>>270893843 This. Her job was done and he didn't need her anymore. I get the impression that their friendship was pretty one-sided with Link thinking that she cared more about him than she actually did.
Honestly now I don't even know why the premise was used to start Majora's Mask. She's never mentioned by name and doesn't comes up outside of the intro. Even when Link gets a mask that helps him find fairies.
>>270892987 Because he only had Navi because of the quest to save Hyrule. Since time travel shenanigans made it so everyone forgot about Link saving them in return for peace, he left to find a new adventure and become a hero, without Navi.
>>270901513 That doesn't jive with the fanfiction accounting of Ganon's 7 year reign that I read.
Where he rapes every woman in Hyrule, then develops a fondness for young girls. A revelation which leads Kakariko's survivors to avoid pregnancy in total to avoided visitation. Oh with the except of the lab scientist and flophouse matriarch because he wasn't interested in them. Oh and Malon, because Ingo vehemently insisted he ran LonLon all by himself
>>270904445 >>270901513 I know this is bullshit; but thinking about this: it'd probably be really awkward for Link to get with a girl because of his companion.
I mean Navi and Tatl fly to whatever Link looks at; so hopefully they'd circling the chick's head instead of just her tits. But even assuming he gets past third base; she'll have to take a pounding while a strobe light is circling around her head. Fi would pop up and interrupt Link just because she saw something and absolutely had to mention it. Tetra is constantly eavesdropping on Link; so when he pays that street girl on windfall 30 rupees to suck it; she'll know all about it. Midna is always hiding on Link's person, so she might pop out after Link went through the trouble of taking Iila just to be a dick. Ghost Zelda would probably do the same And Elzo would probably bitch about being left on the floor.
>>270895442 Yes and no. He did save Hyrule, but only in the future. He went back and told Zelda what happened and had Ganon arrested, so he wouldn't cause all the destruction again the first time. Since the future didn't tehnically happen, because of that, Link wasn't remembered as the "Hero of Time". It's really a doubled-edged sword.
>>270914679 Its a dialogue between her and Romani in the third night, when she realizes that the moon its going to fall and kill them. She offers some Chateau Romani (to drunk and numb her) and asks her to sleep together... pretty sad moment :(
>>270892987 I'm sure we'll never know. We the player merely witness Link's adventure as he goes about saving the land from a terrible evil. What comes after that is never recorded, we can only hope that the Hero of Time found who he was looking for.
>>270918745 Unlikely given that the remakes are just side projects and not in-house but Nintendo loves easy money. Making a Zelda, handheld or not, that follows up MM and advertising it as such would guarantee money.
>>270892987 >>270905119 Navi is your "Navigator". She exist merely to help Link, her role is a mantle that's passed from one Navigator to another. >Navi >Tatle >King of Red Lion >Ciela >Minda >Fi Link's assistant never leaves him. They're always with him.
>>270924173 Yeah you're exaggerating on how that's annoying. Particularly in the wake of Fi. The companion with multiple interjection alert sequences, yammers on three times as long as any prior companion, and is scripted so intrusive and handholdy she will without the player pressing the Companion button actually stop the game during nonplot sections to forcibly tell you you're playing it wrong.
Saying "Hey" once every 15 minutes doesn't compare.
>>270924857 She's still annoying to the point of frustration that there's no way to disable her.
The worst is when you just ignore her and a few minutes later hit C-up to view in firs person mode and instead you're greeted with slow text, "Let's see what's going on in Kakariko Village!" for the 20th time when you have no plans to go there and know you'll have to continue to endure it.
>>270925468 Then I just need to say; you're a fool for not using the hookshot for freelooking. Because you never, ever need to hit C^.
Further you're still exaggerating how much an inconvenience it is; because no navi-hint takes longer than 3 seconds to propagate. Your complaint is absolutely trivial and blindly directed at Navi, since literally every other companion would be giving you more grief if this on its own was your issue.
>>270926541 Well, I disagree with you, but I won't bother continuing this. I was surprised, actually, at how annoying I found her in my last playthrough. I thought it was just an epic meme too, like you seem to.
>>270927514 >take out the trash >i heard you already >take out the trash >i heard you already >take out the trash >i heard you already >take out the trash >i heard you already >take out the trash >i heard you already
>>270931052 Yeah, after going back to Hyrule, becoming knighted, died without passing his skills on, I'm repeating what >>270931259 said to clarify this. point is TP Link is the descendant of OoT/MM Link, so if he had died in MM TP literally wouldn't've happened.
>At the end of his bloody battles, the peace having settled, she left >The return to normalcy couldn't be done without her >He left to search for her in the Lost Woods, where fairies are >Wound up finding another land craving for a Hero >Wordlessly rose up to the challenge and saved yet another land >Can't even celebrate the carnival, he's out of place. >He's looking for someone >Leaves into the woods once more >Never found her >Became lost in the Lost Woods >Turned into a Stalfos, couldn't pass on his teachings to the next hero >Died with regrets
>>270934820 I really can't see how this plays out in anyone's mind. I'd say at most the journey of OOT should take 3 weeks accounting for the optional stuff Link may waste time with. That's the entire span of his relationship with Navi. Saria was reputed to be Link's only friend for all 7-12 or howevermany years of his life he lived before Navi finally was sent to him.
Honestly why the hell should Link fall to obsession with Navi like she was his only friend? I mean Saria surely heard Mido's story about Link killing the Deku Tree, and she didn't care or give the story any credence.
Friendly reminder that the Hero's Shade is not OoT Link but a much older progenitor.
Anything that requires an off-screen bad end in which the villain wins to work, is noncanon and violates narrator moral, much moreso in a series like Zelda with an obvious positive creator's intent. You can't seriously believe that Link died, was banished back in time, and then was relegated to the life of a lingering spectre of pride formed of unmet resolutions (against the very lesson we last see him learn). Additionally, in TP he is known as a hero. Even if you're gullible enough to swallow the third timeline, if one clause of a statement is wrong, then it reasons that it's all wrong by stare desiesis.
>>270937673 They're alternate universes, mayn. Ganondorf killed Link in one, Link got sent back in time and changed fate, leaving a universe without a Hero and a universe where Ganon was convicted. If you're deluding yourself into believing that Hyrule Historia isn't canon, then maybe reevaluation is needed.
>>270937673 Wasn't the theory - or, I guess, official story now with the timeline and all - that Link didn't die, but banished Ganon, somehow split up with Navi, went out to search for her, died in the woods either before MM (if you want to go real conspiratory) or after MM (lost wood, stalfos, etc.). No-one's arguing he died during OoT.
>>270937909 Ok, ok, you caught me off-guard because I just copypasted that. BUT you're just a sheep for a yesman who knows something about Zelda if you honestly believe that the third timeline is not reason enough to disregard everything in HH as non-canon. Hot dang, do you even into logic hombre?
There is no third timeline in the series. Even ALBW denies it very implicitly. It says that Ganon was sealed ONCE! Read my lips, Uno. Une. Ein. Ichi. ONE time. Not two. That's because ALttP Ganon is a different Ganon for which you have ZERO reason to link to OoT Ganon. And ALBW is the game that was supposed to verify the third timeline according to Ao-everywordoutofmymoughtisalie-numa.
>>270938323 >>270938707 Googled that shit and found this: >The ghost of the hero who teaches Link his secrets. Some theorize that the fact he holds his sword in his left hand indicates he is actually Link from Ocarina of Time. — Hyrule Historia
So I guess they intentionally keep it vague? Still, it's pretty much OoT => MM => TP.
TP is a direct sequel to OoT, I'm not sure how you're confused about this. Time returns from Termina and lives his life in Hyrule, but dies with regret that he couldn't pass on his techniques because everyone else was too shitty at swordsmanship to learn them. So when he dies, he becomes a ghost. TP Link comes along and now OoT Link can teach him the stuff and let go of his regret. He did not become a Stalfos. This is stated in no uncertain terms in Hyrule Historia, the supreme dictator of canon (for better or worse).
>>270939408 Anon you seem to think that there is some debate to be had when there isn't. Nintendo has spoken. You're trying to convince me the sky is red. Besides he's not even a fucking skeleton like a Stalfos, his ghost parts all have skin and muscle. Just look at him.
>>270937673 >You can't seriously believe that Link died, was banished back in time, and then was relegated to the life of a lingering spectre of pride formed of unmet resolutions
Is that how it's described in Hyrule Historia? I thought the failure timeline Link (the one that supposedly dies) and the Hero's Shade Link (child timeline Link) existed in separate timelines. Are you saying they're the same?
I don't remember reading anything about the Hero's Shade being sent back in time.
>>270939103 Never read the Hyrule Historia, because I never liked the idea of an official timeline. I looked into it a bit further now, though, so I guess I'll sum it up.
Hero's Shade is indeed the The Hero of Time, but he's just a ghost with a regret - not a stalfos. Hence the wolf form he takes on in the world of the living; he's not bound to one form. He directly mentions that the skills he teach TP Link go in their bloodline, so he obviously didn't die during MM as he lived long enough to father a child to carry on their bloodline.
>>270937697 But that's not friendship. What you're describing is a status symbol. A futile one even since Link wasn't really going to belong in the Kokiri Forest anyway between y'know killing their god and really not being a 'real' Kokiri whether or not he had a fairy.
Link by the narration in MM expressly has some interest in finding Navi. But wanderlust had to factor into the equation somewhere. He didn't just gallop away from Termina when he had the Ocarina and Epona back. He stayed, helped, made new friends, and actually ran into an old one or two, just not that particular one.
>>270940541 >but that's not friendship How do we know it didn't blossom into friendship? If you're going to save the world with someone, chances are you're going to get to know them pretty well. Besides, Navi had that little thing about fighting together against Ganon, since you couldn't z-target Ganondorf. It may have not meant much to you, but it was a nice little moment and gives inference that they must have done everything together.
>He didn't just gallop away Anon, that's precisely what happened. After all was said and done, after he saved Termina, he just peaced on out to continue looking.
"Well.. It's almost time for the Carnival to begin. So, why don't you just leave and go about your business? The rest of us have a carnival to go to." Then he rides off.
>>270940003 I'm talking about the outcome on each of the three timelines respectively.
We're to believe Link was killed off-screen, then another Link was sent back in time until his spirit reincarnated hundreds of years later (some unlearned individuals would even think TWW Link is a new Link and completely miss the point of the hero's story), and lastly that that Link replaced his original self; who died with regret after selflessly leaving Hyrule, saving another kingdom, and leaving it. Even with TP offering counter-evidence at every turn, that 1. The Hero of Time had a fulfilled life of which countless tales are told and 2. Isn't the Hero's Shade. Is "Your actions bring disgrace to the proud green of the hero you wear!" something you tell someone about the tunic he's wearing if you've lived a life of regret with it?
>>270941737 >The Hero of Time had a fulfilled life of which countless tales are told What? on TP timeline no tales of OoT are told since they never actually happened. The green tunic comes from SS Link, TP Link got a chainmail along with the tunic while on WW Link got a green tunic with no armor just like OoT did.
>>270941472 >After all was said and done Yes; after. After he made a positive change in the lives of people in the world in general, after he rescued his friend from a curse, and after he actually saved this world from destruction. Then he moved on.
He didn't take a onceover of Termina find out that Navi wasn't there, and say "fuck it". Then leave the world to its doom because it didn't register on his radar. I know you're not saying he was only a hero because of Navi. But I'm pointing out Link wasn't so self-centered about what he was doing. Also I guess as a rider to that status symbol comment; he made no attempt to coerce Tatl to accompany him after the fact. So at the very least it's clear that this isn't a matter of Link trying to get any old fairy to fill the void.
>>270942009 That's just reinforcing what I'm saying you foolish took. Read between the lines.
His swordsmanship are ways that do not leave his bloodline. How the hell would Link know this? Why on earth would we he be so obligated to pass them down to someone, that he couldn't do so to a knight not of his lineage if he DIED regreting not being able to find someone? For what purpose in high heaven do these moves matter so much that he MUST pass them on, when they weren't assets in his greatest fight against evil and were learned after? Who in Hyrule taught Link these moves?
A status symbol that separates Kokiri from non-Kokiri. I could see why Link would desire a fairy companion (since he considerd himself a Kokiri at that point) and why he would feel some sort of attachment to it once he finally got it.
>A futile one even since Link wasn't really going to belong in the Kokiri Forest
Link didn't know that until the Deku Tree told him, though. And even then, he had spent his entire life up until that point thinking he was a Kokiri. I don't think the Deku Tree telling him 'Hey, you're actually a Hylian' would snap him out of the that mind set immediately.
It's possible that by the end of OoT he still viewed his meeting with Navi as the moment where he finally got a fairy and became a 'real' Kokiri, even though it later turned out that he was never a real Kokiri to begin with. At any rate, I wouldn't be surprised if he had some fondness for that moment.
I agree that his friendship with Saria was stronger though, assuming you're this anon. >>270936542
>>270944184 >Link didn't know that until the Deku Tree told him, though. And even then, he had spent his entire life up until that point thinking he was a Kokiri. I don't think the Deku Tree telling him 'Hey, you're actually a Hylian' would snap him out of the that mind set immediately. Didn't Rauru tell him that? I mean being his guide to the world of tomorrow?
>>270944558 If he isn't a retard, by the moment he realized he grew up should have been enough to question his race. He knows Kokiris does not age and when he came back to the forest and saw everyone but him still being the same he must have realized he wasn't one by himself, Deku tree was only a confirmation.
>>270937673 >Anything that requires an off-screen bad end in which the villain wins to work, is noncanon and violates narrator moral
What is a "what if" timeline.
Seriously the games that fit in the Hero Die's timeline only exist storywise because Link was killed. Past and Future have the joint that the whole Ocarina story still happens to Ocarina Link so those two should really be called True Ending timeline (Hyrule Saved, Hero sent to the past) and Paradox timeline (Ocarina Link sent from the future stops Ganon's plans in the present timeline)
>>270941737 The "hero fails" timeline is a cop-out so they can stick all of the older 2D games on the timeline because they clearly did not have an overarching chronology in mind when they made those games.
I don't think it was that. Navi had to return to wherever the fuck she came from because reasons. Link was probably hurt that he left him behind that's why he went searching for her. It's kinda the same story as Skull Kid and the Giants. Skull Kid thought the Giants stopped being his friends, when in reality they just went back being guardians, while never stopping to consider him their friends. The same applies to Navi. That's the lesson Link learned in Termina
>>270943859 That's not what Hyrule Historia says. It says he regrets not being "remembered as a hero." Ugh, so stupid. Also, he doesn't mentioned anything but that he failed to convey it to those who came after. Which is too broad to ascribe to other hero's, which in that case, why again would the Hero's Shade need to be Link?
>>270945759 No such thing as a what if timeline in an interactive medium. Only multiverses, that you play in. Zelda if anything is aso close to a veritable "What if" story stemming from the core of a narrative. "What if Link had gone back in time and stopped Ganondorf?"
>>270947527 Bzzzzzzzt! WRONG-O. Do not try again. Head straight to Jail. Do not pass Go!
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