>FGC consider this the best fighting game
>/v/ puts it as god tier
>Nobody plays this game
It's a good game, but it fails to be interesting to watchers.
Learning curve is hell, boring to learn alone
Nobody plays it.
Alternatives are flashier, and overall more interesting.
Is it the best fighting game out there? of course, is worth it? i'd say no.
>tfw planning to play online everyday
>tfw find out my internet has too much jitter
Everyone I know sticks with SF4 instead after trying to learn VF as well, was I too rough with them in KOF and VF?
It doesn't have a lot of explosive presentation but fuck that, it plays like butter.
I like it, I just stopped playing due to low interest. It's definitely one of the better 3D fighting games I've touched on.
Some guy at CEO likes to bring the game so I hope to meet up with him this year again and get a couple of sessions in.
VF is like the SMT of fighting games. Great games nobody gives two shits about other than a minority of loyal fans.
VF needs a spinoff ala Persona3/4, something like VF but all women and with boob physics, and tons of revealing outfits and flashy easy as fuck grameplay... yeah that would do.
>FGC considers this the best fighting game
They really don't. One of the best yes and its highly respected but the FGC is quicker to say ST , Guilty Gear or Tekken are the best
>/v/ puts it as god tier
Hipster cred pretty much none of them play fighting games so putting one accepted as challenging as god tier will make people around here look better despite still being people who claim about shit like Ryu fireballs.
>99% muscle memory
Okay kid i'm sure short hop pressure , footsies , spacing , anti airing like a boss and knowing when to escape pressure are all muscle memory despite things requiring reactions. Yep its 99% muscle memory from hd combos alone.
literal muscle memory on the defense point of view, jab antiair.
Roll? one of the most retarded mechanics on a DF? roll punishing gets predictable though, but kills the meta on a certain degree, specially on corner game.
It depends on the kof, but 98 and 2002 are muscle memory heavy, and KOF is a rushdown instead of footsies fighting game.
FGC do agree that VF is a very good and balanced game. Go read up on it at Dust Loop, SRK, and other fighting game forums.
The game just is not flashy, ground in more physics. You how Gundam is called Real Robot mecha, well think of VF like that. Marvel is Super Robot.
I thought VF4 + revisions was held in higher regard? I'm always reading how VF5 simplified itself a bit
Anyways, the last 3D fighter I played was Tekken 3 on PS1. I might get the new DOA on Steam when it's cheap
That's because /v/ and most of the fgc parrot things that make em sound hardcore. 98% never touched a VF. Btw it's not a bad game, just massively overrated and with uselessly high exec requirements.
>Defense point of view
Jabbing it is still reacting and its still not muscle memory on the offenses point of view outside of few characters with optimal pressure and even then you wanna mixup it up
>KOF no footsies
Neutral itself is footsies even if its not poke based movement and spacing well looking for a opponent is the footsies of KOF
>Roll killing spacing
Its very baitable and yeah it forces you to go in harder because trying to space out someone alone is shit but it is what it is
I feel like people confuse footsies with pokes based footsies. Sometimes movement and spacing yourself constantly like in Marvel 2 and KOF is a form of footsies. Other games like SF and GG use pokes with alot of characters. Its all neutral in the end.
No and no, you are projecting and you should feel ashamed.
I really like VF, but nobody plays it, so I don't put a whole lot of time into it. Same with Xrd, I would put more time into it, but my local meet up group focuses on USF4 and Smash variants.
Wasn't confusing footsies anon, it's just KOF footsie game is very weak and lacking because the lack of normals and command normals in general.
And reacting is still muscle memory, just saying.
If reacting is muscle memory you might as well say anything is muscle memory in a fighter you stupid fuck. Each time you react its in a separate situation to a different thing that requires a appropriate counter measure literally the most you can get from muscle memory.
I love how VF never nerfed itself just to stay popular, it's like saying "a dead franchise is better than a shit one" I like that mentality.
I'll never stop playing VF even if I'm shit at it.
how are VF characters not charismatic?
>I love how VF never nerfed itself
Final showdown is a tekkenized version of virtua fighter.
You might not consider this as a nerfing, but it is what they did to raise popularity.
Not him, but the guys is right.
Half of those who talk about it, never actually touched a virtua fighte before.
I can't count the number of times I read stuff like VF IS SO DEEP AND TECHNICAL" as if
technical actually means anything.
It has more than 5 hard moves, Akira's GboD being the hardest of all, but even this is easily done with practice,the hard moves are only held by top tier characters.
Not everything is bad about final showdown, it is an upgrade, but they let down many things that made "virtua fighter".
Because I know the guy and I know he always do the third kick.
Obviously he knew I was expecting it, so instead he went for the throw.
It's important to read your opponent.
I don't see how as Pai it should be easier to avoid it.
The ONLY thing good about it is the mechanics. It fails in almost every other way, from character design to general art direction.
The shit is just boring to look at, albeit fun and rewarding as shit to play.
Take Sarah for example, and look at how she just gets kinda drowned out by the DoA5 crew and they aren't exactly pinnacles of design, either.
That said, I still love Sarah.
ok GboD is a hard move
but akira has a faster more practical guardbreak and that move is just forward + PKG
anyone can do forward + PKG, back/forward + punch, and then a basic combo
unless you're playing it at high level, VF5FS is basically lots of low execution guesses. they took out the only hard thing you HAD to know.
VF is a good game but i hate the whole SO DEEP AND TECHNICAL routine so much
>FGC consider this the best fighting game
but that is just not true anon
Yeah, she's the only reason I bought DoA5. She made the game fun for me, funnily enough.
These are probably the most accurate words ever said on /v/.
Truthfully, 90% of the FGC are incompetent retards. Very few people have legitimate, fundamental understanding of the games they play.
yeah, I'll stick on /v/ spreading the FGC love though, I'm always there to recommend on new players.
Also, some fanbase are too self centered, take MK for example, those guys are bro tier, but trash talk other games just for the sake of it.
>from character design to general art direction.
That's only your opinon, it's a matter of taste.
> the DoA5 crew and they aren't exactly pinnacles of design, either.
Are you talking about art direction of graphics?
DOA5 is a relatively new game whilst VF is outdated, of course they will do a better job.
that SO DEEP AND TECHINCAL thing is just a bunch of nonsense parroted from gaming journalists, VF5 is a somewhat easy game to play compared to Tekken.
6PKG and 2PKG aren't hard, that's right, but GboD isn't just a simple guard breaker, it rewards you with damage and you can have consequent frame advantage if you fail at 3rd input.
She looks so much more adorable in VF. Why did they fucked up her face so much in DOA?
I play a lot of games, but I make sure to learn before I follow a game on the spectator perspective, i'm retired, 20 years of competitive play.
lmao, ppl make it sound like a war veteran when they say "im retired"
I disagree. The characters are less cartoony. I think Pai, Lau, Sarah, Eileen, Aoi, Taka, Vanessa and Goh are cool characters.
The problem is the lack of meat in the game's presentation, which sadly is likely to get worse with the cheapskate ways of Sammy.
on the opposite way, they made Pai Chan the most cutest thing alive
Doesn't really matter. I mean, I'm competitive with top players online and have a lot of sessions but I haven't even been to an offline even in about 3 years so I don't have any results to back it up.
Hit me up next year when I'm out of school and have time again.
> There will never be a VF6
> Even if there is, beta testing, Japan release etc have to happen long before we can even hope for a conslle release.
Yeah, being a devout Sarahfag I wasn't very happy with her DoA5 design. I don't think it's blatantly bad, but her VF5 incarnation is easily superior.
She's still perfect in DoA5 though. That's just how perfect she is.
The series always seemed to have a priority focus on arcades. We never got console releases of VF4FT or VF5R, did we?
part of the reason is that the US will never ever catch us to Japan with this game. You know how we occasionally got people like PR Rog and Justin going against Japanese players?
That shit never happens with VF. VF is actually popular in Japanese arcades (SF is too but not as much.) Theres just a gap we can't close right now.
>no physical release
>buying digital shit
Neogamer millenial toddler Generation Z Cancer.
I have a policy that I only buy games in physical form I will be able to play in 10-15 years if I fucking feel like it. Not some digital download shit that most likely won't be available anymore because the company went bust (very likely in Sega's case) or they switched off the servers or my account was terminated or compromised.
Here we go, doafags shitting up the only vf thread we have in month.
Nobody cares about your lewd tendencies around vf girls in DOA
you don't even play them, and even if you do it doesn't mean you know how they play in virtua fighter, which means you don't know them.
Dude you never played any VF, otherwise you would have seen that haircut before.
Same here, why would you want a VF6 if you don't know how vf works at all?
Play the game that's out before crying for another one.
I can't wait for VF6 to be out so that I can finally kick people like you.
>Dude you never played any VF, otherwise you would have seen that haircut before.
I played all the VF except the 5 and related versions.
And i never see that haircut before. When i said my "youth" i mean the 90's.
Console gamers in nutshell
>"We want more realistic games"
>publisher make more realistic games
>"I-It's not fun at all, make it more unrealistic"
Yeah i know, it's shitposting, but you know, for most gamers is true
>We tried a general in /vg/ once.
>it worked out for one day,
more than expected
Do you guys feel like sharing your psn name and play it any time?
VF is stronger in arcades, it was always like this.
the community is fearing VF6 will be an arcade only game now.
Sure, my psn is fukou_da.
I gotta let it download again, but I'm down to play.
I think the same as you, but her appearance in DOA sticks much more to her type.
My psn is crescent-waffles.
I'll add you tomorrow so that we can play, try to get some practice if you want
Anyone else wanna join a game later ?
So far I know only one VF player in /v/...
S Taka, Lion, Brad
A Jacky, Jean, Vanessa
B Goh, Shun, Wolf
LARGE GAP Separates Viable and Non-Viable Characters
C Sarah, Kage, Lau
D El Blaze, Jeffry
E Aoi, Pai, Lei-Fei, Eileen
What's your PSN? I must have seen you online lately since you play the game.
Maybe we can spar.
That tier list is bullshit man, get over it, probably made by some jerk at eventhubs, and if you wanna prove me that Pai and Aoi are low tier characters, just drop your PSN.
To be fair, by most fighting game standards that is a LOT of "viable" characters.
I doubt a game will ever compare to something like Soul Calibur 5 where there is only one or two characters generally considered to be unviable by most people, but even then an argument can still be made for them to some degree.
Even still, half the cast being considered "viable" is still very balanced by most fighting game standards. At least it isn't Fox vs Fox, no items, Final Destination.
the honest answer is that i'm too casual for this game, and i expect a lot of people on here are too.
it's easy to pick up and learn the moves, but therd is something i just don't have for high-level play.
vanessa is my waifu.
You don't seriously play fighting games on a PS3 do you anon?
It's the Transformers Syndrome.
Everyone will say that they like the artsy, slow films with methodical pacing and 3rd dimensional characters.
But what does everyone end up seeing on the weekend with friends? What do people leave on the television when it comes on? Comic Book Movie #27. Book adaptation with RomCom elements aimed at women #35.
No John, you are the Call of Duty.
You have your hardcore players, your casual players, and the players who just pick up whatever is new. Casual players never touched Quake or RTSs because they were too difficult, and the ones who pick up whatever is new just leave for the newest thing. This gives only a small audience who are dedicated to the game.
>Professional VF players make a tier list
>Random nobody on 4chan thinks he knows better
>I-i-i-i-ts j-just from e-eventhubs
>Link clearly to SRK
>A few seconds in google shows its from Arcadia by top VF players
What do you mean by too casual?
VF is a game you can enjoy even if you're not a fighting game amateur.
And I can understand why you like Vanessa.
That's right, dodge it.
I don't play the game anyway right ?
I play them wherever I want to anon.
>Crying about tiers
>Thinks he's not a casual
>mfw fuckin' niggas up with Sean in 3s
Tiers? More like tears. Salty mother fuckers.
>Tiers don't mean shit though
>Believes tier lists
Just like I said above, I've already talked about this tier list before, so I'll show you this pic here.
you're bringing up this as if you knew what you're talking about, and you say it's made by Top VF players.
So you want us to believe in a tier list made by highly skilled players who play only highly skilled players?
You think it matters to the regular VF player?
Let's see how many top tier characters made it to finals...
Glad there is some competent FG players here
They mean a hell of a lot less in a game like VF than, say, a game like SF4.
3D games in general (except maybe Tekken, but I don't really consider Tekken a 3D game. More like 2.5d) are much more about the player than the character. VF is no exception. A "lower tier" can always out play a higher tier much more consistently than in a 2d game like Marvel where you just get steamrolled by a better character or shitty match up.
Therefore playing a character that suits you is generally much more important than their tier.
>except maybe Tekken, but I don't really consider Tekken a 3D game.
Please post the names of some REAL 3D fighting games.
They mean the same exact thing
reference, matchup charts are usually more reliable than tiers
some matchups are pretty obvious, some are not, tiers are reference and nothing more
I don't know about other fighters, but it's the case with VF, if you know how to play your character and more importantly matchups, you can overcome any other character.
>Therefore playing a character that suits you is generally much more important than their tier.
I was waiting on other anons to post their name but it's not going to happen...
Sadly we won't form a vf community on /v/ just yet.
I gotta leave but still if anyone wants to play just add me >>283417323
Will PR Balrog win anything before he retires this year?
People in the FGC only play what's new. It doesn't matter what kind of history there is behind a game or how good people claim it is.
etc. etc. this list goes on forever. Games that are godlike, amazing, "balanced!!!!" but nobody will actually fucking play them.
The only community that said no fuck this to their new games is Smash and built a scene around Melee again. While some people will look at this as a bad thing because MUH SPONSORS ESPORTS $$$$$$$$ i think it's fucking great. If you think a game is ass don't fucking play it. This is the single worst thing about the current FGC. People sitting up saying MvC3 is complete trash but constantly play it, talk about how much they hate Blazblue/Persona and play them, talk up how much they love the old games!!! fuck off.
EVO 2014 USF4 entrants = 1,979
EVO 2014 VF5 entrants = 0
yes the amount of entrants matter the most in how competitive a game is not like 1900 of those people are potmonsters while exactly 20 of them even have the chance to win the tournament.
probably. he's easily the most consistent US player at international level, and last year he just fucked off after he won something early in the year. If he actually tries, I'm sure he can win any US major.
But can he beat these TITANS of the American USF4 scene?
People try to "objectively" measure games when they want to call one of them the best, and ignore how much they actually like the games. This is stupid.
VF5 is not nearly the best fighting game, nor is it the most complex. For instance, just about every decent 2D fighter is better than VF5 and every other 3D fighter. Most of them are more complex too, sometimes vastly so. Anime games, KOF, Marvel, and so on are all much better than any Virtua Fighter game.
isn't Dudley a good matchup for Balrog?
Anyway, I'm not saying he's odds-on favorite, I'm just saying that in any US tournament he enters, he's instantly a contender for top 3.
Makoto has always been considered at least A tier. Most 3S pros will tell you the tier list goes Chun, Yun, Mak (...), some might even put Makoto at #2 or #1
As for beating Chun consistently, it has always happened. Kens, Dudleys, Makotos, Yuns...Have and do beat high-level Chuns consistently. What has changed as of late is that a lot of the current best 3S players are all Makoto mains, so you're seeing a lot of her
because the myth about stick being objectively better than pad is just that - a myth. It's all personal preference, and more and more people are joining the scene who started playing on console, never had that arcade experience.
Stick vs. Pad has nothing to do with that guy's post.
Drumming 4 punch inputs on a stick is objectively easier than whatever fucking black magic KnuckleDu uses to get hands to come out on that PS2 controller.
>because the myth about stick being objectively better than pad is just that - a myth. It's all personal preference
For the most part id totally agree with you, pad however blows chunks for pianoing hands
Simple, because I like them more. How much you like a game is the only way to measure it, and the best game is the one you like the most. 3D fighters in general are much more clumsy and boring than 2D fighters. Block button, awkward and clumsy movement, stupidly large command list, etc.
Not even nasty O/S, she has nasty mixups. If you have SA2 and the execution to pull it off, you can do 80% damage from a single Karakusa. In characters that get stunned from the combo you can get a 100% if you have another SA2 meter to finish them off
Look at Yang's lifebar. That's how much damage Makoto can get from a 50/50 guess
It's a nice opinion anon, nothing wrong with loving games, but you gotta take in account things like learning curve, skill ceiling, balance and stuffs
can we post fighting game gifs? specifically 3s ones, I had a bunch a while ago but misplaced them somehow.
webms would be preferable, but.
>Look at Yang's lifebar. That's how much damage Makoto can get from a 50/50 guess
To be fair the twins have shit for HP. On Ken and Chun you get like ~66%. Still amazing considering the risk/reward and how tough it is to punish a whiffed karakusa
all i have is this
and some funny melee garbage
that already exists. it`s called DOA 5 Ultimate/Last Round.
Akira, Pai, Jackie and Sarah are in it, look hot and better than ever, VF players like how they feel in it, DOA players like it, it`s the most popular those character have ever been, in a series that was created around VF engine and mechanics.
>the probability of doing those in the heat of battle is so low.
Trust me, with practice you can do these and more. These people have been playing the game since 1999. They can see the fucking Matrix
you`re too dumb to realize the multiple types of jumps are part of KOF footsies. play something mjore than same-old limited mainstream crap and you`ll realize there`s a world of concepts your shitty games never even touched, child.
If you're still around Crescent I'm logged in on PSN and would be interested in some VF
I loved the VF series and a few other fighter series but for about a decade I've had no friends who actually like vidya and I don't like playing online so I've dropped the entire genre ;_;
But SMT is good because it's the standard JRPG formula but they took all the shitty tropes of regular RPGs and made them different or removed them altogether.
VF is like a reverse SMT, it takes everything about fighting games and just makes it barebones.