Why does this make Xbox owners mad? They payed for online the entire last generation while everyone else was playing the same games for free. Can't they just argue that the pay-for multiplayer is better since that's what they've been doing since the Xbox became a thing?
>>285872152 Xbox One/360 owners are only just realizing that Xbox live is bollocks? Jesus, you would think though that online capabilities are a feature you pay for in the game, it is like a second tax on the people that want to play multiplayer. If you want people to play your game online, either get rid of the subscription system all together or keep the service and make the games cheaper.
Microsoft is aware that they cannot compete against services like Steam. Third parties would refuse to move from things like Steam, because they'd be exposed to a smaller player base.
Basically, Microsoft is afraid of becoming the new EA Origin.
>>285873247 >But if the xbone exclusives are migrating to PC, there is no reason to get the console. Let's be realistic. Microsoft consoles never sold because of exclusives outside of Halo. The primary Xbox audience has two types of people: >I bought this console to play with friends who have this console. and >I have this console because it is de facto the best experience I can receive in today's world, especially considering I don't want to play on a computer attached to a small monitor and without a controller. I'm okay with my monthly online fees, because not only did Microsoft invent online gaming, but servers must be super expensive. That second group isn't really well educated when it comes to these decisions. Honestly, the average gamer never did have much reason to get the console. It's not super popular, and there isn't a full lineup of really awesome exclusive titles.
I think most of the anger comes from their audience being forcefully exposed by Microsoft themselves to the idea that it doesn't actually cost a billion dollars a month for Microsoft to allow gamers to play Call of Duty with other people across the internet.
>>285874697 Anon they fight for their life on OS market. With valve going with SteamOS which will lead to more attention being paid to gaming on linux(so drivers will improve and linux versions will be more common) and normalfags buying "it just werks unless it doesn't" machines, they can't allow themselves for mistakes if they want to stay here.
>THIS JUST IN: A BUNCH OF PEOPLE GOT MAD IN MY TWITTER THREAD
I mean, it's a start maybe, but why aren't they talking to some of the upset parties or, I don't know, making polls or petitions or trying to take it further then just fucking copy pasting a bunch of twitter comments and calling it an article?
>>285874416 >Im surprised at Microsoft tbh. Were they smart enough to realise that if they tried to make people pay for this shit on PC absolutely fucking nobody would go for it?
They would absolutely go for it if they threw up some worthwhile games and a discount and access to other services like netflick and "Free" games to make it seem worthwhile. I wonder how many pc users would be willing to pay the sub fee if they had halo, crackdown, scalebound, fable, forza etc etc behind that paywall and all those features. It's silly but I'm guessing it has a 50/50 shot of working. Previously they charged for gfwl but had no fucking worthwhile games so it flopped.
>>285875509 At least sony doesnt charge for their online while filling up your entire dashboard with ads. Especially ads for axe and other completely unrelated shit. i hate paying for online for sure but im far happier with my PS4's UI and online shit than i was with my 360 near the end.
>>285874403 Ok, this is an important question: If one account registered on the PS4 has PS+, do all other accounts of the system still have access to online games as well?
Because I share a PS4 with my roommate, and it's driving me fucking nuts that when Bloodborne finally comes out, I might not be able to play online on my own account because he's the one who has PS+ which means it's useless for me to buy it as well.
Calling it now. Microsoft is going to drop out of the console business all together. The xboner is underselling expectations and it just isn't worth their time and effort when they already have a dominating gaming platform with the PC.
>>285876584 >I'd imagine if I didn't have a PC i'd be pretty butthurt though
Why? If you got an xbone most of the time you can't afford a good pc. So the xbone was the best choice either way. The sub fee is there but I have not seen one shred of evidence that ANY of the xbones top tier games will be going to pc. I'm a main pc owner too and never got the hate on the xbone despite not owning one. PS4 users won't be getting the games either way so who does it hurt? PC users are in their own category and consoles in another.
After seriously backfiring in their faces, I don't think MS would have the guts to try to charge a premium for online play again with PC gamers. It sucks for XB1 users but I don't think there's any better way for them to re-approach the PC platform.
The most annoying part was they slipped it in after MS fucked up. If MS didn't fuck up we could have stopped sony from jamming that fee in. Probably not but at least it would have gotten more attention. The only thing keeping the ps4 from being the true best console. I'd also like to add that the ps2 and ps3 didn't fucking need to pay for online so it is obvious they are just looking to milk the consumers more. Unacceptable.
PC owners, just admit it. Seeing all of you flock to whatever insignificant "good" news to make yourselves seem like a master race is embarrassing. And frankly, these threads are essentially a comedy show for /v/ with how stupid they are. Just act like adults and admit your $1000 wastes of time for prettier graphics was just a mistake. The sooner you realize that, the sooner console owners would stop laughing at you.
People with consoles only tend to be poorer. I own a pc and a console as well. You're dealing with kids who can only afford to buy one thing. But that's another topic. My point is it being on pc doesn't hurt the console market since that's between the xbone and the ps4 and the type of people that can only get one system and thus defend their purchase.
>>285873083 >it's not logical >why do they get it FREE?
Are these fucks serious? It wasn't logical to begin with.You're paying for your own internet which should have been free to start. It's like I'm watching idiots trying to rationalize paying for air wondering why others get it free just because they've been doing it for years.
>>285880303 Microsoft doesn't have a single thing to force people going into Windows 10, all of their current software is shit, all of their franchises are shit, they can make Halo Office 2017 a Windows 10 exclusive game for all I care, they simply won't be able to compete with Steam. I hope they block Steam from being usable in Windows 10 so all worthwhile games will be ported to Linux.
>>285880683 I agree. However, you should not underestimate the casual/dudebro mindset. To them PC gaming is completely alien, it's console for everything except league of legends. I really doubt releasing the games on PC will result in these people not buying a Bone for the newest Halo or Madden or whatever.
>>285874403 I don't mind since you get "free" games so it pays for itself quite quickly. But what Microsoft is doing is Jewish as hell. The Xbone was already a disaster from the start. And now they're paying so ads can be plastered all over their dashboard.
Yes they were giving people the shaft with 8 being tablet centered and going all out with surface. It backfired pretty bad as they literally laughed in the face of desktop users and refused to return the start menu as the most notable thing. They also tried killing pc gaming with the original xbox. I honestly have no idea why they think they can still penetrate the market here. It's pretty much over.
Also I will say even if they have some degree of success with windows 10 or whatever, they will try doing some stupid shit like sub fees or always on again once they get the popularity and numbers.
>>285877141 That's not a stupid thing to say when you're in a situation where you get to choose who is going to rape your ass I don't console, but I'd go with the lube And have you seen xbox ads? It's disgusting
>>285881849 That's not what I'm saying. I'm saying that if it wasn't acceptable they wouldn't be selling in millions. Given that they are, it seems like this business practice is acceptable for the customer base.
Of course Microsoft can't make its OS restrict internet activity. Do people seriously not understand how PCs work? Are people now going to realize what a terrible, restrictive, violatin'-your-freedoms platform gaming consoles are?
They aren't. Dumping shitty games that didn't sell well on their xbone isn't getting back into pc gaming. It's like you faggots forgot all the damage MS did to pc gaming to where gabe literally took advantage and propped himself up with steam. If it wasn't for that we'd be taking a 50 dollar fee up the ass or paying full price on origin.
>>285882210 It's pretty fucking stupid how Microsoft ignored PC and let Valve and Steam pretty much serve as the hub of all PC gaming. The Xbox was a failed experiment. Sony and Nintendo have had the console market corned for a long time. PC could be Microsoft's chance to really shine. They're a software company for Chrissakes and now they have a ton of experience in vidya.
>>285883123 Maybe I'm just a retard Last gen they didn't have to pay for online, so it would make sense to make fun of the losers who do This gen their online is better, so it makes sense to make fun of the losers using the shittier online
>>285875028 you're an idiot windows is the OS for main stream society, steam OS will be niche and other unix/linux distros will remain niche in the consumer pc markets the deployment and reliance on microsoft windows as well as office is too high to back away from
i bought a 3 months ps+ subscription in september last year and by some miracle it still hasn't ran out or charged me for the extra months, not sure why i just hope they dont catch on to it and charge me for it.
>>285880683 >MS is not porting their One games to Windows, least not in the way you guys think. I mean, why would they? No one would buy a One if they did that. that is exactly what they are doing, Phil spencer fucking said at GDC "more first party ips are going to be on xbone and pc, buy it on xbone you have it on PC as well"
>>285883741 the business idea is to make their games more accessible to a bigger audience which means more sales for them, and at the same time by enforcing to be windows 10 only makes people upgrade/buy the operating system locking a person down to the system even more. Its really clever.
>>285883983 My roommates and I had cable internets through COX. We bought this package that was just HBO for an extra $10. They fucked up and charged us only $10 a month for both internet and HBO for the next six months
I have no idea how a mistake like that can happen, but damn I love it
>>285872152 They're furious because their retarded notion that monthly fees are needed and marketing would never lie to them is being challenged/crushed. PS4 and xbone faggots are among the best goyim. They pay monthly fees until they've paid a price higher than a better gaming machine while chanting in a drone like state: "(insert brand overlord drm machine here) is cheap. MUH exclusives! ____ is cheap! MUH Exclusives!". Exclusivity to these consoles means exclusivity to a bad choice. They honestly believe that supporting their lack of choice in gaming machine for these games is a good idea. They feel that these people should have complete control over them. These people are the type that are born to be slaves. They line up for their daily rapings and go back to chanting their overlords name. They are a pitiful bunch of goyim who can't see through the jewery to know change is needed. These consoles do NOT deserve to lord over these games anymore. These consoles do not deserve any of this but the drones are too many, they protect their brand overlord no matter how much they pay and how little they get out of it. You can slap them and scream at them but you'll never break their chants. Exclusivity feeds the ego that powers their lust for their brand overlord. Its disgusting really, they can't even see how their game has been limited and would have been better on a different, probably cheaper machine over time. There is no reason to support these fucking leaches. They aren't offering you jack shit other than imprisoned games you could set free by not supporting their jailers. You people can't understand anything past what your marketers tell you to. You can't understand that these companies can fall(xbox team shut down alternatively) if you simply stop allowing this.
>>285885820 >paying for free software >paying for VoIP that is free on PC >paying for multiplayer that is free on PC >paying for internet browser which is free on PC >paying money to play games on PC >paying for anything
>>285886078 I didn't buy a PS4 myself and stopped at PS3 because paying for another internet fee is retarded, but didn't PS4s sell a shitton? I remember seeing some flamewar threads on /v/ claiming that.
If they were true and PS4s sold a lot more than PS3s, then I'm pretty sure that they won't stop using that model any time soon.
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