Is it just me or is it obvious that maybe, just maybe, Japanese game developers like Shigeru Miyamoto, who are respected and admired for the crazy zany imaginative worlds they craft (Katamari Damacy, Sudo 51, etc.) are closet fans of magic mushrooms?
Dude grew up in Japanese countryside.
Explored forests and caves as a child.
Mushrooms are abundant and hunting them is very popular.
He's an avid gardener.
And then you look at a game like Yoshi's Island, and a level containing enemies that cause you to experience sonically, sensorially, and visually the effects of LSD.
tl;dr Japanese game developers eat shrooms.
Drug culture in general is pretty much non-existent in Japan.
I know you'd like to think your Japanese devs are constantly off their tits while they design their games, but chances of this are unlikely. A combination of American propaganda post WW2 and Japanese mentality of how drugs affect your life, job, family etc caused them to just not ever experiment with it.
Y'know i just realized i have never seen a japanese stoner.
>FOL TWENTERU BURAZE IT!
>SMOKERU WEED EVULY DAY
I'm from Australia and my dad sells weed to a Japanese guy.
He has a very well paying job in Japan, and takes 3 month holidays each year to northern Sydney to smoke weed and surf.
Pretty comfy lifestyle if you ask me.
read once that edo era japan smoked ganja all the time
if not that they're definitely intoxicated on inhuman amounts of msg and soy all the time
it's rare but some people do grow but dealing is close to nonexistant
just because the games go well with drugs doesn't mean the developers do drugs. drugs are seen very differently over there, you can pretty much lose your career if you admit to doing them. that being said, i'm sure many of them do partake occasionally, or have in the past, they just have to be infallible at keeping it a secret.
>you have to be on drugs to think of interesting ideas
I'm not suggesting that they develop games while tripping on shrooms, that's ridiculous. But for many the effects can be life-changing, a single dose can potentially be a lifetime source of creativity and imagination. Accidental consumption is entirely possible. I've read of some modern cases occurring in Russia.
"Drugs" are taboo in Japan and the rest of Asia because of opium. Shrooms are just mushrooms; they don't fit the bill for what you would consider "drugs", and the Japanese government only outlawed them recently. They're still easy to find.
>60$ a gram
I wouldn't smoke weed if I lived in Japan either, that's fucked up.
>Mostly straight edge, no interest in drug culture whatsoever
>Write stories featuring whatever bizarre concepts come to mind
>"Shit man, you must've been on some good stuff when you wrote this!"
Every time some asshole associates creativity with drug usage, I just want to break my keyboard over their head.
>Obsessed with MUH REALISM and finding REALISM behind any fantastic concept
>Hey, here's a unique idea. It's full of imagination and a bit of fantasy.
>WOAH ARE YOU ON DRUGS
The mushrooms in Mario are not the good kind of psychoactive mushrooms. Amanitas don't contain psilocybin and has very different effects. Most people I've talked to said that taking them wasn't fun at all.
Perhaps it is your unfamiliarity with drugs and their culture that makes it seem like they associate all creativity with drug use when in fact they are associating certain elements with drug use because they in fact are linked, regardless of the fact that it is not the place that you derived them from. Not saying there aren't shitters who just say that about anything but they're more likely to be <13yo and people who have never done drugs make those remarks too.
Why are you associating psychedelics with marijuana? Are you really that insecure about never having a joint passed to you at a party by the cool kids that you would rather put every drug under the umbrella '420'?
>That friend who thinks weed is GOOD for you
>His own therapist said it was negative affecting and increasing his anxiety but he was sure he knew better
>"Bro all the adults in your family probably smoke weed too" - something he said to me when we were like 17
>Thinks any media that is abstract, colorful or odd was made under the influence
"The effects of touching Fuzzies may parody the stereotypical visual, mental and physical effects of popular psychedelic drugs such as LSD or psilocybin mushrooms."
No, dude. I'm bummed because my narc parents won't let me smoke weed. They're such dweebs, dude.
I just want to 420 with the cool guys, bro! Why won't they let me smoke weed everyday? I just want to smoke a bowl, bro!
He'll get a rude awakening in a couple years and cut back drastically or quit. Nothing you can do about it for now, anything you attempt would just drive him to smoke more out of spite / to prove you wrong.
Uh, well... psilocybin shrooms were absolutely legal in Japan up until 2002.
Then Japan hosted the FIFA 2002 world cup and since they were expecting a lot of foreigners, the japanese government was told to make them illegal.
So yeah, most probably a lot of japanese developers, especially those form the 80s and 00s, did try shrooms at least once.
Dude I just want to get super high! One time I actually touched a joint! It wasn't lit but I still got super high!
I wish I could just snort some mushrooms or something dude. Injecting crack would be cool too!
>friend smokes weed all the time
>I come over and try it out
>feel so fucking nervous
>chest feels cold and deep
>eye lids feel literally high
>can't understand shit
>feel so weird, not happy, just weird
>take a nap
>friend says he was scared because he thought I passed out
Was that normal?
smack you on the nose
If it's a living creature, you hunt for it.
If it's a plant or otherwise inanimate object, you forage for it.
Go to your kennel.
How many hits did you have? If it was your first time, literally 2 hits is 2 much
that was a bad joke but for real, it's a serious question so I can coach you on how to not flip the fuck out/be a weirdo
>>>friend smokes weed all the time
Why would you want to spend time with someone who never shuts up about their shitty hobby?
Don't you get sick of hearing about how he was suuuuuper high dude?
Nothing there raises any alarm bells about it not being pot or anything like that if that's what you're worried about. Sounds like it's not your cup of tea though. If you want you can try different strains or intake methods since those can affect the effects but mostly I'd say it's the "a drug will affect everyone differently" that is the biggest factor.
You can visually be encompassed in it too. I don't talk about fucking video games but 100% of the time video games are near me, I'm playing them. And if someone wanted to play video games with me, I wouldn't be a faggot and say no.
this thread is making me want to go hunt some shrooms. Are they around in Texas right now?
>3rd puff was for fun
Oh man I'm literally losing my shit right now
No, I'm glad you got it down like a champ but don't be afraid to take small tokes. Stoners like to outclass each other, and even a quarter of a blunt can be too much for me if I smoke it to the dome [depending on my tolerance]
Next time you smoke, take one hit and ride it out. Wait 5-10 minutes, and then feel if you can double it, or tap out. Don't ever be afraid to deny a hit, or turn down a hit. Trust me, it's better for anyone to think you're a lame for 5 seconds than to have you bug out in front of them for 50 minutes
Hunting mushrooms is a really bad idea if you don't already know the answer to that question. You can legally buy spores on the internet in the US. Mushrooms are easy to grow too. Visit shroomery and read their guides.
>never shuts up about their shitty hobby?
>hearing about how he was suuuuuper high dude?
I can't find where that anon posted those sentences about his friend, can you help me find those without referencing your own post?
maeshima ryou, Happiness Experience
Japan is a small island with very strictly enforced drug laws, and there isn't as much of a drug culture as there is in other places. Getting caught with weed is like getting caught with heroin elsewhere.
Be it just me or is it obvious dat maybe, just maybe, Japaneze game hustlaz liznike Shigeru Miyamoto, whoz ass be bigged up n' admired fo' tha wild-ass zany imaginatizzle ghettos they crizzle (Katamari Damacy, Sudo 51, etc.) be closet hustlaz of magic mushrizzles?
Dude grew up 'n Japanese ghettoside.
Explored forests n' caves as a cold-ass shawty child. Wussup to all my niggaz in the house.
Mushrizzles be abundant n' hustlin dem be straight-up popular like old skool shit.
Dat punk a avizzle gardena and my money on my mind.
N then you peep a game like Yoshiz Island, n' a levizzle containin enemies dat cauze you ta experience sonicizzle, sensorially, n' visually tha effizzle of LSD.
tl;dr Japaneze game pimpa smoke shrooms cuz Im tha Double O G.
"Drug culture", doesn't have to exist, in order to have experiences with drugs. It's not a reasonable assumption to assume that Shiggy or any other developer uses shrooms on a regular basis. A more reasonable assumption is that he has had one two, or multiple psychedelic experiences in his lifetime. Which is completely possible.
America gets hit with anti-drug propaganda all the time. it still doesn't stop people who want to experiment from experimenting.
>get out of a bad relationship
>go over to friends house to smoke weed for the first time in ever
>take some fatty 420 bong hits
>all of a sudden i become hyper aware of my situation, and I disassociate from my surroundings
>start freaking the fuck out
>try to throw myself off my friends balcony
>friend forcibly wrestles me to the ground after pulling me off his balcony
>wake up at 5am the next morning after being out for like 9 hours
>clean up all the vomit from his sink
>drive home, cry all the way home
was this normal?
yeah, im being completely serious
every time i so much as smell weed now I get instinctually sick as fuck. i never really enjoyed it, but this just solidifies my not enjoying it
Uh, how many bong rips did you have?
Lmao, I'm a stoner and if I don't smoke for a weed [pretending that I built up my tolerance], one rip from the bong will literally have me retarded. Which means one bong rip to a newbie will have you to mars, back, and throw you out to pluto. You went way past your limit, see
low # of people willing to go out and sell to others for profit, things are how they are and people do what they're expected just because, don't question the who, how or why, standard cultural mentality
Set and setting is less as important as with psychs but yeah it can make you feel worse.
Almost never to this fucking oregano smoking faggot level
Alcohol is a better pick me up and forget me now by a longshot.
This. Weed never got "more potent" though. You just need to smoke less and take your time. Sadly, not everyone has a safe spot to smoke and wait things out to see how they feel.
Try it again, but either
A. ask for a smaller device that doesn't get you so much smoke
B. take a "half" rip, or don't take anymore than one hit maximum
And please don't get any suicidal tendencies anymore. I don't know if that's deeply rooted, or a mere reaction to being overly high but even being a junkie is better than killing yourself.
>that one time my roommate wanted to smoke for the first time
>it was a hardcore sesh with me and a stoner roomie
>grav bong with medical grade haze
>we're on our third huge hit
>he takes two
>doesn't seem affected
>leaves to go sit down
>doesn't move for at least an hour
Poor guy, he wasn't ready.
Well, look at Satoshi Taijiri
>Dude grew up in Japanese countryside.
>Explored forests and caves as a child.
>Bugs are abundant and catching them is very popular.
>He's an autistic man
Could it be LSD tho?
>someone is creative
>lol wtf r u drugs on sumtin xD
>people who still think someone's dream journal was a guy tripping on LSD
Nah dude I was meaning the opposite of what you're implying. I know that dude wasn't actually tripping but he at least recognized the similarities between surrealistic dream atmosphere and a psychedelic trip.
There isn't much difference between a dream and a DMT trip in my experience, and biologically apparently.
Sometimes I think the reason Kikiyama doesn't update Yume Nikki anymore is that he got caught with drugs and is serving out his sentence
There are not a lot of drugs where your body will entirely shut down if you don't get your fix like with alcohol. Some may be potentially lethal or send you into a psychosis, and that is not to be taken lightly. But alcohol is the only legal drug in which you can access easily that will kill you if you become heavily addicted.
>Creative people OBVIOUSLY do drugs
You don't have to go to that far to justify your lack of imagination, other people are just better than you at it. This argument is really idiotic, is more likely for drugs to hinder your cognitive abilities that the other way around.
>smoke weed for fun and because it helps with my depression
>tfw constantly seeing "420 blaze it" faggots making weed seem like a terrible thing
It's a wonderful thing and I wish people were more educated about the subject, rather than believing anything they're told. The history of pot is complicated.
Correct me if I'm wrong, but weren't certain varieties of psychedelic mushrooms legal in Japan until the late 90's/early 2000's, which explained why games like Rez, LSD, Eastern Mind, etc. came out of Japan at that time?
I seem to remember hearing that somewhere.
Hey, hey, friend.
You can stop talking shit.
The real answer to the whole dilemma is:
>Drugs do not make people creative, imaginative, or open minded.
>Rather, people who are already open minded, open to new experiences, and thus more creative, are more likely to experiment with drugs like LSD.
>And thus, because these creative people often use their experience through their talent, it is frequent that these people will create something influenced by these experiences. Uncreative drug users will not create something new and imaginative just because they used drugs, and creative non-drug users will still make something creative, only without touching on the experience from taking drugs.
But yes drugs can be bad for your brain.
But psilocybin can actually connect your association areas which can be considered biological evidence for the broad statement "expanding your mind". Not that this makes a person who does them necessarily smarter, wiser, or anything like that. But it literally can expand the areas of your cognitive processes.
>everyone experiences every drug the exact same way
>your present psychological state and surroundings have nothing to do with anything
i am an expert weedlord; i know all there is to know about weed because i have smoked more than 20 weeds in my life
LSD Dream Emulator was inspired by Hiroko Nishikawa's dream journal. Not psychedelics.
But often imagery associated both with dreams and psychedelia is very similar.
I don't know about the others though.
It's one of the most classic and Iconic references to mushrooms. Psychedelics will make things feel big/small, or you big/small. e.g. Alice in Wonderland
But don't forget, everyone acts like we used to talk about drugs as much as we did 20 years ago. Drugs were still frowned upon by the general media at that time, so it's not like everyone who was an advocate for a certain drug could just be like 'HEY I'M X AND I USE Y TO GET FUCKED UP AND DO COOL SHIT'
So it got slipped into media, like games and music. And now with the internet, we're coming to a slow consensus that not all illegal drugs are blatantly outright bad [even though most need to be regulated/used with moderation]
That's a pretty stereotypical thought you have in your head. Lots of different kinds of people smoke weed. Not all of them are people I want to be friends with. Not all of them are happy or chill or mellow.
Legalize it because it's none of the government's fucking business what a person puts in their body, especially when things we know are much more harmful, e.g. tobacco and alcohol, are legal. Also, tax money.
>Drugs decrease creative inhibitions though
Decreasing creative inhibitions generally means an increased level of creativity and awareness of your surroundings, so I don't think that's necessarily a bad thing. It can lead to psychosis, temporary or in severe cases more or less permanent, in people who can't handle the sensory overload.
even if you're just taking the piss this phrase is hilarious
It's also scientifically proven to suck the fun out of things when you aren't high
point is, don't play a game exclusively when you're high all the time or else you'll ONLY want to play it while high
>It can lead to psychosis, temporary or in severe cases more or less permanent, in people who can't handle the sensory overload.
Yeah well, the thought of
>Whoever did this must have been on drugs
is kind of offensive, to think that someone can't be creative without them, it may enhance creativity but some people are creative enough without them.
As OP wisely stated
>They are obviously on drugs
Amanita muscaria (fly agaric) is generally an unpleasant psychedelic, though, since the hallucinogenic properties stem from muscimol and not psilocybin.
It's not traditionally a psychedelic and is more of a deliriant and a dissociative - which is where the whole growing/shrinking comes from.
Yeah OP's post is a pretty good example of someone being retarded about it. There are times when it seems like certain ideas or ways of looking at things line up very well with the sort of experiences you get with drugs though, and in those cases I can understand somewhat similar comments being made that would be legitimate.
There's a difference between a negative connotation behind it and a neutral/positive one.
Your 60 year old grandma is the one saying "They must have been on drugs" in a bad way.
Your friends are the ones saying "They must have been on hella drugs to make this shit!" in a neutral/good way.
Generation gap, don't let the baby boomers make you walk on eggshells because of the way they want this nation run. They've got one foot on a banana peel and the other in a grave
Thats not true. Some drugs amplify your emotions before you did them, namely psychoactive drugs or drugs that influence psychoactive behavior.
But even thats not always the case as adverse effects are bound to happen. Some people react negatively and some people don't react at all.
Too assume that every person is exactly the same or that we all react the same way is incredibly short sighted and ignorant, which is why no drug should be illegal. That isn't to say that the possible effects of all drugs shouldn't be taught however.
>implying people don't mix weed+tobacco all the time
>implying people don't mix weed+booze all the time
>implying people don't mix weed+tobacco+booze all the time
>implying implications implicitly
My cousin is a big time stoner, he steals from his mom, constantly gets in trouble, almost got his girlfriend killed by taking her to a party with some of his stoner friends. If it wasn't for some family issues I would have reported him to the police already.
Having lived in Japan for several years I can say that there are drug users there, but they are incredibly small numbers, and unlike western society, they are are pretty much never shown in a positive light or romanticized.
That's true, but it's not necessarily inaccurate, especially for uncreative people whose height of imaginative thought is a psychedelic experience or something. So really it's more a problem with uncreative people who've never done drugs.
Both Picasso and Dali produced creative, surrealistic artwork, but only Picasso did drugs; Dali claimed "he was the drug". But both were also kind of fucking dicks.
Whoa, mixing weed and booze is NOT for everyone. Weed before beer, you're in the clear. Beer before weed -- Well you're just gonna get really fucked up dude enjoy the ride if you can even do that
Picasso could openly admit he did drugs to inspire his work. Dali was just a pompous asshole who didn't want the public to know he was a drug user. Still one my favorite artists, but even the dead could have been arrogant pricks in their time.
>lsd and shrooms are same kind of trip
grow up kid
Also, I forgot to mention, drugs in japan are ridiculously expensive. My friends and I would pay about 5000 yen for a single joint of weed that would be smoked in about an hour.
Amanita muscaria is not native to Japan, however, so it makes the idea that Miyamoto or any other developer ran around the countryside and ate shrooms and tripped out fairly implausible; that, and if any hallucinogenic mushroom is available in Japan, it's most likely some variant of psilocybin mushrooms.
Clearly Miyamoto just made amanita muscaria the mushroom in Mario since that was the classic European mushroom from Alice in Wonderland, and he wanted it to be a mushroom from a fantasy, not a drug reference.
>Picasso could openly admit he did drugs to inspire his work.
He never did, though it's postulated they affected his shift into cubism.
Both Picasso and Dali were dicks just in general outside of drugs.
They are both psychedelic hallucinogens, which makes them much more similar than drugs outside of that category are to them. From my experience both were similar but for me shrooms were more tangible whereas acid made me a lot more speculative and phased out.
Not that guy and I agree 99%, just want to add that those things are not mutually exclusive. Things can be kind-of drug references even if they're mostly something else, and in the case of Japanese developers they obviously would not publicly speak of the slight drug reference they were thinking about. I think it is also kind of naive to think that drugs could not have crossed a developer's mind when he has mushrooms as a central mechanic in his game.
THat's not really where I'm going, I don't need drugs to be creative, if the only way someone can be creative is for the drugs then thank you for the credit I deserve, asshole, to me is like when someone says, "god blessed you with the gift of music"; well fuck you, god didn't give anything, I worked hard to get here on my own merits, no need to credit some imaginay friend in the sky.
That's my irrational argument, it may not be a popular opinion with the kids these days but the idea of people automatically assuming something just because is the most "obvious" explanation is pretty close minded.
Fuck that. The most and only good way to get into a secondary state is to drink good beer, all alone, while doing your favorite activity. It's simply perfect. Tasty, comfy, makes you feel loved by beer.
You know, you could be right, but considering how small the drug culture is Japan I find it fairly reasonable that Miyamoto could recognize it could be perceived as a drug reference, and then think that most of his audience will either miss it or think the other way.
And of course not everything that seems like a drug reference actually is; you don't want to go the whole Puff the Magic Dragon route with deciphering references.
Basically, Shigeru probably thought of the Alice in Wonderland reference first, noted that it probably could be seen as a drug reference, but said fuck it anyway they're Italian plumbers fighting a turtle dragon thing.
How about I just eat half a cookie and get a better, longer lasting buzz with little to no side effects and no problems after I come down and way less calories consumed and still taste better?
Enjoy your piss.
you generalize just as much as who you are replying to when you say creative people are more likely to use LSD.
My opinion is this: this topic is someone who has tried shrooms trying to associate his favorite vidya legends with his hobby, when there is no evidence of it ever happening. Just assumptions based upon style choices. Just because there is a mushroom in a videogame doesn't mean the person did shrooms. The reasoning could be as simple as an attempt to make an appealing product in a, at that point, niche genre of media. Something that is more appealing than pixels on a screen. A similar reasoning to selling your console with a robot toy.
>tons of shitty additives
>huge sugar content
Half a cookie, home baked, you can do it gluten and sugar free if you want, really you can make the butter and spread it on a piece of toast if you like.
How many beers does it take to get a decent buzz and calories per beer? Yeah, thought so.
>THat's not really where I'm going, I don't need drugs to be creative, if the only way someone can be creative is for the drugs then thank you for the credit I deserve, asshole, to me is like when someone says, "god blessed you with the gift of music"; well fuck you, god didn't give anything, I worked hard to get here on my own merits, no need to credit some imaginay friend in the sky.
No one is disputing that. It's just that there's evidence that shows that psychedelics like LSD have been known to IMPROVE creativity and divergent thinking.
It's not really generalizing as it is making a reasonable claim; people who are less open-minded are less likely to take drugs.
At no point was I claiming that Shigeru did mushrooms and that's what it was; in fact, with another poster I said the opposite, and that it was unlikely.
I don't really think putting a mushroom in a game is Miyamoto's attempt at making an appealing product. It sounds like you're saying he put the mushroom in the game to attract people who have done shrooms, which isn't just patently untrue but retarded.
Mario was not hitting the periphery demographic of psych users with their super cool drug references the way it was trying to hit the main niche of children with a toy robot. To be perfectly honest, Mario's appeal to a drug culture would come more from its visuals and simple gameplay than its story or references.
drinking has the amazing effect of inhibiting your everything. At least personally, my ideas flow more freely drunk than hi. Also, like weed, alcohol in small quantities is actually quite good for your body. And it's negative side effects are more phisical than psicological (sans the full blown addiction, it does almost nothing chronic to your mind). Weed, on the other hand, has almost no negative phisical effects, but has a higher chance of triggering psycotic outbursts, schizophrenia (with predisposition) and generally ruining your memory capacity.
Neither drug is perfect, and you should only be taking what you feel you can take.
Don't smoke weed if you are a schizoid, don't drink if you have a weak liver or an addictive personality, it's really that simple.
I thought that magic mushrooms were actually legal in Japan until fairly recently, like the mid 2000s because of a loophole in the law. With that in mind, I'd be damn sure plenty of developers did them at least once.
Give me the name of one mathematician that did LSD primarily. Just saying, 'cause mathematics are the ultimate expression of human creativity, and most of those guys did fucking meth.
>spending so much money so you can look cool in front of your friends for a few minutes
What's the point?
I don't really think the video game developer subculture has a lot of overlap with the Japanese drug culture.
There was at least some level of Japanese psych culture in the late 80s/early 90s though.
How far do you know math? have you ever attempted to read a good proof? Ever tried to think how the hell did people came up with a proof as simple as pythagora's theorem? Mathematics is where you need to use your divergent thinking skills to it's maximum. And before you come up with "it's just formulas and shit", think of the predisposed formulas as artistic methods, like learning how to paint. It's when you apply those formulas, or even create new ones that you see the beuty of a well constructed proof.
If art is telling the truth through lies, math is telling the truth through nothig, the most abstract of thoughts.
I don't know which one you're talking about, but these links might be of relevance:
Being open minded and being creative are two separate things. A creative person is not someone automatically more willing to try a drug because their head is already in the clouds. Thats like saying that all artists are flaming liberals.
And no, I agree with your original sentiment. I believe shigeru just put mushrooms into his game to look appealing to more people, not specifically drug enthusiasts. Also the type of mushroom he illustrated I believe is more in line with the fantasy styled mushrooms from fairy tales. Ask any kid to draw a shroom and theyre going to put big polka dots on them because it is how our culture illustrates a mushroom in a fun whimsical fashion. That is why I think those type of mushrooms, and that type of atmosphere was made for mario. To appeal to kids in a whimsical type of way.
I just have an issue with the assumption that all creative people who created things that may parallel a drug culture/drug atmosphere CLEARLY did drugs. Its not true. I think perhaps creative people are more off the wall, sure, but deciding to use a drug does not come from that creative aspect of a person. It has more to do with your personal philosophy on the subject.
I love drugs.
But when you're on drugs you're not really good at creating stuff
Yeah, you have wild thoughts and crazy visuals.
But it's impossible to translate those ideas and visuals to any physical medium.
As I said, no mathematitians but Feyman and Paul Erdös, but he did meth, not LSD, as I said.
Also, >>284021023 for seeing that Feyman didn't take psychodelics regularly.
this list was made to make stoners feel good, it seems.
>But it's impossible to translate those ideas and visuals to any physical medium.
Sounds like you've never taken any psychedelics.
There's literally public recorded footage of an artist involved in an LSD experiment painting during the peak.
Maybe if you took way too much you'd be freaking out so much that you'd never even remember to write or draw the things you're seeing but even then you would be sane enough to do it during the come up and come down.
Being open-minded is essentially the basic foundation of creativity though, in terms of thought process. The overlap about wanting to explore something you've never tried and being creative and essentially demonstrating things you or other people have never done is very clear.
I agree with your sentiment that it's not exactly a ringing endorsement to be told your creative endeavors are the product of drug use, just as it would be to say for many people that their efforts are the product of god, or mental illness. I don't particularly think though that they're saying that you'd necessarily have to do drugs do produce whatever you're making that causes them to react that way, more that they are drawing from their own (by their own admission frequently) "uncreative" prototypes, and "trippy and creative" is what they're going for, not actually saying you do drugs. Plus, they are reaching from an overarching stereotype of artists as these types of open-minded individuals, under that umbrella including drug use.
In short, choosing to do drugs as a mental process is definitely an aspect in the mental process of creative thinking, but this does not mean by any measure that you have to do drugs to be creative.
>Paul Erdos did meth
He used regular amphetamines, not methamphetamine.
>this list was made to make stoners feel good, it seems.
I found that list after three seconds of googling. Either way, you can look up all the listed names on Wikipedia to find correct information.
Stoners don't need it they take drugs to feel good.
If it was intended for that they could've just cited a thousand musicians that did drugs.
And the heading states "technological visionaries" which (as intended) broadly refers to Jobs and Gates as well.
Is there cross tolerance between lsd and weed? When I tried lsd, it barely affected me at all. I smoke a lot of weed. Could those be related? Everyone else was tripping a lot.
You are the one thats wrong, weed just amplifies what your feeling, that's why if you laugh, you laugh like a retard for 10 fucking minutes, or if your paranoid you literally freak the fuck out, same thing with being sad or angry or any other feeling
If it was your first time, that's a fairly common occurrence, generally the best route to go with first time LSD is take one tab, wait 2 hours or so, if there's nothing happening, take a second, and you'll more likely get the effects.
I guess it could also be argued that people who view any form of art or media are doing just what any viewer may do when looking at art done by another person. They're placing their own observations and life experiences into what they're viewing. Perhaps the drug user who is in that "drug lifestyle" sees the mushroom and connects to the game in a different way. And since there is no wrong way to look at art, it isn't necessarily wrong to associate the art with drugs.
Its just different to announce to everyone around you that "obviously" the creator was on drugs. In the same way how it feels rude to tell everyone "No, THIS is what the artist was going for! The way you think is the wrong way to look at it!" And thats what my personal objection stemmed from.
>Is there cross tolerance between LSD and weed
I don't believe so, LSD and psilocybin affect different neurotransmitters.
If you smoked a lot of weed before it may have affected your trip, and it may be because you're used to an "altered state" that your mindset was different for the trip than everybody else - essentially, you expected more than the dosage was and thus the trip didn't seem as impressive.
And of course, LSD affects everyone differently; you may simply have a higher threshold than they do, or go through trips differently.
That's a really dumb reason not to try it. I'm not saying that it's a good idea to try LSD, but your reasoning is really stupid.
I want to try again but I can't seem to find anyone who sells. I'll try a little harder, but now that I'm working, there isn't a whole lot of time to do drugs.
By this I assume he means if you did research chemicals that are frequently passed over as acid.
If you had to hold against your gums, or it was very bitter and almost metallic, it was probably nBOME and not LSD.
I have an active imagination and LSD is never like I expect it to be.
On low to moderate dosage it essentially intensifies visuals, makes things more vibrant and you can kind of see patterns - these are just the more noticeable generic parts, there's some mental stuff going on that varies from person to person.
You don't get serious hallucinations and ego death until sizable to high doses.
So if you do a moderate dose it's not like your face will melt off or anything.
It was tasteless. I did some research on how to tell if you've really got acid and I'm almost certain that it was. Drugs just affect me in a weird way sometimes. Once, I took some MDMA and immediately crashed. I felt like absolute shit and didn't want to do anything. This was from the same batch that I had taken a few weeks before and had a great time. Drugs are weird sometimes, man.
LSD was the best thing I ever did for myself. You know how you can look at someone else's life and see how they're fucking up, even when they can't see it themselves? It gives you that perspective on your own life.
It actually begins to look more like Picasso, who used LSD.
The most effective method to using psychs for artistic purposes is doing what you can while on a trip, then cleaning it up/remaking it/using it as inspiration for something completely different, which is what Picasso would have been doing.
Surely you can see the artistic value in that.
Well, since MDMA essentially just releases a fuck ton of your dopamine and serotonin, if you were already spent doing it can make you run dry; normally that only happens the next day but it can happen.
>if you were already spent doing it can make you run dry
Yeah, I think that's what the problem was. I had been awake for like a full 24 hours before I took it. Now I always make sure that I'm fully rested before doing anything expensive like that.
Personally, when I'm stoned it helps me better understand song structure, and I have a better ear for each individual instrument. There use to be a time when it was difficult for me to hear the bass or drum patterns in a song. Not anymore.
I wonder how people see psychedelics there.
If they didn't even think about making them illegal until they felt like they had to do it for people from other countries, that might speak about people's stance about drugs by itself.
I once smoked pot & got so horny I ate my Grandmother's asshole.
Haha bro right like HOW would people even be CREATIVE without drugs its nuts Japan must be weed central haha
>Not psychedelics. But often imagery associated both with dreams and psychedelia is very similar.
Makes me wonder.
Some say it's because of natural psychoactive substances that we dream. Taking melatonin(which is tryptamine-based structure) tends to make people dream more vividly. Those mechanisms that cause people to hallucinate when triggered with psychedelic drugs must exist for some natural reason, some function.
>hey man wanna smoke with us after work?
>uh okay I guess
>Don't know shit so I puff about 5-6 times
>after a few minutes feel like I'm being attacked by king krimson
>they drop me off by my car and tell me wait a few minutes before driving home
>While driving I realize that I'm going to probably kill someone if I keep driving
>Pull over by a church went inside to pray and start walking through the woods at around 3 in the morning
>wake up the next day in my car go home then go to work
>HEYYYYYYYY MAN WANNA SMOKE AGAIN YOU WERE HILARIOUS!
>No I didn't really enjoy that
>PFFT you're no fun!
I have the worst fucking friends, but holy shit did that experience turn my fucking life around.
>after a few minutes feel like I'm being attacked by king krimson
That's one hell of a way to describe a panic attack.
I actually yelled out loud
>HOLY SHIT I UNDERSTAND KING KRIMSON
I was just waking in and out of consciousness and somehow noticing the same events happening. Like some sort of weird dejavu of something that never happened. I even started posing randomly while my friends were watching.
well that was after I found an 8 ball, that I thought was possessed by satan. I then realized that I needed to pee badly so after praying I ran out into the woods and did my duty. Then I thought I dropped my vita and ran around the woods looking for it, while it was in my car.
When I thought about it, it felt like I was explaining a comedy skit.
My first time I didn't get high at all. I don't know if it's because I don't smoke so I didn't inhale properly or if it's a regular thing, since I know a couple other people who didn't get high the first time.
well if it's anything like alcohol, yeah.
Fuck I just want to drink alcohol but not get drunk and not have hangovers. Why can't they make some sort of non-alcoholic beverage that doesn't make me feel like I'm buying non-alcoholic liquor
well I actually smoked 2 times before that but I didn't feel anything. my guess is that either my first two were catnip or this was just laced and my friends are complete assholes.
Shrooms were legal in Japan until 2002 and was sold in legal smartshops on the street.
>yfw the decline of Japanese games started happening around 2002
I had a buddy with me who made sure I inhaled properly, I remember him telling me that I needed to breathe it all the way in so it felt like it was actually inside my torso.
Weed to me just feels like getting drunk without the sluggishness and hangovers and all that.
Wanna talk devs that do shrooms? You talk Itoi, I refuse to believe he doesn't.
I think the moral to this thread is that drugs are awesome.
Yes, yes it is. I've had hallucinations like that most of my life, and I wouldn't be shocked if most people did as well. Though I have visual snow... that might play in.
I'll occasionally see odd lights, and cyclical patterns of geometric shapes. Once upon closing my eyes I saw a shifting extremely complex pattern, and wondered, is this there all the time and I just can't see it? Only happened twice however.
Anon, I think it's time you grow up and start asking the real question. What if it's in fact, YOU, who is abnormal, all along?
Get help. From you. It's all up to you. It is all, you.
There's a term for it, Hypnogogic Hallucination
it's similar to odd flashy lights that you see when you close your eyes and use your finder to put a little pressure on your eye.
The mind fills in the hallucination with what it wants to see, however these events are mostly uncommon unless running low on sleep or having sleep disorders.
If you experience some serious Hypnogogic Hallucinations like this frequently, you might want to see a sleep doctor to do a sleep study and find out how much real sleep you are actually getting per night