GABE NEWELL IS AT PLEBBIT RIGHT NOW TALKING ABOUT PAID MODS
>Well, if we are censoring people, that's stupid. I'll get that to stop. On top of it being stupid, it doesn't work (see Top Gear forums on Jeremy Clarkson).
>entire thread is a shitfest of gabe trying to calm things down without answering most questions
>Our goal is to make modding better for the authors and gamers. If something doesn't help with that, it will get dumped. Right now I'm more optimistic that this will be a win for authors and gamers, but we are always going to be data driven.
No, you greedy shit. Your goal is to make money. Atleast be honest with it.
he is not yet adressing really important points or is just giving realy shallow PR answers for that.
only good substantial answer so far was that " he will stop censoring comments"
pic related: how to answer without answering.
>it's to support the modding community :)
>that's why we're forcing modders to use our absolute shit service that nobody used before, and why we're removing links to donation and patreon pages for modders, and why we're giving the modders 25% of what they make :)
why are you even trying?
Are they going to monitor mods for stolen content? Will they do a good job like with Greenlight?
>Hand me the free version of that mod and I'll remove the ads and re-upload within 5 minutes.
What's stopping people from downloading the unpadi version and commenting out the popup code.
Are these "new mods" encrypted or something.
how is he going to defend them banning mod creators who post links to donation sites and patreon?
how is he going to defend them banning people who link to the petition to get this shit removed?
how is he going to defend them forcing people to use steam workshop, the hands-down absolute worst way to manage mods?
why would I ever buy anything related to valve again when I can get it on GOG without the bullshit?
>Let's assume for a second that we are stupidly greedy. So far the paid mods have generated $10K total. That's like 1% of the cost of the incremental email the program has generated for Valve employees (yes, I mean pissing off the Internet costs you a million bucks in just a couple of days). That's not stupidly greedy, that's stupidly stupid.
>You need a more robust Valve-is-evil hypothesis.
>/v/ GOT BTFO
/v/ GOT BTFO
>/v/ GOT BTFO
/v/ GOT BTFO
>/v/ GOT BTFO
stop fucking crying about gaben using reddit instead of 4chan.
first of all you should not measure penis with other, completely different, sites.
second: Reddit is a place where it is possible to for hundred of people to ask question to him. look at how the most important question popped up really high.
what would happen if gaben got on /v/? fun. but certainly not a good place to ask him questions especially when people are angry at him.
4chan is better for common anonymous folks to share uncensored opinions.
You could call him a slave for profits, but he will be less of a slave than the people who will actually buy mods.
>inb4 people won't
DayZ, early access, kickstarter
But really, what do you expect? I doubt Valve would've advertised the new system on the store's front page and along with a sale on mods without Gabe's go-ahead. He was obviously a part of this and he won't just back down so easily.
>we are always going to be data driven
theorically based, practically the data being used might be how much they will gain and few thousand is alays more than 0.
WANNA KNOW OUR ONLY CHANCE?
making him realize how that destroying mod communities is bad PR.
>want to stop using Steam
>all of my friends use it and it's too convenient as a messenger tool
Does he always pull this shit? This is the same shit as "haha we don't care about your porn history haha but we'll snoop around your computer anyway :D i'm so funny and obese"
Did he really post that? Does he really think we're stupid enough to believe a few thousand emails cost their company one million dollars in the year two thousand fucking fifteen?
Yes, let's assume.
How do normies put up with reddit?
Reading and navigating through this is a fucking mess.
>implying i'm buying in gabe's damage control
fuck off, steam is terrible nowadays.
Why does everyone agree with:
>People mod games for the love of the game and not to make money from it.
But aren't necessary against:
>People make video games, movies, software, etc. to make money from it
It's pretty much a double standard; would entertainment in general be better if we lived in an anti-capitalist society?
>scum bag gets caught trying to completely rape the market place and screw gaming for all eternity
>scum bag shows up only after over half his mods get rejected and taken down due to BEING FUCKING ILLEGAL AS FUCK to even sell in the first place
>piece of shit scum bag only here to save face after fucking TRYING TO KILL GAMERS
what in the FUCK. this guy needs to be fucking crucified. this is fucking BULLSHIT. the gaming press and he is going to act like what he tried to fucking do is fine. FUCK . THAT. this piece of shit needs to be taken down a peg. fucking destroy him. GO ON THERE AND FUCKING TEAR HIM A NEW ASSHOLE
>Your goal is to make money. Atleast be honest with it.
That's what "data driven" means. He's monitoring the number of how much cash he gets and doesn't give a fuck.
>Valve loves mods
LOL. They banned all free playermade mods in that game months ago.
>Hi Gabe, Robin, owner of Nexus Mods here.
>Can you make a pledge that Valve are going to do everything to prevent, and never allow, the "DRMification" of modding?
>Not answered yet.
Let's add some context to that.
Wealth, fame, power.
Gold Gaben, the King of the Jews, obtained this and everything else the world had to offer, and his dying words drove countless souls to the torrents. "You want these mods? You can have them! I left everything I gathered together in one place. Now you just have to pay!" These words lured men to the trackers, in pursuit of dreams greater than they'd ever dared to imagine. This is the time known as the Great Pirate Era!
TWENTY-TWO UPBOATS IN FIVE MINUTES
REDDIT IS INDOCTRINATED ALREADY
GAMING IS DOOMED
>would entertainment in general be better if we lived in an anti-capitalist society?
Clearly it would, considering freeware games and mods are usually of a substantially higher level of quality than paid shit.
The spikes are not to solve homelessness, it's to solve the homeless sleeping outside that building.
The modding community is radically different from media industries like video games, movies, etc, and if you don't recognize that I don't think you know enough about this matter to have a valid opinion.
>biggest mod site on the internet
>asks legitimate question
>random redditfag asks what he's drinking
It's official. Steam is kill.
is it just me or is gaben being evasive as fuck, it's like the grilling on prime ministers question time in there for fucks sake yet he is doing nothing but answering shit about what he's drinking and blowing smoke
im so sick of valvedrones
I used to be one myself, but this shit just made me hate gaben. I dont care how much he tries to justify why paid mods is a good thing. He's a fat greedy fuck
Exactly, he doesn't even have to get up. He can pay people to take care of everything indefinitely. He can have someone carry him on a velvet bed to the end of the world if he so wanted.
You're actually able to minimize some questions and answers and switch the order of questions, anon.
>Meant for communication
>IT'S WORSE THAN STEAM
Gaben has no idea what the fuck is going on. He's just a front figure to a company that now consists of marketers and "market analysts". Just reading his replies made me realize he has no idea what his own corporation is doing.
You know their are hundreds of thousands of vacant homes in America. I'm not saying throw homeless people in middle-class homes, but would it not make sense to give them a free low cost home. They usually have some type of disability too, so working isn't really an option.
It's actually already been confirmed to work as some states have been doing it, and it pretty much solves the problem.
I guess you have never used reddit before. That's OK the layout is kind of shit, so here is a tip - Gabe is not replying to the post above him, it's a stand alone statement from him
becayse valve DOES only take 20-30% the reason the modders are getting shafted is because Bethesda thinks they deserve a massive cut of the profits too
if you don't believe me, go read the fine print for the program
>Nintendo goes pants on head retarded with amiibo dlc shit
>Nvidia starts coning people into buying defective cards "oh it's a feature!"
>Valve scumming for as much money as possible with their fucking e-commerce market shit
This is the exact year gaming died
you really believe that pr bullshit?
everybody knows nothing, yeah, I'm sure. Gaben totally innocent on his own account. Ever seen a senator get grilled? They know nothing about what is going on.
Anyways, here's some classic goalpost shifting.
>This is the same shit as "haha we don't care about your porn history haha but we'll snoop around your computer anyway :D i'm so funny and obese"
Call me petty but that was what made me quit using Steam. Not the controversy about VAC collecting browsing history but the way Gabe dealt with the community and answered their questions. Fuck giving money to a guy who must have a very low opinion of his customers that he insults their intelligence with such replies.
>still having homeless
You primitive humans.
My point is that with steam, at least it doesn't take up 200mb of ram just idling
If you're talking about communication alternatives and you bring up Skype, your opinion is invalidated
Let me just get right on that non-browser adblocker
>I have no idea how reddit AMAs and Q&As work
You upvote the person answering stuff's answers so people coming after it's finished can see all the shit they answered.
It has nothing to do with agreement.
If you're going to hate Reddit because it's a meme to do so at least understand the most basic shit about one of the few good things it has going for it.
>>Gabe, what is Valve doing to address the issues of people ripping mods from places like Nexus and putting them up on the Steam Workshop, even though they didn't make the mod?
>This is a straight-forward problem. Between ours and the community's policing, I'm confident that the authors will have control over their creations, not someone trying to rip them off. [LOL -31 on his post]
That's either the stupidist shit I've ever seen or complete bullshit.
If everyone hates it, and it's making no money, then why the fuck are they doing it?
The entire mod community is eating itself right now. We have modding groups that have lasted a decade currently in existential debates with their own members. Is that fat faggot saying that it was all for the fucking lulz?
This is further proof that Gabe no longer actually works at valve, and is only a figure head they trot out when people need calming down because he's a friendly face.
You know I have to ask
Why do people type it MOD like it's an acronym. It's a shortening of 'user modification'.
yeah this is fucking bullshit
fucking reddit doesnt allow for open discussion, its just a fucking hug box and the posts sucking his dick are getting voted to top, where he replies to
fucking piece of shit website
you don't understand. it will make money. because this whole thing will blow over. gamers for lack of a better term don't stay mad long. next summer sale everyone will be sucking that 50% off dick
DON'T GET DUPED
THIS IS HOW THEY'LL GET YOU
HERE IS A GOOD EXAMPLE OF WHAT HE WILL DO.
BASIC BUSINESS PSYCH 101
that's my problem with all of this. Bethesda are the biggest, greediest jews here and they're laughing all the way to the bank because everyone's ignoring them while shitting on the modders and on Valve.
So far, it sounds like he's completely full of shit.
He hasn't said a single thing that doesn't sound like a PR person try to kill negativity without promising anything.
What a fat faggot.
He made a video that approved of the idea of creators being paid for their work, so he's the devil.
Three quarters of the video was about how the system is bad, but we ignore the parts that don't fit our narrative.
People use the system as agree/disagree despite how it was intended to be used.
And if you want to see where they responded, just look at their posts.
Why would he?
Going to an anonymous image board to debate with trolls is a terrible idea
All those retards wasting their only chance in life to communicate with Gabe just to insult him.
>couldn't take the time to answer the owner of the biggest modding community
>could answer the random 15 year old about what he was drinking
>According to the modder, Valve gave specific permission to sell the mod even though it used another creator's free content: "I was told that if the download is separate and free, it was fair game."
Its an argument making a point. Its just some idiot thought it was a good idea to present such an argument as if it was real data.
There's plenty of open discussion, and even downvoted shit can be seen. Anyone not saying how they really feel due to a lack of anonymity is being a coward.
>AAAANND YOU CAN'T PUT A DONATION BUTTON UP
I don't want to get into defending this because I think it's fucking stupid, but I'd think that has more to do with Bethesda than Valve. I doubt Valve can officially endorse donations and not have to worry about giving Bethesda a cut. It also takes money to transfer money, so yeah. It's a mess. "Only winning move is not to play" and all that jazz.
I do want to see Valve's 75% breakdown though.
Wrong. People have too big of a library to give up steam. A rented library I should add. By this summer sale everyone will be praising gaben and opening those wallets wide for him
>Some faggot programmer makes $5,000 a day in Seattle.
You're full of shit faggot or he's some kind of genius programmer making future tech.
Either way, you're a lying faggot.
>The goal is to increase the total investment the community makes in extending its games. We thought we were missing some plumbing that was hampering that.
How many times must based Gaben totally BTFO /v/?
He is saying that people can't steal mods and post them.
Which isnt true and has nothing to do with /v/
Because people listened to the first minute of his video where he said paid mods could be a good thing and not the rest of it where he said the way valve was doing it was terrible.
he made a video where for a small part of it, he agreed with the idea and spent the rest of the video saying how they were doing it the wrong way and it's negatives.
Naturally, retards only listened to the first part of the video and are making themselves look stupid
Not the same anon, but do you really think there will always and forever be capitalism? Why would an advanced civilizations that has automated almost all labor have a need for capitalism. I think capitalism was fine a hundred years ago when everyone had an actual profession and traded goods to each other to survive.
yep clearly, i mean you be stupid to think stuff like air control could possible get past steams safeguards, twice.
After reading through it so far...
>Darth Gaben is barely answering questions
>Darth Gaben is ignoring the harsher questions
>Darth Gaben has said that the game makers decided the 75% stealing of revenue
>Darth Gaben has stated that mods have only generated $10,000 which is only enough to pay off the emails they've received because of this.
Right, it's not like people post smug anime images here all the time.
Being a Blizzdrone i have seen my fair share of god awful decisions and poor judgement but this shit just takes the cake. I can't fucking understand the logic Valve has taken with this shit.
>The pay-outs are set by the owner of the game that is being modded.
>As I said elsewhere, if we are censoring, it's dumb, ineffective, and will stop.
I FUCKING KNEW IT! IT'S ALL BETHESDAS FAULT!
Most of them are just some middleman for a celeb that's promoting something that answers about 5 questions with one line replies then vanishes.
Reddit thinks Gordon Ramsay is a god king among men because he put in effort on his AMA and answered lots of people and with paragraphs.
Because if you actually wanted to get paid for making vidya content you would become a developer or join a studio. Modders WANT to create mods for games, no one is forcing them. They also aren't obligated to share them.
Why does 4chan even exist?
Our god Gaben is at reddit not 4chan.
What do you expect him to say? "We're doing this because we feel we'll make money with it"? This is how virtually all businesses deal with the public, by spouting bullshit like "we just want the community to be happy".
money. same thing with everything valve does. it's to increase their revenue. Market transactions.. now mod transactions. There's literally nothing on steam they don't have a finger in as far as monetary returns now.
Now I've been in this thread actually defending reddit but even that's bullshit. /v/ is the greatest place to discuss video games. Any game at all, even obscure ones, get replies from people who have played the game and sometimes from people who haven't. It doesn't work that way on Reddit. Also the upvote/downvote system automatically makes Reddit inferior.
>1.2 million/year for being a codemonkey
Set it to show oldest and all posts.
Alternatively, click gabes name and just read all his posts from that page.
Best solution I've found for navigating that shit. No idea how ledditors do it.
i would assume its something like
>OMG OMG GABE GABE PAY ATTENTION TO ME
>OMG GABE YOU'RE SO COOL XD
>gabe avoiding all the real questions, talking about what he's drinking
>retards he replies to go OMG SQUEEE HE NOTICED ME
>bunch of epic meme links and shit
SC2 made it so custom maps couldn't be used as an individual property like Dota 2 so Blizzard basically owns every map, but they don't cost money.
The arcade is actually F2P so you don't need to own SC2 to play custom maps.
>sit in a circle and bitch about feminists all day
That isn't how reddit works.
And don't we want him to answer questions?
He is throwing out PR answers, saying that peoples concerns are impossible despite the fact that they have already happened, and generally not saying anything worthwhile.
I don't see him making any good points, just dodging questions.
>And most of /v/ are valvedrones so if anyone would be asskissing it's this board.
That thread would'nt go a minute before Gabe is being called a kike and nigger and getting spammed with gore and cp. We've been down this road before.
/v/ is all about baits and shitposting, one or two good threads per week don't change the quality that much. And people on reddit actually suggest fixes and shit for games that get fixed later on. Meanwhile /v/ is arguing about amiibos and PS1 vs N64.
midas magic is actually a piece of shit compared to colorful spells. maximumkek that people pay for it now
Not quite, Blizzard just owned anything people made with the editor to stop another DOTA from slipping through their fingers.
It's also why there's no custom scene for SC2 the modders wouldn't put up with it.
What exactly was wrong with the modding community for the last 20 years? I know you're only 13 but you must see that everything was fine before this happened and you shills divided the community
But anon! These modders have entire families to feed!
Do you really want to deprive little Sally of her bread and water? Why must you force FORCE modmakers to work for free?
Are you Literally Hitler?
4cah was actually made to share porn and talk about shitty japanese cartoons. I don't even think steam was even that popular when 4chan was first created.
Really the Gabe dicksucking was mostly a /v/ thing that came later.
Did Gabe answer concerning mods being built upon other mods and all the sharing that went on in the modding community? How will they solve that logistical nightmare?
Reddit is too big, saying all reddit is shit is like saying all youtube is shit.
Most of it is, yes, but not all. Reddit is good for shit like this, when people ask questions to someone of relevance, there's been only a handfull of times big names have come here. I don't browse that shithole for anything, specially videogames, but at least they are being of some use right now. Can you even imagine the shitposting that would happen is gaben came here?
He stopped coming to /v/ because he got offended by all the normalfags hating on his favorite VN.
I love how he agrees that CS and DOTA wouldn't have blown up if they were 5 dollars when released then goes on to say how much better monetized modding would be for the gaming community and developers
which CS had assets from other mods at the time which will never happen with monetized mods, so if this becomes a trend we'll never see another mod blow up like CS and Day Z did
He actually answered the question and everything around the whole fucking mess. The games wouldn't go stellar. If a fuck would offer a paid UI mod from the start, there would be more then enough people offering a free one. Which is why this system right now would only work with some mods which are really well known and some stupid fucks would pay money for. They simply fucked up, Gabe knows and I bet many people with Valve know. I'd really liked to know whose idea it was.
Well, there goes my next upgrade. I knew this was going to happen sooner or later, Valve is already selling mods and skins and faggots eat it up. Interesting new times are coming to PC gaming.
GG is still not going to come to your rescue, /v/.
Deal with it.
Fuck you, I will. Server costs, whatever they may be, is still less than any amount of cut Valve gets. And I'm sure they get more than 10%.
Bethesda wouldn't do shit, unless Valve allowed them. Bethesda doesn't have anything, while Valve does. It's much more of a Valve's fault than whatever cut Bethesda takes
>w-we're totally m-making a difference r-r-right g-guys?
I still won't use Reddit because of accounts. I want to act like a mature person in some threads to further my argument, but then shitpost in others. Hell, sometimes in the same thread.
Re-read my post and get outta here hothead. The fact that vlve was the first to put paid mods into practice is their shortfall. It's like when the first fighter planes came into practice; there's no looking back and no way out.
For everyone that follows the example, the blame will go to valve, who had a honest rep upto now. Even in that reddit thread gabe calls CSS and DOTA2 mods which although true; you can't put a total conversion mod on the same scale as a knife or a bucket.
Valve is fucking dumb. I don't feel anger or a sence of recompensation; only dread. The last piece of joy i get from my primary hobby is being capitalized.
Can we nominate VALVE for worst company this year?
>Region restricts trading
>Makes us wait a week before we can trade shit we buy on the market
>Makes us wait a month before we can trade giftables
>Now is making selling mods a thing
VALVE needs to win worst company this year.
HES SATAN HIMSELF!
HES PERSUADING EVERYBODY LIKE ITS AN OKAY THING!.
Holllllllllly fuckken shit. Its fucking amazing.
>it goes against our philosophy to be dictatorial
He made DRM Steam and has forced any PC developer to be on Steam since he pretty much owes the monopoly. All while taking a fat cut. This guy is so out of touch.
And as usual, Gabe Newell pretends he cares, but will do literally nothing to stop the censorship, or even give a shit how the paid mods are going to ruin the modding community
>We are fully for artistic freedoms, it's our philosophy! It's all about supporting the people!
>Yes, I'd take whatever amount of 75% cut and not do anything different from other services though ;)
>Glory to Bethesda!
Epic, just epic, Gayben.
I'm going to ask a few questions and I want a reasonable response.
1. How is this ruining the "mod community"?
What I mean by this question is how is this going to stop mod makers from uploading mods to non Valve places free of charge? Wouldn't this completely negate the whole idea people have that mods are now going to be "DRM-ed?
2. How is creating this option something that makes valve evil? Isn't it ultimately up to the mod maker to decide if his/her mod will be free?
3. Not really a question, but an opinion. Doesn't this just create an option for the mod maker to profit from their work by assigning Valve as a sort of middle-man so they can actually collect money for making mods? Otherwise you'd be facing all kinds of litigation for profiting off a mod that is applied to someone's copyrighted game. Wasn't that the main reason why mods have been free this whole time? Because profiting off of them would open up our crappy copyright laws?
What I'm saying is doesn't having valve broker the profit problem allowing game devs to get their share of profit from the mod actually provide an advantage to the mod creators?
Valve is providing the infrastructure so you can't really say they shouldn't get a cut. That's a theee way split. Game dev, valve and mod creator.
Maybe Gabe is being mad dismissive with the responses because people are not applying some kind of sense. No one explained this shit to me. I just reasoned it out. Anyone want to reflect some ideas off of that?
>long term crying
God, this was the saviour of the PC Gaming? If that's the case, I think that anyone in its place would prefer to stay dead.
Thank God we still have Humble Indie Bundle.
"Yesterday I was distracted as I had to see my surgeon about a blister in my eye (#FuchsDystrophySucks),"
Trying to use the fucking sympathy game with us. thinks we are stupid just so we fall bad for him. stupid fucker.
The ultra conservative republictard working for the rich is holding us back.
Holy shit gabe is such a fucking money hungry faggot
if you're a billionare you would know whats the best to invest on, ipads are NOT the best to invest on. next time don't think like a rich person because you're not you poor fuck
>they're not even making money off this
>it's actually costing them money with the insane amount of backlash
>yet it's still happening
how fucking retarded is valve right now?
they are generating untold levels of bad press and ill will and are in no way benefiting from anything
>nexus is kill confirmed
>equates old and free conversions like counterstrike, tf, and so on to the third party DLC hipster cancer free4all $$$ meatgrinder that will be known as paid mods
Mustards got a nice lord and savior there ahahahaha.
>Almost every people sucking his dick on that thread
Yet his games are only available on their "platform". Why isn't CSGO on Origin or DOTA2? Why are brand new hard copies of PC games require that you sign up on Steam or use Steam to play them.
I am witnessing the end of PC gaming as I type, holy balls.
You know that feeling when you meet one of your heroes, and it turns out that they are complete douchebags?
Gabe just did that to me.
I'm seriously considering moving to console gaming.
Reddit and /v/ are mostly the same and cater to the same people but /v/ is too fucking hipster to realize it. But /v/ keeps going on about how all forums are dead and if this place and Reddit are the final bastions of truthful discussion, I have zero faith for the internet.
“Thou wast created.” Ezekiel 28:13, 15. “Thou art the anointed cherub that covereth.” Ezekiel 28:14. “Thou sealest up the sum, full of wisdom, and perfect in beauty … every precious stone was thy covering … the workmanship of thy tabrets and of thy pipes was prepared in thee in the day that thou wast created. … Thou wast perfect in thy ways from the day that thou wast created, till iniquity was found in thee.” Ezekiel 28:12-15.
>mfw /v/ will go back to praising Lord Gaben as soon as the Summer Sale starts
I can't wait to call you out on it, /v/.
THINK OF MONEY AS INFORMATION
AND THINK OF MY BANK ACCOUNT AS A LIBRARY
I fucking hate this man