Since yesterday's thread was such a success let's do another!
Let's talk about Eve and why you should start playing right about now.
The game recently got a new tutorial system called Opportunities which is apparently awesome. There are also several big alliances right now looking for new players, two of which never openly recruited newbies before.
This is the first time a freshly created character has the option of joining 4 or 5 big, established organizations with handholding in every flavor.
Here are a few of those:
Phoebe Free Republic:
I'm a recruiter for KarmaFleet. If you're into less of a "hugbox" style of player group you should check us out or give Pandemic Horde a shot.
The game has been rapidly changing and improving in the last few month and another change to how systems are claimed is on the horizon promising to be a huge upset. Unless you're a total shitler alliances are clamoring for more members in preparation for what's to come.
Don't mind the reddit links. With the exception of Brave Newbies all of the organizations run internal forums at least and are based off of existing gaming communities.
Do you want to blow up spaceships? Do you want to play market simulator2015? Do you want to be in huge fleets? Now is the time.
Ask any questions. For a 30 day trial with a chance of getting a Plex in drop your email or message someone who provided his.
I get your intentions, I do. Wanting to try recruiting at different times of the day to get different timezones, but this time of day especially is pretty quiet.
Personally, I would love to play again. I have a near 15mil SP character that I've been playing on and off again for years. Made it in 2008 but only really put in a few months worth of playing in. I love the game, but never found a corp that stayed together long enough to get into anything great. So I always tried mission running for ISK.
I apparently have 250,000,000 ISK just sitting there... How much is a PLEX going for right now?
Fuck, 800m? Last I time I played I think it was in the 500-600 range. I've been lurking your KF threads for awhile now, and I would be interested in joining. Thing is, I'm a poor fag right now and can't afford the $15 to resub, so it will have to wait. I was thinking if the PLEXs weren't that far off from what I had, I could grind some L4 Missions to get enough for another month, but that still seems a bit steep.
>Grinding for months to train basic skills and rep with factions
With with basic skills, a pilot can be of use to a fleet. I actually enjoy the skill training, as it still goes up if you logged off. If you know what to aim for, and a good corp will guide you, you can have a ship ready for fleet runs in days, if not hours if done right. Yes, it will be months before you are in a battleship, but you can still be learning shit about your frigate and improving your game in that time. People give EVE flak for being a spreadsheet simulator and being butthurt about not being able to control your ship besides button clicks, but there's a LOT to combat than meets the eye. If you look for it, you'll be learning something about EVE all the god damn time, even years later.
But people want instant gratification.
You're genuinely a fucking idiot if you think eve doesn't need more things you can just do in a small amount of time.
Even the head of pandemic legion says that shit, and says that people that defend it not having anything like that are probably way too locked into the stupid mentality of "eve is a hardcore game"
Again, you can have a boat ready that will be of use to a corp in days, if not hours, if planned properly. Yes, you will always be improving, but in a good fleet with proper planning and coordination, you will be useful.
And tackling is fucking fun. Being in a fleet that knows what it's doing, and being one of the first to engage and hold the target from running is pretty exciting.
how have they changed the tutorial?
I've tried to get into EVE 2 times now but I get bored at the start everytime
No, I just want shit to do other than listen to some nerd say warp to gate for fucking hours. It would be nice if the game had more shit to do other than troll, mine, pvp, or farm npcs.
I really want to play EVE but I just can`t.
I started a char some time ago, have about 7-8mil sp, I tried a few corps but so far nothing happenned apart from some shit here and there once per week.
My plan was to get mining and industry to a decent level first so I would be able to construct T1 stuff for me and my imaginary buddies should we go into nullsec of WH space, but the thing is and after that, find a nice corp and get into some pvp.
>nobody gives a shit about your `casual` industry skills
>everybody has 3 alts that are maxed to PI/Industry and are constantly building 5000 items of T2 per day
I defo don`t want to go into an indy corp, I want pvp and shit, but sometimes doing some indy and afk mining is just good for me. Now, If I wanted to join a decent PVP corp:
>min 10-15mil sp
>if its a wh corp, the ability to go with and own T3
EVE its like real life job seeking, the expectations are really high, and a new player has difficulties to fit into everywhere, and even if he does, he has to wait literally months to get into bigger ships or be even remotely competetive.
So while my account is active, it is just training, and If will have patience and determination I will join a corp sometime
i wanted to like EVE so much but the gameplay is just so fucking barebones and locked behind a massive realtime grind, there's no incentive to be a new player where most mmo's give you tons of catch up features.
shame because that atmosphere and ost is beautiful
Nigger, are you fucking retarded? The map may be large, but it doesn't matter if it is all the same colored background with lame ass music and the same old ships, all day erry' day.
Fuck I forgot the picture.
How about exploration? Data and Relic sites can be pretty good ISK when you're doing k-space sites in wormholes (C1-C3). Can find several hundred million isk in one evening, and you only need a frigate to do them.
Keeps you on your toes too since there is always the risk of someone catching you, but losing a 25 million frigate isn't that bad when you made 300 million the night before. Shouldn't be too hard to keep safe if you watch dscan like a hawk. Cloak up as soon as you see probes on your scanner.
Locking certain elements of "fun" behind a time window is stupid though, some people will never find flying tackle fun, and that's okay. But they might love being a battleship.
There are moning changes incoming. Specifically for nullsec ores which is an area of the game we operate in.
Missioning is a shitty source of income anyway.
>what are rising sub numbers a decade straight
A lot of people use reddit. Especially people interested in video games. It makes sense for corporations who recruit to have a subreddit. KarmaFleet is a joke name too.
It is a lot more freeform and less convoluted now.
You can also join any of these corps within hours of character creation and experience the real game instead of whatever it is newbies usually get stuck with.
What is the problem with joining any of the crops listed above?
There are no SP requirements, you get to do industry in the best spaces in Eve and you can do PvP as much as you like with constant pings for fleets.
>locking content behind a time window
So you're against games with level up mechanics then? Leveling up is a matter of time when it comes down to it. In this case, you're leveling up even when you're not in game.
>How about exploration? Data and Relic sites can be pretty good ISK when you're doing k-space sites in wormholes (C1-C3). Can find several hundred million isk in one evening, and you only need a frigate to do them.
I never got into it, but always assumed you needed a group of people to really make it profitable, so I didn't bother taking the skills for it. What does it involve? If you only need a frigate, I'm assuming there isn't much NPC combat. What are Data and Relic sites exactly?
>Missioning is a shitty source of income anyway.
Perhaps, but at the time it's what I had available to me for low risk., and I never really learned better ways of earning ISK. I'd have to learn new shit. I'd be willing, but I'd need to know where to start.
It's just wrong. Having a lot of SP on a single character does no one any good.
You can be useful in PvP within days. One of the biggest alliances right now was founded merely 2 years ago by entirely new players.
If you don't wanna play eve it's fine but don't pretend a game is shit just because you're too inept to get into it, fox.
>where most mmo's give you tons of catch up features.
That's because a level 1 could literally never kill a level 90 or whatever because their HP regen just plain doesn't allow it. Those games are balanced based on levels. EVE is just balanced based on what you choose to do with there being countermeasures for everything else. Someone with 5milSP can be useful and even kill someone with 60milSP.
That's another thing I hate about you people. Everyone who doesn't like eve is a casual in your eyes. As if it's somehow impossible not to like tediousness the game.
You don't need a group. Data and Relic sites are anomalies that you scan down with your probe scanner. Once in the anomaly you'll find containers that you have to open by winning a hacking minigame.
The containers contain mostly loot that is relevant for the industrial type players and can be sold for decent ISK on the market.
I did a few hours of exploration in Venal yesterday and came out with 200mil worth of loot. And that is in a Heron which is literally the first exploration ship available to players.
I can really recommend joining us at KF or any of the entities above. It seems like you haven't seen a lot of what eve has to offer.
Where did I say casual?
>another thing I hate about game
You're pretty invested for someone who simply doesn't enjoy a video game.
You're bitter because you can't get into a game that a lot of people praise and you expected to be able to enjoy it. You can't and now you shit up this thread.
I'm honestly sorry. Give it another shot. Start up a trial, fly on a few fleets with us and make sure it really is as shitty as you convinced yourself ;)
You bring up a good point. Most people who don't really understand EVE complain about being behind in SP and never being able to catch up to old players, but in other MMOs you're absolutely right. A level 1 character could not kill a max level character in nearly any circumstance. However in EVE, there are MANY situations where that might happen. Just interesting to see what people complain about vs what can actually happen in game.
Really? Exploring is just that? I'm assuming there are skills involved I'd have to grind... You can go into any sector and there will be anomalies, or are they only present in certain locations?
Why use that word? You literally inject them and wait.
>You can go into any sector and there will be anomalies, or are they only present in certain locations?
Anomalies are everywhere and if you plan on exploring in wormholes it doesn't matter where you're based out of since entrances appear at random throughout the universe.
The anomalies found in the systems themselves are better in lower security systems though.
There are also different kinds of sites especially in wormholes that will have enemies or spawn them when you fail a hack for instance.
>the game doesn't get better
translates to I've played for 3 days, did the tutorial and didn't find a player group straight away so I got bored, quit and will now forever begrudge the game.
Eh, I use the word grind but it's not meant in any negative way. I know I inject them and wait, but I was just indication I would have to queue up some skills to improve. That's all.
I actually never have gotten into a wormhole before. I'm guessing wormholes are found just like data and relic sites? So, the idea is to just fly around, look for sites, and if you find a wormhole then take it and find better sites?
Well then how do you find one? I understand that entry/exit points randomly appear and disappear, but how to do track them down? If say, you want to get in to find better exploration sites, what do you have to do to get back out?
this is pretty great news. I bought eve a few months ago but I haven't started playing yet because I've been scared that the community was stagnated to the point where it would be hard for a new player to join in. I'll definitely give it a shot now.
You'll see anomalies in the system but you won't know what exactly they are. You scan those down the the proper module. They might turn out to be Data, Relic or Combat sites aswell as wormholes.
If I didn't have corpmates and drunken flight nights I would have quit within the first month. Shooting the shit while waiting for a war target was infinitely more fun than actually waiting for the fucking target.
If KF interests you send me an ingame mail under "Inferno Plex".
The community is the opposite of stale right now. Huge alliances breaking apart and a new meta on the horizon that is already making everyone run for cover.
There is at least one in every system from hi-sec to nullsec. You need decent astrometric skills to find one. Sisters Core probes are great for this but a bit expensive.
>what do you have to do to get back out?
The same way you got in. Wormhole systems are a crapshoot though, you might not find an exit for another fifteen holes after you get lost. And you might reenter known space far off in the boonies somewhere.
Alright. Well, that certainly sounds interesting and if I manage to jump back in, I'll try doing that for a bit. I'm assuming that these skills needed are locked for tree trials right? I can't start a 30 day free trial account in hopes of getting into exploring and making some ISK only to find out those skills are locked for trials. I know many money-making skills are locked for trial goers.
Most of them do. Finding them isn't the hard part though, it's getting in and out unscathed. You don't want to enter one in hi-sec because those entry systems usually have high traffic.
No. I'm not sure what that anon is referring to. Wormholes may last anywhere from hours to days. It is not predictable where they'll appear. Some systems do have a higher likelyhood of getting anomalies though.
>you might not find an exit for another fifteen holes after you get lost.
The trick is to find a C1-C3 (unknown, not dangerous unknown) wormhole. Those often have a lowsec or highsec exit. Sometimes both.
A lot of them. Not all tho.
>tfw your C6 static leads to a C1 only a few jumps from jita
Time to go shopping.
Holy shit captcha I don't care about cakes what the fuck.
That won't help. I have an account, I just don't have the extra $15 to drop on reactivating right now. I know that sounds stupid, but I'm on a really tight budget the next couple of months while I help a family member open a restaurant. I was thinking, if the skills to get into exploration aren't locked, I could use a trial account to raise some ISK and get CCP to activate my main account just long enough to buy a PLEX and activate it. I know they've allowed that in the past, and it's an option available to me. I have some ISK saved up already on my character, so I wouldn't need to raise the full amount.
Youre the one whos actively advertising this pile of shit. Its not our job to show you that the game isnt shit. The reason why no one here is playing it is because its an utter chore to join the game now. If you want to convince people to start even though them not being interested then you should provide some arguments how to get past the chore of being scammed and exploited.
Yes but in regular MMOs, you can also grind to get better levels and gear and thus increasing your effectivity.
In EVE, you have to wait, no matter what. If there would be an option to increase your SP with some grinding or shit there would be better incentives to start the game now. Up to a certain level of course, like you can farm items or do missions for SP up to battleship 3 or something.
Most people will realize how terrible it is in the first hour. Or after they try to climb that first skill hump.
>32D 20H 31M until Advanced Weapon Upgrades completes
I don't think I've ever wanted to take a vacation from a game before.
No, but I can spot the difference between people who simply don't like eve and people who tried really hard to like eve and now shit up threads with made up reasons why it's shit so they feel better about themselves never haven gotten into it.
>and people who tried really hard to like eve
So what youre saying is that anyone who didnt try really hard to like a game has an opinion that is not worth stating? Why in the name of god would anyone try really hard to like a game if he simply doesnt? If I dislike a game I will not have the motivation to try really hard to like it. How retarded are you to be unable to grasp this incredibly simple concept.
Besides, when did a person try really hard to like a game anyway? After 10hours? 100hours? 1000hours? When are you satisfied and consider a persons opinion to be valid? Oh right, it doesnt matter what you think.
I actually don't agree with you here. Because you can still grind to get better gear, which will give you much better results than the passive bonuses from your skills. And training the bare minimum skills to unlock the ability to use gear doesn't take that long. As one other anon said, you can be flying battleships within 2 weeks.
AWU isn't really needed to fly a ship, but holy shit is a useful skill to have. The best fits won't work unless you have AWU.
It reduces powergrid requirements of turrets and launchers. It's mandatory for serious PVP because at level 5 it adds a lot breathing room for your fittings. Some ships, particularly those with energy-weapon bonuses, are impossible to properly fit without it.
liking a game is not the same as enjoying it
yes but we both know that simply `flying` a ship in EVE gets you nowhere. You have to get millions to get it and fitted and you have to have the financial reserves to support your pvp and buyback those big ships so you have to have skills first to get dosh and then get the actual money and THEN you will be able to fly those ships. (unless you join a corp who gives you free ships and shit or you can make your living from pvp loot from day 0, but thats the rarer case)
It's not about playtime but getting into a group that gives your sandbox experience a point.
If all you do is mine and "small gang pvp" aka dying to gatecamps in frigates with a shitty 10 player corp then the game is simply not gonna be fun.
How is waiting a minute to fly a ship any different than waiting a minute to get enough xp to get to level 2 to use that weapon that requires level 2 to use?
I guess in one scenario, what you're actively doing influences the rate of progression, while the other is a steady progression that isn't dictated by what you're doing.
I see there being pros and cons to either. For example, in a traditional level based system, if I'm not actively killing mobs or questing, I am not gaining XP. Therefore any time spent on anything else, does not progress my levels. Where as in the EVE style, your progression goes up at a constant rate regardless of what you're doing, or if you're even logged into the game.
Yes, some games you can gain xp from other ways than just killing and questing, and yes you can change the rate of which you gain SP in EVE, but I was using a very basic example.
People are already overwhelmed with the sandbox as is. I genuinely believe that it would hurt the game to remove skill barriers let alone whether I agree with the design or not.
>How is waiting a minute to fly a ship any different than waiting a minute to get enough xp to get to level 2 to use that weapon that requires level 2 to use
I hope this is a fucking joke. If you do something to gather EXP you DO SOMETHING. If you wait for a ship to develop you wait, youre NOT ACTIVELY DOING SOMETHING.
damn this shit didn't fit in the /v/ size limit
But you still get to DO SOMETHING.
You get to do WHATEVER YOU WANT and aren't forced to grind a million of X to level up swordfighting level 98.
It's not a perfect system but it has stood the test of time and is hardly one of the legit reasons to dislike eve.
And that was the point, wasn't it? Giving a new player all skillpoints would do nothing except throw the balancing off. They won't get to fly the big ships either way. Even people who own capitals don't get to fly them that often since it requires the backing of your alliance to move such a pricy asset.
Then I argue in a traditional based leveling system, you are forced to play certain content in other to unlock more skills and gear, rather than play the way you want to, whereas in EVE, you can play any way you want and it won't effect your rate of progression.
For example, if you wanted to mine in a traditional MMO, you usually don't gain any XP for mining nodes. You don't gain any XP for shopping and playing auction house for profit. You might gain XP for your crafting skill if you have one, but usually it doesn't add XP to your normal levels, and if it does, not much. There are exceptions to this of course, but traditionally, the game dictates what provides XP, and if you want to level up, you have to do those tasks to get XP.
In EVE, you can do whatever the fuck you want and still make progress in your skill tree. The only difference is that what you're actively doing has no effect on your progression. Except for ISK.
>is hardly one of the legit reasons to dislike eve
The fact that you seriously think that youre in position to define what is and what isnt a legit reason to dislike a game says a lot about your mentality and shows and now argument will ever yield any fruit.
I'm currently at just over 7mil SP.
I just got the Caldari Battlecruiser skill, but tbh there wasn't much point as I can't afford to buy one.
Hell, I can fly Cruisers but I'm not that good at fitting them.
At the moment I've been grinding missions for Standing. I've just unlocked level 2 missions and my Corax has been holding up well so far.
I dunno when I'll need to switch to my Caracal, but hopefully I'll have better skills then.
Honestly I'm terrified of low/null-sec. I'm not clever or ruthless enough to survive out there.
I tell people to play a game I enjoy and offer a variety of ingame corporations looking for recruits seeing as it's highly important to play with decent people in a game like eve.
If that's advertising, sure.
Just join the KF_Public channel if you're interested in experiencing what the nullsec life is like. I can promise you it's at least more fun than running fucking missions.
thats what scared me six years ago, but youd be surprised how fast you get near perfect skills for a certain ship. I mean, I have over 100m sp, but I dont have those last 2% damage from those 1month skills.
Ok so back again, just to say something about the good side of the game as well.
I stayed in some corps here and well, hi sec, wh, low sec, fw, and I have to say, when something is going on and you are playing together with your mates on TS - its just absolutely brilliant, especially when its pvp, you get the adrenaline rush like in no other game, and It hooks you right in. Thats why I am a bit bitter about this whole game, because I experienced the best side of it and I know the amount of fun that could be had, but still its difficult (at least for me) to find a decent corp and get this shit going again. Tried a few things as a newb:
>mining op in highsec with orca and corp ore buy scheme / just hanging around with your buds, sipping beer, talking about some RL shit or just doing some funny trashtalk, and you get dosh after the event.
>farming sleeper sites in wh / the same, but you have to be organised and constantly watching d-scan, deploying and collecting mobile tractor loot collector stuff, going back to POS, organising the loot, guarding the hole, rolling, etc
>doing fw in smaller ships / easy, not much to lose and you can still be effective even with a frigate while getting cash
>public fleets with a hundred ppl on TS, listening to the commander, organising, being organised, switching ammo for ordered distance, focusing ships by order
this is the kind of experience/fun I never had anywhere in my gaming experience. Its so different, I can`t even compare - its suddenly not a spreadsheet simulator.
Hell, If I were CCP I would use EVE as educational tool for schools, even with private galaxies, star systems. Imagine what kids could learn about politics, economy, numbers, tactics, strategy and general thinking while playing a game with spaceships.
So here, this is my complete opinion about the game, and I think everyone should at least try it once. The trial is now 30days, its free, and after that its just 10gbp/month.
I like you. A well described and thought-out opinion is rare on /v/.
The issue is that it boils down to "It's fun with your friends"... Which is true of most games.
Personally I enjoy the solo play in Eve, too, but I suspect I'm in the minority.
Also, fuck CODE alliance. I just want to build frigates with my own materials for a small profit, I don't need you fucks hanging around.
I think it was about 2010. Ships were already starting to get expensive then. T1 was still cheap, but T2 had gone up to 160 mill (from about 80 mill).
I'm glad T2 frigates are still around 20 million.
>steadily rising subscription numbers for 9 years
I'm actually here because incoming changes to the game are going to flip the table when it comes to holding systems in the game and every alliance in the game right now is in preperation for that.
But your sides indeed
dont forget that most of the people has 2-3 accounts
also, games like star citizen, elite: dangerous are getting into the fray and this will mean that EVE will slowly lose its monopoly over the sandbox space game genre and the devs have to get their shit together to keep the game alive, let alone make it grow - hence the more frequent updates for example
What does it matter? Plex was bought with real money. Even if all the people online right now are me, what do you care?
If you actually think SC/ED are a direct competitor to eve you either don't understand eve or those games.
Right now you need to destroy certain structures when trying to take sov. This means you have to field a minimum DPS to capture anything in a reasonable timeframe.
The new system will remove that barrier making it feasible for smaller entities to hold space without relying on renting or diplomatic agreements.
>If you actually think SC/ED are a direct competitor to eve you either don't understand eve or those games.
are you serious? I could say the same about you as I read this statement. Fuck I don`t want to start an argument about this, so I`ll just leave it to you then.
neither of those games can be called a sandbox in the same sentence as eve. Star Citizen in particular has straight up said they will not allow the kind of interaction eve does.
I play both eve and elite dangerous as do multiple people in my corporation. The games simply don't scratch the same itch.
You can tell yourself all you want that you're not missing out anything by just playing SC/ED because they're the same anyway according to you but in reality they're hardly alike.
You are right, but most of the ppl who are interested in space games/space sims/space shooters will look for something like this
>I want to fly a spaceship
>in an mmo
>with muh friends or other real players
the rest is up to the game and the other players in that game.
You're projecting. That is not what eve players look for.
Your point is bullshit just admit it. SC and ED do nothing to Eve. There are players playing both but that's like saying "Eve is dead everyone is playing Cities: Skylines"
Come back when you stopped being mad about not enjoying eve.
absolutely no one with that mentality plays eve beyond a single month, it just doesn't have the appeal to people who want to fly spaceships, you are either going to get heavy into player politics, griefing the fuck out of other people or flowcharts.
Define being a slave.
I get to do whatever the fuck I want in deklein and in return show up for a few fleets every month if at all. We also offer a variety of special interest groups organizing all kinds of content.
People wouldn't be in big organizations if they didn't get something out of it.
What're your views on "casual" players. And by casual I mean someone who does not have a set playing schedule?
I play as often as I can but real-life stuff gets in the way a lot. I usually get to play for around 5 hours every second day, sometimes more, sometimes less. That sounds like it would be unsuitable for a nullsec corp.
We do not have a playtime requirement.
We do kick for excessive inactivity but only if someone hasn't been on in weeks or rarely ever plays without giving stating a reason at all.
Plenty of people here work fulltime and have a family.
5 hours every second day is a lot m8.
also I don't know about this particular nullbabby shit corp, but in most corps I know, if you get kicked for inactivity, you can usually just get back in really easily if you become active again.
>nullbabby shit corp
It's always interesting to see bads and irrelevants from 4chan spout their elite peeveepee opinions.
This is one thing people here have down. Talking like you know shit while knowing nothing.
I can't lie - it's tempting. I just don't feel I'm knowledgeable enough about the game to venture out from Highsec just yet.
Hell, I joined RvB for a brief period and got slaughtered regularly without even scratching my enemies.
Weekly reminder that Snuff Box is the best lowsec group, cartel btfo
I'm not even subbed now, used to be in Doctrine with space admiral larkonnis the racist
(it's okay I'm apparently the worst scout Snake's ever seen)
Two characters with 130m SP that I haven't played for years and keep training.
What's the purpose?
I was there when wormholes were released and joined a wormhole operation for a few months. Lots of fun. At the end it became a chore and quit, pretty good for some time. But don't see anything new coming as good or interesting as Apochypha.
Maybe I should join one of these corps with a new char?
We're at war with a failscading coalition.
Come back once you win so hard your enemies literally quit the game. Until then you can go and jerk about you k/d ratio somewhere else.
>>>/pl/ for your elite pehvehpeh needs
I have to pay a subscription every month, right? No. Fuck that. All I should have to do is pay $50 for the game and be able to play whenever I want after that at no extra charge. A subscription system just does not make sense for me, since I usually only play a game a whole lot for a week or two, then get burnt out and let it sit for months.
Why that? Because you unironically think that we're the "bad guys"? Because you drank too much of your own retarded coolaid and now you're stuck on the bandwagon?
Learn to think for yourself you fat retarded fuck
keep on winning eve bro, remember to anchor up and engage drones on the primary
I find it hilarious how you assume I'm some kind of buttravaged opposing nullsec blob who lost moons or something to you
All you're doing right now is spamming
You're stuck here because your shitty ego doesn't allow you not to have the last word. You now pretend like you're better than the CFC and PL combined just so you don't have to lose an online argument about irrelevant bullshit.
You don't even have a point. You're just trying to prove that you're the most knowledgeable/calm/in control person in this thread while not even having a message.
Think a second about what cancer you are. Please, just reflect on your trash personality for a single fucking second and tell me honestly what you're thinking right now.
you're trying to get people to join your terrible corp. I just want you to explain why anyone who isn't awful would want to do that.
how are you personally winning eve, by being just a warm body in the largest group in the game?
you mention PL as elite pvp, but they aren't. elitism isn't the same as elite. maybe compared to you guys I guess, but they're pretty much just another nullblob, but older and richer than some of the others. they even let overload everything join them.
Did mittens order you to mass spam forums again? The 7th coming of goonswarm, the spamming of forums?
It's nice you actually state who you are and link to the other noob groups, but you've missed out RvB and E-Uni.
Those thinking about playing, you're going to be used and abused becuase many large blocks are beginning mass recruitment because in 6~ weeks time panic and crazy numbers of bodies are going to be needed for land grab.
And, oh god why the fuck are HERO going into fountain, that's a fucking terrible idea after last weeks entertainment.
again? because as far as I can tell, all they do is farm structures and take part in the occasional tidi blob battle. please let me know if any of those are buzzwords or if they trigger you or whatever.
I should include RvB and E-Uni even though I genuinely believe that they don't offer as much as KF does. I can't speak for the other organizations.
I do this on my own volition by the way. I genuinely like interacting with new players and I know that there are plenty of people here who are not total edgelords and would fit in decently enough.
What's the problem with Hero going to fountain? We(the cfc) are the only ones who kept a no bullshit line with them the entire time. If they had just taken delve when we offered it instead of getting helicopterfucked by PL they might've not even had that coup.
Is that how you use that word now? And yes, "grr goons" has been a running gag for years now.
A lot of the animosity still stems from that long gone time too. Most people hating on the CFC now don't even know why.
People advice against trying to plex in your first month. I have no idea how you even had any fun if that was what you did in your 21 days.
I can't vouch for trial accounts since I'm not sure what the exact skill limitations are but it is very much possible to plex your account as a new player in our space.
What I can recall is that brave even early on was offered delve/fountain area, but the problem with accepting was either GrrGoons or the fact that moving in meant being a pet, renter or farm target. Which ended up happening in catch anyway. But the point was a year ago when they hit sov they were going to be a buffer or pet to what ever group they were caught in the middle of. No supers etc never helped either.
As the situation stands now, the timing is weird and tinfoily enough. I expect an even larger exodus than the coup/hed evac mess. So they'll drop from 2000/16000 active toons to barely 1000/15000 active.
They used to field 1.3k people to a defense, that last brawl ZXB was 150 dudes. They are not in a position to think about sov and will probably failscade completely come fozziesov, not because lack of caps, but because they have been bleeding active players for the last 2 months since GE went under. They will be TEST 2.0 realized once they are removed from fountain, having served their purpose as buffer.
Wall of text yes, but I've enjoyed watching them for the last 18 months. The spawning of KF and PH are interesting as well, but come from more established and far better organised roots.
buying a plex with isk is what you should do if you can make so much money so easily that paying a sub would be silly. if you're new or lol on a trial, all you're going to do is turn the game into an endless grind. I'm an older player and I pay a sub, because earning isk is no fun, I wouldn't do it out of choice.
>be a group that prides itself on being entirely without merit (if only quantity was one, but sadly it isn't)
>people accurately point out that you are shit
>le grr :^)
give it a rest
I'm sure we'll drop by for "gudfites" on a regular basis but I can't imagine us using brave in the same way PL did. There certainly won't be any backroom deals about not taking timers as long as you keep dying to us.
I think people interpret too much into the decision. As demonstrated by the recent fountain "invasion" backfiring in a hilarious way we don't need a buffer or anything like that. Living next to brave will provide a lot of content for new players on both sides. I know that we in KF are looking forward to it in an honest way.
Plus the local residents provide plents of fights aswell without turning things into a capital clusterfuck.
Goons pride themselves on being shit. If you knew how the alliance started it'd be even more evident.
You're attributing things to us and then get mad if we don't fulfill them.
That being said you can't argue with success. Haters gonna hate.
you sure are succesful at killing blue titans
>mfw CFC members actually believed the retarded coverup
what am i attributing anyway?
all I said is that the CFC is shit and best avoided
I can dislike goons even if they joke about how bad they are. it doesn't mean I'm mad. also remember not to conflate the success of a vast organisation with its individual members being good.
they refunded his titan
which means that the money earned by coalition members was spent on correcting a retarded mistake like that
and yeah, apart from that I dont really know why they put up with that
If you think it's sheer numbers keeping the CFC afloat you're simply wrong.
The organizational structure on the inside is insane. I worked for less professional real life companies. The individual member's skill is maybe not the highest but who cares about that except for you?
I don't really have much to come back to. My interest petered out after we kicked TEST et al. out of Delve, and a forever war against enemies who aren't worth hating (PL, NCdot and whatever the remnants of BoB constitute nowadays) isn't appealing anymore. I'm too jaded.
Doesn't help I burned out just before purchasing a mothership since they (probably for the best) have been or are scheduled to be nerfbatted even more.
>which means that the money earned by coalition members was spent on correcting a retarded mistake like that
Yes, the entire CFC was outraged by that. I think we reimburse more in cruisers a day than a titan loss costs us.
>and yeah, apart from that I dont really know why they put up with that
Because goons are fun to be around and you don't just give up friends you made over the years just because your ship go blown up once?
It's funny how the only people still caring about this are the ones not in the CFC. So funny it's almost sad. grrr
The only time CFC member ever react smug is when people unironically post "grr goons" shit.
There are people literally thinking we're evil.
You'll rarely see smug behavior emerge without prior provocation.
Best example the last failed fountain invasion. Wouldn't you be smug about it when your enemy tries to invade territory during fanfest and then get's their own territory stomped in?
And besides that you'll hardly find anything but nice, humble people on goon coms.
Goons stopped being good guys after BOB went under, they literally become the BOB.
On that note getting into claim alliance is the worst mistake you can make in eve. I was in Solar Fleet back at the time when RED was still a thing, never again.
GSF is not the same beast it was during the great war/ red swarm era. They are not the complete 'we are super shit and have no idea' group anymore, anyone who started with them back then has a toon 7+ years old now, they just simply are not the same as they were.
The success is from great teamwork and leadership herding the thousands of cats and alliances together into the largest blob, a symptom of the game and humanity. Someone had to do it and it was them.
I see lots of people blaming the nullblobs for ruining the game, or blaming them for the dire state of nullsec. the way I see it, they are just a result of shit game, it's up to CCP to change the game so this kind of enormous blobfaggotry alliance of alliances shit not be desirable. it's so retarded hearing people say we all need to have some kind of goodfights agreement and split everything up. the game should force it to happen through actual mechanics, scarcity, difficulty in keeping a big empires together, skill being relevant in pvp, that sort of good shit we all talk about. not saying you guys aren't fags though.
How are we bob? We're unsoving an entire region right now and giving another one away to a newbie organization.
It's really a bad comparison. Neither the gameplay style nor the culture are similar in the slightest. Except for being the biggest player around they don't have much in common.
>Goons stopped being good guys after BOB went under, they literally become the BOB.
that's not fair. SirMolle didn't achieve half of what Mittani's done in EVE and never with as much flair and self-deprecation
I think there's just two camps of people on that issue, ones who join the larger group/winning team simply because they want to be on the winning team. And the other camp that hates that sort of bandwagon.
I ALWAYS join the underdog in any game. I have been disgusted by people joining the winning team ever since I started playing 1.6 like a hundred years ago.
I justified my being in goons with them being so hated. This way I can still feel like a space hipster and still play in the big alliance.
I think it's less people in the CFC with the mindset you just described than you think. We're actually just fun to play with. Winning is a side product of having a solid leadership with a plan.
And it's not like we're at war all the time. There was a year of peace before the fountain invasion. Most of the activity outside of that has little to do with how big or small the CFC is. A 15 man roam is a 15 man roam whether you're a goon or not.
You'd need to change humanity banding together. Small group incentives might be there for a while, but people will slowly become complacent and just want to work together. You'd need to make moo goo chaotic (but then there might become dealings to trade what is needed around), or create other reasons for both small and large groups to be at each others throats, which is hard to do in a game like this.
How you break people banding together is the real issue, but even if you create in game mechanics that penalized large groups, they'd either just use out of game methods to go around that negative, blue each other (and if the act of bluing adds to that penalization, then you'd just make sure everyone doesn't shoot ticker XXXX on some updated google doc). The game might be known for players that are massive douches and shit you can't do in other games but a large portion of null blocks are null bears who want little part in that, and they are sometimes the larger weight of coalitions.
What's kept things going is an age old hatred, but that's only kept by a few with new blood not buying into the old war story, and the game needs a new Steve/first titan level event, aka player owned stargates.
>Winning is a side product of having a solid leadership with a plan.
This is exactly why post BOB goons a shit. They turned into maximum serious business corporate bullshit, no spirit of old goons left. No "we shit and we know we shit, but fuck it, here 200 rifters for your fleet and our scout on megatron."
>In Eve, there's a skill queue or else no progression
As a working class peasant I appreciate the ability to have the same leveling speed as everybody else despite the amount of time I have to play.
I liked playing as a station trader before I unsubbed. Brought my 250mil up to 2bil but I felt like I wasn't making it fast enough to justify the monthly fee.
Well the working class would benefit from the truth that stats are locked at 50-75% effectiveness without investing money or lots of play for covering the sub.
The game is awful for fresh introduction and play.
you make it sound so difficult. I'm not talking about retarded gamey bullshit like making it cost money to set standings or put stacking penalties on shooting people. I'm talking about making it so player skill actually matters in fleet fights, and having some kind of scarcity, so you wouldn't actually want to band together with a bunch of retarded scrubs, big groups would actually want to cut the fat, because it would be profitable for them. part of what gryscale (rip) wanted to do was make holding vast areas of space very difficult. unfortunately ccp pussied out and didn't touch jump freighters, so it didn't happen, but you should be able to see what he was going for.
We had plenty of brave refugees expressing how happy they are now having a leadership structure like ours.
You also need to consider that 90% of the content happens within the SIGs and Squads. All the serious tactics and the dunk/blueball meta is only used during actual wars.
Plus we still do stuff like burn jita and once a year shoot ourselves in memory of vile rat creating more losses than the enemy ever could.
People kill NPCs because that's one way to finance your PvP.
I don't see how it surprises you that the killed NPC number is higher.
I have seen a lot of stupid shit being said about eve but you're the first one complaining about a lack of PvP. Good job.
Good news, brave might be betraying their origin and going full dictator, dropping the 'council voting system'. But I think the system was interesting from the outside, but clearly manipulable. I just don't think Lychton is a good leader overall. If he changes his perceived persona from 'that drunk noob that can't lead fleets, yet alone navigate his own space' to 'full blown dictator' it might be a culture shock or betrayal of what they are.
Their leadership/voting council seems to be made up of people with more than 2 years in game, so decisions are better made as a group with the figure head announcing them. But from their minutes they seem to take weeks or months to get some shit done, could just be that they lack the professional IT army of larger and older groups, thus everything relies on a small group.
Same goes for anyone who become prominent in brave, they get poached for their skills or assets.
Whoa whoa whoa.
Nice slave recruitment you got there pal.
Don't forget to tell them about daily call to arms or mining in order to not get kicked and about following the skill learning plan in order to not get kicked and being online often to not get kicked and having 15%+ bounty tax.
Lychton is a shit leader but all their council system does is promote E-Drama and people in positions of authority that are popular as opposed to competent.
The fact that they still don't have proper forums also shows.
They've been trending upwards for years. I think the only dip has been after the huge mass of players joined during the "This is Eve" stream.
Lot's of people resubbing too as a result of recent and impending changes.
I meant what I said in the OP. It's a good time to start playing.
3 months is all it takes to reach basic t2 fit for incursion vindi, then you start making 120m/hr. Plex a day (or more) if you want. Other methods exist, you could go balls deep and in the first 30 days get a plex from doing explo in low or null.
It's not impossible by any means. Begging 10-20m from many sources could do it.
I wouldn't say it's the best sandbox MMO. There's an assload to do, but after 6 months you get bored. If you join a good alliance you'll make friends and probably spend more time playing other games with them than Eve. If you spend a year making a anme for yourself you might get leadership shit and go full 'eve is a second job'.
It's simply not the flashy class based game with 40 skills to fire off in order or ever changing NPC experience of other MMOs that people come to expect.
We have neither gameplay time requirements nor do we make people join fleets let alone force them to mine. Tax rate outside of war times is a standard 10%.
We also have 50% peacetime SRP. We're such Nazis.
You're as factually wrong as you could be. Nice image though. You totally made your argument more valid and displayed your calm superiority :^)
Just want to drop in to say CCP are by far the most incompetent devs I have ever seen and they actively shit on their userbase. I advise staying clear of them.
look up dust 514, project legion, and valkyrie.
Various comments about 'we have reddit etc'. But we saw the entertainment that provided last week. They do have a forum, but it's severely under used. They seem to rely on 3 people for all their IT needs and they probably don't have the time.
How do you easily migrate 3000~ or so redditors to a forum anyway?
There's not much pvp going on honestly. There are:
1) gigantic blob warfare, basically op wants YOU to be a part of mindless horde pressing 2-3 buttons (picture related)
2) small pirate gangs that fly overpowered ships pretend to be ebic trolls and to be very good at the game (they are not)
3)solo pvp which is on life support and mostly feature people from second group (lol garmur and svipul are totally not op)
One drop after This is Eve, one drop after banning isboxer.
They purposely haven't released subscriber numbers yet this year since they expected a big increase after fanfest and all the anouncements.
Until we get official numbers released it's hard to tell. It's hard to put the finger on how exactly the ISboxer ban impacted the numbers.
Which probably sparked the change to 6 week dev cycle. They had years of stagnation. They still need to change mining, better NPC shit. How do you compete with the SC mining or cockpit gameplay. Hell the NPC stuff is so repetitive and boring I can't understand carebears. There is less variation and lore in eve's NPC based gameplay than most other MMOs.
People who make comments like the one you just replied to don't get what eve is at all. They go in expecting to blow up some spaceships and are forever hung up on the controls.
They admitted that the game and it's development were unhealthy for a while.
I do put a lot of trust into CCP Seagull though and even the CSMs seem to be thinking that the changes were great.
but it's a shitty boring game where you spend the first six months doing boring shit poorly so you can start doing boring shit well. you then realize that instead of paying for a subscription for those six months you should have just bought a character so you could get to the point you are now. and then you realize that there is no point in playing this "game"
>there is no point
That's where you're simply wrong. It's other MMOs that truly have no point except for running on a treadmill. Your inability to deal with the freedom that comes with a sandbox style game has little to do with how much of a point doing anything has.
Guard helps cover up the fozzie and rise incompetence.
Brave SotA in 3 hours or so. Expect announcement of fountain deployment and prepare to camp sackt and enterances into delve/fountain for a week. It's going to be another hilarious farm session barely 2 weeks after the previous. Even better since only a week ago they announced 'we will not be moving again for some time'.
The Eve pve is really shit and needs work. Those advanced AI frig missions a few months ago need to be expanded upon. Missions need more variation. Ishtar/Domi/Tengu/Raven with their ability to waltz into a anom or mission oribit or sit still and just tank the hits is a terrible game design.
At least other MMOs encourage teamwork in some manner. Incursions are a good thing, but they need change, they are the group raid, but so fucking minmaxed it's fucking cake walk. The pve needs a shake up.
yeah. it's all so obvious how they should fix it, anyone can tell you, but nothing gets done. and it's not even pandering to carebears or whatever some people might tell you - making pve more pvp like would probably be very good for the game.
it's absurd how minmaxed incursions are.
>shield tanked vindicators
>whose tank is 1 invuln
like I shouldn't even have to go any further than that, this is just so fucking retarded.
Brave fool here.
I loved the raha and barl days, even as a 5 year old.
But now, there's some 5k+ dudes and a coalition that needs to be sated. Just look at catch, brave went to aridia, the rest of hero stayed back in catch. Given that they are 2 years old now, and just spent 1 year in null they can't go back.
Whilst I fear how we'll get our noobs in (HED was perfect for us), we've grown used to null life (even if bad at it). There's an obligation to the coalition and fact that you've got a few thousand dudes who trained up to T3s, we've just been whipped for null blob warfare.
I'd love a return to thorax and talwar spam, but it's not a realistic choice when you can reliably field HACs. And if you can field 1.5k dudes as we did in GE then there's no one in low who wants to fuck with that. So your options are to be near the large boys or get back to sov, which is exactly what happened.
I hate low sec mechanics after a year of being in null again. Obviously we lack caps, that we'll never have.
Part of that minmax is the balls to rely on logi that is good.
Pith A's are amazing, but even with all 70's resists from OGB, if you don't broadcast within 20 seconds of taking damage say good bye to 6B. But having only ever flown with TVP people seem on the ball, you broadcast on yellow box, reps land when you've hit 75% shield from full room aggro.
It is beautifully minmaxed, but needs some change because that minmax is tedious and repetitive to hell.
the risk/reward shit does need work. obviously highsec gives too much money, but in pvp space, the pve is still risk free. shit needs to tackle people a lot. it needs to actually be part of the game, where you can get tackled and die, rather than this chore people go off and do that is separate from pvp.
it's not just the tanking, it's the damage as well. blasters are not the god of pvp because players aren't retarded. (90% especially) webs trivialising smaller ship classes of rats is another thing.
what they should be going for here is encouraging mixed fleets with mixed ranges, with pvp-like combat. having rats that just auto instarape anything without silly huge ehp is I guess yet another problem, trivialising smaller classes of player ships.
also 20 seconds is ages m8.
>live in corner of delkin (or other dead end with 3+ jumps worth of intel)
>carrier rat all day every day
>massive intel network so you know about neuts regions away
>only threat is WHs, eyes on local should fix that
Null is just as bad as anywhere else and can give the same level of income as the 'super safe' high sec incursion with same level of actual safety. Keep fucking watch on local/intel and you're safe. Keep eyes on grid, braodcast for yellow box and you'll live, don't auto pilot your vindi and you'll live, don't afk etc. They both have down time issues in terms of neuts in local and fleet is down/waiting to get in.
Well incursions already are mixed fleets, just that if you wanted players to use mixed fleets sansha would need better repping powers, less numbers to compensate and give players proper ewar capabilities that effect rats.
But still the current minmax is designed to trump NPC ewar that with sheer ass rape vindi chewing everything. You'd need to not have sansha using naming convention to relay it's weapon system/ewar to give some chaos for the runners. But making it too unpredictable is also bad.
and even if you don't do any of this, if you're a massive fucking retard like lots of people, you can just align out to your pos, and then something lands on grid or decloaks, so you warp. this will cover you 99% of the time.
it's really no good, people shold be killable without having to resort to afk cloaking and blopsing, or abusing wormholes.
And still there are people dying in dek.
You also forget that having an intel network requires actual players. It's not safe because the game makes it safe. It's safe because the players own that space and keep it clear.
I think that's the entire point of playing a sandbox MMO. Do you want free warpins on ratting carriers every half our or what? It's already easy enough to disrupt operations by just parking a cloaky in system all day.
an intel network does require players, but then what? I can't do anything about it. I can't somehow shut down your intel network. there's no way around it.
you're investing a little bit of effort into avoiding pvp. I am willing to invest some effort into killing you, but it's pointless, because there's nothing I can do.
oh, and I find it funny how we're talking as though capitals doing pve is even acceptable. you guys are so used to how broken things are.
What are stealth bombers and black ops?
Beside, you should require a similar amount of force to break through them, they are defending their systems and thats fine, you want to attack it? prepare to blob.
I simply think what you're saying is not true. Poitot and his friends don't seem to have a problem getting kill in deklein.
And intel is countered by having counter intelligence. It's not just about the fight in space.
they aren't defending their home systems. they are running from everything and sitting in pos/station until attackers get bored. the fact that you have this option should show how broken shit is.
forcing some kind of fight is exactly what people want, even if currently we have the problem of people just being able to drop a tonne of carriers and be unkillable. or some other kind of small gang pvp objective. the ESS was supposed to be this, but its implementation was broken, and because nullsec is the entire csm, nobody wants to fix it.
people getting caught just means they're especially retarded. it doesn't mean everything is working as intended.
I expect to be able to do something. currently you cannot do anything unless they let you, or they're retarded enough to get caught when they can avoid it easily, or if you're a sovfag and want to grind their structures or whatever.
>nullsec is the entire csm nobody wants to fix it
Yeah, because all the changes coming with fozziesov were totally dictated by the CSM.
You're talking out of your ass here. I'm happy that you're not in control of the game.
What gives you the right to be able to engage those players in their home system?
Like where did it say "guranteed ratting ganks" when you started playing eve?
If you want to fight either take sov or stay long enough for someone to show up.
You're basically just asking for free kills.
And then they form 50 people to fight your 10 man small gang, you bitch about the blob coming to defend it's ratters.
Then you show up with 50-100 dudes, they don't show because it's either policy or the shit you're in they simply can't fight.
The endless cycle of escalation and blue balls.
How is it hard to get fights? Try to do something that the other group doesn't like then?
You expect them to fight you "just because" which is a stupid tactic and not everyone plays just to blow up spaceships.
If you disrupt their operations enough or take sov you'll have your fights.
You ARE complaining about not getting free ganks.
that's what often happens, but it's optional. if a small gang comes in wanting to have a scrap in your home, you have no obligation to do anything, you can just sit until they get bored. there's literally nothing at stake.
it isn't good. what I'm imagining with all these new structures is that there's got to be something that you can fuck with with a small group, something not particularly expensive.
I'm amazed at how against incentives for small gang pvp in sov space you guys are. you actually want it to just be pve space, where risk-averse scrubs who just run from everything can do just fine.
>I'm amazed at how against incentives for small gang pvp in sov space you guys are
No, I am not at all. You're simply complaining that you don't get to chose when other players want to engage in a fight with you which you actually fucking could if you were doing more than just showing up in system to be an annoying cunt.
YOU GIVE THEM NO REASON TO FIGHT SO THEY DON'T FIGHT
Trying to fix this by making people unable to dock or log out is a shit plan and you haven't put 5 seconds into thinking about the crap you're talking here.
basically you're fucking retarded.
my whole thing is giving reasons to fight. this is why I mentioned the ESS, part of it was to be a thing for small gangs to hit, but it sucks because the whole thing is broken and forgotten.
you're not going to get fucking LP for fighting small gangs, you're going to have a thing that they can kill or steal or fuck with if you don't fight, and/or it has to be actually possible to catch non-retarded pve people, so that if you don't fight, they die.
naturally, absolutely every sov faggot in the game will be against this, because muh anom shekels, muh thanatos.
>not applying inside to Oruze Cruise, the dankest new tengoo version
You control the ships themselves. Should someone for some reason leave his in space you can board and take it.
The biggest heists in video game history have probably all happened in eve.
so you can't have a hostile takeover or anything like that? lame. you niggas said this was a sandbox game. i wanna do some gta shit while hes still in the ship. take him hostage.
do you even have character in the game or is your character the ship or something?
You're the ship pretty much. You only see your character in stations.
Don't forget it's an MMORPG, not an action game.
1)Get a loan from someone on the first month or do hacking/exploration to death.
2) While hacking yourself to death, train skills for combat exploration, wormholing (group) or incursions.
That idea was valk and dust.
The problem? How the fuck does poor old Eve player defend against a dust player/s? Have their own team of dust dudes of course? But what happens if people stack teams in dust? You the poor bastard in eve lose their ship.
The scales just don't match up well, it's a beautiful fantasy that just won't work because you pilot ships that are kilometers long with an invisible crew of up to thousands. That idea would be perfect for a single player game but not for an mmo where stacked teams or reliance on AI bots is a shit idea.
>win a fight
Its not about even trying to fight them, its about them being able to shut you down from ever moving through there without you being able to do anything what so fucking ever as a new player without the required skills to fly expensive covops.
The only way to not die to a gate camp is to stay docked or not even play the game.
What about it is "too easy"? You don't gain any advantage when being in a group apart from... having more people.
"Fuck call of duty man, can't win in this damn game when they team up on you"
Just give me one option man.
I don't want to join a corp and then they don't tell me anything. I want them to tell me what to do and what ship I need etc to go on fleet runs and whatever
>What about it is "too easy"?
1 logistics ship can make 5+ combat ships' damage redundant
1 ewar ship can make up to about 3 combat ships completely unable to even lock
recon ships can tackle from way out of damage and tackle range
gang links, just the entire thing
these force multipliers are too force multiplyey, to the point where you don't even need to try.
oke guys just downloaded the game
how am i doing so far ?
>as a new player without the required skills to fly expensive covops.
There is your misconception. You feel like you died because you're new not because you did something stupid. Most players don't ever fly covops ships and yet somehow manage to fly around space.
I'm not going into detail as to how you can avoid finding yourself in such a situration but be asured that what you just described isn't a problem at all.
And I personally think that's the way it should be. Having a varied fleet should always grant advantages over flying a single type of ship.
If you tried to rebalance the game to make 1v5s more fair you'd fuck over so much other stuff for a payoff that is questionable.
Please go into detail I want to hear some.
Intel channels? yeah you gotta join a corp that runs those, let alone have someone to even record the intel.
Find an alternative route? It probably has gate campers too or takes 3 times more jumps.
Interceptor or bubble immune ship? They always have insta lockers
Fly in a fleet? need a corp for that
Please tell me, I want to know the secret way to never die to gate campers.
I actually did make a spreadsheet a few month back when mining a little.
Personal use only so it looks like garbage
my point is that when we get into very small fleets engaging each other, a very tiny numbers advantage of 1 person can just completely end the fight.
taking a big dump on ecm, damps, logistics and extreme remote sensor boosting wouldn't break anything.
oh neat, didn't even saw this thread
9 year old account reporting in
>need a corp for that
Everyone on this planet will tell you that being part of a community you enjoy is integral to playing eve.
I can't tell you much except for avoid sandbox games in the future. You're more the themepark person.
Number always mean much. It's just laws of physics. Forcing players to operate in smaller groups is artificial and will probably not lead to anything good.
That being said we don't even control 1/4th of the map as soon as we drop fountain so stop crying please.
>check the map for kill stats
>avoid high to low/nullsec gates like AIDS
>stay to lowsec because no bubbluers
>if you stay in one part of space for some time you should make friends there for shared intel and stuff
Come on, step it the fuck up.
On the one hand, I just started playing this and joining a large corporation would be beneficial.
On the other hand, you're advertising reddit, which is incredibly anti-free speech.
Not sure how to feel here.
>Hey, come join our game and have fun! We just also advocate censorship on the side.
I replied to the reddit question a few times.
It is simply a subreddit. Everyone can create one. Reddit has lot's of user so it makes sense to recruit there.
KarmaFleet is part of goonswarm which actually come from the SA forums and hate reddit. The name KarmaFleet itself is a jab at reddit. Whether you like SA is another thing entirely though.
Just message me ingame if you want a no-bs convo. "Inferno Plex"
Because no one is perfect and you always have to weigh risk vs convenience?
What kind of questions is this even? Are you trying to tell people who have played for years that such a basic thing as gatecamps are imbalanced or something?
Get a load of yourself. I think together with the "there is not enough PvP" post this has to be one of the worst arguments made around here.
As the guy who quoted you pointed out some of the problems, you also need to consider 'culture'. Some of the reddit based groups are very politically correct, something not much of Eve contains. And if you're on fucking 4chan, clearly something you're not that into.
So if you sprout nigger, faggot etc or any slur really, avoid Brave newbies like the plague it is. You can get a gist of what some alliances or corps are like from their forums, or recruitment channels. Don't go in blindly, especially to any of the larger sov blocs, first impressions might taint your view.
And prepare to explain or accept the issues associated with jumping ship from group to group a lot.
I pointed this out in the OP already.
KarmaFleet/Goons are most similar to what 4chan is like. No one bats and eye about sexist jokes or light racism but total edgelords won't fit.
Brave Newbies on the other hand goes full rampage with their "stay classy" shit and is very much a hugbox.
I've been in brave for 2 year now that is the single biggest issue I have with them. It's too fucking politically correct for the game it's in. I don't know why it's like this when there's clearly many people in the alliance that are not and they have to be so reserved and not themselves.
How do gay people in CFC respond when faggot is used in either context of insulting an actual gay person or just used in the usual 4chan manner? Same for other racial slurs. I haven't seen much pure racism in brave, not sure about other alliances, particularly ones based on nationality.
No I won't leave, apart from the politically correct atmosphere I very much enjoy what we do. Given my history, I'm too GrrGoons to join and won't touch PH, and I'd need a good year or more to think about joining waffles/PL (their lifestyle isn't really me).
>How do gay people in CFC respond when faggot is used in either context of insulting an actual gay person or just used in the usual 4chan manner?
They don't react at all. Funnily enough we DO have "queerswarm" for fags and "sirenwarm" for girls but you hardly ever hear from them and no one here gets upset over humor.
Straight up yelling nigger is not seen as especially funny here either but moderate racism won't trigger anyone.
Different crowds really. But any full crazy SJW that gets recruited from reddit, joins brave (or even looks at forums, local, much of the comments on various related sites) then leaves would be in for a rude shock and then quitting. Just reading some info about the game should turn them off.
The ones who get most offended seem to be the gay leadership, because they wield the power to be offended by it.
That's what I talked about earlier. Brave leadership is chosen based on popularity not talent. That's how you even end up with a faction like "gay leadership"
We are a diverse groups of players but goons have never succumbed to censoring themselves to appease a minority. Everyone is welcome but either get with the game or get out. There is zero tolerance around here for attention whoring.
Said gay leadership was never voted in. They were simply the ones who stepped up to take control at the time, thus had the power to be too politically correct over slurs.
Council is your standard favoritism (who gets appointed) mixed with skill in position and still all about who puts hands up to do work. The only popularity thing is CMN who are nothing but yapping line member mouth pieces (or are just meant to be that).
The flip side of popularity is clearly lycthon, I've never seen him are a real leader, just a figure head and why I do think the council needs to exist. He comes off as naive and undisciplined at times, not someone who should normally lead an eve coalition. But I have to hope the deals he fosters are looked over by the people who actually deal with the line members (the evac PL shit clearly wasn't and was the final spark for manipulating the coup). What he is, is a good figurehead for what we represent, drunk noob shitters out for a good time, which many other groups are as well, we just don't have the bigger entry barrier and why so many leave after reaching 20m SP/6 months.
>This whole thread
I'd better off be playing Elite Dangerous if I wanted a space game.
I mean jesus christ.
My exact point, I'd imagine you are all just obese people with narcissistic personalty disorders.
Elite Dangerous would at least have some character and heart to it, EVE seems exactly like second life, a hollow world for man-children.
This might sound pretty dumb, but can you enjoy EVE while playing solo? I know the game world is pretty much run by players, but I mostly play MMOs because I think it's cool that there are thousands of other people up to all kinds of shit while I'm doing my own thing and watching from the sidelines.
I'm about to be employed and doing a job, I want to live in solidarity and drop games because I've realized all they do is comfort you, and turn you into a man-child and I'd rather not become one.
Because you are on the internet, the majority of people who use it as you do have absolutely no social skills and are most likely mentally ill, in very many ways.
You can't take more then a few steps in social games without meeting the most obnoxious autist.
4chan is just like it.
I'm sure you saw the weird outcry on reddit wanting lychton back in. I don't know if that was every other group with their agendas enjoying having an 'incompetent' as figurehead leader or actual members. I very much wanted malanek in charge, at least he seemed to communicate with line members, competent fc and could deal with leadership people. But LOLcoup involvement.
I don't want pure dictatorship with all leadership decisions behind closed doors with the line members moving to their will at the cost of expulsion.
>Since yesterday's thread was such a success let's do another!
you do NOT LEARN
Tell me how they aren't socially awkward or fake nice.
Or tell me how they appear to allow people to do whatever they'd like but would silence anyone going against the status quo.
The complete opposite is what I've come across in eve. Majority (I come across in comms) are generally well adjusted males in the range of 25-35. You will always have people with 'mental issues', be it loud narcissist, generic IT/computer game autist etc. But they from what I hear and experience are not the majority. They very well could be, but they do not represent a majority of the comms or text I come across.
But still your reasoning is flawed you will come across those kinds of people your entire life, so it's not unexpected in a social game.
I've had plenty of experiences otherwise across the whole internet, and I've changed plenty and have a partner, so I know it is not just mirroring things over to others.
They've been in the majority for me, loud, obnoxious, autistic people who can't handle it when someone else doesn't like what they are doing.
I mean, I've met seriously mentally ill people who have been less obnoxious then most internet goers.
It's quite amusing actually.
I played EVE for about a week a few years ago. My computer couldn't handle it well, though, so I got kinda sick of it and went balls out on a PvE mission where I lost everything.
I saw that there was some kinda 3rd person expansion where you run around as your dude on planets and do missions there. That looked kinda neat. Can you also do stuff in space ships? Man the torpedoes while another player pilots, stuff like that?