Which is the best out of these games?
there is an objectively correct answer to this question.
Persona 3 FES obviously. It has the best social links, the best story, best pacing, it doesn't waste your fucking afternoon with 30 minutes cutscenes at every turn, and isn't casual garbage crap.
>It has the best social links, the best story, best pacing, it doesn't waste your fucking afternoon with 30 minutes cutscenes at every turn, and isn't casual garbage crap.
It goes like this faggots
>Theme(how well the story match it's theme)
>Social stats system
PQ is shit so it doesn't enter in the equation
>Theme(how well the story match it's theme)
No, and I will argue against this shit until the day I die.
Persona 4's social links writer is a fucking hack. First of all, they're all really generic and boring, there's nothing crazy and out there like the MMO link in 3, aside from Fox but that's not a real link.
Second of all, they are all overly dramatic bitching. There's no balance whatsoever. Yeah, I get that you need SOME drama but for fuck's sake I don't WANT to hang out with these fucking nobodies if all they do is bitch at me.
Lastly, the way the social links don't affect the story is really felt in 4. Characters act completely different in dialogue scenes despite having supposedly matured or gotten over their problems in the link.
It's not as apparent in 3 because of the timing restriction for links, as in, by the time you can start most of them the characters have gone through their story arc.
Plus, there's way less party member links so there's that.
At the end of the day, I had much more fun alternating e-sexing my teacher in an mmo, hanging with a drunk old monk, hanging out with a dying book writer, an old couple, a classmate who wants to fuck the teacher, a cult member, etc than I ever had hanging out with a bunch of high school crybabies and a few bitchy adults.
P3 fanboys really are the most insecure retards on /v/. So in denial and afraid of 4 being better and more popular they write dribble like this.
Meanwhile in reality in P3 the social links were all shallow trash that had NOTHING to do with the theme or plot of the game. Go on and tell us what OUIABOO, some fag sport kid confidence issue, can't talk to boys, mommy and daddy are fighting, i'm a fat shit,etc have to do with the theme of the game? While P4's did, even the shitty ones nobody likes such as the tutor job.
>Ken is the only shit character
>Ken, the character with the most distinct motivations, desires and intentions is a shit character
I keep forgetting that /v/irgins are retards with no writing prowess. Shit character = character I can't rub one out to/wouldn't want to waifu
P3 fans are funny. Mitsuru is worse than a fanfic character.
You mean the wish fullfilment robot that loves you unconditionally? Come on man are you trolling?
>it's better because i said so!
P3fes character have more development,characterizaton,depth and realistic behavior than all P4 cast.
But i guess you liked the dickriding brigade right?
Stop posting, my sides are hurting.
You have to be joking to claim a little kid would plan a murder is realistic behaviour and not childish shonen manga crap
>P3fes character have more development,characterizaton,depth and realistic behavior than all P4 cast.
Your entire logic operates on this idea that the social links MUST fit the supposed theme of the game.
Why? If anything they should be a break from it. I have to sit through 70 hours of that shit in the main story anyway, the way I see it the social links should be a break from norm and offer more variety.
>listing dojima as a positive example for character development
he remains the fucking same the entire fucking game. it's comical really, despite maxing his link and becoming best bros with him, he STILL treats you like a fucking criminal in story scenes. fuck him.
I can explain why though.
P4 Character development begin and ends when the cast face it's own shadow.After that the character will remain the same for the entire game.
Junpei development goes on for the entire game,he's problems with the MC,insecurity issues and feelings for chidori are things that keep developing/happening and changing for the entire story.
He's resolve is only settled in the last month of the game and the same is true for a lot of P3 characters.
P4 is just:''I'm not like this,no you're not me!
i'm gonna give inorganic character exposition right now,to not have to bother working on characterization later!''
''Oh right,you're me and i'm you.i accept you!''
right there,the character will remain the same and nearly irrelevant to the plot,with the exception of Yosuke.
Also,P3 cast has it's own desires,personalitys and feelings that are relevant through the entire story.P4 cast just became BBF in one day and that is.
What's the relevance of Kanji,chie,yukiko or rise in the entire story?What they add to the plot?Literally nothing
>ignorant father obsessed with his wife's death and makes his daughter lonely to man who lets go of the past and vows to make it up to his kid
Still think Dojima would have made a great party member.
P4G minus Marie.
Persona 4 does everything better than 3 except for the theme and plot.
Characters, S.Links, gameplay, and setting are so much better.
You mean in his social link.
Which doesn't matter in the long run because social links are completely obsolete from the main story's POV.
Mitsuru undergoes character development from a distant, sheltered bitch to being a mother figure for the group.
It's not huge, in fact it's the 2nd smallest development in the main cast if you ask me, but it sure as hell beats "I don't trust you faggot also I work a lot" developing to "I still don't trust you but I'm too incapable to do anything so just do your shit".
>Meanwhile in reality in P3 the social links were all shallow trash that had NOTHING to do with the theme or plot of the game.
Are you really saying P3 was too deep for you
Its one thing if you didn't like the links but it seems like the entire point just flew over your head
Now talking about the depth:
The p4 characters are just quirks.
Really,what you can tell about Yukiko besides her quick laugh?Or about chie besides her being a tomboy that likes meat?Or Kanji that just say ''LET'S FUCKING DO THIS GUYS'' in every dialogue line?Or teddie that is just comic relief?
The Persona Spin-offs pretty much prove that,what characters suffer more flanderization 4 or 3?
Do you think that is just coincidence?
The only character that fit in that category in P3 is akihiko,which is why he's the most flanderizeder P3 character
>what you can tell about Yukiko besides her quick laugh?
She's bad under pressure, not as intelligent as her reputation/persona makes people/you think she is, terrible cook, supportive, responsible,etc
This isn't hard. And it doesn't make her or any of the shitty P3 characters deep. They are all anime shit, actually worse, anime is better written than Persona.
Why do people shit on P4's cast so much?
I felt like the cast in P3 was too hard to relate. Every character had some special back story with problems most normal people never face.
In P4 the characters are average kids who face problems any normal teen might face. Kanji who wants to be accepted for who he is, for example.
You're forcing and you know it.
Try to remember memorable yukiko moments compared to any persona 3 character.
Is there any P4 scene or yukiko is contrarian to the opinion of the group?Is there any part where she stands on her on?Where she try to persue something that she believes?Anything?
After her arc she's completly forgotten and became irrelevant to the story or the dialogues?
>You mean the wish fullfilment robot that loves you unconditionally?
is that your argument in favor of P4? Because literally every single character in P4 treats the MC as their personal Jesus and they only ever develop through the main character. They all love him unconditionally too
Wait a minute. Are P3fags not counting S.Links as character development?
Considering that all of the character development that occurs in the Investigation Team's social links doesn't actually come up at all during the game's main story and is entirely optional, yeah they don't really count.
You are forcing your shit argument and ignorance here. I just listed simple aspects of her character, which is what you asked for. Now you are moving the goalposts like the bitch you are.
>Is there any P4 scene or yukiko is contrarian to the opinion of the group?Is there any part where she stands on her on?
P4 is about people coming together and being alone isn't a good thing. Hence group of kids vs lonely manchild. There was no reason for her to be contrarian, that would add nothing to the plot.
>Where she try to persue something that she believes?Anything?
All in her social link.
>After her arc she's completly forgotten and became irrelevant to the story or the dialogues?
Every character has plenty of dialogue. Again, you are being a little ignorant dickhead.
I'm sorry that you think characters worse than harem anime are good.
I love 4 and Golden was a fantastic improvement, but I still like 3 more.
5 seems like it's taking a different direction thematically from both of them, I get a mixed vibe like it's going to have the fun of 4 with the depth of 3.
Be unlikable don't mean shit because it's completly personal.
I can think that Yukari is the most likeable human being in the earth and Mitsuru is least one.
By your logic i can also say that Walter Walt is a shit character.
A character written is measure by development,deapth,realistic behavior,characterization and relevance to the plot.
Teddie has development i give you that,the problem is that the game use's him just as comic relief and that makes him shallow
By your logic i can say that literally ANY character is good.
P4 cast has no development past their arcs outside of SL's,they are reduced to literal tropes and all characters are just there to give you power fantasy feel's.
Can we all agree that both games have some good characters and some really bad ones?
I had high hopes for this series.
I have only played Nocturne before this and I had a fucking blast, but Persona 3 gameplay wise is so inferior it's not even funny.
I'm playing it for the characters and story now, and while they are decent if a bit too weabo for me, the gameplay so far is a drag
I'm playing the series because of the Persona 5 that got me a little hyped.
I mean so far it doesn't sucks but it's not that good either, I keep playing in the hopes it does get good
I will cartainly, but I'm going to try at least every game on the series Persona and SMT.
I loved Nocturne
Nigga, why are you in a thread about a series you don't like. Go play video games.
>Play a better jrpg series idiot.
Than why were are so aggressive to him?
It seems like you're a lonely person,that or you just have anger issues,in any case you seem like a socially inept person.
Try working on your social skills more
I've spent well over 100 hours playing through those games. The gameplay is not as good. It's simply not. Liking clunky, unintuitive and poorly paced gameplay doesn't make you hardcore.
The only people in 4 i could sympathize with are kanji and chie.Everyone elses problems were blown so outta proportions/garbage the only thing i could think was Atlus putting them there as a joke and weaboos ate it up anyway.Teddie gets a pass since he started as a shadow.
>He's not my friend.
So you talk shit like that for people you don't know?Now you look even more socially inept to me...That's not a problem by itself though,you can work on that
>So you talk shit like that for people you don't know
Of course, that's what people outside of your basement do. They also don't get upset over the word idiot, unless they actually are one.
So what I've picked up from you.
You're an overly agressive asshole who has a superiority complex for playing a harder video game.
We might be a bunch of fags who play casual games, but at least we're not you. By the way, stop thinking you're hot shit. You play weeb games too.
I love how the guy I said idiot to is perfectly healthy and happily responded to me like a normal person, while a sad loser like you is pathetically projecting because I said a game you like sucks.
So if a guy is passing on the street and then ask you the hours,you'll say something along the lines of
>it's 15:20 you idiot,now fuck off
That's a normal behavior?Wow,where you live friend?Detroit?
smt isn't that hardcore, you just need to learn how it works, I like it because of the mature content/post-apocalyptic plot, plus some survival horror feelings with lots of gore and death. Collecting/fusing demons is really cool too.
Why are you so aggressive? This thread had nothing to do with SMT.
Why do you feel a need to brag about how you play a different game?
I love Morrowind, but I don't insult people who like Skyrim. This isn't about hurting feelings, it's about you shitposting in a thread that has nothing to do with SMT.
It's kinda sad that I have explain that this is >>283852953 is called sarcasm and irony. Again, you are the one who started with this pathetic "I know your lifestyle because you said something I don't like" nonsense.
You are kinda dumb
>Not first battle version of Reach Out To The Truth: http://youtu.be/CnORxdWTGiA
It's like you want me to think you're shitposting.
Anyway the FES version of Mass Destruction is the best song there is in P3: http://youtu.be/wqIJ3xiBvqY
The best song of the modern (only saying this because I haven't played the first two yet) series is easily Maze of Life though: http://youtu.be/jsZD5CC8wn4
No one picked a fight with you friend and the guy who responded you first was me,not him.
See,this is the type of mentality that i'm talking about,you think that everyone is ''fighting'' with you.
You feel the need to be rude to people without any reason.
That's why you seem like a really awkward/socially inept person,which is also why i assumed you have no friends
>calls the first guy who is asking a question an idiot
>proceeds to responds to other posts that weren't directed to you calling the Persona shit
>throws insults when people ask you why you're shitting up their thread
>I'm not agressive
>calls the first guy who is asking a question an idiot
Again, notice how the person in question is perfectly healthy and responded happily because he knows it was in jest and he's not a sad emotionally stunted autist like yourself
>I'm not aggressive.
That's correct, I'm not. You attacked me.
I liked the characters in P3 more, both the S Links and your team mates. The actual story wasn't all that amazing in either game, but it felt semi coherent in P4, as opposed to whatever the hell was going on in P3. Gameplay in P4 felt like an upgrade from P3, though I personally never had any issues with having to order team mates in P3FES. I also didn't really like any of the waifu choices in either game, other than I guess Yukari; not that I hate any of them.
Generally speaking, I'd go P4 > P3. And God I can't wait for P5, I've been participating in this P3 vs P4 argument since what, 2008? I don't care any more, what is there left to still be angry about?
So you don't said that because i play persona?
>You like a game about dating highschool girls and shooting yourself in the head. What's it like being a virgin who will kill himself after reaching wizard status?
It seem's you did exactly that anon.
You aren't became tired of being BTFO?
Look I'm going to put this in a way you might understand.
Someone wants to know about a sandwich, and you say it's bad and they're stupid. You then go around and start insulting people for eating said sandwich. The sandwich eaters just want to eat their sandwiches in peace, so they tell you to stop annoying them. You start insulting them even more, and then say you're the victim.
Friendly reminder that Yosuke it's the most popular character
Here's what actually happened. I was talking to someone who was not you. That person responded and it was the end of the conversation. You decided to start insulting me and made the last 30 minutes of it all about your sad projections all because of a post that had nothing to do with you.
And now you say you're the victim.
I really don't get how you could like one and hate the other, unless you really hate either happy or less happy games. The only Persona-related thing I'm mad about is that P5 will probably carry over dumb SMT4 changes like Phys skills using MP.
>i was just pretending to be retarded guise xD
No,you already proved yourself to be a socially inept paria who's also a insecure loser.
But you keep responding to me,you're providing a good laugh for all the anon's here so continue
>No,you already proved yourself to be a socially inept paria who's also a insecure loser.
By using sarcasm and irony? When someone calls you dumb, the typical response is to prove that claim incorrect, not substantiate it.
>go to the office today
>walk past Jamal's cubicle
>Jamal later reports me for racism
People don't understand sarcasm these days.
not him but people are saying this because of your first claim and your support to that claim after that.
Which is why I keep saying this game was made for otakus. The MC is there for players to project themselves onto which is why there's no bittersweet ending this time around like the other games had.
No party control for one
No defend option for critical or attacks you may be weak to
No quick travel
Better "All out attack" mechanic
Turns don't skip when you get back up after being knocked down, no reason for that to have existed in P3 and FES
P3P's mechanics and P3's exploration in towns would be the perfect game.
PQ is my favorite persona game...or better say, is the only one i played due to my hate for social links and high school simulation, even more starnge is the fact i hate EO and yet i like PQ.
>The person I called an idiot wasn't insulted at all.
Neither i am my friend,that's not change facts though.
If i come to a random person in the street and say
>Go fuck yourself faggot
That person can just walk away but that doesn't change the fact that i was a retarded in that moment
>responding to him
Just forget him. He's either a literal autistic person or he's baiting.
I'm not the guy you're arguing with, but if you honestly have a problem with someone being rude or condescending on 4chan, then you're an ignorant retard with no desire to learn or adapt to social norms, but instead prefer to complain about a sub-culture not being receptive to your ideas of what constitutes acceptable conversational tone.
If you're trolling, then 8/10 for keeping it up this long.
Lack of creativity. People pretending to be off-board retards is nothing new on /v/, and all your points come from stringing these people along for such a long time.
You need something more nuanced and subtle to get a 10/10.
Well stop. You're being as disruptive as him.
Just report and ignore. I wanted to have a Persona thread that didn't degrade into waifu wars.
I like EO and Persona and Persona Q.
I fucking wish P1 and P2 had a lower encounter rate, though.
>I wanted to have a Persona thread
Oh piss off, the last thing this board needs is another P3 vs P4 thread when both games are practically the same shit. Emphasis on the word shit.
You can do better than that, surely.