is this supposed to be satire of the real life situation? If so, its off by a few points. Have Beth spend lots of time and effort on making content for people who expect it for free for some reason, then have her ask for money.
>>292037562 >beth spending lots of time and effort making content the entire point is that someone's making it, getting very little of the purchase price for it, while beth and the valve are profiting greatly. How about just adding an option to donate to the mod's creator? I'm fine with that. I'm not gonna give valve money for content they had no hand in creating though. It's why I don't buy games on steam anymore, they take way too large of a cut from indies.
>>292038158 >making 25% more than they used to >can now churn out bullshit for free cash instead of working on a big project with love and care because all they would get was notoriety and maybe donations No, they're jewing.
>>292038061 they make a percent of the profit having their work get distributed on the most popular platform for this sort of thing. You're delusional if you think they'd even make half of what they would make if they stuck to donations or if nexusmods (a shit site that requires sign up to download mods) paid them.
I don't see whats wrong with charging for mods no matter how small. In almost every game I play already I pay for individual weapons to use or dlc to unlock more things? I honestly don't see whats wrong with this.
How funny still no one to share on piratebay the game call Turbo Dismount with undreds of mods and maps for free... Now if Steam policy is going to change, grab all those mods and share for free before we can buy that shit. Long Live Piracy!
>>292039670 The problem is that Bethesda and Valve are making money off other people's work. Not only that, but if there're any mods being sold that violate copyright of another company, Valve will be the ones who end up getting sued. Galaxy is looking better by the day.
Because let us say that DLC adds professional content like Anno 2070 Deep Sea or something. Paying for mods will lead to giant influx of shit being put into games where it will cake up. Sure no one would buy it unless it is ironically, But it will still cake up.
I only pay for DLC if it is the only way and if it lives up to extending the game. If mods do the same, Good. But for armour and such? It's bullshit.
Next thing going to happen is mods on you can see serverside on a multiplayer game.
To be fair Patreon is used so that the content creator can hopefully use funds from fans to live off of his content, so that (ideally, i'm sure lazy fucks take advantage of it) instead of sacrificing time at other jobs they can work on their content full-time for a better, more frequent product.
Again, ideally it'd be funding good artists so that they can produce even better art, but what blows is that a lot of it boils down to leading lowest common denominator masses into giving asshats five digits a month to stagnate lazily
>>292040885 With that note and everything going down with that fishing mod do you think I could get away with putting FNIS and SKSE up and charging for it? Then modders would have to pay me to make mods. Sounds ingenious to me
>>292040949 >>292041004 Nothing yet, just uploading and getting everything set up. If I link anything here you spergs will spam my page and I'll be caught. My idea is that the usual tards that use workshop will be none the wiser. Jesus christ could you imagine if minecraft was up on steam with a workshop. I would be rolling in dosh.
>>292041435 Never said I'd made any money yet, just that I was uploading them to sell. Also downloading mods for other bethesda games and holding onto them when they inevitable bring this to fallout. Derp
>yfw Valve and devs add workshop support for older games >older games such as Morrowind and New Vegas get workshops >mods get taken down for them and added to the workshop >pretty soon there will be no free mods on the internet This is the end mates.
>>292041603 Another scam I have made money off of however is whenever a new game comes out I'll go on pirate forums, facebook and torrent sites then post adfly links in the comments claiming its a crack download. I used to just like to shock sites or gore but recently I've been uploading fake files locked behind surveys that I get monies for if they complete.
Make probably 800 a month from that. Not much but added ontop of my paycheck its a tidy little sum for little to no work.
There's nothing wrong with it. It's a bit taboo since mods have always been free. The large issues revolve around the Valve and Beth receiving a larger amount of money, copyright and permission issues, and scum bags stealing actual author's mods and selling them on the workshop for stolen profit. There's also the fact this has divided the modding community a bit, which heavily relies on group cooperation and collaboration.
>>292041934 My skyim took literally months to get it running stable. It had well over 500+ mods, now many of which require each other to work. Now I can't even run the game without being told to pay for my shit. No I'm not being forced to pay for them, unless I actually want to play the game I spent hundreds of hours perfecting. But it's ok, no one is FORCING me to buy them right?
>>292039862 Just because you spend time on something doesn't mean you're entitled to money "by default". Patreon and consorts have set this weird idea into people's heads that you can really do whatever you want, you "deserve" money for it as long as you spend time on something. Because I guess if you're popular, there will always be people who are willing to pay your bills so you can keep doing funny youtube videos or whatever the fuck.
But that's not how it works. Fuck that. When you ask money for software, which is infinitely recreatable, and the distribution and "manufacturing" of which don't cost you a single cent, I'm not paying for the fact that you at some point put work into it. This isn't me paying out your "investment". I'm shelling out for a digital *service* here. And I expect quality control. I expect customer support. I expect a *guarantee* that I will actually GET the service for fucks sake, none of which you're obligated or even only ABLE to provide.
So don't give me this entitlement shit when people say the "payed mod" model is bullshit. I'm not your fucking employer, I'm not paying you for your "work". I don't give a fuck about what you do in your spare time. I pay money for what I actually *get*, and with mods on the steam workshop, what I get is FUCK ALL.
>he's a modder >on the internet >on a DRM Platform >he does it for 25 % >he takes his "job" very seriously >he does it because it is the only amount of power & control he will ever have in his pathetic life >he deletes mods on nexus because he needs to "pay his bills" >he will never have a real job >he will never work for a dev >he will never be at a healthy weight >he will never know how to code anything that isn't a "sword" >he will never have a girlfriend >he will never get his 100 dollars
>>292041735 I'm fairly confident this won't happen, because Bethesda has dropped support for those games and therefore can't be put on the workshop. However if these paid mods take off I can see Bethesda continuing support and putting their old games on the Workshop
>>292042285 How are you being forced to pay for said mods? I've seen people mention this numerous times, in different ways, I have yet to see prove of people being forced to buy the mods that they already have installed.
>>292040618 Okay just so I get this straight - are you telling me this guy has a free version of his mod, which gives you fucking INGAME POPUPS when you cast spells with it, advertising the payed version of the mod?
Woah. I don't even know what to say. Thanks gabe, for singlehandedly destroying the mod scene in only 2 days time. Amazing work. Absolutely, uttery amazing.
>>292037962 Yeah, seriously, fuck off. Modders who expect money can shove a fucking stake in their ass. That's like me making a fanfiction which requires you to own the original content the fanfic was based off of, other fanfics, and then have the gall to charge 2.99 for it. You're an idiot, the community does not want to pay for your shit, if you have a problem with that you can stop modding at any time, you fucking idiot. Go make something original and worth paying for.
All I see in these threads, are people over reacting.
Mods used to be free, and the creators of said mod now have the option to make some profit from the mod by selling it. How is this a big deal? If the modder wants to make some profit from his work, so be it. You either buy it, or you don't, doesn't fucking matter.
The only thing I'd be against, is people selling bug fixes, that's just bullshit and hopefully it doesn't happen.
>>292043237 Source mods are already on life support, the worst that happened to them was they went "Indie", stripping out all the valve content with their own and selling them, all of these are dead games for the most part.
>>292042980 Don't cry like a bitch when the community you're trying to jew money from calls you out on your bullshit. Obviously I'm not buying mods. You're shitting on the floor and then telling anyone who doesn't want shit on the floor "well just don't stand on it!"
>>292043408 It was a lot of fun though. Sure banshee spamming ZMs were always bad but a good ZM brought the game together for everyone.
That's besides the point. What I meant was, now that selling mods is a thing (valve will handle the legals, distribution and end user comfort), mods like I listed before have no reason to be free, other than being too shit to sell I guess.
>>292043597 >The only thing I'd be against, is people selling bug fixes, that's just bullshit and hopefully it doesn't happen.
this is what worries me the most, there is literally no incentives for companies to release official bugfixes when they can just let some eager modder do it while getting money from it. They probably disguise it as 'helping out the little man!'
>>292043802 It is actually a big deal. Mods were created for the community and their creators never expected to be compensated, and did they care? Hell no they didn't, they just kept making mods. Now that this paid mod crap popped up, people are slowly going to think that this will become the standard. Remember horse armor?
>>292043545 >I am a font of infinite time, creativity, and patience
i doubt it >>292043802 Have fun stepping in shit, since I guarantee there'll be few, if any, mods worth paying any amount of money for. I also guarantee that there'll be tons of cashgrab mods. Get ready for an influx of individual swords, retextures, and followers, each costing 50c. I've got 161 mods in skyrim alone, if each one cost 50c that would cost 80.5 dollars. Skyrim costed 60 bucks on release, I got it on pc for 7.50.
Gaben: Watch your tone with me, Anon. You may be the cash cow, but I'm still your beloved meme.
Anon: As if I could forget. Listen, Gaben, there's something about the mods you should know. Oh no. It's too late. These people have all been infected. They may look fine now, but it's a matter of time before they turn into the unpaid.
Anon: This entire workshop must be purged.
Gaben: How can you even consider that? Shekels must be made, there's not other way.
Anon: Damn it, Gaben. As your future costumer, I order you to purge this workshop.
Gaben: You are not my customer yet, boy. Nor would I obey that command if you were!
Anon: Then I must consider this an act of treason.
Gaben: Treason? Have you lost your mind, Anon?
Anon: Have I? Lord Gaben, by my rights over my wallet, I hereby relieve you from your dominion over me and refuse to buy more hats from you.
Nexus: Anon, you can't just...
Anon: It's done! Those of you who have the will to save the modding community, follow me. The rest of you, valvedrones... get out of my sight.
Gaben: You've just crossed a terrible threshold, Anon.
>At least their getting something! they got nothing before! >Be Cuck >Wife fucks BBC and forces me to watch >Suddenly she now gives me a handjob after she's done with Tyrone >At least i'm getting something! I got nothing before!
>>292044818 I expect the game to not need bugfixes. It was made by professionals. When I do my job I make sure that I don't splice in any pictures of cocks into the footage, I expect devs to make sure I don't fall through the fucking floor or never unrender objects until the game crashes.
>>292044818 >So what you're saying is that developers should invest more of their times to fix bugs and glitches in the game... for free? >entitled as fuck From this post I can literally hear gaben's semen dripping down your face onto the keyboard. Did you try to swallow? Did you beg him to rape your mouth again? If your eyes weren't so full of his cum you might have been able to see how retarded you sound. Hope you enjoy paying $100 just to make your game barely playable.
If they have integrity for actually finishing a project...Yes. Yes I DO THINK THEY SHOULD FIX THE FLAWS OF THE GAME IN ORDER TO COMPLETE IT TO THEIR ORIGINAL VISION AND THE BUG-FREE STANDARD EXPECTED OF EVERY OTHER GAME, REGARDLESS OF WHETHER OR NOT THEY SOLD IT OFF ALREADY.
Okay, for all you retards (probably from reddit) who don't understand the major complaints with the system:
THE BAD SHIT:
>Valve takes a gross percentage. 75% goes to other people, you make only 25% when you do all the work >Valve refuses to moderate or quality control products THEY CHARGE MONEY FOR. >Valve only offers a 24 hour return, this has many problems, including: *Updates that break mods down the line. These mods may need to be fixed, but the modder has no reason to do so. They also may be unable to fix it if tools and coding change. *Mods that have conflicts down the line. Two mods may work, but one mod updates and breaks the other. You're shit out of luck because Valve refuses to help you. *Mods that cause technical problems with the games down the line, such as causing memory leaks, save bloat, or corruption of save files. Valve does not care. >There is rampant theft going on, people downloading mods from other sites and putting them up as their own and charging money. Valve refuses to do anything about this currently. >There are people making mods, charging for them, and only promising to finish them. Valve does not care about this either. >Valve is allowing people to sell mods that require other mods. You may pay $5 for a mod, and it will not work unless you purchase another mod. If the mod author doesn't list this, and you don't get your 24 hour refund, you're out of luck. >Valve is allowing people to sell mods that require expansions/other DLC without putting some sort of warning. You may purchase DLC and a few days later get to it (if say, its a quest) only to realize that it doesn't work because you need official DLC.
Most people are not opposed to the idea of modders making money. They are opposed to valve's system because of the above. This is NOT for the sake of the modders. This is simply a money fleecing scheme to get dollars out of every facet of PC gaming.
If they wanted to support modders, they'd use a donation button.
>>292045980 Nope. You can have it go directly into your bank account. People have been going around saying a lot of uninformed stuff about this. You also don't have to make $400 to start seeing money, but a $100 minimum that will be given to you at the end of the month and if you don't reach it, it'll carry over to the next month meaning you're not losing money.
The only problem I see with this is it'll just make developers lazier when it comes to making games. They can capitalize off the modders to make their games essentially. Shitty textures a simple patch can fix? Fuck that. We can make money off the person who's willing to spend their free time to do it for us at a fraction of what it would cost to pay one of our staff. Modders will be their undocumented workers and the people making these games will eventually lose their jobs as they can outsource the work to the modding community.
>>292047189 >Valve takes a gross percentage. 75% goes to other people, you make only 25% when you do all the work You're using their service to distribute your mod, which also uses a developer's IP. >Valve refuses to moderate or quality control products THEY CHARGE MONEY FOR. Once I actually start seeing this, I will agree that it's bullshit, I won't jump to conclusions without sufficient evidence. >There is rampant theft going on, people downloading mods from other sites and putting them up as their own and charging money. Valve refuses to do anything about this currently. This is bullshit and I agree, hopefully there will be counter measures implemented.
The rest of the point, hopefully regulation will make it work out in the end, but for now I can agree that it's also bullshit.
>>292042174 > >There's also the fact this has divided the modding community a bit, which heavily relies on group cooperation and collaboration. >modders already taking down their work so it won't be abused >mods subject to copyright which hinders collaboration and freeflow of information Valve already won.
>>292040283 Exactly. People were modding as a hobby, insisting they're now entitled to money for that is ridiculous. The real issue though and the one Valve wants everyone to forget about is that they were known for hiring up all the good mods teams. This is ultimately just them showing they won't do that anymore and you'll have to go elsewhere. I'm sure the people making mods are too busy paying attention to this shit to realise that everything they've been working towards is gone. Everyone said Valve would hire the Black Mesa guys, instead they sold them tools to make it by themselves. The team were idiots to think they'd get hired but this is the final nail in that coffin, now no one will. Have fun making $12 a year off your mods though.
It is a big deal when several of the mods that were for sale had assets made by other modders who aren't getting a cut of the extremely small check.
Not to mention that these mods also all require SKSE and the creators of that aren't getting anything either.
Aaaaand they all have SkyUI integration and the creator of that isn't getting anything.
Are you starting to see the problem here? The Skyrim modding community is so fucking tightly knit that a modder selling their mod isn't just selling their mod, they are selling their mod that is chuckful of assets that are now considered STOLEN. This shit isn't fucking cool man.
>you should be paying money to ford every time you fill in the gas tank >after all, you're using their assembled cars to go from home to work and make money that way
>>292048787 >you should be paying money to exxon mobil every time you fill up the gas tank of your ford on top of the initial price they set, and do not forget that you have to pay your share to ford as well, because you're using their cars >you don't have the right to complain, you're just entitled, you are a man baby >you probably also hate women
>>292049481 >you can't complain about the new situation! because before, you didn't get anything! so you will shut up and spread those ass cheek now, the mafia has come to town to take over it and none of you will complain because we're offering you money now! you just gotta have to take it deep in the ass >it won't hurt, we'll use lube
Exactly, if you aren't just making a weapon pack or armor set from scratch chances are you are probably going to be using shit made by someone else and this has always been cool but now with money involved it is very uncool.
To Chesko's credit it seems that he has taken down that fishing mod mentioned in that exchange but that doesn't excuse those faggots Isoku and volvaga0 that made Wet and Cold.
They have assets created by over 15 different modders in their mod, and they seem to refuse to respond to people about it.
Is a modder entitled to the sweat of his mod? "No!" Says the member on nexus is belongs to the players "no" says the /v/-video games it belongs for free "No" says the consumer it belongs game files I chose I another choice, I choose Steam Workshop. Where the modder need not be restricted by the players
>>292037876 if the price is too high the market will decide.
if some modders release their swords for free people will surely flock to those, it just seems odd to be against the entire principle of being paid for your work, surely its up to the person creating the work to decide how they make it available.
the way valve have implemented this thing is super shitty and they shouldnt be taking a 75% cut, and the way people are making a quick buck by uploading other peoples mods as their own is also really shitty, but it seems like lots of people on 4chan are suddenly angry about modders selling their own work.
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