Can we have a cyberpunk general?
Why are they so much better than steampunk games anyway?
>there's not really good games in either genre
Gonna bump with some nice images every now and then
I'll revive you one day
What does /v/ think the new Square Enix info will be?
>mfw it's Hitman
Better fucking be Deus Ex
Steampunk protagonists tend to be rich cunts who have nothing better to do with their time than make gollygee devices. Cyberpunk protagonists are hard-up and fighting against the rich cunts just to survive.
>Does it get cool?
is questioning everything considered cool?
it's a pretty boring anime, I guess it's not for everyone
I question the goodness and the cyberpunk-ness of these games.
But either way, I can only think of one steampunk game, period (Arcanum - maybe). Two if you count Bioshock Infinite.
Would you play a cyberpunk themed Jet set radio game?
Imagine all the music
The skates designs.
Trying to navigate through smog
sky scraper hopping
Recently playing Deus Ex HR DC on PS3
(only have a toaster PC, don't crucify me)and was wondering.
>Anyone know the major differences aside from the visuals? I assume the framerate is the same and I heard there's DLC?
>Also requesting some Cyberpunk Anime similar to Deus Ex
>Also Requesting Some Cyberpunk Movies similar to Deus Ex
>Also requesting some other games similar to Deus Ex (recently downloaded Shadow Run Returns, is it good?)
Help a brother out /v/
Glad to see this playlist is still around
you guys should post sick trax here to add to it, if you want.
Yea but they get deleted some times
I hate taking the chance.
1 out of 5 threads they're talking about something interesting
Most of the time its some tinfoil hat bullshit and a fun question or image gets ignored over some paranoid shitposter.
>Deb of the night
Jesus fuck that woman had the sweetest voice.
>Steampunk is optimistic and romantic sci fi
If it has 'punk' in the name it shouldn't be optimistic and romantic. If it is it's just steam powered sci-fi or fantasy with steam power. 'Punk' implies pessimism, or atleast class conflict.
What's up with all these Cyberpunk threads lately?
Check out this cinematic cyberpunk music I've made:
Like the other anon said, it's a cheesy send-up of futuristic 80s action movies, which grew from the same well as cyberpunk but aren't cyberpunk.
none, the DLC is pretty pointless and personally my least favorite part, it fills the story gap of when you go into the ship, and get out of the ship, but it's just so pointless, it reveals some stuff about the deus ex universe but holy shit is it pointless.
>things like deus ex
Any cyberpunk movie I guess, start with the basics, Bladerunner, Matrix, Johnny Mnemonic, Ghost in the shell (ONLY the 2 classic movies), I don't know, look for yourself
delete it RIGHT NOW
get Shadowrun Dragonfall directors cut instead. And if you really like that, then get Returns.
Dragonfall director's cut is objectively better.
I wish so too! being a loli would be great!
I guess MGS4 is kinda on the verge of this whole classic dystopian cyberpunk theme.
But gladly, Solid Snake has prevented it all by uploading the virus and destroying the AI cluster. Thank you, Snake.
I don't want to have this shitstorm again.
Not much moreso than the one we live in.
>dominated by computer technology
Computers need to be omnipresent, not secretly running the world.
This is completely wrong. Punks and hippies have similar ideals. Not 100% but there are similarities. Degradation can also be optimistic since something new can and will be born. There is no reason to not acknowledge both sides.
Just don't, everybody has seen these already and they are 90% useless.
Man, screw this new Deus Ex being planned, they should just remake the original with new technology and less ugliness.
Or better yet, a non-crappy sequel to the original that actually progresses the story. That'd be nice.
The discussion is whether MGS4 is actually cyberpunk as defined by what is stated above
Snatcher is widely regarded as very cyberpunk, but does not follow the "official" meaning of the word.
Therefore, the description above is false, and doesn't mean MGS4 is actually cyberpunk
I like cyberpunk and all, but Shadowrun Returns/Dragonfall really put me off with its magic, fantasy races and shitty art style. Satellite Reign looks promising, but too bad it doesn't really have any rpg element to it.
That's still 10% useful.
It's hard to do a sequel to the first game for the sheer fact you've got to set in stone what JC's choice was. IW tried to avoid that by making all three endings canon with disastrous results.
>now go buy vampire: the masquerade - bloodlines
What that anon posted is not the popular conception of cyberpunk. An ai ruling governments and people rising up against it is cyberpunk, it's not as richly so like snatcher because it's blade runner with even more cyberpunk but it's there.
What it's like to stand around revving your actuators while the more advanced units complete the mission? No, thanks.
It's a buggy incomplete piece of shit. People like it for its setting and its confusing interface and design. It's a bit of a trip, but once you know the game in and out the illusion slips away and it stops being as good. Definitely worth the dollar though. One day I hope they release their homebrew tabletop RPG in the setting.
>giving money that the former studio Troika members will never receive
I'd rather burn away money on Kickstarter
It's good, but also a buggy incomplete piece of shit.
If Paul, JC and Simons were the only people capable of handling nano augmentation why were the old fashioned mechs so afraid of being phased out?
Bugs have largely been fixed, I guess. But the game is still terribly unpolished and you'll see odd things like people falling over dead in the temple because their pathfinding bugged out.
As for incomplete, the game is terribly short on content. In order to get the true ending you have to replay its scant map selection three different times. Unfortunately, only a few of the levels have branching Deus Ex-like objectives. The stealth system is more or less a nonentity.
I could go on about the game's lack of polish but I don't want to give anyone the idea that it's not worth playing.
Even slavs like the guys behind STALKER were able to cobble together a better localization than the shit that EYE got.
AI shits itself on a regular basis, quests won't update, all that jazz.
Apart from that, the later levels are mostly empty and feel like someone just threw in a few random NPCs and "fetch XYZ"/"kill X number of XYZ" quests.
It's more a source mod than full-price game, but I still had lotsafun.
Weren't they working on cloning or genetic modification or some shit using them as a base, so that more could be made?
Also I don't think it was common knowledge that only they were compatible with it, was it?
Cyberpunk games are cool, story for most of them are alright, I am a bigger fan of all the pretty lights and city scapes and what not.
bloom asidethat bright neon digital gorgeous fucking playground
Fair enough on those parts.
The empty feeling maps can be solved by turning it up to invasion and I've never seen a quest fail to trigger in my heinous amount of playtime.
Poor mans Blacklight with
the best OST on the planet
>commission a GOAT OST
>realize that it will get in the way in-game
SNES Shadowrun is only GOAT tier for nostalgia. It belongs in good, along with Genesis Shadowrun and I Have No Mouth and I Must Scream. Neither IHNMaIMS nor Blood Dragon are cyberpunk. That said, sweet list.
Awwww yeah. Neotokyo is still my favourite incarnation of the cyberpunk aesthetic, even if the modelling is almost a little dated at this point.
You can't compare it to Blacklight at all. I'm not exaggerating when I say Blacklight's gunplay is a 1:1 COD clone. If you like that sort of thing that's up to you, but I found it tremendously unfulfilling, neat background props and cool helmets and robosuits aside.
I also didn't like how the teams were just A and B and whichever side you were on, you were blue and the enemies orange. A far cry from NSF/Jinrai.
I love hearing about stupid ass development decisions like that.
The best content always gets cut
Dont think so. It was dying last time I played and that was some time last year.
I think its more alive on the ps4
Loved the customization too. lots of wasted concepts in that game. I'll miss the Regulator. It won me a lot of games at my shitty level
Who else here put all their hype, hopes and dreams into Cyberpunk 2077.
I still haven't heard much about the game since the few trailers, but I'm hoping we'll at least get character customization for both genders so I can play as Deckard and Motoko.
Shit not to mention full blown mod tools.
So someone can mod in, all the essentials
I'm looking forward to it, but I don't have particularly high hopes after seeing that silly cop helmet in the trailer. I want it to be good, and I trust CDPR to come up with an immersive world and plenty of intrigue to fill it out, but I don't think it's quite the sort of thing I'm looking for in cyberpunk. Mostly the leopard print scares me off.
What CD Projekt get wrong or do incorrectly or just plain leave out can be fixed with mods.
But I still have a lot of faith in them, at the least I hope they let us mod it fully, maybe even come with a mod/map editor so it can become the ultimate cyberpunk RPG.
>Who else here put all their hype, hopes and dreams into Cyberpunk 2077.
Really hoping I dont die before I get to play it
Exploration, hacking, espionage, stealth, or just saying fuck it and wandering around as a loner in the city or the outskirts of the desert
Eh, mods aren't going to have high-fidelity character models, voice acting, whatever. I'm not really expecting mods to be much of the experience besides adding more character customization options.
Paul and JC are first in a (potentially) very long line of test tube babies. Why deal with making existing meat adapt when you can grow the perfect cut? The mechs know obsolescence is coming for them.
>Ghost in the shell (ONLY the 2 classic movies)
But the 2nd movie isn't that good and the TV series is fantastic.
You'd be surprised what a dedicated team of modders can do given time and the proper basic tools.
But you're right I hope that CD Projekt get it all right off the bat, and mods can just be things like clothing, vehicles, weapons, etc.
But if this game comes out and its fucking awesome and all the hype pays off and CDPR release a dev kit/mod editor or just make it not impossible to mod then we could see a cyberpunk RPG that no other company or dev can ever top.
Anyone else hyped for VA-11 HALL-A?
Name the laws given by the patriots.
You can have a ruler with no laws faggot.
It was a hostile take over, the world is overrun with whoever controls the most PMCs with the Patriots running the show behind the smoke screen.
Cyberpunk 101 right there nigger.
>Not much moreso than the one we live in.
>More civil warriors than goverment officials
>War Economy runs the whole world
>Patriots control everything
Not even close
>Computers need to be omnipresent, not secretly running the world.
Who fucking says?
MGS4 is cyberpunk faggots
After CDPR made such a huge fuss over a single piece of concept art followed by one of the most deafening silences in gaming that has gone on for years, I have no reason to believe they have anything good in the works.
>we'll finish it by the end of 2015 promise
>heh guys check out our PAX demo lol
>tfw no sukeban gf
shut up lain you don't know shit
Dreamweb is a short and sweet adventure game. The music is amazing; I have yet to find another game that has captured the ambient magic this has.
Don't worry anon, I'm sure CDPR realize they have
a personal responsibilityto deliver one kick-fucking ass cyberpunk RPG as good as they said it would be.
>Name the laws given by the patriots.
Every single extant law in real life, because the Patriots are supposed to be pulling the strings behind all major world powers.
>the world is overrun with whoever controls the most PMCs
Absolutely 100% false. The major PMCs are all operating under contract to local authorities and are not capable of exerting political power.
Cybermage was a very flawed game with a very comic book approach to cyberpunk. Expect 90's weapons and level design (if you're CEO of an evil megacorp, you keep your office in a dungeon, behind a maze, with three keys). The music engine is busted -- you won't hear most of it unless you leave the game playing for hours. It also has lots of TECHNOLOGY things that were way ahead of the curve at the time (NPCs in FPS, hub world, vehicles). Finally, hardlocks, lots of them (enjoy your game crashing).
The game deserves a sequel despite being such a hot mess.
Quarantine takes cyberpunk and straps it to a vehicular combat game. The game didn't see very well due its hefty system requirements at the time. Don't let the second episode throw you for a loop, the game is straight cyber-Detroit.
Angel Devoid captures much of the cyberpunk magic in your typical 90's FMV shitventure game, provided you can get the damn thing to run.
Despite it being made by Crapstone, it was one of their better works. This one is only semi-cyberpunk.
A different take on cyberpunk: Chronomaster commits many of the sins that killed the adventure genre, but takes you on an adventure through people's personal worlds.
The Terminator games got a ton of releases and sequels in the 90's. Today, nobody remembers anything about it. A playable novelty.
Despite being a buggy piece of garbage of code, it has a ton of charm. Just get a copy of the CD version and play it in DOSBOX or whatever.
-Never fire Prisma and move forward at the at the same time (instant crash)
-You can game the monster/rebel battle by saving/loading. You can use this to give you all the money you need.
-Use the money abuse to stock up on huge amounts of healing and repair items. Put a block on the buy key and walk away for 20 minutes. (Game won't crash if you're buying in the city)
-Also, save often.
War Inc lets you BE the evil megacorp.
GITS fights are too messy to make for a proper vidya brawler.
Fuck yeah I would.
A good proper GITS game is my dream game too.
Robot City is a different flavor of cyberpunk. Instead of your usual offerings, you are trapped in the namesake under investigation for a murder you didn't commit. You deal with robots instead of people. Put your friend together in the apartment before stepping out.
I remember being excited reading about this Terminator game that was basically Battlefield: Terminator
I played the demo once or twice, it turned out to be really shit and I never remembered it till this moment now.
cyberpunk MMO when
i'm so sick of fantasy horseshit oh my god just give me one modern online game where i can hang out with people in that kind of setting
>Every single extant law in real life, because the Patriots are supposed to be pulling the strings behind all major world powers.
That's not a fucking law faggot.
It's a lawless subculture with rulers like pretty much every fucking cyberpunk media.
>Ghost in the Shell
>Fucking police force
>fucking police force
>fucking police force
>Absolutely 100% false. The major PMCs are all operating under contract to local authorities and are not capable of exerting political power.
Current authorities? Since when is Liquid Ocelot a 'current authority'? All PMCs are is hired guns, literal fucking mercenaries.
You don't know shit
MGS4 has everything that makes it cyberpunk
>low life (war economy, no government, war is a way of life)
>b-but Muh Neon lights and Trench Coats!
Project Snowblind is the Deus Ex spinoff that isn't. Expect a lot of "cinematic presentation" that doesn't really work since the tech at the time can't really make it work.
Who knew that the dystopian future was so bloomy?
Eh, I hope the game is good without mods (back in my computer days, mods for most games that weren't Bethesda were merely distractions and even Skyrim mods are arguably distractions) due to me most likely getting it for consoles unless I upgrade my toaster (I use it primarily to play PC exclusives) which I doubt.
Still, hope the mods scene is good for the PCfriends that do get it for PC I just hope CDPR don't rely on it.
Also, Cyberpunk GTA when?
People praising or shiting on EYE are retarded. It's not a second coming of Christ but it's fun for what it is. Yeah, it's extremally rough around the edges and sometimes pretty retarded, but it was made by bunch of Frenchfags who couldn't even afford a proper translation, so what did you expected? I'd say that it's a mirracle that there is so much fun burried under all that shit.
I know because I put 120 hours into it.
Nightlong nails the cyberpunk atmosphere. Then it proceeds to commit every adventure game sin ever conceived. Play it with a guide, half the puzzles are pure bullshit.
i really like the hud though
That's been my wish for a long, long time.
GTA games are always set in modern day or 70-80's
I want just once a GTA set in 2020 or so, near future but also not too far away so there's a lot to play with in terms of tech, history, setting, vehicles and everything else.
Slave Zero provide a bit of an azn spin on cyberpunk. Shame this game never got a sequel; Infogrames hates money.
>shittest possible setting.
Yeah I gotta agree with you on that, when I think cyberpunk I don't really think LA.
But then I do think that they could make it work, and the main city and urban place will feel like GITS/Blade Runner/cyberpunk and the outskirts, the wastelands mightl really feel like Mad Max or so.
And Mad Max Road Warrior with cyberpunk elements, high technology in wasteland settings sounds like it might be really fun.
So maybe they actually chose the best setting for what they're doing.
Cyberpunk isn't tied down to anyone platform.
99% of shitposting is platform wars and most cyberpunk games are on consoles/PC (and the few on PC are playable by almost anyone with a functioning PC anyway).
Hence the reduced shitflinging.
It's just a damn cool genre
WC: Privateer captured the cyberpunk feel pretty well outside of the lack of cyborgs.
Okay, that's it. I'm all out.
FOTM, is that the 90's DOS collection is a treasure trove if you like cyberpunk. Just find an abandonware archive and start digging.
Anarchy Online is the only one I can think of and that has been dead for a while (released 2000/2001).
Are there any good scans for Blame? All I could find were tiny ones with a French -> English translation that were read left to right, and I ended up not really getting into it.
Mostly because of the highly episodic nature, but maybe better scans for better eyecandy could help. I did enjoy Aria despite the lack of a real overarching plot, after all.
A forgotten 2D brawler made by corean stealth developer Phantagram. It was an early showcase for gaming in Windows 95 just at the time when 2D was becoming old hat in place of the awfulness that was early 3D.
>unpunished police brutality at an all time high despite clear video evidence and public uproar
>congress in favor of controlling the internet
>the patriot act
>practically all food supplies come from 1 or 2 corporations
>It's a lawless subculture
Do you even know what this means? It doesn't mean "nobody controls the world". The laws are enforced by police, backed up by PMC muscle where need be.
>Since when is Liquid Ocelot a 'current authority'? All PMCs are is hired guns, literal fucking mercenaries.
Guns hired LAWFULLY, by LOCAL GOVERNMENTS.
You don't know shit about what "low life" means, it means criminals, poverty, the street, drug addicts, not "things are unhappy".
MGS4 has little to none of this. PMCs drive the war economy, yes, but they do not undertake wars of their own, they are just hired soldiers there to fight existing ones.
I don't want a Blade Runner 2. I don't want to live in a world where the Deckurd is areplicunt shit is canon. Ridley Scott is a senile retard.
>The laws are enforced by police, backed up by PMC muscle where need be.
Which is exactly what happens in MGS4, case and point Europe, Act 3
>Guns hired LAWFULLY, by LOCAL GOVERNMENTS.
Fuck no, are you retarded? Do you think Liquid Ocelot had a fucking permit to hire PMCs?
> is a non-state organization composed of professional soldiers, which provides various military services in exchange for monetary or material compensation. PMCs consisting of a singular member or individual members of a PMC are
>Cyberpunk is a science fiction genre in which the future world is portrayed as one in which society is largely controlled by computers, at the expense of daily life and social order.
>Cyberpunk plots often center on a conflict among artificial intelligences, and megacorporations, and tend to be set in a future Earth
>Mega corporations = PMCs/Fox/Patriots
>Classic cyberpunk characters were marginalized, alienated loners who lived on the edge of society in generally dystopic futures where daily life was impacted by rapid technological change, an ubiquitous datasphere of computerized information, and invasive modification of the human body.
>Modifcations of human body = Nanomachines
>Loners = Snake
Down to perfection.
MGS4 is cyberpunk, stay mad fuckboi
Even if you compare the two on the most shallow level possible (aesthetics) Cyberpunk is STILL much better. On cool factor alone it's superior to steamshit.
High technology will always be better than fantasy/steampunk.
oh look /v/ truly have shit-tier taste
all im seeing is games without the cyberpunk element into play but rather a pure background thing
>muh never comming out tittles
>muh neo tokyo
>>289522293 incomplete outdated list and why is Dystopia not on it?
Deckard is a replicant, he dreams of unicorns and the origami making jap dude leaves him an origami unicorn, how did he know Deckard dreams of unicorns unless he read it in a file somewhere? In the film, the replicants are obsessed with old photos and Deckard has a shit load of them in his apartment.
Ridley Scott has a made a lot of beautiful films but none of them have had any substance apart from Blade Runner and the Dualists.
The idea of doing a sequel to Blade Runner makes as much sense as doing a new Indiana Jones movie with aliens, monkeys, snake ropes, super ants and Cate Blanchet doing a Borat Impersonation. Wait..
>Which is exactly what happens in MGS4, case and point Europe, Act 3
Yes, which is under martial law because of dissident groups like Big Mama's. But the visual tone of the place is basically WWII smoky streets and swarthy resistance fighters. It's not even remotely cyberpunk as far as aesthetics go and there IS NO CHAOTIC UNDERGROUND, just soldiers and resistance men.
>Fuck no, are you retarded? Do you think Liquid Ocelot had a fucking permit to hire PMCs?
Yes? Every single place where PMCs (legitimatey) operate in MGS4, they are there at the express request of local governments who can't fight insurgents on their own. They are outside contractors to states who have no legal backing to fight on their own. Rising goes into further detail on this and points out that PMCs like Desperado become criminal organizations if they aren't operating with the express request of legitimate authorities.
>at the expense of daily life and social order
That's the key phrase. Daily life and social order in the West is absolutely the same as it is today, even moreso with "police militarization" becoming a hot topic in Western media. You only ever visit the war-torn shitholes in MGS4, which are funnily enough war-torn shitholes today as well. It's great that you've latched onto this one phrase because it's the exact source of our disagreement. The Patriots have not undermined social order, they have STRENGTHENED it by carefully controlling institutions and implementing the war economy. MGS loves its bleeding-edge tech but for the most part it's IMPLEMENTED ON THE BATTLEFIELD. Everyday life is exactly the same: civilians don't even have the codec system.
Depends on who you plan to talk to with it. Do you want to work in China? Learn Mandarin. Do you want to work in Hong Kong? First off, good luck, and then learn Cantonese.
Steampunk is just style for the sake of it. Just take high fantasy magic, and strap on gears, loose wires, pipes, and brass.
Cyberpunk is a logical conclusion of technology, people, and government of the 80's. Home computing was about to blossom for the first time in history. Baby boomers were getting their first taste of political power over a gov't they were not fond over. Most importantly, people realized that the world isn't a nice place outside of their cozy, green suburb.
here's part of a neo 80s playlist i still had saved. Might be a few different songs from that one.
Am I the only one who thought that was Zack Braff in the thumbnail
Exactly, he is emotionally stunted because he is a replicant.
Any SJWs want to whine about how all the guys in Blade Runner get killed peacefully while the women get offed in screaming bloody messes?
>Cyberpunk is just style for the sake of it. Just take high fantasy magic, and strap on wires, black leather, mirrorshades, trenchcoats, and mohawks.
>Steampunk is a logical conclusion of technology, people, and government of the Victorian era. Industrialization was about to blossom for the first time in history. The bourgeois were getting their first taste of political power over a gov't they were not fond over. Most importantly, people realized that the world isn't a nice place outside of their cozy, green farm.
>Depends on who you plan to talk to with it. Do you want to work in China? Learn Mandarin. Do you want to work in Hong Kong? First off, good luck, and then learn Cantonese.
I need material for a book in the work and China's big cities are great for this.
>>Cyberpunk is just style for the sake of it. Just take high fantasy magic
Even Tyrell, you don't see his head get squiched, but Zhora flies through several windows and ends up a bloody pulp while priss gets shot in the belly and screams and flails like a maniac.
Usually when someone says that there is always that argument about what Steam Punk actually is and is not.
I have no clue what that actually means. Explain this to me you faggots.
Hold on, I need to jack in from my local terminal and fax you my reply because smartphones don't exist in cyberpunk.
What I'm getting at is that this sort of elitism is retarded and pointless. What everyone should want is GOOD steampunk and GOOD cyberpunk. They can both be trash.
Something of note is that Neuromancer doesn't actually have much at all of the punks vs. corps class warfare that many people in these threads think is a defining element of the genre. You've got the Panther Moderns, who're almost more like a violent art collective than a street gang, and that's about it. Case and his crew aren't interested in bringing down megacorporations, aren't interested in fighting the Man: they just live in and move in a world where these things are truths, and they just want to get by and get rich if possible.
Dieselpunk >> Cyberpunk > Punk >>> Steampunk >>>>>>>>>>> Raypunk
>shadowrun; hongkong is going to take another year minimum
Assuming you're not shitposting here I agree. I love the Diesel theme. A shame we'll never get shit good in its honor so Cyber is all i'll settle for
I hope spacepunk stays unrecognized. that tumblr tier fag shit is a waste of image space.
As if steampunk had a monopoly on stupid unfeasible designs. Again, what we both want is GOOD cyberpunk and steampunk. Neither genre is inherently above the other, they're just tools that can be used well or used poorly.
>Steampunk is a logical conclusion of technology, people, and government of the Victorian era. Industrialization was about to blossom for the first time in history.
The Victorian era came half a century after the start of the industrial revolution, shit for brains.
>The bourgeois were getting their first taste of political power over a gov't they were not fond over. Most importantly, people realized that the world isn't a nice place outside of their cozy, green farm.
Cyberpunk is consistently less trash and more relevant than steampunk could ever hope to be. Steampunk is fucking fedora renfaire tier
I had this friend who used to wear a bowler hat because he wanted to "look classy" and always tried to argue it was completely different from wearing a fedora. You know which genre he preferred? Steampunk.
And smartphones not existing in cyberpunk is just a stupid thing to say, it's futuristic, there's no reason a cyberpunk universe couldn't have smartphones or something similar
so you guys think deus ex 4 will be revealed on monday on the square enix twitch stream?
>Yes, which is under martial law
Get me a source. Fuck it, you're pulling shit out of your ass. Get me a source.
>But the visual tone of the place
Stopped reading this paragraph. Cyberpunk isn't an aesthetic faggot.
>Yes? Every single place where PMCs (legitimatey)
PMCs are nothing more than hired guns. Period.
>You only ever visit the war-torn shitholes in MGS4, which are funnily enough war-torn shitholes today as wel
Who said war torn? The quote was 'at the expense of daily life and social order' which is 100% identical to what is happening in Europe with the socail curfews, checkpoints and what not.
>Everyday life is exactly the same: civilians don't even have the codec system.
Last time I checked curfews and checkpoints weren't happening in my home m8 and the economy wasn't fueled by wars.
>In 2014, the world is in chaos
>world in chaos
>there's the daily life expense
Not Afghanistan, but the 'world'
>This fuels the need for private military companies, the five largest
>theirs the mega corps
Throw in the Nanomachines, there's your augments. Metal Gears and high end gadgets, there's your high tech. Patriots and there's your dominating AI / computer technology (products of technology highly influencing the world).
Literally everything is there, you're arguing against semantics and bullshit aesthetics like a scrub :^)
>hating on spider tanks in a setting where they actually make sense and are used to great effect
>Why are they so much better than steampunk games anyway?
There are probably about 10 different steampunk games that have been made and about 3 of them are good. There have been at least 100 cyberpunk games that have been made and probably about 20 are good.
I'd say that the ratio for quality is better for steampunk.
>And smartphones not existing in cyberpunk is just a stupid thing to say, it's futuristic, there's no reason a cyberpunk universe couldn't have smartphones or something similar
It goes entirely against the aesthetic.
Smartphones are symbols of both wealth and convenience, both of which clash with cyberpunk on a fairly deep level.
Both of you should fuck and leave
Why is it always two of you stubborn jackasses discussing this boring shit every thread? The amount of text you two posts basically says you WONT EVER come to an agreement so whats the fucking point in arguing?
You never post cool images either so its truly just wasted bumps.
Neuromancer didn't have much with corps directly but the presence was felt and the class gap between the rich and poor was always humming in the background.
Remember when Case had to be told to eat his damn steak because it wasn't just the vat grown shit poor people have to eat? Throughout the book at a glance you can tell someone's status via how well augmented they were, even with cosmetic mods like artificial muscle. Or hell, just if their vat grown biceps were custom made or mass produced.
I believe the old guy was more heavily involved in fighting corps/for them but my memory is staticy. His weirdass background makes my head spin
>The Victorian era came half a century after the start of the industrial revolution, shit for brains.
You got me. Whoops. In any case, steampunk covers a fairly diverse range of periods and locales, just like cyberpunk can exist outside of rainy downtown cores and can incorporate different levels of technology as well. See the advances in wet drive tech between Neuromancer and Mona Lisa Overdrive, for example.
If we were to judge entire genres by the actions of a handful of idiots we'd also have to throw out cyberpunk on account of those cringeworthy cybergoths and the people who stick RFID chips under their skin.
The scorpion tank is very obviously designed to look like a giant scorpion, as the Jigabachi is obviously designed to look like a giant wasp. It doesn't "actually make sense" just because it works out on screen. By that logic you could say mobile suits are perfectly feasible because they're used to great effect in Gundam.
>>Steampunk is a logical conclusion of technology of the Victorian era
The logical conclusion was what actual technology was created after that period. Steampunk is the illogical conclusion.
Yeah, certainly. But it was more of a background element, an unquestioned fact of life. It just confuses me when people act like it has to be mohawks versus cops in order to qualify for cyberpunk for some reason.
You're right, I'm sorry. It just makes my blood boil how he picks the least relevant definition for the words he uses. Also how he picks a random "save the world" marketing blurb from the back of the box to justify his argument that social order is in decline.
Just stating that MGS4 is objectively cyberpunk m8
You guys arent posting many prosthetic's tonight.
And the logical conclusion of the 80s was the 90s, 00s, and 10s. Cyberpunk is the illogical conclusion to those as well, see? Both genres to an extent misrepresent reality in order to make a point about our reality.
And yet equally douchey and cringeworthy for exactly the same reasons
>trying to pull off the same style as a famous person who pulled it off well
>call it "classy" and mutter something about swagfags
>tip bowler/fedora/tophat/whatever cringey oldtimey hat you chose
there is no fedora rationalization I've never heard come from a bowler or tophat as well. they're the same people trying to distinguish themselves from fedora because that happens to be the one that got meme'd
>least relevant definition for the words he uses.
Says who? I've used multiple sources and I literally choose the first line they use when describing cyberpunk and coincidentally they all coincide with MGS4s themes.
You haven't provided a single source or decent argument that isn't
>B-BUT MUH AESTHETIC
>Also how he picks a random "save the world" marketing blurb from the back of the box
It's the MGS4 wiki lmfao. Are you even trying to deny the MGS4s fucked up World? Didn't you here Snakes speech at the start of the game? Did you even fucking play the game?
The Dreamfall games are a mix. Theres one storyline in a cyberpunk future, another storyline in a fantasy setting.
>It just confuses me when people act like it has to be mohawks versus cops in order to qualify for cyberpunk for some reason
Shadowrun and Cyberpunk 2020 are the worst things to happen to cyberpunk
problem is the game is not in anyway good
and also full of retarded left wing politics (nothing against liberals, but the devs just try way too hard)
also the cyberpunk part is so shallow and full of the most boring lame cyberpunk tropes
Because in the 80's everyone expected to get those cool high tech futures we see around the early 2000's. Its still the same stupid shit with better t.v's and phones shittier pop culture and baggier pants. Everyone's lost hope.
>And the logical conclusion of the 80s was the 90s, 00s, and 10s. Cyberpunk is the illogical conclusion to those as well, see?
I don't understand, are you saying cyberpunk settings are supposed to be representative of the 1980s and the few decades after? The aesthetic of cyberpunk always gave me the impression that the setting was further into the future.
>confusing aesthetic for ethos
you could do cyberpunk with smartphones as long as use by commoners was tightly controlled and limited compared to what the oppressive corporate/political structure has access to
I'll just say this, because it just occurred to me and I think it's more relevant to the heart of our disagreement. In the interests of a peaceful thread, I'll let it slide from here on out.
The thing is that MGS4 is focused on the battlefield. Snake's opening speech is "War has changed". All the technological innovations (besides the Patriot AIs) dominate the battlefield. Augmentations are used primarily in military roles. PMC activity is concentrated in third-world warzones (and Eastern Europe for some reason). Snake's speech isn't about war taking over the world, it's about corporations taking over war, depriving it of any real meaning, turning it into a routine meatgrinder without any real horror to it. If you've ever watched Patlabor 2, you'll find a similar contemplation: that people in first-world countries become divorced from war, separated from it through the carefully-controlled media. What I'm getting at here is that MGS4 is not about the civilian life. It's about soldiers and warfare, becoming part of the social order. Cyberpunk works on the other hand focus on the impact of technology on the way ordinary people live their lives, degrade the power of the nation-state in the public consciousness, create new and lawless zones in traditionally stable countries.
I just looked it up incidentally and the unnamed Eastern European country in Act 3 is apparently under PMC occupation because the government is building an unpopular pipeline for which security was contracted out to PMCs. PMCs were then used to quell rioting and from there became responsible for upholding martial law in the area. They did not invade Eastern Europe on their own initiative and they are there to uphold the wishes of the local government.
>create new and lawless zones in traditionally stable countries.
Damn, Europe is in for a hell of a lot of cyberpunk it seems then in the future, only no augmentations allowed that's
Depends on who you ask. If you hang out in these threads you'll see some overlap between cyberpunk settings and "neo-80s" aesthetic, because cyberpunk was born in the 80s and cyberpunk works bear the imprint of 80s fashion.
This is a piece of concept art from Cyberpunk 2077. Note the leopard-print outfit and retro-style haircut.
Sharia zones in Europe would be a hell of a cyberpunk thing, come to think of it. I think a big cyberpunk theme is erosion of the centralized nation-state, traditionally because of Asian dominance, but multicultural patchworks serve the same role, don't you think?
To be clear, the idea of religious fundamentalism taking hold in Europe scares me.
>Cyberpunk works on the other hand focus on the impact of technology on the way ordinary people live their lives
That's your definition.
Cyberpunk by definition is simply a world in which high tech has caused life to deteriorate and it usually takes place in the near future (not 100+ years later).
Which is exactly what MGS4 is.
Yup, without even realizing it, multiculturalism seems poised on setting us towards a cyberpunk like future, as nations struggle on the sheer toil of immigration without quota, and not to mention its majorly african/muslim refugees and asylum seekers.
Setting up the conditions for future social poverty and depravity despite general rise and increase in technology. The nordic nations- primarily Sweden will sooner or later come to terms with their hubris for thinking that they could conceivably import so many immigrants yearly into countries with such completely different race, traditions, society and put 90% of them on welfare keeping them dependent on the state.
When the very conditions and quality of life that gave rise to the bloated welfare state in Sweden reach their limit, and the welfare system bursts, I think we're gonna see some serious shit going down.
This could all still change but for now it seems like that's the direction it's all headed in. And then it's gonna get really cyberpunk up in the north.
>only no augmentations allowed that's
I know you're joking around but in all seriousness if we ever reach the stage of commercialised augs you can bet there'll be a bunch of muslim teens running around with concealable augs absolutely fucking everywhere
the number of them I know who drink and eat shit they shouldn't behind their parents' and religious kin's backs despite not being "allowed" to is staggering
Not even close to a valid comparison. People had severe technophobia during the industrial revolution. They worried that machines would consume them or become sentient and take over.
>When the very conditions and quality of life that gave rise to the bloated welfare state in Sweden reach their limit, and the welfare system bursts
And that's why the right block's even bigger on immigration that the commie faggots. No welfare state, no left wing votes.
They've Chinks and Indians, we've niggers and muslims. Though they do have the French so I guess it should be about even.
Y'know I really hope snake didn't commit suicide.
If anything I'd like to think he lived out the rest of his life as a Retiree in the Florida Keys.
Or maybe the wintry north of Anchorage Alaska
What about a cyberpunk city builder with a system like this
The thing is, the Chinese and Indian immigrants in Canada tend to be quite well-off, educated, or both. That's the main thing, economic stress. Cultures will figure a way out.
Embedding technology into human bodies never happened.
Contemporary tech ran in a direction that produces complex multitasking objects more akin to Star Trek than Blade Runner.
Overlaps in many technologies have consolidated.
The merger of government and business hasn't yet gone full fascism. In fact, technology is being used against modern gov't as police as smartphone cams are being used against police.
Mostly, it is the embedded technology.
>The merger of government and business hasn't yet gone full fascism. In fact, technology is being used against modern gov't as police as smartphone cams are being used against police.
That sounds pretty cyberpunk actually.
it's just a matter of time
people shitting themselves about sharia zones and all that bullshit aside, they're still a minority
and they're a minority whose kids are born and raised in this country and who look to the decadence we brits occupy ourselves with in order to cope with the crushing ordeal of living in this fucking country and think to themselves "well how comes they get all that and all we get is some strict-ass religion"
the opiate of the masses ain't got shit on actual opiates, so to speak
You got me there.
I meant in the 80's sense of embedding desktop computers into people.
clearly you've misread me somehow
all I'm saying is that these kids see what the rest of the country does with their time and realise it's a lot more fun than what they're doing, believe me, I see it every fucking day of my life
I'm not attempting making anywhere near as pretentious a statement as you seem to think
>get oni for christmas from a friend
>disk was scratched to hell but loved playing the game when it worked
>someone broke in and stole my ps2 along with the game
i liked it
I've been playing that and pillars of eternity
Wish I could have satellite reign with a long form campaign like pillars... Though enough of that is just because satellite reign needs more content than early access has right now
E.Y.E is, above all else, polarizing. It's one of those games about which it's impossible to be ambivalent. I, personally, love it, but I've seen a lot of people that can't stand it.
yeah but its an LA thats entirely urbanized and big city and mega towers and shit, Cyberpunk 2020 and 2077 seem like they'll have more outskirts and wastes in addition to the city which I'm not saying is a bad thing now
i love this. it's a shame some people don't have the ability to truly appreciate the amazing changes we are currently living in in our generation.
not twenty years ago the internet was only just starting to gain momentum in the mainstream. now its so ingrained into our every day lives its completely taken for granted. like here on 4chan i'm able to talk about whatever i want with people from all over the world.
even the night sky is bright orange from the city lights, something unheard of until maybe 100 years ago.
i really regret i won't be able to see a lot of the amazing things we will do in the future but i'm trying to at least appreciate the unique moments of the time we are in now.