I know people hated Pokemon Trainer in Brawl, but who else thinks that was kind of a nice direction to go when it comes to Pokemon reps? No single Pokemon really deserves a slot because of significance except maybe Pikachu, so it all boils down to a popularity contest at that point. The trainer was a good way to represent a specific generation. Sure, it would be a lot of work to do so, but I wouldn't mind them cutting all the Pokemon and just having Red for nostalgia purposes and a more recent-gen trainer as the two Pokemon representatives.
>>262404293 >the cool Gen 1 legendary >was playable in fucking melee >was planned to be playable in 64 >wasn't a fucking lazy clone, doubly hilarious because he's actually a clone >fan favorite from the second best movie in the franchise, very fondly remembered by anyone who grew up in the 90's Pokemon craze
For me I always saw Pokemon representation in Smash as really shoddy. As much as I like the Jiggs, it is definitely a jank piece of the problem.
For me, optimal Pokemon Smash repsentation would be:
>Pikachu + a Pokemon from each Gen + Mewto or >Pikachu + a starter of each of the 3 types (preferably from different generations for coverage) + Mewtwo
Obviously the first one will be problematic the more generations get added to the franchise. Mewtwo may seem like a surplus, but for me I just think he's iconic as the first major Legendary as well as the one of few antagonistic Pokemon that isn't the size of a titan... Plus I just like the guy and think his fighting style in Smash has good potential.
>>262407828 I'm not mad, Lucario and Greninja are only going to get popular because Nintendo keeps shoving them down our fucking throats so we just have to accept them. I don't really have a problem with Charizard I guess he is okay, but he isn't really needed.
>>262413342 People consider him three because "slots" isn't so much a literal slot as it is the time that goes into creating and balancing an entirely unique character. Yes, he was three "slots" just as Zelda and Sheik were each one. Having one copied move that shuffles between the three does not mean they're suddenly all one character.
It's not about more, but making sure the ones that deserve to get in get in.
Pikachu = face of the franchise to the kids. Automatic.
Jigglypuff = not so popular over here but beloved in Japan. I don't like it but I understand it.
Lucario = was being forced into the game heavily to cross-promote at the time Brawl came out, admittedly is on par with Mewtwo's popularity now. If Mewtwo and Lucario are both in, I'm fine with it. But Lucario doesn't deserve to be in OVER Mewtwo, hence the backlash at him from Brawl.
Charizard = yep, badass factor is there plus the megas. No gripes here.
Greninja...this is the one example of a Pokemon that shouldn't be in. He wasn't even fully conceptualized in his own world - Sakurai was shown concept art, asked if he could be put in, and they just had to hope he became popular later.
Smash should be for established characters who are majorly important to their various franchises. Pikachu is. Mewtwo is. Lucario (unfortunately) is. Jigglypuff (in Japan) is. Charizard is. Greninja shouldn't be.
>>262414059 Charizard is the most popular Gen I starter, Greninja is the most popular Gen VI starter. This is the reason each of them was included, I don't know how you can feasibly argue Charizard deserves the spot while Greninja is an abomination. If you want to get into arguments like that, Greninja is far more deserving because he represents the latest generation and Charizard is yet more Gen I pandering.
>>262414741 Greninja was always planned to be included, even before the launch of X and Y. To be honest, Greninja's design is a lot more appealing than the rest of the fully evolved starters. They probably knew it was going to be the most popular because it's quite obvious.
>>262414059 >>262415739 They should pick characters based on their move potential and how unique they are among the cast. Genenji makes a better water rep than blastoise or really any of the other water starters.
Does it matter they threw him in before the game dropped? THey're not stupid. They knew he was going to be popular striaght out the gate.
>>262418798 I should mention that I mean only gen 3 for that. Gen 1 and 2 had pretty bad graphics for their systems. Gen 3 wasn't that great for the gameboy advance but it is a lot better in comparison to it's predecessors.
>>262419384 I actually wouldn't mind at all if they cut about half the FE dudes (maybe keep Marth and Avatar) and then threw in a character like Cecil, Terra, or Locke. Of course that will never happen though.
>>262419743 That's a poor argument and could be equally applied to a lot of characters. I'll allow you to have the last word, however. so respond to this as you will and I will not be responding anymore, because I can tell this would be tiresome.
>>262417401 You can go fuck yourself. Pikachu has been and always will be the protag of the anime and the most iconic of all pokemon. Pikachu was one of the original 8 starting characters in Smash 64. He has precedence going all the way back. Mewtwo was in a movie or two and is known as being the most powerful Gen I pokemon. Pikachu deserves it more, but Lucario shouldn't be in at all. He should be cut for Mewtwo. What's funny is Jigglypuff is almost guaranteed in while Mewtwo is unlikely.
>>262413342 Sakurai counts characters by entire movesets. This is why he counted Sheik and Zelda as two characters, and Samus and Zero Suit Samus as two characters. Also, yes, Mii Fighter counts as three characters based on movesets. Brawler has a moveset. Swordfighter has a moveset. Gunner has a moveset. They also each have their own three custom B moves as well, just like every character in Smash 4 has.
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