What are some games that got time travel as right as the Terminator series did?
Hard mode: no OoT
say that to my face not online and see what happens
James Cameron is a fucking hack who panders to the lowest common denominator. He's no better than Spike Lee.
Fuck him for ruining the Alien franchise.
How is he wrong? It is all fantasy that comes down to rule of cool no matter how much you try to explain shit.
There are no ways to do time travel right or wrong. There are only preferences.
Define getting it right
Because the time travel in KH3D is tailor-made to avoid all paradoxes, alt histories or whatever other bullshit time travel stories always do
Best guess is timeshift
Horrible story line decent gameplay though
So does anyone know what was actually supposed to be conveyed by the most recent trailer? Why are there 2 arnies? Why is future John Connor suddenly a terminator? Do they even know what they at the studio?
Final Fantasy VIII
The plot has a lot of dumb shit but the timeline in VIII actually makes sense. Nobody is allowed to change the past because changes made by time travellers already "catch" by the time the present arrives. So the protagonists beat the villain in the future before going back to their time, but because history is set in stone the villain will eventually arise generations into the future again. It is neat.
Self sustained time loop right?
It's been awhile, but there WERE alternate endings so who knows.
I feel like chapter 3 of Braid may or may not count, lol.
Or maybe that game Achron if it ever came out. Though, not sure if I'd call that right, just consistent in how it handles paradoxes.
I'm convinced the only way to do time travel "right" is the stable time loop
Is nearly impossible.
Time messaging would be possible, very simple messages send with particles, but the thing is, you could only send the messages back in the time where the receiver for these messages is already built.
The only way time travel is done "right" is if it's a set timeline. Nothing you do in the past changes anything in the future.
If go to the past to change something, then you never had a reason to go back back in the first place.
Although that does raise the question of if it's possible to change the past if what you changed had nothing to do with your reason for going back.
No, you would just open a different reality and wouldn't even notice it.
Don't be so fucking retarded or pretending to be retarded you morons, it's just a faked photoshop or a guy who had the time and dedication to make these posts.
Yeah, I meant back in time obviously.
Anyway, we would never notice.
Best Villain ever. Nigga's motivations and logic cuts deep. He was a ruthless motherfucker, but he just wanted to go back to his family.
Love it how the eliatropes and all the other fucks manhandle the cube the next season. No one seems to feel for Xelor, not try to find some rationalization for what the cube did to him. He had a hard life, son.
>Idiots are amazed that two incredibly vague statements became true.
It isn't proving shit. It is a simulation design to explain one of the many, many bizarre properties of light.
Someone could make a simulation that "proves" a photon temporarily disappears into hell and it would be as valid as this shit.
I was too, Anon. I was too.
Until I saw that he goes to his family's graves and lays down, turning into dust as he no longer has a reason to live. No drive to sustain him.
Shit was dark, watch the ending credits for that episodo. I'm pretty sure he could have torn Qilby a new asshole.
>He fucking won.
>It was all for nothing.
>Rather than try and try again, killing more magical beigns to extract more Wakfu he simply leaves.
He was based as fuck. The fucking cube ruined his life and that of thousand others, and no one gave a fuck beyond stopping him.
Ohhhh right, I played 999. I haven't played virtue's last reward because I have a 3ds and I heard that possibly for some reason it's only worth playing on the vita. I'm not buying a vita.
Listen to this cucklefuck .
Since no one has actually time traveled no one knows how it works.
Saying something as fact when it is just a hypothesis not even a working one. Just shows how dumb you are.
Stop trying to impress people with your 2nd grader understanding of time travel that you got from watching DBZ.
It looked like shit when they did it to Jeff Bridges in Tron so...I'm gonna say "no I hope not"
I don't if there's much of a difference between the two versions. I watched a 3DS playthrough and the only issue I saw was that the guy recording the game was recording it on a camera and not from something that could emulate it, so the video + audio quality was bad.
Is the vita the better version for gameplay reasons? I have this annoying tendency where I don't like to play something if I know I'm missing out by not playing it under better circumstances. Never played Metro 2033 when I had it for xbox because I know it's better on the pc and my pc couldn't run it, didn't play mother 3 until I got a flash cart and played it on a GBA because I knew emulating it would fuck up the battle combo system, stuff like that.
>Complete fucking morons can't recognize a simple joke
>The only way time travel is done "right" is if it's a set timeline
>gives other people shit for employing their preferred timetravel/universe/causality hypothesis
fuck off chucklecuck
I didn't notice at first but when I rewatched it, it stuck out like a sore thumb at the beginning of the movie. Later on when it's CLU it doesn't matter because he's a program anyway, but I wouldn't wanna rely on it for a whole live-action movie
The vita is the worst version for gameplay reasons, mainly due to the fact that note taking can be incredibly annoying due to no stylus and second screen. It's a god send for the 3ds version. Makes shit so much more enjoyable.
The visuals and sound are better and it is less buggy, despite there only being one bug in the 3ds version which has had a work around patch for it since ages ago.
It doesn't make the least of sense at all compared to all the rest, it's the most plausible, look if you have the possibility to send a message back in time to yourself and do it right now you are still the guy who never got a message earlier in your life, you are the guy who sent the message, you wouldn't know you received the message, you wouldn't change.
Now since the message will arrive never the less there will be a you who get a message from the future.
Yea, but then you stop to think, and it's still bullshit like all other time travel stories.
How and why does Young Xehanort have the ability to travel through time if only someone who does not have a physical body can do so?
How can any of the new Orgy13 travel to the current time period if they could only do so if a current living incarnation of Xehanort needed to be around, and old man Xehanort only fully reappeared after all the new Orgy13 members had gathered?
How did Ansem SoD even figure out he could time travel?
If one cannot change the past, as Master Xehanort said, then what is bringing all these other incarnations of Xehanort from different time periods doing?
yes its perfectly playable and completely fine fartknocker
youre missing out on absolutely nothing by playing the 3ds version over the vita version
just make sure to not save in the PEC room, if the option isnt already blanked out in that room. i have a physical copy and it was blanked out for me
the situation was so out of control by that point that killing himself was the only option. bruce willis was already close to killing tetsuo's mom which makes him grow up into psychic hitler. killing himself served a purpose for the good of someone other than himself, the young version was a nihilistic edgelord remember? it was thematically sound and a perfectly fine end to the movie and closed the time loop.
time travel is usually a clusterfuck in movies but looper handled it well.
Explain why killing himself in the past doesn't just magically fix everything his future self did? Logically, if time travel worked the way the movie presented it as, everything Bruce Willis did never happened now.
>Time travel is shitty because it doesn't exist.
>Time is a dimensional quantity, not a dimension. It posses no memory.
it amazes me how people can claim this to be true, especially considering how absolutely limited our current understanding of how time and space actually functions is
Fair enough, but I'm going to side with what I said until I see evidence for time being more than that. Everything actually works if you consider one more higher dimension existing.
T-800 looks old because the skin ages at a normal rate.
Arnold is literally protecting a younger Sarah Coner, since she was a baby. His skin aged.
Han Solo looks old because Ep VII is happening several years later.
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the movie was fucking horrible. It was two completely separate plot lines that are forced into one another with one line "oh, and some people have telekinesis, parlor tricks".
The movie goes from cheesy shit time travel to FEAR but there is no true explanation why/how.
Separately they could be two decent movies if fleshed out, but smashed together, its shit.
>Explain why killing himself in the past doesn't just magically fix everything his future self did
that's exactly what happened when young joe killed himself. future joe ceased to exist and never killed testuo's mom so he didn't become tetsuo, presumably.
The telekinises thing barely played any part of the story outside the two scenes of the little kid doing it. It was mentioned in the first five minutes just so it wouldn't seem like it comes out of nowhere, but it still feels like it was pulled out someone's ass.
no, there are at least two timelines, possibly infinity. but if young joe dies in any of them he ceases to exist in all of them. all the different versions of old/young joe existed until the specific moment in time where young killed himself in that timeline.
time can't be viewed as explicitly linear for these types of stories to work.
>What are some games that got time travel as right as the Terminator series did?
Why didn't Skynet send two terminators or a T1000 in a repeat attempt to kill pregnant Sarah Connor?
>but if young joe dies in any of them he ceases to exist in all of them.
this isnt true, though
there can be timelines where he doesnt die, unless you mean that old joe cant exist in any timeline where young joe has already died, which is just basic causality
of course its real
some kid made a post and made a note of it
then 4 years later made the next post, saved both images and made them into one
my guess is the date he chose was something like his birthday so he wouldn't forget to make his post
The new Terminator movie looks awful. Like, it actually looks worse than Terminator 3. I wish this series had stayed dead, because the last good thing to come out of it since T2 was a TV show that got canceled on a cliffhanger ending after two seasons.
I can't recall but from what I recall from the spoilers, John turns into a Terminator.
It was a decent enough action movie if you ignore the stupid plot. Odd how it's the only big budget movie (that I know of) willing to have breast inflation though.
At any rate, I think it's safe to say this will be the last Terminator movie. Every studio that has made a Terminator movie has gone out of business, and this will be no different. The franchise is cursed and I don't really see how anyone will want to touch it again if the new movie bombs.
As much as I love Terminator, it is sadly not a franchise with legs the way many of its contemporaries were. It had two good movies, two mediocre ones, and a pretty decent TV show spinoff, but it hasn't actually been popular since the 90s, and every attempt to revive it has only driven that point home.
I liked Terminator 3 when it came out and got plenty of fapping done with the Terminatrix's help, but I saw it on my 16th birthday. When I went back and watched it as an adult it just plain did not hold the same appeal to me as the original two did. It was an alright action movie, but the first two were instant classics. And let's be honest-- everyone in T3 was kind of a jerkish asshole, without nearly enough of the human moments that made you care about the characters in the first two movies. The asshole T-850 from T3 had some great comedy moments, but as a character he was not nearly as memorable or endearing as the more empathetic T-800 from T2.
The prosthetics didn't need to hold up for extended action scenes, so they could make them look as good as possible without needing to with about structural integrity or whatever
>why is Arnold's T-101 aging in different shots?
>why is there a younger T-101 running amok?
>why is John Connor a Terminator?
Not gonna lie, this last trailer hyped me up because of how much of a mindfuck it was
Yeah, Achron came out. It's really good, but MAN, is it hard to grasp.
It's a game where you can lose a fight in the past and then send units from the future to actually ensure they even get built.
It's also a game where I've once seen someone zerg rush his opponent with the Humans, then go back in time and choose one of the other races just to confuse his opponent.
It's completely ridiculous and I'm really bad at it.
I'm pretty sure in the new movie they are just taking a bunch of shortcuts and using CG instead of makeup.
Also, let's not forget that Stan Winston died right after working on T4. He was a master of practical creature effects, and his work is part of what made even the bad Terminator movies special. The new movie does not have him and it shows.
Hell, even the TV show had better makeup effects than the new movie. Their low budget forced them to employ a lot of the same techniques Stan Winston used in the original two movies, and they got people who were passionate about doing makeup the old fashioned way to work on it. The new film makers grew up in the CG generation where you just slap a motion tracker on someone's face and have the computer people do the rest, and they don't even have the budget or resources to do it convincingly.
I'd love to try it but I have no one to play against and suck at RTSs way too much to play something as batshit as that against randoms. And it's probably dead by now. Fuck, I was hype for it before it came out though
Yeah but SKynet made itself from a chip the First Terminator left behind when it died and there's no indication a Convergent Engineering feat would create something exactly like the original Skynet if they tried (Especially since they blew up Cyberdyne).
Skynet as it was shouldn't still exist.
It's not even that. If time in this universe is a line that can be changed then the John Connor we see in T2 and those further in the series can't be the real John Connor. Since Kyle Reese was sent back in time by John then the original had a different father. By sending Kyle back in to protect(and fuck) his mother, the real John Connor pretty much ends his own existence and is replaced by a different person with the same name.
Well, it's an indie RTS that is four years old, so yes, it's pretty dead compared to, say, 3 years ago.
Although there's still people posting on the forums, so it's not super-dead. And the latest update is from November 2014, so you could join the official forums and look around. I definitely recommend it.
Prosthetics and puppets are actually there in the shots, while CG is merely an image. Plus, while I don't know for sure, I like to imagine acting in a movie with CG is harder on the actors, since they need to pretend something is really there, instead of in older films where they can actually see the damn thing.
oh my fucking god
i'm literally freaking the fuck out right now
can anyone confirm this? how did this happen and not get reported on major news? i can't fucking believe it holy shit
For a silly game Magicka had one of the best made time travel plot in games.
I wished they didn't cancelled pic related, it was really entertaining.
Entered the thread just to make sure someone posted it
3 was so fucking horrid, it's hard to compare. Arnold should have never been involved. It should have been some bizarre divergent timeline where the T-1000 and the T-X fight each other instead. That would have been a much more interesting battle. The final battle between the two at the end would have had the T-1000 dropping all pretenses of appearing Human, and becoming some shrieking liquid metal horror.
I think my favorite moment with Achron was when I was in a 2v2 game.
I noticed that my ally was attacking one of our opponents, but my army was, at that moment, faffing about somewhere else.
So, I went back in time about a minute or so, gathered my army and timed it so that we could tear his base apart from two different sides.
Then there's also the super weapons of the three species. The Humans just have a standard nuke, the Vecgir (bipedal insect aliens) have a nuke that, shortly before hitting the target, teleports towards it and the Grekim (weird... things) have a nuke that sends all enemy units in the target radius 30 seconds into the future which is HILARIOUS.
Flamethrowers with digital sights.
The whole thing is a mess.
>Why didn't Skynet send someone/thing back when Sarah was a child?
Maybe it did, and that attempt failed, and set into motion events that caused Sarah's birth that otherwise wouldn't have happened, maybe Sarah is her own grandma.
The later Terminator movies say the future is immutable, everything they did in the Terminator movies with time travel just created unchangeable inevitabilities (DoublesGuy managed to check this 6, allowing him to retcon it, but still)
I can't believe this stupid whore is playing Sarah Connor
was he supposed to be thrown from that bus?
there were no other cars in that shot of the bus rolling, we don't see him fall out the bus, and in the next shot, cars are still going despite there being a big fuck off bus in the middle of the road
If I didnt know that these are hollywood actors I would have have thought that some amateur took his friends to a parking lot, gave them toy guns and told them "make an angry face" while taking pictures then did some basic photoshop shit.
Terminator 3 had the right ideas but a terrible execution. The idea of a femme fatale as a terminator abusing her charms to get her job done was awesome. The actress sadly tried too hard and felt corny most of the time. Is an alright action movie, but god, it ruins a lot of things within the terminator universe.
>first shot his head crashed through the lower section of the windshield
>second shot his head crashed through the middle section of the windshield
also that's not how windshields break, when are hollywood going to get them right
>Terminator 2 tells us the future is ours to make, a fine uplifting message from a gloomy atmosphere film
>Terminator 3 says LOL NO
I never really understood HBO, Starz, etc. The nudity always seems shoehorned in. And you'll get called a Puritan if you complain about it, but I feel like it's just included to be as edgy as possible. It's like porn for people who don't know where to get porn. I've never seen a show in which a five-minute sex scene with bouncing titties had anything substantive to offer aside from teenage boners.
Well that brings some happiness to my once jaded heart. Either Cameron reboots the series back to T2 with a new film that he is producing and writing, or he puts the series on ice. Either outcome will make me happier than what's been happening to the series ever since he left it.
It literally blows my mind that people actually think that primer is complicated or clever.
It's a completely standard timetravel plot made to seem complex and mysterious with vague dialogue and story gaps.
Then again, people apparently needed maps to understand source code, so maybe people are just really fucking stupid after all?
They actually got that idea from a Terminator novel written by S.M. Sterling. In it the female Terminator was more biological and had more humanity so that she could use her femininity to infiltrate, seduce, and lower people guards. No built in weapons and liquid metal skin though. She was really just a terminator who could think more like a human. She was still tough though because they mess her up pretty bad, but her robotic components keep her going.
Can't even afford the guy a jacket of his size.
Jesus christ, it's awful. He probably appeared in the studio that day with that shirt and jeans and they just went along with it.
>but it hasn't actually been popular since the 90s, and every attempt to revive it has only driven that point home.
The franchise still has legs, the problem is that the people making the films are absurdly incompetent and don't understand what audiences like(d) about the franchise.
3 was a pretty good example of why the new-model hollywood action film style shouldn't be rammed into older franchises and the general lack of creativity and banking on nostalgia that typifies most reboots these days.
However, 4's interpretation of the end war, compared to the original scenes pretty much the perfect representation of how badly hollywood is missing the point right now and trying to make transformers/superhero movies at every opportunity, no matter the source material.
Best time travel game right here
this has to be the best timetravel movie i've seen
Timesplitters did not even remotely try and get time travel right. Time travel is fucking stupid anyway. Going back in time won't fucking change anything unless you go to another timeline, because news flash everything in the present has already taken the past into account.
If it's a new timeline then you left a fucked up timeline anyway.
I must be the only one who liked salvation. Ever since the into to T2 i wanted a movie revolving around the war. I didn't get a big battle but it was better than nothing. Same reason i liked this game.
it's not timeline it's character interactions
also this game has a cool section where you get sent to the future where skynet won and is terraforming the planet and you have to fight your way into skynet central and use the time-machine to go back.
i liked this one better
man, i remember playing terminator games. fucking glorious. why are there not more games like that, i mean why have a dude who can bullet sponge because videogame as opposed to a fucking robotman who can bulletsponge because FUCKYOUIMAROBOTMAN. plus then you can do mad strength feats
I'd like to see someone try a skynet terminator original sent back to kill a high value target but eventually ends up questioning why they are doing what they are doing and whether their future is even one worth preserving by killing this guy so the resistance doesn't happen or some shit.
I really liked that it was set in the war, but it felt it was necessary for the plot of the series.
>let's introduce this character never mentioned in any other movie just to kill him at the end.
But still it was better than 3 IMO.
>see some guy warning you in the beginning when you enter a building
>guy dies before telling you what you shouldn't do
>you travel back in time trying to warn yourself of what you're about to do
>you die before getting the chance to tell yourself
literally shat myself when i replayed it since i didn't pay much attention during the first playthrough
Calling salvation a terminator war movie would be like calling a guy dancing to gangnam style a historical reenactment of the charleston.
Nothing about the movie's atmosphere, plot, characters, scope etc. has anything in common with the original scenes filmed by Cameron. The end war is supposed to be about humans hanging on by their nails to survival of the species and trying to fight with scavenged weapons and hide in tunnels from relentless, towering tanks.
Salvation was essentially a Z grade CGI fest mix up of mad max film with transformers.
I don't see how anyone could possibly think that it was a decent representation of Jameron's original vision, let alone a good terminator film or action movie.
Being set in the way doesn't really conflict with the first two movies' philosophies (because obviously the Skynet future would have to still exist for it to be still sending guys back into the past). So it's alright.
He'll probably just sit on it forever. Won't be soon since he's making at least 3 Avatar movies first.
Everything else Terminator reboots from T2. The only thing that might not have was Salvation. Supposedly it was connected to the TSCC show, but seems we'll never know since the trilogy bombed and the showrunners never put out the story planned for the show.
Still been avoiding it but my GF really wants me to watch it. I just remember after Cameron did that ocean documentary or whatever he announced all 3 at once. Pretty far out too, they were announced at least 2 years back now, and aren't coming for a couple more.
>as right as the Terminator series
They seriously couldn't even keep their time travel logic consistent between the first and second movies. After that it became even more of a stupid clusterfuck.
i think the point of Marcus was to show that the timeline is changing. Skynet already knew kyle reese was johns dad before making time-travel. And now we have to deal with all the shit that comes with that.
I went in wanting that movie to be fantastic but it only had two scenes that really interested me.
When they first discover the machine time travels and when the guy sees his double for the first time.
>What else is there to do?
The films aren't about plot, they're about cameron getting SFX guys to create wildlife and plants modeled from deep sea creatures.
Did I mention that the next one is set near/in the ocean?
>You get the seed
>Groose is near a spot saying it would be neat if there was a tree there
>Go to the past
>Groose is admiring the now fully grown tree wondering how long it's been there
It's weird because later on you find out the peaceful present still existing is caused by you stopping Demise from reawakening in the past.
1st movie works on the time loop idea that nothing can be changed and history is set in stone, 2nd movie has them destroy Skylab's research and the guy most credited for Judgement Day gets killed, altering the future and creating a number of paradoxes. 3rd movie just goes "lol you changed things but you can't stop it just because".
fuck that game
>playing SS but not really enjoying it
>groose finds a seed and plants it with awesome music playing
>"omg is that the fucking deku tree hes planting? right on Nintendo!"
>turns out its just some shitty tree
I mean I guess it's fine if you accept it as a time line split akin to OoT's plot but if it's on one time line then it makes no sense for the tree to not be there in the future and then show up after you plant it in the past, If you did it in the past then it should have already happened and the tree should be there.
I always thought the kikwi evolved into kokiri, I mean, they are in the same place in the map, in a forest and their names are very similar. So that would mean this fatty would turn into the deku tree.
Anyone have that one picture of the colonel that had an actually well thought out speech regarding his point of view (You monkeys will be out here while we'll be conquering the stars, etc) that always kills me because of what could have been? I lost my hard-drive a few months ago and don't have it anymore.
>3rd movie just goes "lol you changed things but you can't stop it just because".
The third film has a lot of faults, but this is not one of them.
By stopping skynet in the 90s, they only postponed the development of an AI program that could control America's nuclear program and if anything, they made skynet much stronger thanks to the vastly advances in computing and robotic tech since the 90s.
They kind of fucked in calling the new system skynet though, but I guess the name is cool and brand recognition and all of that.
Also, why the fuck would a rogue AI that escaped onto the internet decide to destroy all of the computers and infrastructure that make the internet possible? Wouldn't it want the meatbags to keep maintaining and growing the internet as much as possible to improve its computing power?
Other people have pointed out some dumb things about Looper, but one I rarely see people bring up is the fact that the timeline Bruce Willis was from never had a Bruce Willis on the run, so no one ever killed the kid's mom trying to kill him, so he would have been raised normally. So Joseph Gordon Levitt's plan to kill himself to prevent that from happening really has no effect, that kid's going to end up evil anyway.
>Why are there 2 arnies?
There are more than one Arnie-type Terminators. The older Arnie was sent way back to the past to protect a younger Sarah Connor and apparently raised her with knowledge about the future. The younger Arnie is the same one from the 1984 Terminator.
Basically, Genesys fucks up the canon of all the previous Terminator films in order to milk out a once relevant movie franchise.
>They kind of fucked in calling the new system skynet though, but I guess the name is cool and brand recognition and all of that.
>Also, why the fuck would a rogue AI that escaped onto the internet decide to destroy all of the computers and infrastructure that make the internet possible? Wouldn't it want the meatbags to keep maintaining and growing the internet as much as possible to improve its computing power?
That's the point though. If it's in a secure location as a physical construct then it has a reason to protect itself. As the internet it's pretty much killing itself through nuclear annihilation. Not to mention Skynet like everything else in terminator is a pardox, it created itself through giving Dyson technology from the future. Without it it could be decades before something came even close to being SKynet and like you said it wouldn't be called fucking Skynet.
Reminder that time travel is literally impossible.
Someone will have always gone back in time to destroy the time machine/end production of it at some point, which means time travel could never exist.
Even though it's a visual novel YU-NO is probably still one the best to do time travel with parallel worlds to explain the going back in time paradox.
It's also one of the earliest games to do it (being released before Xenogears).
The epilogue was a bit rushed but overall it's still one of the best visual novels despite it being almost 20 years old.
I wish someone would use the same concept to make a modern game in an adventure genre style.
They are remaking YU-NO though.
They literally said "Judgement Day cannot be stopped, only postponed", meaning its supposed to be some unavoidable event that will always happen even if you drastically alter the timeline. Also T-800s are destined to look like Arnold no mater what I guess. They give no reason for this, its obviously just the explanation they needed to justify another movie after the events of the second one.
This was the only reference they had to compare him to.
I liked Redemption, from what I played. I should pick it up from the used game shop next time I see it.
Was this one like a survival horror game? I heard it delves into the pre-Terminator 1 future mythology a bit.
I was surprised out how much in depth they tried to explain the time travel aspects in this game.
I spent around an hour just listening to one of the characters explain it.
Linked the video to start at 45:35 but doesn't seem to start at that time if you open it here.
>He'll probably just sit on it forever. Won't be soon since he's making at least 3 Avatar movies first.
I would be OK with James Cameron just sitting on the rights. If he intended for it to be finished after T2, then I will be happy to see the rights back with him where no-one can screw with his baby again.
On the other hand though, deep down I want to see what James Cameron's version of Terminator 3 would have been like. I have no idea if he'll ever make it, but part of me can't help but imagine that he's got a script hidden away somewhere and he's just waiting for all the pieces to fall into place. Maybe he's even waiting for a director he can trust to do it for him while he sits in the producer's chair.
They might as well had just brought back Edward Furlong again if they were going to cast someone that ugly. It's not like he's doing much these days.
Honestly, cloning Quarrich is the only thing that could get me interested in the sequel. He was the only character in Avatar that I felt like rooting for by the time it was over, because he is a certified BAMF who gives zero shits. Jake was a race traitor, and the entire battle at the end was his fault because he completely forgot to do his fucking job (which was to politely suggest to the Na'vi that they relocate).
>On the other hand though, deep down I want to see what James Cameron's version of Terminator 3 would have been like. I have no idea if he'll ever make it, but part of me can't help but imagine that he's got a script hidden away somewhere and he's just waiting for all the pieces to fall into place. Maybe he's even waiting for a director he can trust to do it for him while he sits in the producer's chair.
Nah. He actually wrote T2 with a more conclusive ending, but the theatrical version of the movie ended up with a vaguer ending so they could milk out the series. Cameron only allowed T3 to be made so that Arnie could've a paycheck, but he basically treats the post-T2 movies as fanfic.
I like how they tried to get the scars to match.
The kind of actor you get when half your budget was spent on bringing back a geriatric Arnold Schwarzenegger.
Seriously, after this movie I'd better not hear any of you shits complaining about Harrison Ford in Star Wars Episode VII again. Seeing him as a 30+ years aged Han Solo is already lot more convincing than whatever bullshit they came up with for why Arnold Schwarzenegger is still playing an ageless cyborg 30 years later.
I understand why they can't hire this guy because he's a junkie.
But why no linda hamilton?
I'd like to see them just branch out and do other stories in the universe using different characters. Nothing about Terminator says that you always have to focus on John, Sarah, and Arnie. But I suppose that's not how Hollywood works. Side story stuff would work better in comics, games, or TV shows for something like Terminator.
Any movies will always be compared to the originals or considered reboots.
>WHERE ARE MY ROBOTS?
They should have just said this Arnie was the human the previous Terminators were based off of or something. Nothing in the old movies or any EU has ever said dick about aging.
>Raziel, you must understand, our presence here doesn't alter history. You and i meet here because we are compelled to, we have always met here. History is irredeemable. Drop a stone into a rushing river, the current simply courses around it and flows on as if the obstruction were never there. You and I are pebbles, Raziel, and have even less hope of disrupting the time-stream. The continum of history is simply too strong, too resilient.
That would have been so much easier. There was even a (non-canon) bonus scene on the T3 DVD where they suggested that the 101 model was based off of a US Army officer. If he was still alive in the future then he'd be a grizzled old man, and that would have been a lot more believable.
Hell in T3 they actually used digital makeup to make Arnold look younger like he did in T2. I know the movies never stated outright that the terminators' exteriors do not age and deteriorate, but seeing the terminator as a fairly constant character throughout the series was always cool. He's supposed to be a machine and I don't want to see him as an old man.
>time travel movie
>protagonists don't just travel to an alternate universe where the thing they're looking to solve has either already been solved or never occurred and their counterparts in that universe have just died
Maybe I was tricked by the use of higher vocabulary in every other sentence, but LoK really does feel like the closest thing to a novel-like story in vidya while still playing completely like a game.
She didn't want to come back to T3 because how hard it was to get into Sarah shape. And I think she didn't want to deal with the franchise anyways being Cameron's ex. I know he wasn't really involved with 3 but it was probably a memories thing.
Plus, they wrote this for a young Sarah so they can get Thrones girl in there. It was beyond obvious they were going for lazy free publicity when they announced both a GoT star AND a Doctor Who star.
But terminator did it terribly. In the first it was a self closing loop, in the second they altered the timeline. They changed the rules between the movies to suit the narrative. That's horrible writing
In the new one, Skynet sent a Terminator further back to kill Sarah as a child, and the resistance sends a T-800 back then to save her. Her parents die, and the Terminator acts as a surrogate father and raises her. That's the justification for old-ass Arnie in this one. It's dumb, since then it just opens up the question of why Skynet doesn't just keep sending Terminators further and further back to eliminate members of the Connor family tree, ensuring future ones aren't born, or born in a way that doesn't impede Skynet's takeover.
Eh, we don't know if it was a closed loop as they never actually discuss time travel's rules outside of the physical requirements and some stuff in TSCC. It's pretty much guaranteed to be a mess.
This whole movie is going to be one big fustercluck on the Terminator mythology. I don't even know if it can be considered canon at this point. As an anon above said, the rights for the Terminator franchise revert back to James Cameron in 2018 due to some IP law, so whatever random ass studio currently has the rights is just shitting out the most spectacularly retarded Terminator film they could think of to make a quick buck.
The only reason I will watch this film is just to see how bad it is. It will be torrented, of course, because I don't want to reward the mentality that produces shit like this. And I will have to have a lot of beer.
That doesnt make sense seeing as he's the biblical Kain and could have removed entire empires from the pages of (in-story) history. He's an immortal of great and terrible power. If you kill one man maybe another replaces them, but what if a fledgling Damascus, Athens, or Rome is just purged from the map by a being with nearly infinite materials, manpower and knowledge? What if you kill every pharaoh and force the Egyptians to stop believing in their gods in 3000 BCE?
Don't quote me on this as this is the first I'm learning of this movie being made, but that dude is probably Kyle Reese because he's wearing the same outfit Kyle had from the original movie.