>Gets some other guy's hopes up for no reason other than he wanted to scout you out.
>Recruits you against your will as you're watching your family die
>Sends you into battle immediately against opponents you've never faced, giving you no advice on how to survive because "muh test"
>Forces you to drink poison as a reward
>Kills a man when he refuses to drink the poison on the basis he has a wife and child.
>Dies in battle after trying to defend, then avenge, an absolute moron.
>Remembered as a noble hero and caring mentor by all.
Is this guy the biggest idiot/cunt of recent times?
>Takes you in when you've got nowhere to go
>Doesn't care that you're Dwarven Peasantry/ Elven Peasantry
>Teaches you how to be a bad-ass that doesn't afraid of anything
>Believes in you
>Leading a cause the rest of the world is too complacent to support
>Sacrificing his own happiness for the rest of Farelden
Yeah man, what a dick.
It's kinda the point.
They are called "Grey" Wardens for a reason (it's like poetry, etc)
His actions and beliefs are morally grey in nature and revolve around making sure his order is ready to do what's necessary for the greater good, no matter the cost.
>young and stupid king
The only indication we get is that he was naive enough to want the glory of fighting Darkspawn. Nothing implies that he was outrightly stupid, or otherwise incompetent. He was just an idealistic young bro.
good chance they would have won ostagar had he not pulled out
just because cailan wasnt that great doesnt mean its justified to let him and hundreds others die and expect the rest of the nation to bow down
Loghain made no sense at all
>two possible threats
>Hm, what should I focus my efforts on?
>a huge, confirmed, Darkspawn army heading our way from the south-- already destroyed one village
>a band of faggots consisting of a betafag, a cunt, a chantry bitch, a drunken dwarf, an awkward qunari, a grandma, an elf (whom I hired to assassinate the warden-- and failed), a walking rock, and a fucking dog
>THE BAND OF FAGGOTS IS THE BIGGEST THREAT TO MY NATION!
Actually conversations between Wynne and Loghain reveal that the army was retreating long before Loghain left. Wynne even says all the mages were long gone before the King died.
>Kills a man when he refuses to drink the poison on the basis he has a wife and child.
This one really got me. That's like a frat killing a pledge for wanting to back out after seeing a fellow pledge get raped.
Kohlberg's sense of morality was fucked to begin with. He assumed realizing each other's flaws bred universal understanding, without taking environment and experience into account.
>Kills a man when he refuses to drink the poison on the basis he has a wife and child.
"Yeah man, this test is some bad shit, go home now if you don't want to be a grey warden, this is not for the faint of heart."
"Nah, I ain't a bitch"
Other guy drinks the poison and dies.
"Oh fuck, I want out"
"Nah man. I warned you, you had your chance. Sorry."
He had ample warning between all the fighting, the witches, the war happening. That guy was just a pussy.
I honestly couldn't tell if he was supposed to be a hypocritical psycho cunt or if the writers couldn't tell he sounds like one.
I mean he made Jory believe that he can just quit the wardens and go back to his family once the whole ordeal is over.
the initiation is kept a strict secret since if it got out nobody would want to join, that being said I don't personally believe that's such a big deal, the knight fella was the only one to blubber about it, that noble thief guy knew what could happen and still decided to make it happen. then he died of course but still.
And considering Loghain fought in the war to be free of Orlesian tyranny, many of the people he fought against are likely still alive.
Would anybody let that happen were they in Loghain's position?
Loghain never admits anything he did was morally reprehensible until you beat him at the moot.
Plus he makes it clear he's only does what he does to protect fereldan regardless of the greater good.
Okay so the chantry thinks the taint came from when mages opened a portal to the golden city or whatever. What if that's half true? What it was that the mages attempting to find the golden city, simply opened a portal to a Lovecratian dimension and thats where the taint comes from?
tl;dr What if the taint is Cthulhu?
>fire one volley of arrows
>send a pack of dogs
>send a disorganized mass of first time Chivalry players away from the fortified position and into the oncoming innumerable swarm of plague orcs
>not a single spear/pike in sight
>closest thing to a formation in the entire battle is a bunch of guys with sledgehammers who leave anyway
10/10 strategy, Ferelden.
>Order founded with the purpose of performing a vitally important task
>Initially seen as noble, but starts to lose its luster over time
>Eventually has to fill out its ranks with criminals
>Desertion is punishable by death
Is this some kind of fantasy staple, or is the concept of the Grey Wardens based on the Night's Watch?
Irrelevant because the maker himself is probably and elder god as well. All godlike beings are as as alien to mortals.
Cthullu is only a mid level god in the grand scheme of things anyway.
Man, this fucking thread is making me feel shitty about DA2 and DAI. I didn't even know I still cared about ferelden.
Such a cool setting, wasted forever. fuck you, EA.
>hear everyone call ferelden a backwater shit hole
>get exited to see the other places of the world
fuck EA. seriously
In his mind it could've been
>Let the not-French take over his proud land again, possibly for good
>Let the darkspawn destroy it all
Remember one of the first codex pages you get states how big Ferelden is about their independence. If Loghain was going to see his nation ended regardless, he might prefer it go as a free realm than taken by french fries.
>Kills a man when he refuses to drink the poison on the basis he has a wife and child
>on the basis he has a wife and child
What? He killed him because no one would want to be a Warden if they knew they had to receive the darkspawn taint.
He didn't kill him because he had a wife and child
letting cailan die to stop orlais from allying with ferelden because hes scared they would slip back into slavery
so he kills cailan and hundreds of other fereldens, seizes the throne and uses assassins to keep opposition down while doing nothing against the blight
how the fuck are you still defending him
He refuses on that basis, he wasn't killed on that basis.
Not that it really excuses him.
Also i might add, its not so much the taint that makes them afraid its the dying. They'd probably take it much better if the joining tainted them without risk of instant death.
Was he, really? I thought his ties to Orlais were just for commerce and getting help with the Blight for the Grey Wardens, and Loghain went apeshit because he was going to let Chavaliers in to help fight the Darkspawn along with Orlesian Grey Wardens.
It is implied he had an affair with the Empress of Orlais, but not that he was going to marry her, if I recall correctly.
Lothering was a shithole anyway. They didn't reach either of the...what...three(?) settlements that are actually worth anything until his plans had been fucked up by a bunch of fags.
>ITT: People trying to make sense of Bioware writing
Cailan marrying the Empress of Orlais would have been a dual monarchy, instead of an occupation. Also Anora couldn't give Cailan an heir. Loghain literally took his ball and went home.
>some people actually chose Loghain over Alistair
Sounds about right. They were loyal to him because he was king, rather than because of his character. Even after they fought alongside Loghain vs the Orlesians, they likely still wouldn't have helped him if he staged a coup. How can anybody trust people like that?
Just like Hitler marrying Queen Elizabeth would've been a duel monarchy, right?
The Orlesians held his country in chains for a century. Letting them back in for any reason would be insanity.
how was lothering a shithole?
it was bad in da:o as it was pretty much turned into a refugee camp
through loghain quitting the battle and chasind folk / soldiers runnign from darkspawn
Cailan wasn't going to marry the Empress of Orlais. The alliance was just to secure heavier ties between Orlais and Ferelden and let the past go.
There was a subplot cut from the game in which Anora was unfaithful to Cailan, and that's why he wanted to diverce her, and look for another wife to give him an heir.
But Cailan wasn't going to marry the empress of Orlais
You're right, they were more like Persians. I was using Nazi's due to the fact that the war with them was very recent and would've been remembered by some.
Yeah, I bet it was a beautiful burgeoning metropolis until then.
>Is drinking darkspawn blood to join the wardens a massive secret or something?
Yes. I don't think most people would want to join the organization that's guaranteed to chop off half your lifespan
But Loghain remembered both being enslaved by, and at war with, these people. Nobody in his position would want peace with these people. They would want them dead, and failing that, would not want to see them under any circumstances. Certainly not friendly diplomatic meetings.
Nah, but the return to ostagar changed that plot so that it was that Cailan was going to leave Anora's ass for the Empress because she was barren.
Or some shit, they were all fucked. I'm a little upset I couldn't execute Anora, but I guess ordering Alistair to kill him with the big ass fucking sword he seems to carry around just for the occasion, then forcing her to be my wife was a pretty gud insult too
tfw you will never conquer the world with the wardens with your god child and witch waifu
They try to fill ranks with good fighters and leaders regardless of crimes. They sure as hell don't resort to recruiting wagonloads of prisoners even if it means they only get a handful of recruitsnper joining.
Plus as far as the public knows the wardens enjoy a ton of privileges without any rules other than "kill darkspawn" and "protect people from darkspawn".
If you're the mage bench Morrigan and keep Leliana, Sten, and Allistair in
You want a party with as few weaknesses as possible and there's no need for two DPS mages at the same time
>Yes. I don't think most people would want to join the organization that's guaranteed to chop off half your lifespan
Dude, they FIGHT DARKSPAWN. That's already guaranteed to chop off 90% of your lifespan. It's just no one wants to die without having even accomplished anything.
>Tfw you will never fuck your qt apostate sister and start a line of inbred bastards leading the war against the chantry
>tfw you will never join your Warden Mage Cousin and his God Baby in just straight taking over the mutha fucking world
TES benefits from their usage of the fourth wall, but I think we're going to rapidly see TES start losing the unique lore it has.
>Tfw reading about barbed khajit cocks as a child in a ingame book
Thats because the only characters Bioware does not give gimmicks to are non-romanceable females.
Because even the non-romanceable guys have to be LOLBROTIER and the romancable cunts have to be built around some dumbass quirk.
Aveline, Sister, Wynne was decently written I think, even if the preachy holier than thou mentor lady as been done to death, are among a few to name. ME1 Tali, though she didn't have much of a character at all.
>There are existing countries with mandatory conscription to army service right now
>People who can't pull it off get pulled in and scarred for life anyway
Would you describe our world as less or more cruel than Thedas?
They rebuilt my faith after Dragonborn.
If they could go back to higher level gear being extremely rare and expensive, kind of like Morrowind, I would have enjoyed Skyrim a lot more. Handplaced Daedric shit, hell even finding dwemer shit at the early levels always made me ecstatic.
I remember that one ruin where there was a room with a artifact shield, some daedric gear, and a bunch of daggers in skulls. Was cool as shit finding that room for the first time
Loghain did nothing wrong aside from not know that Gray Wardens were absolutely MANDATORY to end a Blight because LOLMAGIC. I mean, shit, MAYBE the little fucker would even win against the Darkspawn--unlikely, but maybe a MAGICAL MIRACLE HERO would show up and fuck Loghain's plans up and prove him wrong. Unlikely, but hey, it gave the kid a sporting chance instead of just assassinating him.
I mean, consider the following: Ferelden's young dumbshit King--who was married to Loghain's daughter, who was one actually running the Kingdom because the King was a dumbfuck--was sending god damned love letters to the Queen of Orlais--the fucking nation which was occupying Fereldan and who Loghain and the King's father spent their WHOLE LIVES fighting a guerrilla war against to drive out--because he was a stupid little piece of shit with a head full of romantic stories about make-believe knights and heroes.
Morrowind treasure hunting is fun as fuck. I recall finding a Nord tomb hidden in a Dunmer tomb, the location of which is vaguely given by a Nord you buy drinks for.
The place you mentioned is also indirectly mentioned in a book. It mentions a grand funeral where a lot of people got slaughtered at a deadric shrine, but there's nothing there. Then you look around and find the tomb outside where the treasure actually is.
That's how Blights usually go. They're snuffed out before they become a huge problem. That's the whole purpose of the Wardens, to kill the thing at the root before it becomes a country-wide and the world-wide problem.
Again, that's how they USUALLY go.
But Loghain didn't think it was an actual Blight, so he thought it wouldn't get much worse if they just left it alone. Basically, instead of cutting out the cancer when it was just a nasty lump, he let it metastasize.
I know anon I've played it.
I actually like Morrigan for the most part, other then her occasional do senseless evil shit for the sake of doing evil sensless shit.
Like she can't understand pragmatism.
No I'm not helping the mages because I'm a normal faggot, I'm helping the mages because they're more versatile and useful in battle then the templars, because they can do defensive and offensive shit just as effectively.
I found it hilarious that a glitch made Wynne approve when I cuckolded that little elf bitch
And the Wardens are so secretive thanks to their bullshit initiation secret that they can't even tell people WHY they're needed. Loghain would've had no idea what their skillsets actually were, or that they were necessary to kill archdemons because
Actually this blight was the shortest one in history IIRC. Usually blights are drawn out affairs. I just wonder if Cailan and Loghain with Duncan could have ended the blight there and then had everything gone according the plan
Loghain was always in denial of the darkspawn threat, since he grew up on years of peace when it came to them. His life revolved around threats of other people, not blighted monsters. He thought he was being realistic when it came to putting the potential Orlesian threat over a supposed Blight.
It's not that he's short sighted he was just raised on knowing a different kind of enemy his whole life. One that is constant and real, rather than one that pops every few hundred years or something.
Morrigan only understands pragmatism in the most basic, unsocial maner.
Before playing the game i thought she would be manipulative and sly, but shes basically just a selfish ignorant barbarian because she was raised alone in the woods and doesnt understand social pragmatism.
man, at the battle of Ostagar where were the mages anyways? You bring down some walking weapons of magical destruction from their tower, then not field them against the horde?
fuck,just have a couple mages cast Storm of The Century a few times and that whole darkspawn horde could have been cleared in minutes.
I bet the Chantry did this.
Sending the dogs first was really retarded of them. They kill quickly and can traverse the battlefield way faster than any of them can. Plus the whole point of marking themselves is to help them distinguish friend from foe in the middle of a battle. They should have been released after the fighting started.
>Get that comfy desire to hear his chocolatey voice again
>Remember how long and pointless the levels are
>Remember the Fade
>Remember that incredibly mediocre climax
>Remember how in a 30+ hour long game, the main character will spout the same 5 lines again and again
>Remember having to deal with low influence Morrigan
>Remember having to be Alistair's therapist
How can a game that's so good
Be so bad
The rareness of good loot is one thing that made Morrowind amazing. I wouldnt have minded crafting your own rare armor but it should be way more difficult to gather the ingredients or make preperations. For fuck's sake in Morrowind they talk about all this secret ritual shit you need to do in order to transform ebony into daedric armor but in Skyrim it's just like "Hammer away whenever you feel like.
>There is no glory in bloodshed!
>We're shedding blood in an arena for someone's personal glory
>Tfw Aveline was the best character in DA2
Meredith would have been awesome too if they didnt make her go full retard at the end. She had a great design and a believable motivation.
Its hard to blame the mages for wanting freedom and rebelling considering how much the damn church hates them and locks them up.
But, then I remember Anders in da2 and how every single mage you meet in the whole game DOES turn out to be a bloodmage, necromancer, or abomination. So yeah, maybe the Chantry does have a point.
I liked Aveline
I hated get NTRed by that faggot
It's arguable that they turn to those forbidden magics because that's the only way to get out from under the templars, but the templars just see it as a reason to press down ever harder
I played a mage and thinking logically I could not find any reason not to side with the templars in DA2. When the leader of the mages is a blood mage, you know it's all rotten to the core.
In DA2 that was kind of explained away. The reason everyone there is crazy, violent, and prone to blood magic is because it sits near the holding cell of one of the arch magisters who entered the golden city. Just being near him causes people near him to go mad.
A bullshit excuse but at least they did something to acknowledge "Hey, why the fuck is literally 99% of the mages here being retarded"
Fuck man, like I'm glad no one else really used Daedric in the game, but shit should not be that easy. Shit son, Daedric armor was a fucking quest to get itself in Morrowind if you didn't want to just murder Divayth mother fucking Fyr. Leave the final crafting at dragonbone and have daedric be some near mythic shit.
I was ok with weapons in morrowind not being as rare as armor, makes sense to me that people would have enough money/time to make one dagger or sword. But damn. I think Skyrims dungeons were better then most people make them out to be, but some damn handplaced loot, or the occasional snippet of some sort of fucking story about the dungeon would have been nice
She was ok untill I had to do that ridiculous quest trying to set her up with her man. What the fucking fuck. I could stomache DA2, I never finished it because it was just uninspired and repetitive, but god damn that was the one mission that made me cringe.
I was pleasantly suprised she wasn't a Don't Need No Man feminist cunt
>find mine just off the road and very easy to find because its right in the way of escorting that one woman for a quest
>go to vivec and receive free daedric weapon of your choice at level one
it wasn't that hard
there was also those codex entries about how the entire city was arranged into some giant rune fueled with blood of missing slaves for some magical reason. Best theory is the city was where they opened the portal to the Fade through sacrificing a shitload of slaves.
I think innate elemental resistance or flat magical resistiance would have done the trick. Lookswise i think bone was just terrible. skin was decent. I liked the over the top edginess of Daedric armor if only because it felt like it fit lorewise, but was a bit dissapointed that the shoulders make you look weird as fuck if you wear it without a helmet
Wasn't funny anon. It was terribly written. I mean DA2 had it's charm. I really liked that they showed the party members interacting with eachother. In DAO and even ME, they didn't at all unless you were in a part together. And the Scarface mission of Varrus was bretty gud. But damn I couldn't stand that quest.
That fact that you do
just means we have different senses of humor
could say that about most of bioware games. Like, I love the setting of mass effect, cool universe and all, but what do we get from it? a shitty game with shitty endings or books where the cyborg ninja fucker breaks into a dudes house and eats his cereal.
Hand placed loot is something they really need to go back to. To this day my favorite memory of playing Morrowind for the first time was being a good enough thief to sneak into the House vaults in Vivec. I was always curious what could be behind such heavily locked and guarded doors and i practically jizzed my pants when i saw all the ebony and glass armor and weapons.
The house vaults oh lawd.
The only issue I had with Morrowind is that it is a bit easy to exploit and break into shit like that sometimes.
Non-leveled shops were great too. I mean there was some high end gear sold in some places, but for the most part, even having full dwemer armor made you feel a bit seasoned in game
I dunno, the Indian wars ended in 1890 and the Natives had no problems signing up with the American and Canadian government to fight the Nazis. Hell one of my grandfathers got drunk and was kicked out twice and both times he signed up with fake names to get back to the fighting. He eventually became a sniper and racked up enough kills to be hunted down and taken out by a countersniper, sad ending but the point is if the threat is big enough people will sign up with people who not that long ago were their enemy.
The ease of breaking the game is part of the charm, but something i think is fine to move away from. I had no idea about all the broken shit i could do to make things way easier so actually getting to the rare items and finding them felt like a real accomplishment.
god I hated this guy (in a love to hate kind of way)
he was supposed to be some level headed obi wan but he was really fucking shady
but hey thats why they are called the Grey Wardens huh?
Problem is that writing codexes and shit is relativley easy. I want to be a fantasy writer, and I have pages upon pages of codex type entries on this vast world. But when I try to type up a coherent story on this world, it falls apart. I think the problem is that bioware is filled with people like me. Yeah they can make all these cool ideas and shit, but they can absolutely not apply it into a good narrative.
I guess I would describe it as just being idea men. You can't write a story or design a game with just idea men. Even worse is that it doesn't take a lot of talent to do that in any case, but most people feel it does.
Breaking the game does add to the charm I agree, but it can be done so quickly. Move back from it a little, make it require some dedication. Like it requires legit grinding of magical skills to be able to abuse magic to become a god.
It's hinted that they would've lost anyway. Cailan wanted an epic battle of epicness and thought they would end the blight right there. They would've been routed and wouldn't have had Bryce's men to back them up, on account of Howe.
Loghain did the right thing for the wrong reasons.
This. Loghain was a huge twat about it. And he ended up fucking himself over anyways by taking on the worse allies. Fucking Howe of all people. Like return to Ostagar just felt like him constantly trying to justify his own maneuver because he realized his original reason was a shitty one
>Adding a bunch of forgettable OC donut steels into DA:I
>Not bringing back one of the few good things about DA2.
In a way i'm kind of glad, at least they dont have a chance to ruin her character. I feel sorry for Varric knowing he has to be part of that mess.
I did the Harden quest to man Alistar up then made him marry Anora. I spared Loghain and let him kill the Archdemon then I went on to take command of the Grey Wardens in Ferelden and rebuild Amaranthine.
It probably doesn't matter anymore what with Bioware's obsession with their shitty narrative, but it is objectively the best outcome.
Well, at least Fem Hawke shows u-
>She looks like a retarded version of her DAII self
I know, man. I got a fucking great setting, I feel, with details on all the races that tie them in different ways, and I'm really happy with how I fleshed out humans, but I don't know how to make a story exploring it. I had an idea for a young illusionist wizard who recently got a scholarship to a prestigious school, and then I'm not sure of the plot.
He starts seeing/noticing illusions in the world as he gets more education, at first they're innocuous, then bigger and bigger and boom Magical Matrix run by wizards who thought ordinary people didn't deserve the "real-or-is-it" world.
Did you look at that cutscene? There were thousands of darkspawns attacking them. Hell even if Loghain would haven jumped in and tried to save them he would have been surrounded by darkspawn in a matter of seconds.
>using the mod that makes him a summon like in 2
Man I really liked the look of the Dwarves and their city but I hate how they made them not back stabbing pieces of shits instead of noble hard working race of forgers and miners.
Yea, but you're not thinking about the enemy hear. If crazy bloodthirsty aliens showed up in the 90's, threatening to kill every single living thing, then I'm pretty sure a nazi alliance would be viable
same problem I have, I have everything set up, even the fucking storyline I want to write about comes out great in "wikipedia" type form, but I can't write characters for shit. Feels shitty that likely it will all go to waste.
I would love one day to write a book and if it gets big enough read it get slammed on /lit/
>This some shittyass combat system, but at least the characters are kinda sympathetic
>Go through excruciating lengths to retrieve a giant rock golem
>Oh boy, with this guy, nothing can stop us
>Run into some random bandits
>They whip my 2m tall hunk of rock dead in three hits
Loggy's actions were understandable. If the freedom war happened early enough for him to fight in it it means there's probably a substantial section of the population who are veterans and people who lived under Orlaisian bootheels. If the king is seen making a political alliance through marriage or even just by being too close you've got instant coup. You don't jump into bed with your former overlords in less than a generation. The wounds are too fresh and doing so is a surefire way to watch your vassals get bolstered by angry mobs and depose your stupid ass. Loghain beat them to the punch by giving Calian an honorable way out and preventing all out civil war which was pretty much inevitable had he continued on his path.
Yeah but then he tried to kill the only people that could stop the ravaning hordes. He tired to sacrifice his ability to fight ah enemy that WILL rape you to death in order to hold back one that only MIGHT.
The whole point of this guy was to get you thinking on how you, the new grey warden, can be a huge ruthless machiavellian cunt yourself just to get shit done and save the world. Not to mention Duncan is completely honor-bound to carry out his orders from the top and has to follow these crazy rules no matter what.
It's a bit edgy how quickly he kills the guy who refuses to drink (muh secret test) but that's all for drama.
Of course the player can just go crazy with power and start making deals with demons and shit, making Duncan look like a Gandhi.
I hate to say it, but I hated how you got 1000 codex entries everywhere you went. I don't mind reading lore in-game at all. I do it for fallout and TES, but DAO felt like it establish everything about its world in one game. I only found 1/20 codex entries interesting enough to read, the rest where about shit I never cared for, or things that didnt seem relevant to the game. I get the game was trying set up a universe, but it should have used more of the show method and less of the tell method. In TES and Fallout, I can see the effects the documents had in game. Those games make lore and game match much better than DAO did. There were so many things mentioned in the codex that just never come up in the gameworld, that I don't bother reading the codex until someone mentions I havent heard before.
Elves + Werewolves
Make Alistair marry that cunt
Have Loghain strike the final blow
Romance Morrigan and refuse demon baby, but get her pregnant anyway
Go through that mirror thing with Morrigan
It'll all mean nothing
I just hated how awful the codex system was. Say I wanted to find a single description of one artifact I found an hour ago
ENJOY SCROLLING THROUGH FIFTY DIFFERENT FUCKING PAGES
Same here , and I wish more of the entries were relevant too; so little of the content in the entries appeared in the game. I don't expect to see everything I read, or else it would be real lore or flavor text, but I guess it wasn't the game sandbox style either, so maybe it was hard to make the world feel alive.
Technically, Jory could have. There's nothing that says Grey Wardens cannot have perfectly normal lives in between Blights and going cuhrazey. He also already had a child, so it's all good.
But no. He had to go and die like a bitch.
They could had fixed that by having certain limitations on crafting.
It's not ok to just craft a million iron daggers to become a master smith.
Instead it should had been that after a certain level you have to make more difficult items to get xp, where near the end the materials will have to be incredibly rare.
I remember playing this again recently, and realizing that they really didn't think the timeline all the way through. It's not something you notice until you've played the mage origin though.
The Jowan fag escaping from the mage tower, get chased by templars, and gets saved by Loghain and is sent to go poison Eamon. While he's at the castle he teaches that dumb kid to do magic and starts poisoning the nobleman; the nobleman goes into a coma, the kid makes a deal with a demon, and all hell breaks loose.
There's nowhere near enough time for all this shit to happen between the player being recruited by Duncan and then arriving at the castle.
>Save some prisoner dude
>You owe me my life now, so be nice
>"Why are we helping these people, how does that further our goal of fighting the not-orcs?"
>Jesus christ, you idiot, they're our only allies, were you planning on fighting evil alone if we let them die?
>Sten disapproves -10
>Go to town with Morrigan
>This blacksmith's daughter is all the family he has, since we're going that way anyway, let's keep our eyes open if we can find her
>"Boohoo, why do we have to look for some old fart's slutty daughter? oh I'm so evil and misanthropic and snide"
>Morrigan disapproves -10
Whoever wrote this game, I'd like to have a word with him.
>Be leader of Grey Wardens
>Have king who fucking loves and worships you
>Know a blight is coming
>Still only have like 25 wardens when he could persuade the king to enlist thousands.
Not only a cunt and idiot, but an incompetent commander too.
The whole mess inside the mage's tower started during the final preparations of the battle, and the fielded mages thought it was prudent to go back, instead.
ASoIAF pulls from the wars of roses while Dragon Age pulls from an earlier period in Brit history (before the 100 years war). Tolkien pulls from before both of those, going all the way back to the early dark ages.
No, Gaider outright said they were going to tone down its significance because not everyone chose that route.
By which he means canon wooed Leliana, since killing her is retconned
The Ferelden Grey Wardens had actually deposed (or tried to) Ferelden nobles time and again in the past, so the notion that the Grey Wardens were in on the Orlesian coup wasn't -that- far fetched. This is why Duncan says they don't need people having more ammunition against them.
There's also no need for Grey Wardens to fight regular old Darkspawn. They're only really needed to kill the Archdemon, of which there was no proof when Loghain did his thing.
>Yep its revealed he was going to divorce Anora to marry the Empress of Orlais and making Fereldan part of Orlais again.
so this is like if an english king wanted to make it part of france again?
yeah I can understand that it would make nobles supremely butthurt if that was the case
>Morrigan only understands pragmatism in the most basic, unsocial maner.
>I always thought she was autistic
>Nah, just socially retarded.
That's kind of the point of the character. She grew up in the forest with her man-eating dragon witch mother. The only social skills she developed where the ones that let her lie and take advantage of others to survive against the chantry hunting her.
She's basically what Elizabeth from Bioshock should have been, but of course the "Disney Princess" personality is much more popular and economically smart to give to a female npc that you want people to like.
The wardens could sense the archdemon which is why, whenever you ask Duncan about itn, he always assures you that it was a real blight. But since they kept the fact that they have darkspawn taint in them a secret, the wardens could never tell Cailan outright and just relied on his trust and hero worship in them.
Loghain on the other hand, distrusted everything Orlais, probably viewed the Grey Wardens as agents of Orlais trying to win over the king.
Loghain was crazy, if he was right or not about the retreat is irrelevant, however the problem is how he handled the blight, he exiled the Grey Wardens, sparked a civil war during a war and countless other atrocity's because he was afraid of the Orelsions trying to take back Ferelden, he has a severe case of PTSD. Even if Loghain didn't think it was a blight, it was still large number of Dark Spawn and Ferelden just lost a good chunk of its army.
Loghain should have been forced into the Legion of Doom as a form of punishment after the blight was done, Loghain was incredible power warrior and general, he would have helped greatly in the effort to push back the dark spawn in the deep roads.
The ending fight fucking pissed me off
>Sides with Mages and is held up in that room
>Tells em not to do bad demon stuff everyone is freaked out over and they are all "ok"
>Proceeds to wreck the templars running in
>Some mages die some fucking how despite me keeping templars locked at the doors
>Mage leader guy: Imma do bad demon stuff with these mages that these Templars and pretty much everyone were scared over that'll show em!
>Me: Don't you fucking do it
>Mage leader guy: Imma do it!
>Me: YOU BETTER FUCKING NOT
>He does it
>Surprise! EVERYTHING GOES WRONG! He gets possessed goes evil pride demon giant mode and his buddies get fucked
>Me: FUCKING SON OF A BITCH DAMNIT WHY IS EVERYONE SO FUCKING STUPID TODAY!?
Should have been an option to kick the shit out of both factions