Why the hell did they bring back Dr. Mario but get rid of Ice Climbers and Snake?
>no licensing with Snake
MGS3DS did poorly, Kojima hates Nintendo because of that and wants nothing to do with them again
Why do people still insist on snake being back when it's clear that it's never going to happen due to Kojima telling Nintendo to fuck themselves?
>A Port that was an early release title and had little to no advertisement and Kojima is mad at Nintendo.
Can we get maybe a source on what you said or will we just go on and call is BS.
Need I point you to Sakurai's desert analogy again?
If Dr. Mario hadn't been in, Ice Climbers and Snake wouldn't magically get in. He's not "stealing" a slot from anyone. The only reason he's in is because he was going to be an alt but they decided to give him his own slot to bring back how Mario played pre-FLUDD.
I bet you complain about Dark Pit getting in over Lucas and Wolf too.
>go to an expensive restaurant called "Smash Bros"
>my waiter is Sakurai
>have a luxurious meal
>Sakurai asks what I would like to order for dessert
>"Well, I think I'll order the dual ice cream dish."
>Sakurai raises an eyebrow and says
>"Sorry, we can't serve that dish anymore, because lower class customers can't pay for it and we want to make things fair."
>I say "what? But I have enough money to pay for it! I got a better main course than those lower class customers anyway since my dish had more food, and it even has more comfortable utensils than the lower class dish!"
>Sakurai gets more mad
>"We already had the dual ice cream dish made, but I cannot serve it to you so I can be fair! Let me handle the man hours!"
>0/10 restaurant never visit again
Konami wasn't reached for this installment, he's a one time thing with Brawl
They were included originally till the 3DS couldn't handle them without lagging and they had an agenda for 60 FPS even in 3D.
Doctor Mario, like Dark Pit and Lucina, were alt costumes, extra development time pushed them as characters. This however does not ensue "Stealing a spot"copy edit and pasting are a fuck ton more easier to do with such little time. Infact Sakurai said all of Melee's clone's effort combined would barely make a unique character
That's not a real meal. It doesn't count.
This is irrelevant. It's like complaining future Soul Caliber games weren't released on Wii and Wii U with Link every single time. It was a one time bonus deal between the companies. The only reason we have Sonic again is because it's the only good game he'll ever star in again and Sega knows it.
>Play Classic Mode with the doc
>Get his trophy
>Decide to look at his description
>He is different from Mario because Doctor Mario is stronger, but slower
>Slower then Mario
Why is this allowed?
>yfw you were alive to see the 4 biggest names in videogames in one game
Sakurai did not want to put effort into making a new character for Kerfuffle, so he just tweaked an existing character in Kerfuffle, which was infinitely many times easier than porting, remodeling, tweaking for a brand new game, engine, meta, new voices, animations, and a billion other things that fit into the game.
If it's so fucking easy to port characters from Brawl, Wolf wouldn't have been cut and we'd have even more retro stages. Enough of the slot shit. As much as I miss the two characters, Dr. Mario and Dark Pit have nothing to do with it.
what is funny about ice Climbers is that it is possible to actually hear the crowd cheer for them if you play Villager against Dr Mario so they must have tried their hardest to try to include them
>MGS3DS did poorly, Kojima hates Nintendo because of that and wants nothing to do with them again
Wrong as fuck, he told sakuari that it would be completely fine to use snake for the new smash. Maybe you should look stuff up before you shitpost breh.
Why do people even want snake back?
He barely and relevance with Nintendo outside of a few games which were all just ports.
Megaman, Sonic and even fucking pacman have more relevance with Nintendo than snake ever had
>He barely and relevance with Nintendo
>Pac-Man won't either
>They get replaced by Bubsy and an iDOLM@STER rep
>Little Mac is cut in favor of Dr. Dark Pit
One game is enough to end friendships.
Just look at mario party
>>267922686 is talking about how Sakurai refuses to make new games even remotely competitive even though literally no one besides video games journalism cared that Melee was competitive
>love theme and metal cow gears in shadow moses stage
>pretty much promoting MGS4 before it even released
First off, why would you assume that Konami hate Nintendo because of the success (or lack thereof)? Blaming them would be unwarrented cuz it's not Nintendo's responsibility to market that product. The success of the product, especially of a rerelease, lies on the marketing support from the developer.
That's pretty much every single third party dev/pub is doing with nintendo.
Game does poorly because we did a half assed job porting it/advertising it?
Fucking Nintendo, ruining our game sales.
>yfw a lot of people didn't make it
>yfw they probably had badly drawn pictures in their notebooks of their dream battle that would be called crazy for thinking it would ever happen
>they will never see it actually happen
Back in 2013 after E3 there was an IGN interview with Sakurai, he brung up that limitations are making it hard, specifically talking about Ice Climbers and that there's a problem implementing them.
He told us this an entire year in advance.
It is in some part Nintendo's fault that they avoid making games for them.
Nintendo advertised their system very poorly too.
Some of that hate is justified.
Third party with Nintendo has been bleeding for years.
I feel kind of bad for him.
He really doesn't want to make more Metal Gear, but he keeps making it.
For some reason he can't make a bad Metal Gear game.
I hope he never realizes that to get out of making MGS, he has to fuck up big time.
Nothing says support for the WiiU like porting an old game with no online, no included dlc, announcing it wont get dlc support, extra features and selling it at $60 while selling the GOTY edition that has all the dlc, online modes, extra features and the first two games bundled in for $20.
Why would you want Ice Climbers when you can have the free dessert that is Dark Pit after such a luxurious meal?
Now it has picked up, but another problem is that when people buy Nintendo, they really don't buy much more than Nintendo.
A big part is hardware differences between the Wii U and other consoles. Nintendo is able to make fantastic games for the Wii U because they always are very good with their own hardware.
Third parties want to make the most profit for the lowest price.
That usually involves ports, which will limit the game on other consoles due in part to lazy development, so it's easier for them to avoid the console.
It's a shame, but nothing new.
There will be some good third party games for the platform, but don't expect them to be ports.
Bayo2 is a great example of a 3rd party game on wiiu, but if it doesn't pull in CoD levels of sales then they don't bother.
Now it's just gimped ported WiiU games at full $60 with less everything than the $20 ultimate edition ps360
How do pubs/devs expect people to buy their games if they're literally just shitting on their consumers?