Can someone explain to me why AMD is so terrible in terms of their GPU's?
>new nvidia cards, get more powerful and use WAY less energy TPD
>new AMD cards coming out
>300 fucking watts TPD
AMD is fucking garbage, i wouldnt touch one of their cards with a 10 foot fucking pole
AMD is a feeble company, they have barely innovated shit since Intel started kicking their ass with their ix cpus.
Same thing for GPUs, they just release stronger versions of the same fucking die without any real technological innovation.
And before you say MANTLE, right now it's just a buggy piece of shit with the same kind of support early DX11 games had with DX11.
nvidia has had worse drivers for the past six months
support is meh
no cards have overheated to the point of failure if properly ventilated. Higher temps =! overheating
As long as it runs below 90º it's good to go.
I still remember when Fermi was a thing and nvidia niggers kept crying that 110ºc was just fine
>tfw AMD will never give Intel any real competition in the enthusiast CPU market
>tfw AMD will never give Nvidia any real competition in the enthusiast GPU market
every year i keep hoping that AMD is finally going to get its shit together and i'll actually have more than 1 company to choose from, but every year i just get disappointed again.
>buy AMD 5770 for 150 europoors
>still can mostly max the shit out of new games (except AC4 and AC:U)
>looking for new graphicscard
>look up nvidia cards
>less powerful than the 5770 from 2009
nvidia is the jewish jew I've ever met.
On average their hardware is amazing but their driver support lacks. Lately they have been getting better. I used to roll with the green team but I have gone red for a while now.
Sometimes I just can't tell if you people are shitposting or actually serious.
>Can someone explain to me why AMD is so terrible in terms of their CPU's?
Their gpus are ok
cpus are a complete joke
>new radeon cards use 300w TPD
and you know that how?
better safe than sorry, AMD recommends bigger PSU than necessary
Nvidia's lies can burn your rig
>>tfw AMD will never give Nvidia any real competition in the enthusiast GPU market
what is 295x2 and 4k gaming?
>look at comments on people who bought an 295x2
>Cons: Adds to the room heat, which at this time of year is nice as I now have a space heater in this cold room :)
good to know AMD is still there to laugh at
Now that you've got that wicked fast gaming pc built, time to start downloading games!
Gow did the "AMD sucks lel" meme started anyway? Was it around the time the 970 started getting shilled every day here on /v/ or before that?
I know AMD cpus are a joke right now, but their GPUs are no different than Nvidia in terms or price/performance, yet it somehow became a /v/ shitposting pasttime.
Is this that fucking how to cook guy
They've had hot cards and inferior drivers, which is an established fact by the way, for a long time.
Nvidia recently got their cards running really cool with the 900 series.
It looks like their trying to fix the driver issues/memes with the latest Omega drivers, which fix hundreds of bugs and add a lot of new features.
It'll be interesting to see what they do with their new cards, and how Nvidia will respond.
>which is an established fact by the way
>their GPUs are no different than Nvidia in terms or price/performance,
Before the price slashing panic, Nvidia was the pinnacle of price/performance with their 970. After AMD readjusted their prices, their R9 290x got more in line with the competition. The damage is done though, most people still want the brand new 970 over AMD's year old cards.
>290/290x are price/performance leaders for months on end
>nvidia shills make fun off price/performance
>970 has good price/performance for a brief moment
>nvidia shills are suddenly all about price/performance
they are fine. Nvidia were just the first ones to introduce architecture featuring shutting down parts of the core, hence the super low TDP of 9xx series compared to R2xxs. The Q1 3xx cards will most likely feature this.
>implying I just use them for game downloads and torrents and not important shit
One of my seagates has been going for over 4 years
>downloading and saving porn
Remember the leafblower jokes from the FX 5900 series? Or the exploding Fermi cards?
Because apparently nobody does since it gets in the way of parroting crap about AMD
I'm not even a fanboy because I've owned both but I fucking hate these threads so lets go.
Proprietary bullshit is not innovation
>shit power consumption
These could describe both until very recently.
>OMG! My favorite scat porn was deleted! Where will I get my jollies now? I wish I saved it, but at least my hard drive space is nice and clear!
Nvidia definitely had their problem cards and issues. But they mostly fixed them. AMD is now in the process of fixing a lot of the well known issues, which is good. Competition only benefits the buyers.
AMD had a very a skilled GPU team in a city where AMD was the only company to offer jobs to these GPU designers. Apple came along and put a facility right next to AMD and bought out the entire engineering team off AMD by offering ridiculous salaries and benefits to them. AMD is crippled due to the majority of its talent now working at Apple.This happened shortly before Hawaii's release.
I've rigged up a spare case fan to cool vrm 1 (seriously Nvidia - put fucking sensors on your vrms) and i'm aiming for 1200 core.
I doubt I will reach it but I know 1175 is stable with a minor voltage bump from the pic. Still, pushing my card this hard is like pushing a 970 to 1700mhz. It is still a pretty monstrous overclock on air and will surpass a stock 980 (with it boosting) in a lot of games.
That said there is no doubt the 980 is the faster card overall, but it costs more than I paid for my 290x 6 months ago - let alone 290x prices now.
Oh and before /v/ shitposts remember - i'm running this thing with with over a 15% overclock (compared to stock).
I've never found a video worthy of saving. I just look for new shit to float my boat. I do have some bookmarked tho, but if they get removed, who the fuck cares. I'll just find new shit.
>Open technologies like TressFX using GPGPU that can work on any brand of GPU if manufacturers so desire.
>Created Mantle and started the low level access craze which is why DX12 is going to be a thing
>First to implement DX10.1
>First to implement DX11
>First to implement HMB next year
3P still have gross tdp and noise though because there's only so much you can do with the reference.
What's really going to decide things though is the 980ti/990/whatever and 390.
Firepros are going for stupidly low money right now (well, low for the professional market) and with Apple onside it is helping AMD eat away at Nvidia's market share.
iirc AMD has gained a 5% market share in the last few months with their firepro cards. With opengl and opencl rising to prominence AMD's focus on them might pay off.
(this is just the summary - the entire article is worth a read).
Hector Ruiz ruined the company.
He can compete with Carly Fiorina as empire destroyer of the decade.
AMD lives and breathes off of the enthusiast market. Their attempt to crack the server market has been a complete flop. They will never have the same support as IBM, HP, or Intel on their budget.
I'm a different anon to the one that made that claim.
I honestly doubt AMD is going to let Apple yoink their talent when there is a serious push (especially on the cpu side of the business) to get ahead (or at least equal) the competition. It is why AMD is trying to leverage freesync (with samsung onboard we might see it become popular) and Mantle (which has a faster adoption rate than DX11 did).
Personally I don't see freesync or gsync really exploding, but Mantle is a game changer - even if it forces MS to unfuck DX.
I originally had a 760 in it. Was going to get a second, but decided to get a nice single card.
Will get a new monitor at some point, but for now I'm ok with it. I can use DSR on a lot of games which is nice.
They are terrible overall AMD CPU also sucks balls.
AMD is literally the buzzword factory, every iteration they come up with more buzzwords and yet still behind Intel/NVIDIA.
Every legit PC gamer knows Intel/NVIDIA is objectively superior in every aspect.
inb4 muh costs
If you want to be a true mustard you better open your wallet instead of being a cheapo AMDfag.
>AMD lives and breathes off of the enthusiast market
Do they? The fact they discontinued the AM3 socket and FX line of CPUs, and their APUs don't ship as anything above quad-core doesn't fit that strategy.
Their GPU department does, however.
>Their attempt to crack the server market has been a complete flop
They had the server market on their hands back in the Opteron (k8) era. I remember their market share was pretty considerable for a "small" company compared to Intel and IMB.
But like with desktop it all went to shit as soon as they released Bulldozer.
>Hector Ruiz ruined the company.
>He can compete with Carly Fiorina as empire destroyer of the decade.
its funny all this amdrioids hailed him as the second coming of jesus, when he already fucked up motorolas cpu devision.
Anon,whenever you see posts like that, you ignore them. Because "most games" always translates to toaster titles. Then when you ask them for a taxing game they call it shit or make an excuse.
Their APU setups are really amazing for what they are. Sure they don't beat intel on the cpu side but as a complete package (which means you have to consider the GPU) AMD APUs are years ahead of Intel.
Mostly because Intel cannot into GPUs. With AMD pushing HBM before anyone else (they have a history of being the first on new memory types) we could see their APU's getting a huge boost in performance soon.
Honestly for mustard this is all meaningless - but given a shitload of people play on toasters and laptops it would be a very handy way of undercutting both Intel and Nvidia in the mobile space.
Well, if they leverage GCN's strengths they will (Ryse does - which is why a 290x will beat a 980).
>But like with desktop it all went to shit as soon as they released Bulldozer.
because it was a crap product which didn't lived up to the performance they promised.
Same reason, why the P4 bombed and amd could snatch quite some market share from intel.
DX12 was announced shortly after AMD made their Mantle plans public, and they had nothing to show aside from the concept and expected improvements.
They still haven't, for that matter, yet Mantle is already a thing with games out there supporting it.
Microsoft hadn't yet started designing DX12 beyond scribbles in a whiteboard when AMD surprised everyone with Mantle.
So, fair enough, AMD did not start it, but they sure had the initiative and made the market rush things forcing Microsoft hands to announce DX12 before they even had anything to show.
>State proven facts
AMD shill at finest.
>Can someone explain to me why AMD is so terrible in terms of their GPU's?
The good ones are monsters worthy of legend.
The not so good ones will run at stock and little more. While money is always an object I tend to suggest cos tri-x minimum or go home. Though the PCS+ seems to get mixed reviews (either amazing praise or scathing hatred) - can't deny its ability to cool with a heatsink that is a slot thick.
where do you think all that waste heat goes? The earth is a closed system. Once it's in the atmosphere it's stuck there forever. If people keep buying AMD cards, pretty soon the whole planet will be cooking to death.
>amdrioids hailed him as the second coming of jesus
When was this?
Stock holders like him because he acted like the company had money when it was really running on a shoestring budget. Consumers never liked this clown.
Cards overheating has NOTHING to do with AMD or Nvidia. The reference cards they design are good to go. Dumbass manufacturers fuck it up and make unsafe cards but slap GAYMUR on the side and people eat it up.
>The earth is a closed system.
>Once it's in the atmosphere it's stuck there forever.
Mantle is practically a copy/paste of the Xbone's API implementation.
The hard part for Microsoft is going to be getting Intel and nVidia onboard without them blowing a fucking gasket.
Getting devs on board is going to be another battle. DX10 barely gained traction. DX11 is rotting for the most part. Getting dev houses to code to particular cards is a step backwards in terms of development.
>dumbass liberal in charge of understanding muh global warming
Heat is lost to space. If no heat ever escaped then why would greenhouse gases in the atmosphere matter at all?
fx 8320 competes with i5s $200 cpu at ~130$ price point
In the $200 and below category amd win in value. What does nividia have, 750ti? of course, it changes with each gen, so just buy whats cheapest and best for you in your price range.
I have both an i5 and a 7970, come at me bros.
>not one of the most non-funcitonal, awkward shells in computer history
>not requiring 3rd party applications to make it useable
>not being an awkward transition between tablets and desktop
Apple had it right: consolidate the backend, let the UIs be where they are appropriate. Unified experience will never happen.
>DX10 barely gained traction. DX11 is rotting for the most part
And whose fault is that? Couldn't possibly be Microsoft's and their focus on their console department, could it?
Intel, AMD and Nvidia are all caught in a loop where they're holding each other's dicks and refusing to go, and it's causing the CPU/GPU market to stagnate.
Except in mobile/tablet shit, I guess. But desktop PC is moving at a fucking crawl nowadays; what happened to all those technology gurus who talked about how tech would advance so fast each year that our CPU and GPUs would become twice as powerful up into infinity?
Power usage wise nothing competes with hte 750ti. Performance wise it gets its shit slapped by a R7 265.
The real genius of the 750ti is it lets anyone with a shit-tier prebuilt slap the card in and rival a ps4 for a lot less money (or similar money if starting from scratch).
Generally speaking it is the fact a huge % of people are gaming on underpowered laptops and ancient DX9 cards.
They're not. Often they tend to provide better value and now even though they're behind a gen a 290X tends to be better at 4K than a GTX 980.
Their issue now is that they need to get their new cards out since the 970 is very good value while also being cool and OCing well.
you forgot your AMD CPU needs an aftermarket cooler if you don't want to melt your PC
also you are left with 4 cores doing nothing in games, meaning half the money you spend on it is useless.
An i3 performs better than any AMD in single threaded aplications
>tfw have a r9 290x
almost 11 months in and i am still doing good, heat and sound have never been an issue and the card have been performing great in all games. Well, except the rain scene in evil within in the beginning, and in far cry 4.
tfw I run an 8350 and two 970's
tfw anytime faggots argue with me about muh intel I laugh
tfw I run 3 monitors and have no reason to even turn on my second gpu 90% of the time unless I am encoding a ton of videos for "MUH GPU ACCELERATED encoding"
tfw encoding with 8 cores + like 1092102109 cuda cores
>I stream all the time
>people refuse to believe I stream at 1080p in my quality without an intel
>joked on them I use 4 of my cores for encoding and the other 4 are auto managed to run my vidya
>ehehehehehehehehe amd doesn't have hyperthreading you lose m80
>tfw they have the equivalent of HT and have had it for years
>tfw shitters try to argue me running @ 5.2ghz is impossible and requires super elite cooling system and psu
>tfw I built my rig so sub 1k dollars
I can run this bitch ragged and still have enough money to buy 2-3 more fx 8350's for what I Would have paid for an intel.
A lot of mustards are bitter about DX10 when it was sold as the second coming of GRFX and all we got are pretty waterfalls in Call of Juarez. Pile on with the fact that you needed new hardware and Vista to use it.
Then you have the fact that MS gutted PC gaming by paying devs to go multiplat, who then transitioned to Sony and Nintendo in a fit of irony.
Here's your reply.
>I run an 8350 and two 970's
>I run 3 monitors and have no reason to even turn on my second gpu 90% of the time
I turned enhanced godrays of, and i just can't run the game stable at 60. This seems to be a problem with AMD GPUs becuase ubisoft sucked Nvidias dick. So i don't think the problem lays on my end as of why i cant run far cry 4 at stable 60 in firefights, and places where there is a lot of people and so on without dipping to 30.
Not even a 980 runs it at locked 60 - only an average if 60.
My FC4 average is probably around 57fps - I get enormous fps when just looking at shit but driving around the world gives me dips into the low 30's.
That said I am severely gimped by my cpu - running a 8320 at 4.2ghz.
8.1 is just as shit as 8 for gaming. Have you seen those benchmarks? up to half the performance of w7? No wonder Total Biscuit is always bugging out about games not being ported well. Who the fuck uses Win 8 for gaming?
Yeah i have a i5 2500k non clocked. Getting a new CPU fan though so perhaps i will clock it then. Still, it sucks they got ubisoft Kiev to port it to PC, as the performance of the game just is pretty bad. Far cry 3 ran much better..
When you can't get Dazloader to work on your UEFI motherboard, and you can't force the motherboard into legacy BIOS. I had to pirate 8.1 to use on my PC, lest I felt like buying 7 or installing XP on it.
>mfw FX6300 and HD7870
I don't care what you say. Even Tom's Hardware was fellating the 7870 when I bought it and the 6300 is pretty much the only CPU AMD makes worth buying.
smart people havent bought reference design cards since the 8800gt single slot version
>mfw 93 degrees at 100% fan speed
>24 fps in crysis 1 max settings 900p in 2007
I have a six year old Seagate 149Gb that still runs silent as an external HDD. It's been dropped several times, twice in the middle of a transfer to it. Never had a problem with it.
Reminder that GPU market needs some serious competition. I'd like to see a new face, but we all know that won't happen.
We're stuck with two (three if Intel is counted) choices and they're both terrible.
I primarily use only 2 monitors at any given time and the second gpu only ever gets turned on if I plan on playing racing sims or jerking off while running benchmarks.
I find overclocking a single 970 and monitoring its voltage works out better than just booting up two fireballs in my case.
Surprisingly the 970 oc'ed out performs multiple crossfire/sli setups I have tested.
Also OBS refuses to work on a shit ton of games when sli.
Tempted to buy a single 980 and see how it compared to the 970's but don't feel it is worth it yet.
I own both amds and intels bruh.
currently selling 5 intel machines I built for a lan I hosted for CS:GO last year
I have better luck overclocking with amd's then I do with intels.
Everything I run is all liquid cooled so temperatures are rarely an issue for me it has more to do with mobo/psu I find then the actual CPU and I can run amd cpus into the ground for next to nothing(cost wise)
>128gb ssd drives
>500gb 7200 rpm shitter satamobile drives
>benq 120hz monitors
tfw the lan center I hosted it at only had pc's that could run LoL decently and chugged for every other game
made a deal with them to build 20 machines and they would lease / buy them off of me after the event.
>buy AMD FX8350
>stock fan hits 80°C+
>also loud as fuck its sounds like a fucking jet
>CPU uses 111Watts
>had to disable every power saving feature even with low temps,(Max 40°c with evo 212) otherwise I get shit performance
>Turbo is crap
Now that I changed my bios settings and cooler I have no problems with the cpu.
>buy AMD 280(HD7950 Cuz that all and does rebranded shit)
>constant throtting down
>have to up the tdp limit by 40% using a BIOS editor
>stuttering even with 60+ fps, hick ups all the time
, even using low settings, to update drivers I have to use a 3Rd party software on safemode to remove old drivers first.
>stalker cop is full if bugs on directx so does a bunch of games
>buy gtx 970
>smooth as fuck, zero problems, no regrets.
AMD? Never again.
Good for you.
Doesn't change the fact that Seagate drives are, on average, less reliable than the competition.
i5 2500k @ 4.2ghz will get you 60 fps in f-zero gx (dolphin emulator) in 2kHD with a gtx760, or 60fps with simple realistic tweaks for 2kHD gtaIV and some hd textures. (hd car models are for 1080p with a gtx760)
i dont understand video game optimization at all for modern games when i use that as a point of reference
okay coming from somebody who has owned various cards from both manufactures there really isnt a huge difference in quality that isnt time dependent. at certain times AMD has beat out nVidia and vice versa, its a changing market but you still are going to get a good card from either one, nVidia is generally more expensive but more forgiving if you dont cool it right and AMD cards have a wider selection and lower pricing but you need to know how to cool the damn thing
funny how from the same guy the same system with the same benchmarks suddenly perform 10-60% worse in only one month
>Surprisingly the 970 oc'ed out performs multiple crossfire/sli setups I have tested.
Then you're probably testing some really shitty ones since 1 970 isn't some godsend miracle of performance.
I've enjoyed the Seagate as an external far more than the 500Gb Toshiba that was originally in the enclosure. The Toshiba would stop and start constantly in the middle of a transfer, I've never had that issue once I put the Seagate in there. That and the Toshiba could keep you awake at night, same as the HGST in my laptop.
the i5 goes to 4.2 with not alot of extra power, considering the regular intel boost goes from 3.3 to 3.67 ghz.
my corsair 750 plat rating power supply and gigabyte overclocking mother board dont even think about it
to be fair you only ever put it at 90% for crysis, i hope
>Games run slightly better in 8.1 vs 7.
I can't say i have, even though i did have a 8800gt once for quite a while. I can't even remember how it sounded, is it possible to hear how it sounded?
It depends on what you want to do with them. There are applications that if you compare nvidia with AMD in apples to apples Nvidia gets crushed. AMD's focus is a litlte scattered and awkward because it somewhat neglected the gaming segment. The hardware itself is great though, just not focused the way some consumers like and their driver support is sometimes eh.
No. Intel bought Nvidia a bit before that clip was made. Nvidia and Intel are the same thing now, so you get both fire starting and stuttering side effects.
To be series, Intel CPU's > AMD CPU's
For GPU, Nvidia and AMD usually swap places, depending on whom has the newest models.
I have a fractal r4 case so I don't exactly know on average how loud it gets under load due to the sound dampening. I did leave the case open for a bit when initially testing some games and it was pretty quiet. I recommend you get it unless some other anon knows something important I don't.