>Have your girlfriend actually act like it when in cutscenes together (holding hands, slight dialogue changes, standing closer to each other etc) >More animu cutscenes >Keep Social Links the same, but allow them to be built up faster with a phone system like Catherine >Make the protagonist actually talk this time >Do an anime adaption like with P3/4
>>283879951 >S-links acknowledged at different points in the game, if s-links exist at all This is a big one. >Playing Persona 4 Golden >Made Rise Yu's girlfriend >She tries to go under his umbrella >One of the options is seriously "won't people start talking if we did that?" >Other character still find her being affectionate to Yu weird or like they're not together
I think they only properly addressed it with the Summer Festival.
How would they work that shit out if I just want to be bros with someone? It would be extremely awkward to have a P4 style "rejection" scene for a guy who I never intended to romance in the first play.
>>283880385 Decent point actually. No problem with gays, but it'd also be really weird having every male friend having a gay option as well. If they had like one character be gay, I wouldn't care though.
>>283882196 In P3 and FES, the boss stats and patterns were built around MC doing 80% the work, the his team supporting him/being meatshields. This worked because you could only give them general orders of 'attack now, heal now, go all out, play it safe' in P3P, you have direct control of all your party members, which means you can just do the exact 'best' series of actions every turn (x attacks, y debuffs, z heals whoevers on lowest, Once More's up the arse' and the bosses just fall over without much of a fight
>>283878789 A more ambiguous morality choice at the peak of the plot. I always felt like 3 and 4 never gave the emotional high meant for the choices given. P3 >I'm the persona you saw at the beginning of the game even though you probably knew that >kill me and end the game >keep me alive as the obvious plot demans
P4 >Lets push this obvious victim into the tv because we are so sure he is the main villain of it all >Push him in and end the game >let him live and continue the obvious plot to the end
>>283884685 I can't stand Rie, though that probably has more to do with my extreme dislike of the type of character she usually does and less to do with her acting ability.
>>283884924 I always felt they were a bit on the mediocre side. The male characters usually sound fine with a couple of stand out performances, while a handful of female characters sound decent with the rest being eh to bad. This is a bit of a problem when your game is a waifu simulator.
>>283880587 With that I feel like, girlfriend or not Rise just likes teasing Yu via constant flirting. Chie points out her annoyance at this, but I don't know if that always happens or only if you're dating her.
At least it kinda makes sense if you're with Chie since she's shy about it, the game doesn't get that excuse if you're with someone like Rise who seems to be much more open about that.
>>283884924 I like the dub, but I kinda prefer Teddie's jap voice. Teddie's dub is fine when he's human, but he speaks slightly differently when in the suit and I find it unbearable.
Personally though, I can't stand Adachi's jap voice compared to the dub. It's like his original voice was too obviously villainous, the dub manages to strike that balance of being a pitiable loser and also an evil bastard.
>>283887286 Honestly I just guessed and said 10 hours. I always play a decent bit and enjoy them but then one day I look at my emulator and decide to not play. Then a few months later >man I really should've finished it
>>283887289 Due to crime shows, I get suspicious whenever an officer/detective character starts leaking information about a case way too often. That and he's the only other person aside from your friends that could approach Nanako since she doesn't talk to strangers, I believe the game brings up that point when it comes time to figure out the culprit.
>Get rid of light dark or at least make them less broken, sure you can say just get a persona to block/repel or have more dolls, but that just limits your options.
>Make social links continue after they are done, so its not just max them and never talk to them again. Make it count like they did with chrismas valentines day. Maybe your maxed social links come and help on your unmaxed social links, or get a call from them every now and again, and doesn't disturb your free time and such. also this>>283880185
>Make your entire party level up even if not in battle, other wise after you have an unbalanced party and might not be tempted to use them.
>Have certain characters perform differently at certain conditions Like the cat might tranform at low health, or another character gets stronger with ailments
Moar minigames, like with fishing make it a bit more complex though
>>283887289 http://youtu.be/kBFoInTUzp8#t=10h10m31s There were some pretty subtle things, but the fact that he's one of few characters with a portrait and isn't an S Link in vanilla should make it most obvious.
>>283887841 I guess that's a good point. It says a lot about Atlus that they could really throw everyone off suspecting Adachi though.
>>283888041 One of my favorite VAs. Pretty funny how in the anime, they had to make the pitch of his voice high because Yu and Adachi share the same VA.
>>283888115 Yeah, I'd like more to do with them too. It sucks that once you've leveled up there SL, that it's over and done with. I'd like to see more events in free time that are like the Valentine's Day, Christmas, New Years events, but longer.
I would love to see them include optional party members. Instead of the game just giving you all of your party members through the story alone why not have some be buried somewhere in the game for you to find. Maybe have a Social Link or two awaken to personas once you max them out or something and they decide to join you on your crime spree shenanigans.
>>283889171 No, I saw the dub, but it isn't so farfetched to say that Adachi is Yu's shadow because Adachi's persona is the reverse of Yu's. In P2, shadows had a similar deal. He isn't literally Yu's shadow of course.
>>283888115 >Make social links continue after they are done This. Even after maxing social links in P4, you can still meet with them at night to get unique dialogue depending on where you are in the story as well as a free item (depending on current rank/lovers or not). Additionally, you can still hang out with your girlfriend after maxing their S link though you only ever get the one scene of them revisiting your room.
My idea would be to expand on this simply by adding more smaller scenes when you hang out with them post-maxing, and give some incentive to do so like items/skills/relationship points with unmaxed S links.
>Make your entire party level up even if not in battle, Didn't P4 do something with scaling how much XP underleveled party members get?
>>283889668 That's the real explanation, but thematically, Yu and Adachi represent opposing ideals, so it makes sense that they have opposing personas. Namatame also received a persona from Izanami, but it's never shown because the religious savior image is more appropriate for his theme.
>>283889918 not really.., adachi turned out that way because he was forced to study all through his youth and then he fucked up somehow and got sent away to the countryside. Sure he probably didn't have many friends but to say he's yu's shadow is a bit much.
>>283889918 This is true. It's even more heavily implied in the Persona 4 Golden anime, where Adachi gets a new theme song and the lyrics are exactly that. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6qUhkYTruFs
>“come on this ain’t nothing to rule over this matter brother >you and I we ain’t so different >I guess I had more blessing without it you got belligerent >but I totally understand glass was half full for mine."
>and it looked half empty for me
>maybe that [one glass] made the path we took who knows?
>>283890364 not having friends doesn't turn you into a murderer, I'm not saying there's no thematic connection between yu and adachi but to say that yu would have turned out that way without slinks is a bit farfetched.
>>283890489 >>283890558 >>283890578 >MUH ANIME ISN'T CANON I bet you think Marie isn't canon either. How's it feel to know the anime filled in blanks the game didn't and it's all canon no matter how assmad you get.
>>283890786 >>283890831 >BUT MUH VIDEOGAMES Accomplice mode negates your theory that he's 100% pure and innocent player puppet for good. Yu has an established character. He isn't your FATLUS waifu self insert anymore, nerd.
>>283881774 That would make him almost Kanji-sized. Who was super huge compared to the rest of the cast. The Japanese really are small. Kanji is only 6 ft and he fucking towers everyone. I spent most of the game thinking he was like 6'5 and then I look at his bio and realize that everyone else is just extremely tiny.
>>283891010 Well in the game YOU are the one who chooses to go all accomplice its not like that was decided for you. Yes they did give Yu a cannon personality (and name for that matter) but that caniccity comes from the Spin-off games.
>>283891405 I love how the canon from the games and the canon from the anime go hand in hand, especially for Adachi. >>283891471 >Same person under different circumstances >THEY DON'T ACT THE SAME You aren't THAT dumb are you?
>>283882154 My first time through P4 I did one-day runs. It just took a while before and during Kanji's dungeon because I had to kill until I got one of the SP-Refill Arcanas. After Kanji's though it was a breeze because SP is the only limiting factor and you can get a mage-mark from his dungeon. It's broken as fuck because it restores SP every turn so whenever I ran out of SP I went to the first floor of the starter dungeon and guarded until my SP was full again.
>>283891603 Nigger Adachi didn't grow up in a battlefield or Detroit, he didn't lose his parents in a theater burglary, in fact nothing remarkable happened other than he avoided jail time by being relocated. There are no world changing events in his life that made him say "I'm going to join the police force for a gun and rape some bitches".
Also reading the entire lyrics makes the claim even more hilarious. Look at that broken as fuck nonsensical english at times.
Okay, I'm not the guy who started saying it but holy shit you niggers are more assblasted than fanfic hambeasts over nothing. Ignoring the anime, taken straight from P4G after you beat Ameno Sagiri and have Hunger S link at 8:
>We have the same power, but things turned out so differently for us... >But... maybe if I had been more like you, things wouldn't have gone this way...
Those two lines could be taken to imply that Yu and Adachi are a product of their circumstances. It's not the only interpretation and it's not a definitive correct interpretation, it's just one way of looking at it. There is no correct interpretation because opinions on art etc and getting butthurt over someone else's interpretation of something vague is absolutely pathetic.
>>283892114 >Those two lines could be taken to imply that Yu and Adachi are a product of their circumstances. No it implies if Adachi wasn't an asshole and actually cared about his friends/family he would have had a better life
>>283892114 >>We have the same power, but things turned out so differently for us... They were given the same power by the same person.
>>But... maybe if I had been more like you, things wouldn't have gone this way... Well no shit if he wasn't 4chan personified he would have had a happier life, clearly some deep implications in these words.
>>283892015 >>283892114 >>283892216 The bottom line is Adachi gets some slack. Because without him being fucking crazy and throwing people into the TV along with fucking with Namatame then Inaba would have been destroyed.
Had Izanami not given him the power then the plot never would have happened and Inaba would have been destroyed. Because they would never have investigated the TV-World or learned about Persona's. They never would have met the majority of the cast.
Adachi is a monster but he is indirectly responsible for saving the whole town because the fog shit was going down with or without him.
>>283892658 >I gave up my youth to get as far as everyone else did without as much effort and enjoyed their youth for THIS? I don't even agree with what he did, but I understand where he's coming from.
>>283892323 >Well no shit if he wasn't 4chan personified he would have had a happier life, clearly some deep implications in these words. I think that's why so many people sympathize with him. Adachi was rejected and made to feel like nothing all of his life (just like most of us), while Yu was the opposite.
Originally, like way in the early stages is was Yukiko because they wanted the killer to be part of the group, but they said "nah, it's too dark" and they changed it to Dojima and then said "it's still to dark" and finally to Adachi
>>283892867 Unjust resentment. He thought he would be living the dream as a cop(which he would have as the police/teacher unions were shady as fuck in Japan) But he did something retarded and got relocated(which is what they do to people who criminally fuck up)
>>283893396 Had she found someone else then Adachi wouldn't be a criminal. His downward spiral really started after he saw he had killed Ms.Yamano. Otherwise he was just a shit. You could argue that a lot of people would be as monstrous as Adachi but they simply weren't put in that position. The same could be said for Yu.
it's a rumor that floated around so there's some truth to it. Basically, notice how Yukiko isn't around at all during the first two murders happen and how she's really reserved and quiet. It's the same as the rumor of how Persona 4 ripped off a lot of Persona 2 because they writers were all mad at each other and wanted to stick it to the writers of 1 and 2 by taking their story and making it bigger and more successful while being the polar opposite along with never mentioning 1 and 2 again. There's no actual proof, but you can pick up subtles from various places
>>283893615 That is a good point and makes total sense. If this was done very late in development, they wouldn't have been able to just change all of those originally planned clues. I heard it was like Yukiko > Dojima and then Adachi.
I wonder if they'd still have the reveal or any beta assets laying around with the original killer.
>>283893615 Yosuke has a much bigger case against him than that though.
The entire town hates him because of Junes, he hates being stuck out in the middle of nowhere, and even his shadow reminds him that he's somewhat excited for something to be happening in town. Not to mention that each victim up until Naoto is an heir to a local business. It would have also made some sense thematically if you had to suspect your best friend.
Honestly though, you can make a case against everyone besides Chie, Naoto, & Nanako.
>>283892627 The way I took it was, Adachi lived a shitty life so he turned out shitty. As awful and selfish as that is, I can kinda understand what the anime was going for. Nature vs nurture etc. It makes sense to me given that the player's experience in the game is blatant wish-fulfillment "everyone wants to be your friend/suck your dick", which you could compare to basically anyone else.
>>283893615 That's complete bullshit, but I'll believe it. Yo, it would've actually been pretty cool if they did that. Main party member was the villain all along, now you have to fight them. Hope you weren't relying on them being in your party as your main strategy.
>>283880385 The same way you reject any of the girls you don't want to be involved in? This is a stupid point. You turn them down and don't think twice about it because it's not "being gay with your bro", but why is it suddenly a big deal because you do the exact same thing with a dude?
Not even trying to push social issues or whatever. I just don't understand this complaint.
>>283894541 That's like the one thing I'm terrified of in video games. I think one of the FFs did something like that, but with the villain as a temporary party member.
My worst fear is if you're forced to fight your other party member and they have the same stats and equipment they did when they were playable. I can't think of any console game that does this, but a while ago I played a singleplayer story campaign-focused MOBA-esque game on mobile (it was okay). In it you have multiple heroes and also different units/towers you can unlock and upgrade. At one MANDATORY point in story mode, you fight one of the heroes you've unlocked for that story mode. Then, you have to play as one of the other heroes you've unlocked and fight the hero you used in the previous fight with their stats/equipment/units/etc.
Now, it's a shitty mobile game so I cheated my character to be one of the normally unplayable boss characters and have super powered units/etc, so this was like a horrific nightmare of my own creation. I had to skip the stage by editing the save file but still.
In relation to Persona, by the time I got to Heaven I had accidentally got 3 party members to level 99 from farming gold hands to level up Yoshitsune and Trumpeter for their skills. Then I learned that an upcoming boss can take control of party members and I got kinda worried.
I killed the boss in three turns but still, had me sweating for a second.
>>283893591 > His downward spiral really started after he saw he had killed Ms.Yamano. It started way before that, that was the tipping point though.
I really wish they'd handled Adachi better in the original game. If you really pay attention to a few parts of the game you realize that he has a whole backstory that isn't really spelled out for you.
From what I understand, he was just an average (if socially inept) guy who joined the police on a whim. He fucked up somehow Apparently sexual harassment, but I've never seen a source for it and got sent out to Inaba, a town in the middle of nowhere. Somewhere along the line he gets cynical, depressed, and starts waifuing Mayumi Yamano, which triggers his near suicidal state when he finds out about her affair on TV (remember his room in the TV world, with the scarf noose and the scratched out posters).
I'd actually like to see more of his backstory in a side story or something, he wasn't really built up in P4, and you can only piece together the info after the fact
Anybody dislike the investigation team as a whole? I mean seperately they are fine and all with their social links but not together.
>Everybody is a dick to teddie and Kanji and they are treated as comic relief. >Yosuke is a dick to others then complains how everybody is a dick to him. >The girls don't acknowledge you're in a relationship with them infront of the others. >Chie and Yukiko chuck you in a river regardless of what you say. >Nanako chan~~~~<3 lets do half our outings and events for her, so if she goes away its kinda justified to kill a man cause we care. >Naoto a skilled detective, loses her cool and wants to kill Namatame with the others sharing her view. >No don't appologise for chucking an endless supply of cleaning equipment at us when we were in the right (why can't they use that attack in battle?) >Adachi is in the wrong he killed somebody by accident, then somebody on purpose then he didn't do shit when Namatame phoned him. He's the scum of the earth, how dare he kill somebody its not like we kill or wanted to kill somebody, when we were angry. We are teens, everything is fine in this world we have yet to step foot into, he did something wrong his reasons don't matter and we won't bother trying to understand them.
Here's the problem I have with Adachi being the killer and it's a bigger problem with the whole murder mystery genre to be honest. It's ALWAYS someone who is/was a cop or is somehow involved with the police. I played Heavy Rain before Persona 4 so I had a good idea playing through it was Adachi, and honestly heavy rain did it better than Persona 4 which says a lot.
>>283894461 It almost makes it seem like the characters were made to get on your nerves to provide contrast, but then you remember how shallow the rest of the game was even after that and it goes out the window.
>>283892658 >>283892354 This is one of the many things that pissed me off the most regarding my experience with Persona 4. The only character development the entirety of the fucking Investigation Team had outside of their [shit] social links was them realizing that everyone has different sides to them, and everyone has their own problems, and yet when it comes time to confront Adachi all of that goes out the window in favor of calling him names and generally being a hypocrite. I'm in no way justifying anything Adachi did, but could they at least have FUCKING TRIED to understand him? With the experiences they all went through I doubt it would have been fucking hard. Not everything is as simple as friendship and fucking rainbows. Holy fuck.
>>283895434 One thing I like about P4 is how a lot of the plot is happening in the background where it isn't obvious but on subsequent runs through the game it's super obvious. >The Gas Attendant >Namatame in general >Adachi's descent into madness >Kanji's dungeon was entirely because of Naoto asking him out >Tanaka being a fucking shyster >Chie is actually the smartest person on the team >Naoto is a fucking idiot >Teddie potentially being Lucifer
Can I ask a question? I may have missed this part in Persona 4 being an idiot, but why did the victims end up on television attenas again? Did Adachi put them there or was it magic? It probably was stated at some point and I'm being retarded, but I honestly don't know
>>283895939 I agree with you there, but I want to add something about party member character development.
Chie is my favorite character in Persona 4, yet everyone says she's nothing more than a tomboy who's obsessed with meat and is revealed to have jealousy and self-worth issues that are overcome really early on. And they're absolutely right, that's basically all to her character and in her social link she decides she wants to protect people because sure okay. That's all she is... unless you become her boyfriend.
In the lovers route she opens up a little bit more and it's revealed how she's shy when it comes to romance, she still wants to be seen as feminine and feels inadequate as a woman compared to Yukiko and the other girls. I know it's not much, but it makes her a bit more interesting as character.
My gripe is, why is it only limited to her lovers scenes? Why couldn't they have thrown in a bit more of this conflict in her social link, or even just other cutscenes? Kanji, Rise, Yukiko and Naoto's social links are all directly about dealing with the issues behind their shadow, but I feel like it's not done at all for Chie's regular S link.
>>283896583 The gas attendant was super duper suspicious. Unnamed NPC at the start of the game with a unique look and fully voiced lines, only appears on rainy days and just talks about the murders and the midnight channel. Suspicious as FUCK.
I'm okay with Teddie being Lucifer if it means I can morning star everything to death.
there's a lot of questions like this I have. Like is Naoto from Inaba or around there because where is she staying if not with her grandfather at their estate. How big is The Amagi Inn exactly? They always say Yu is from the city, but what city exactly?
>>283897216 > is Naoto from Inaba or around there because where is she staying if not with her grandfather at their estate Now that I think about it, where is her grandfather's estate again? I just assumed her grandfather lives nearby in Inaba and she just decides she likes it there.
>How big is The Amagi Inn exactly? Really big, but not big enough to have two different hot spring baths.
> They always say Yu is from the city, but what city exactly? Tokyo, where Persona 5 is set in That's a lie but damnit that would be cool if Yu is just there as a random NPC and only says "I spent a year in Inaba it was pretty cool" and that's it. I just want little cameos like that.
>>283897368 I get that, but it bothers me because if people never saw her lovers route then she's nothing more than a shallow gimmick character. You don't even get a hint of her personality outside of "heroic kung fu tomboy who likes meat".
Rise, Yukiko, Ai and to a lesser extent Naoto, in their S links lovers or no you get to see all sides of their personality. It just seems weird to me that Chie is an exception.
>>283897195 > why is it only limited to her lovers scenes?
Cause in the grand scheme of things that shit isn't important. But more importantly it's because P4 does a horrible job of executing party Social Links. They go too deep and tend to heavily deviate from the idea of hanging out to improve your relationship with someone.
>>283897941 The femininity issue is lightly touched on for all of one S rank scene. Her shadow was about feeling inferior to Yukiko, but during her Valentines scene she mentions that she also felt inferior to Rise and Naoto too, hinting that it's more of a broader feeling of inadequacy.
>>283897417 Luicfers human form is typically a young blonde. Teddies human form looks exactly how Lucifer is typically depicted down to the rose on his chest. Lucifer was also called the most beautiful of all the angels and Teddie is depicted as being supernaturally beautiful.
His Arcana is also the star and it's final persona being Helel also known as pre-fall Lucifer. Lucifer is also known as the king of the void and the abyss. Teddie remembers that he was a special being, a king of some sort in the other world and a special being. The other-world is essentially the abyss and Teddie was apparently the King of it.
There is also the fact he can fucking bebop around the regular world with no trouble at all. He can freely go and do whatever the fuck he wants. By contrast Izanami can ONLY do it during rainy days when the barrier is super-weak. But Teddie does that shit like it's nothing proving he is somehow much more powerful that a goddess.
But he isn't Lucifer exactly. He is the positive aspect of him. He is hope, the star and everything Lucifer was supposed to be. Which implies that there is the post fall version somewhere around in the Persona world.
>>283898070 It kinda makes sense for Chie at least because Chie becomes extremely shy when you start dating her and seems really hesitant to let anyone know, and Yukiko is dumb enough to not figure it out unless told directly.
No good excuse for Yukiko though. Maybe she's just too air-headed and never thinks to bring it up?
>>283898265 >hinting that it's more of a broader feeling of inadequacy.
going deeper into her initial issue just like the rest of the cast, whats the problem then? I thought the femininity thing was pretty obvious, her shadow complains how yukiko has all the attention from guys
>>283878789 >What changes would you like to see be made to the series with this installment? I'd like the protagonist to be in college rather than high school. I feel like with a college setting the school's atmosphere could be more culturally varied. That staring a sea of pale faces can be excused when the game is taking place in a highschool in a fictional albeit remote location in a place that's vaguely Japanese but why keep that going? I'll still play it, though.
I'd like some dialogue options as well. Being a silent protagonist is a thing that I don't think is ever going to go away and I respect that. I'd just like more opportunities to interact with party members/NPCs through multiple options that switch up how the conversation flows. You're usually given a "Yes" and a "No" choice and I hate that. I'd like variety.
>>283898861 I'd love if that tanuki person we glimpsed in the trailer was something like that. A self-proclaimed superhero running around with a Persona, kind of an opposite to the main cast of thieves, they could be the rival Persona-user you fight.
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