Okay, that's cool. Take Persona 3. It would very much be better with gender mechanics. Every female character will have designated monthly ycles. Take Mitsuru for example. Every month at 5 days she will be in constant tired mood and if taken as teammate will frequently disobey orders. On the others, she will be in 'great' mood, however, increased flirtyness makes her spam Marin Karin in attempt to charm enemies. I believe it would add very much to realism of women in gaming and make game much more inclusive.
>>283815528 That video isn't about mechanics based on gender, it's about how the industry tends to associate specific genres and their underlying mechanics with themes that are often paired up with them and the gender roles that are tied to said themes (ie a lot of FPS involve some sort of soldier/military set up which is more of a concept associated with males) when the case isn't necessarily true since using different themes with the same mechanics can result in something attractive to the other gender (ie Portal is an FPS with a bigger female audience than most other FPS because it's not about heavily male appealing concept like military).
I watched the video. Summing up: - different sexes don't favor different mechanics, it's a social construct - different sexes favor different aesthetics/themes, but just because of social constructs - you can use any mechanics for any sex as long as you theme it properly - case in point: portal is a fps girls can enjoy
>>283817208 Not that guy, but I don't really know how or where to speak up about it. I post on here about how I think this kind of shit is dumb, but I wouldn't know what else to do. It's not like game journos give a shit what actual female gamers think.
>>283815245 >gendered mechanics That's a really bad misnomer. I think they did that for click baiting. Essentially what they're saying is people should stop thinking that game genres pander only to a specific gender, like saying FPS games are only for men. In reality, the problem isn't gender bias, its stagnant mechanics overall and a reluctance towards any experimentation. It isn't that experimentation doesn't exist, they just needed something to complain about while bringing up gender.
>>283816905 >associate specific genres and their underlying mechanics with themes that are often paired up with them and the gender roles that are tied to said themes (ie a lot of FPS involve some sort of soldier/military set up which is more of a concept associated with males) It's a mixed bag. Most games right now are innovationless rehashes that have realism and graphics as the main point. When you pine for realism, you just don't do things that aren't happening in reality. And so you end up with 'not-really-cliches' like male-filled armies, because in reality that's what is happening. Blame industry, but lack of other representations isn't indicative of any sort of -isms other than realism. Blame western industry that thrives on rereleasing same FPSes. Also, Portal was popular anyway, not only for females, because of innovative gameplay they took from Narbacular Drop. >>283817179 it's a better option than responding to you, so you just get a side-comment
>>283815245 this video disproves itself. saying mainly boys play fps until its a completely different "FPS" like portal that is played by a lot of girls, is saying that there is in fact a positive relation between typical fps elements and a male audience. If an fps has to give up said elements in order to be played by the other gender to a large extent, it only proves what he's debating against.
It is very naive to think you can successfully market any game to both genders. Many game devs have tried, few have succeeded.
This is the problem with the notion that "SOCIETY IS TELLING YOU HOW TO THINK AND FEEL!" It's not society, it's biology. Men and women just like different things. Sometimes you can appeal to both, most of the time you can't. And trying to is just going to make a product people already like not like it as much.
>>283815245 is he realizing that the games he uses as counter examples are very untypical for their genre and that actually proves that certain genres are mainly for certain genders, unless they do a lot of things different?
I never liked these faggot videos in the first place because this kid talks like a fag and his shits all retarded. But i swear to god the shit he's been putting out lately makes me think he found a militant sjw to take all 2 inches of him.
>>283817645 I think it's about individuality. Or at least started from being about individuality.
It's like "school imposes certain schemes of thinking that will strip you down of being yourself".
In case of gender it's more like "certain stereotypes associated with this gender will make you lose your individuality and being more of a *male* or *female* instead of being *yourself*".
Obviously then it goes pants on retarded because what it proposes is extreme alienation of individuals so they can be *themselves*.
It's funny thing if you think about it - /pol/ calls them marxist but their line of thought leads to conclusions that are the exact opposite of Marx statements. And they all claim to be lefty on top of that.
>>283819636 and the game wouldnt be ANY different if you just could make portals appear, it's more of a design choice. taking out enemies is maybe 1% of the game. neither steam nor wikipedia list it as an FPS
Portal isn't a shooter though, so the FPS arguement doesn't really hold. Splatoon seems a much better example to test this idea against. Might be worth watching to seem m:f ratio when it comes out, though as I understand it wiiu is heavily male this gen, so the ratio would have to be normalized against the the user base ratio, and I don't think we know that.
>>283815245 It's entertainment. Different genres are ment to appeal to different people. This is like saying everybook should be 50 shades of twilight and every movie should be an action romantic comedy.
People like different things. Boys like Call of Duty, Girls like Candy Crush. Making things to try and please everyone, in general, will please no one at all.
It's this weird over arching theme you find in America that basically demonizes any sort of societal influence or adhering to the standards of a community. It's really, really strange and completely bipartisan.
I don't get it. So what this video is saying is that the aesthetics of the game is more gender specific than the genre? That's not really a secret. Yes shooters are primarily military themed and thus male oriented because the idea of shooting is for the most part thought of in a military way. That's not wrong either, guns are made for killing. Portal and Splatoon may twist the idea of that, but no one expects them to become the dominant style of doing that type of game, they're just fun ideas to mix it up. I just don't really get the message here and what he wants done about it. There will always be games that switch up how a game plays, but it's nothing at all malicious that shooters usually are themed for males.
>>283821976 These people have never taken a biology class, so its doubtful that they know what sexual metamorphism is. Because of that, they say that the concept of masculinity and femininity are false because males and female are literally the same in every respect.
>>283822543 No, no, friend. Males and females are different in their reproductive organs and only their reproductive organs, and if you attempt to verify this assertion then, then you are looking suspiciously hard for differences, and you're probably a Nazi.
What the fuck is a gendered mechanic? Someone tell me because I'm not watching that shit and I can't think of a single game I've played where male and female characters were different because of their gender
>>283816545 I honestly don't even know what they're doing anymore they contacted the FTC who put them on the backburner because they're too busy dealing with thousands of retards who fell for 419 and other spam scams for the millionth time They contacted advertises who only gave some fucks and pulled a few ads They've exhausted all options all they can do is wait and bitch on twitter about something that no one cares about
>>283820392 Everything except for mobile is heavily male. And even mobile's number's are skewed to hell since anyone who's ayes solitaire counts in the numbers. I think one of the best examples was the gender split for male and female shepherd, something like 80% to 20% respectively.
>>283823446 >they're talking about game audiences and how certain genre's are seen as being for a certain gender, like FPS for boys, and bullshit puzzlers for girls. Maybe because they are. My sister destroys me at puzzle games but I wreck her at action games. Women and men are more suited for different things.
>>283823095 >Girls like puzzle games >Boys like shooters >but it's sexist to make shooters appeal to boys and puzzle games appeal to girls >we need to be more progressive!
>lets make puzzle games about zombies and shooters about candy because I say so! You're holding the industry back guys! He also says that Portal is a shooter with girlish themes and therefore it proves his point of genders only having preferences on themes and not on mechanics, even though Portal is a fucking puzzle game and he disproved his own point. He's a fucking hack and I think at this point he knows it. Thats why he spams his videos on /v/, he knows what he's doing.
>Watching https://vimeo.com/19707588 >Two Norwegian researchers say that the differences between men and women (mentally) is completely culture based >Host goes to America, England, Scotland, and Denmark and gets studies based upon years of research from children who are up to 1 DAY old >Shows that those who receive more testosterone (which 99% of the time are Males, but if a female has a birth defect where she receives too much testosterone, its the same) make less eye contact, care more about looking/touching mechanical objects, have more trouble developing speech and relating to others >Host brings this data back to the Norwegian researchers >The chick says she still believes its entirely cultural >Host asks what her scientific basis is >She says nothing for like 10-15 seconds >"...I have a theoretical basis"
>>283823446 >they're talking about game audiences and how certain genre's are seen as being for a certain gender, like FPS for boys, and bullshit puzzlers for girls. So are they arguing for against this idea because if its against then they are arguing against a fucking fact
>>283824381 My girlfriend plays tons of video games, from nearly every genre.
She used to like playing outside with her friends, but when she was 7 she was in a terrible car accident, both broke her legs and couldn't walk for over a year (if you include the physical therapy and shit).
During that time her two brothers introduced her to vidya, and she's been playing that for like 15 years now.
I think Women can be as good as Men, but most women aren't interested in vidya until they're older, which makes them worse.
I'm sure if you take a chick who has been playing games for 10+ years and put them up against Chad McDudebro who is more interested in partying, she'll win every time.
>>283824495 Brainwashed is an excellent documentary don't worry anon that doumentary saved Norway from becoming Sweden 2.0 and they shut down the Nordic gender institute probably because of the documentary
>>283824950 Exactly. Most women are casual vidya players at best because video games usually appeal to men.
Most of them are competitive. You vs a friend, You vs the computer, You vs the high score. Men are more competitive (an evolutionary fact) which leads them to being interested in them.
I think its less natural ability (though men do have faster reaction times) and more so women usually playing video games because in some places its very socially acceptable, and women naturally want to fit in (again, an evolutionary fact).
>>283824776 What the fuck does competitive gaming have to do with anything? I've been playing games since the 80s, and I'm not good at competitive games, because I don't like the mindless, repetitive grind of multiplayer games.
>>283824776 >I think Women can be as good as Men They cant. I hate to bring up ASSFAGGOTS but this is the most relevant example I can think of. There are around 400-500 pro LoL players in the world. 0 are female. Even if you expand to amateurs looking to go pro which would be more like 10000 there are none. Only if you expand into the top 100k or so players do you find 1-2 women. I'm fairly certain this is the same across Dota 2, CSGO and other such games as well.
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