These five character are all, undeniably, better and more difficult to fight against than Little Mac.
So why is everyone bitching about Little Mac? Sure, everyone's playing him - everyone thinks he's a cool looking dude so of course new players are drawn to him.
But he doesn't have banana peels. He doesn't have Samus' insane zoning and great normals. He doesn't have Sonic's broken ass B attacks and mobility. He doesn't have Yoshi's space controlling eggs or his overwhelming combo into death potential. And he doesn't have Sheik's recovery-cockblocking needles or her ftilt ftilt ftilt ftilt fair fair death combos.
So why is everyone complaining about Little Mac again? Because of one move he has that kills? The one that's easy to bait out and doesn't guarantee a kill unless most characters are over 35-40% anyway? Because of his jab combo that OH MY GOD DOES A WHOPPING 20%?!
Be honest with me, /v/. Are you guys just
bad at Smash Bros?
I just hate how many cheaters, people who have shit internet, and people are lag switching I get paired up against. I fucking hate it and it's made me sour about playing online. Seriously, competitive smash community is disgusting if this is how they act.
99% of little mac rush right at you as soon as the match starts.
If you have counter, time it right for the lulz
If you're a Link, boomerang to grab to down throw
If you're robin throw fire right away, if he jumps over it, nosferatu
Did she really get buffed that hard? She doesn't seem to play that differently than she has in the past. Her attacks pack a little more punch but I don't see how she'll be considered much above low/average tier.
>implying ZSS and Sheik won't be the most annoying faggots on the earth to deal with
Skill floor. It's easy to be good as Little Mac, whereas it takes a lot more skill to be good with any of those characters, so naturally more people pick him instead of actually getting good.
super armor on all his smashes
free KO move for getting your shit rocked
HEAVILY favored by stage selection in 1v1 for glory mode (if stages with platforms were in he wouldn't even be viable)
The shitty thing about the army of Macs is that I am dreading the day i run into a good one.
I had the samewith SF4 and ken. Ken was everywhere online, and they are all terrible.
Then I ran into a good one and he fucking raped me. because i was so used to fighting shitty kens
She's always played mostly the same. The difference has always been the knockback. She can launch enemies more easily now than she could in Brawl, but still not nearly as well as in Melee. In that sense, she got buffed a lot, but not enough to place her in a high tier. Just enough to make her actually viable.
I don't know why people bitch about lil Mac he gets shit on hard if you know what your doing. I main Rosalina and I tell you she feels very OP and I am surprised I dont see more people bitching about her.
I haven't fought a good one yet but what's your strategy against people who'll take out the luma before going after you?
That's generally what I do and it works well enough
Play carefully if my opponent seems to be gong right after him and then punish him for going after him and not me. Also staying close to a edge so you dont have to watch one side of yourself minimizes the chance of Luma killed I find because most people will rush you and you can keep him close.
Protip: Most of those people probably don't even know they're doing it. We're in the modern age of wireless internet. I was amazed to discover I that having your internet hard wired into your console with all other connections severed wasn't "normal". Most people you're facing are sat about casually playing with their internet connection pulsating through a couple of walls, whilst simultaneously loading a game of Candy Crush for mother and Apetube for dad while the little sister browses Facebook. Probably KSA as well.
Fuck this hobby.
Shiek gives me problems as Donkey Kong. Bouncing Fish goes at just the right angle to dodge a grounded Spinning Kong, so my approach options are pretty limited if she's spamming needles. Any advice?
>tfw I've beaten all of them a lot of times before with the Mac
Thanks anon. Good advice.
You fuckers always call me a waifufag but guess what I don't give a FUCK
>fight a yoshi
>doing pretty good, racking up damage pretty good
>he lands two dairs to close the gap
>So why is everyone bitching about Little Mac?
No one good is complaining about little mac other than the free KO he gets, he's just a scrub killer. He's very easy to counter and if it wasn't for Omega style stages he would far worse off
I dunno about OP, she just has really weird hitboxes that make her awkward to fight. I rocked a decent Rosalina online with Lucario once I figured out where her hitboxes actually end
The funny thing that newbies don't seem to realize is that 'tiers' don't matter as much as people think. Having a good understanding of the game's mechanics is more important than who you're playing. Tiers really only come into play in the elite levels
>tfw everyone says Sheik is top-tier
>can't even beat classic on 8.0 with her even though I could with Zelda pretty easily
Is she just good in 1-on-1 online? I feel like certain top-tier characters suck ass in singleplayer.
You just have to psych him out, use only Ness' ( pretty good ) basic attacks to go hand to hand, then maybe mix it up with a side-b into a grab every so often when he doesn't expect it.
If you open up with B attacks, of course he's going to get into the habit of soaking them. You have to catch him off-guard, and don't develop an easily-read pattern.
Mac is the type of fighting game character I like to refer to as a "Amateur Wall", in that amateur players will have a hard time dealing with his nuts power, range, and BnB combos, but players who'll git gud at the game will eventually get over the wall and start realizing the better characters to Mac.
Let's take Marvel 3 and P4AU examples, as they're fairly recent, or in Marvel's case, relevant. Marvel 3 featured Wesker, who has stupid good range, damage, combos, etc., making him one of the most used characters and the Wall of the game, but if any player were to pass through Ranked high enough, they'd start to see that Wesker was less prevalent and more players were using characters like Zero, Frank, and Magneto, who are way better at doing shit but requiring more execution. P4AU is going through a similar phase now with Adachi, who has Ziodyne as a D attack with ridiculous range and power, but it's got shit startup time, so players will eventually work around it.
Smash 4 is still very new, so you really can't bank on which characters are the best yet, I for one think Shulk is slept on hard. Even then, don't rely 100% on tier lists, any character can be good so long as the person puts effort into how they work, I mean shit, I've seen some bretty gud Hakan players at EVO, and he's supposed to be the objective worst character.
Absolutely. TF2 is a good example of how balance at low level play differs from high level play. In low level TF2 the Pyro can obliterate teams because nobody is competent enough to play against his strengths, whereas in high level play he's considered useless.
In Smash Bros Rosalina would probably be mid tier at low level play because nobody knows how to use the Luma, but in high level play she moves significantly up.
smash on the 3ds has made me relaliz how much this game simply isn't made for a handheld.
the lag in local matches is killer
it;s generally just good for a practice mode on the go for tourney players
Still consistent great in the hands of people who don't suck. He's not an "Oh, he's simple once you get him" character.
>better than Wesker
Not until level 4. Even then, it's a toss up.
>becoming less and less brown as the series progresses
life is suffering
The game isn't balanced for it, but my friends and I have been doing a lot of 2v2 matches without items. Diddy and DK together are absolute hell to fight. Diddy's pretty strong if you've got a good keepaway game, because you can harass and then catch them hard when they try to engage on you on account of his side-b and quality smash attacks.
Just because you think otherwise doesn't mean it's a troll, as someone who has been part of the FGC since the (late) 90s, I'm actually disgusted at what's happening right now.
Is that was got nerfed? I never played him a lot previously, so I didn't feel anything. I certainly wouldn't want to play him against any of the super-light tier characters like ZSS or Sheik.