version will get patched with everything it didn't have.
that kid? the leaker really was 16? maybe his dad really did work for nintendo. I hope you guys are right but my more pragmatic side tells me we have seen all there is to see unless there is dlc
>sonic next to megaman
Didn't find the world trade one
There is no dlc in the works currently. Both games have the same roster, not if you buy this game or update 3DS later because they aren't going to have a mode people have to sit on for two to three months to play.
That roster is not the final one.
I love when a fake roster is just an excuse to namedrop the most obscure Nintendo character you can think of.
If anything, those leak threads were a nice gaming history lesson.
He was most likely modded because Ridley hasn't been confirmed as anything yet, regardless of what he was teased as. Once Ridley is on the Smash site as a boss or hopefully playable, then he's confirmed something.
You seriously think he's gonna be labelled as Pittoo on the CSS?
All of the "proof" that this is the final roster relies on assumptions and reaching theories. I say we apply Occam's razor to this ordeal and admit that it is more likely that we already know the final roster
>Ridley is playable
>if no one is playing Ridley and Pyrosphere is picked CPU Ridley joins in mid-battle and it can essentially be a 5 player match
I think one thing is off though, wouldnt someone who goes out of there way to make such a convinsive leak, instead try and have a more "legit" looking roster order?
You really think that messy, unfinished, random placed roster is finished? Because the leaker didn't show someone the whole thing? With all star mode being locked? Please tell me you're joking.
You really think that Sakuri would send an incomplete roster to the ESRB? OK, well then why not only send the starting roster? If someone can give me a good,logical explanation for that then I will jump on the bandwagon with you
Its weird since even if the characters are mixed up because "not everyone is unlocked", in Brawl characters slots moved to the right everytime you unlocked someone, but here it just wouldnt make sense.
My guess is, there will be some kind of DLC that comes out with the wii u version. The 3ds one is just like an early pay out for them, so they can keep the teams around to make a few waves of DLC and do balance.
Wrong, go read their site before spouting things. They are required to see all questionable content, and anything else only need be disclosed. All Star mode being locked proves not all characters were unlocked.
The guy who leaked the videos and posted the imgur pics confirmed that there were more characters.
This is what we are working with right now, the one with all the pictures and video footage.
Blue = Veteran
Green = Newcomer
Yellow = Back from the Dead
Red = Dead
What is this "characters are mixed up" meme about, anyway? The characters are lined up horizontally by franchise, with clones at the bottom right. Don't claim they're disorganized just because you disagree with the organization.
You really think they'll lock All Star mode from people? For three months? Why are you people grasping so hard for this to be the final roster when it litterally doesn't make sense to? No the esrb doesn't need to see the full roster, just questionable content. All star mode is locked in the video, fact. The roster is unorganized and not structured like any other fully unlocked smash roster.
there was a guy last night who posted an idea about ridley and dark pit being both characters and stage bosses, which honestly now that i think about it sounds like it could totally work
Here is the "full leaked" roster with everyone unlocked. Would you be satisfied with these either way?
Doesn't even matter what you think right now since the roster ISN'T complete and everyone who's questioning the organization is right
I highly doubt that but you probalbly weren't serious
I dont see why they would need to see a progression. It makes more sense for the ESRB to see the full roster at once.
That still doesn't explain why he would show all but 5 characters
All star mode is locked, roster isn't aligned correctly, esrb does not need to see the entire roster, the people leaking things didn't give that 16 year old everything they had or knew. You are literally trying to bend reality and force the roster into having less than it actually will. Why?
I don't even think Dr. Mario is anything like Lucina is.
Lucina is the only "Pure" clone that we've seen, meaning the only thing that's different besides her appearance are "passive" things like hitboxes and frame data.
Dr. Mario, Toon Link, Falco, (assuming he's in) Lucas, and Dark Pit all have attacks and specials that make them different from their originals.
That's not the same guy. MOTHERFUCKING LEAKER was the 4chan DLC guy and was confirmed fake. This guy was posting Shulk and Bowser Jr.'s movesets on ribbit before the videos were even shown.
I'm trying to help you. I'm trying to free you from your pathetic delusions. No, we don't know how All Star mode is unlocked this time around, or if the locked All Star Mode was on the same save file. No, Nintendo would not risk hiding 5 characters from the ESRB for absolutely no gain when they could show everything. No, you can't confirm shit by analyzing what whether the pictures look "correct" and you have never been able to.
You are a manchild willfully believing schoolyard myths, and I need you to grow up.
If this roster is complete then it should look something like this, with all the characters with their correct series, not all jumbled up as it is currently.
>Toon Link actually never was.
Young/Toon Link were always clones.
>you fucking think that a character with altered physics, attack properties, ranges, hitboxes, and stats is ANY different than a reskin with altered sweetspots on their attacks?
>you must be fucking retarded
this is what retards actually believe
They all look alike when it comes to the select screen. Everything is organized by series with characters being next to characters from their respective franchise. That's how it has been in every game and there is no reason for that to change now especially when it is so easy to fix.
Using your own example. Then why isn't Falco with them either?
They're all clones doesn't matter if they're pure clones or not because you clearly just said Lucina is the only one of that category so far. It doesn't make sense that 3 other clones are separate from the "clone pile"
Whatever it doesn't even matter since the roster is incomplete
shit will probably fix itself when it gets to 100%
So I was wondering, if the ESRB was only sent videos of ingame footage, particularly the most potentially offensive content, why did those videos have to include the character select screen? Surely nothing offensive would be there?
>Every smash has kept characters near their franchise.
>Yoshi inside the Mario franchise when he's always been repping Yoshi titles.
>clones have always been with their franchise, not a clone corner.
>large spaces at the bottom when melee only had one on each side for random select convenience
>Game n Watch nowhere near the retro characters, way up by Mario series for no reason
>Bowser jr. not by Bowser
The css is a mess and ignoring it just to try and kill peoples hope for more surprises is stupid and borderline petty.
Because Falco is not considered a clone, he's a pseudo-clone or whatever. Whether you agree with the distinction or not it exists, because Luigi was not considered a clone in Melee.
Im glad you asked anon! If you look on their website they state that all locked content must be viewable, even if it wont be on the retail copy.
Sorry, this probably means we already know the full roster.
Because in Smash he is considered part of his own series. He has an egg icon, not a mushroom and he has never been stuck in the middle of the Mario characters before, just next to them.
Because it looks shitty. It would be one thing if it was an improvement but having the final select screen look like this is just lazy since it can easily be rearranged to look good.
>a DVD that captures all pertinent content, including typical gameplay, missions, and cutscenes, along with the most extreme instances of content across all relevant categories. Pertinent content that is not playable (i.e., "locked out") but will exist in the game code on the final game disc must also be disclosed.
I dunno man, nothing about that sounds like character select screens need to be shown. There's nothing extreme about them.
I actually don't care about the roster at this point, I'm just curious and want to play the damn game.
That's not any more organized, it's just organized differently. You put "retro" characters on the bottom instead of 3rd party characters and decided NOT to organize clones in a separate way. You can't conclude that a roster is fake because Sakurai decided to organize things differently.
I don't understand why you nerds don't just give up trying to "analyze" leaked pictures for discrepancies or whatever. You're not Phoenix Wright, you're just some worthless manchild who can't admit his favorite videogame character isn't in Smash Bros.
Some "leaker" late last night throughout the POTD's post time claimed the last characters were Ridley (slightly smaller than bowser without wings, constantly hovers, is kind of like wolf), Mewtwo (exactly like Melee version), Dixie (Diddy "clone"), and Isabelle (I think a Villager "clone"). I could be missing one, but again theres not proof, just another text based leaker who claims to be from NoA
it says "a DVD that captures all pertinent content, including typical gameplay, missions, and cutscenes, along with the most extreme instances of content across all relevant categories. Pertinent content that is not playable (i.e., "locked out") but will exist in the game code on the final game disc must also be disclosed". They are basically saying that ALL pertinent content, EVEN (not only) if it is locked must be disclosed. The entire roster is pretty pertinent.
Sakurai hates leaks and he KNOWS it will leak one way or another. It is entirely possible he withdrew some characters that would not set off the esrb and still keep some characters secret in the worst case scenario.
>You gotta resort to petty insults now?
Factual statements aren't petty, anon. And organizing consistently by franchise with clones and 3rd parties separate is not a "random hodgepodge".
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I don't know why everyone thinks one shot of the video means it's the full roster. We've seen that in other parts of the video it has trophy's collected from different times (from very early game to endgame) based on the max trophies collected. Is it unreasonable to believe that the select screen and other characters are shown at other points in the video? There's too many unknowns here.
These people don't play videogames usually. To them there is no difference from Charizard clawing someone and Ridley clawing someone. They just need to see things that affect the rating.
There's definitely something weird going on with Ridley. I'm almost certain he won;t be playable, but it seems like he has to be in there somewhere. Just throwing out my guess:
he is the big bad of this game's story mode, if there is one.
To be honest, I always saw another animal crossing character as a possibility since it has like 5 games in its series. Plus, at the end of the villager trailer it shows tom nook walking up to the invitation, which could possibly be a teaser
The part stated by the underaged kid was him piggybacking off another leak which came out weeks before his. It's possible but people will try to crush your hopes by saying the shitty organized roster and locked all star mode totally means it's the final roster for l'epic lels.
I would bet that those guys are in besides Mach Rider. Nintendo would have to put Mach Rider in the video because he would probably use weapons like Snake which would up the rating. The others could get by being similar to characters already shown
I know what disclosed means, what I don't know is what you're trying to say. I'm going to assume your implying that the "secret 5" were disclosed in another form or not disclosed at all. That just isnt very logical, again I must point out that this is an all or nothing situation, he either gives them the full roster or no roster at all.
Well dont put that on your resume to the ESRB. Do you remember the Hot Coffe incident? The ESRB is a paranoid group of folks, considering how important a roster is to a fighting game it makes perfect sense that the ESRB would want to at least have an idea of who will be on it.
Because Nintendo does not conspire to hide content from the ESRB you absolute retard. That's just not how it's done. If they showed 48 characters then 48 characters is what we're getting.
My favorite part about this leak is imagining the gigantic mental breakdown of samurai knowing he can't deliver his piece de la resistance to smashfags in reveal trailers. Now that people see this mediocre roster, less people are going to buy this game, and he won't have enough money to finally finish his sex change operation.
You're almost certain the one character that's been alluded to yet not once stated by name totally can't be playable because of a tiny shadow and Sakurais implication? Serious question.
This obviously isn't real but it's a clearer picture.
I don't think he'll be playable because he wasn't on the leaked roster and with all the people who would cream their pants if he was announced as playable, I feel like Sakurai would've released info by now. It sounds weird, but it feels like he's got to be
more importantthan playable. If he was a boss or stage hazard, there's no reason he'd have been teased at like that and then never mentioned again.
Again, the ESRB only needs to see all PERTINENT content and information of the game. They don't care how many monkeys throw bananas or that there are multiple dragons that breath fire are in the game just that at least one does.
I could easily parrot that phrase back at you, but you are right about one thing, this is ASSUMPTIONS: the thread but at least my assumptions are based on logic and not conjecture. Of course having said that I must admit that the blank spots are an eyesore
I know this is supposed to be the final roster layout and I'm fine if that's all the characters, but that entire layout looks lazy as hell. If there are 49 slots including random, would it have been so fucking hard to do a 7 x 7 grid? It just doesn't make sense. This isn't as lazy as MK8 not having proper battle arenas or even an options menu, but it's pretty fucking lazy.
This is probably comeuppance for the Brawl leaks. He has the ONE thing people want more than anything else, and he is keeping it in the closet until Christmas because he doesn't like his games leaking.
when each of those monkeys are a playable character they do care. lets not forget that this is a fighting game, or party brawler, point is that the characters are one of the main focuses in this game, it is PERTINENT
Hear me out, IF the whole All Star Mode being locked means anything, then that means that whatever the last few characters are, they are inconsequential to the ESRB.
What I mean is, as I understand it, you send a game to be reviewed by the ESRB, it needs to have the most intense footage of the game, or the most "sensitive' so that they may base their rating on that. Meaning that the last few characters are sure to not alter the E10 or T rating for the game (which is why they didn't bother unlocking them or anything, possibly due to time constraints or builds), ruling Ridley out given that he has a chance of affecting the rating.
Ours is based on logic too, people just handwave it going muh patterns. The css is unlike all other Smash games and all star mode was locked.
Your logic is that esrb must see everything (wrong) and a picture of a css that you have no idea when it was taken. Neither of us can say for certain, but I think there's more characters.
It's not cause I'm an anything-fag either. Regardless of what the characters are, it just seems to me there are more.
that is the only piece of evidence that supports that there are more characters but it is shaky evidence. you are assuming that the screen for the all star mode was from the same save as the one with the character screens. odds are this disk was put together in a hurry and they used multiple sources for the image
Not really, these people don't give a shit about the difference between Diddy and Dixie. They only care if a character will DIRECTLY affect the rating (Wario, Snake, and Mach Rider being examples)
I can imagine he's the kind of guy who loved how just about everything was a mystery until the game was released back before the internet got big. I don't know about you guys, but I had no god damn idea who any of the secret characters were in Melee until I actually unlocked them.
Just like in Melee (and Brawl, iirc), All-Star mode is ONLY unlocked when you unlock the entire roster. And it's because All-Star mode involved going against every single character.
In every Smash game prior, All Star mode consists of battles against the playable roster. If you're so autistic that you can't properly describe your thoughts, just say so so I can know to ignore your replies.
I would really like Mewtwo in Ridley to be in Smash, that would be my dream come true but I'm not going to hold out hope blindly. I'm taking these leaks at face value but like you said, no one can be certain. We will just have to ride this out for a few more weeks. For the record though I hope I am wrong and you are right.
I'm going with this, the fact people claim to know the intricacies of what's really going on is so fucking stupid. All we know is that a roster and a video of gameplay featuring leaked characters were shown, and that's all people should go on. We know that in the past, All-Star Mode has only been unlocked when the full roster is, so we can make assumptions. Then people start the whole "well according to my dad at the ESRB, they need the full roster, a copy of Sakurai's Costco membership, a sworn affidavit, etc." which is cockshit. Either source proof or go back to gamefaqs, people.
This on top of the wonky placement of characters in the select screen (Dr. Mario not next to Mario? Do you have no respect for my autism?) are what make me think this isn't all of them.
And people believing there are more characters are the delusional ones?
Fair enough. Still, if it's silly to take Sakurai at face value, why take a leak at face value? Other than Bowser jr and Shulk, we've got little to be clear about.
I understand your pessimism. This is the first time on this whole ride I felt there was truly something more to it than what we know. Sure it makes me think Ridley has a shot but if not him I still think there's more. If I'm wrong, oh well, but at least I'm a bit excited still.
how do you know that Ridley wasn't shown at some other point in the video? we haven't actually gotten to see everthing that was sent to the ESRB. The only evidence I think that holds significance is the early 4chan post that mentioned Bowser Jr and DHD, because I don't think someone would randomly guess those two and hope that they eventually get leaked in order to spread confusion. The guy didn't even attentionwhore like most fake leakers.
Well the idea is that Isabelle is the female face of Animal Crossing and just got revealed as DLC for MArio Kart so theres some possibility for her. she would also be an assist trophy as she was revealed as one and her unlockable requrements are to use her assisst as villager or use her assisst 10 times in total. still, just repeating what was said. not saying its the truth.
You're assuming the css image was from when it was fully unlocked. The haphazard arrangement of the css helps bolster the possibility that there's more to it too. We're both just talking in possibilitys but I fully believe a final fully unlocked css from Sakurai would not look like that one did, especially going by how melee and brawl handled characters like Yoshi and clones.
>Fuck off and die.
They're all pretty much saying:
>this is what happens when you let dumb americans have the game early
>americans shouldn't be trusted
>I hope the leakers go to jail forever
they're pretty pissed off at the leak for the most part, though I think it has more to do with the fact that they won't get to show off when they get the games in japan since everyone will know everything and wont care