>Nobunaga is always portrayed as a bad guy
Why do the japanese hate Nobunaga?
>tfw no-one remembers you
For the same reason people portray this guy as a bad guy. There were rulers more brutal than him and he had to find a way to stop the turks because the Pope personally asked him to fight against them. Everything bad said about him were rumors and propaganda spread by saxon traders, whom he banned from his principality because they were jewing out the romanians.
he introduced guns into traditional warfare.
Whereas wars previous to Nobunaga's tactics centered on face-to-face combat, Nobunaga introduced the concept of trapping and killing from a distance or in firing squads that take turns, in order to keep up the assault.
Even though he eventually died, he still brought these new and brutal tactics to warfare and they couldn't just be un-introduced. So he's often shown as a villain or evil in fiction because of this.
>Dracula become a vampire
>Nobunaga becomes a demon
It's like poetry
>tfw hated for just upping the level of competition
Not the saxon traders per se, but the propaganda spread around it. Sometimes completely horrific, retarded rulers get beatified, sometimes extremely competent rulers get demonized.
It's the rules of history.
Also the saxon traders jewed out so hard that they convinced the king of hungary that Vlad was secretly an ottoman sympathizer and got him to arrest him. You know, the guy who got beat up his entire childhood by turks while he was a hostage and who impaled 20000 of their numbers then tried to assassinate the sultan.
Wow, japs are a bunch of faggots.
why is there a robot in the sengoku era?
>finally unlocking Nobunaga
Tearing shit up as Nobunaga was fun as hell
The Buddhists, just like the papacy in europe, the buddhists of the time were more about power than religion. Nobunaga struck them down and burned their temples earning him the name "Demon Lord"
What's that? Sorry, I couldn't hear you over MY FUCKING SHOGUNATE.
Even your shitty ass student Hideyoshi couldn't rule all of fucking Japan for 2 fucking decades.
same you see in western literature. For example in the story of the death of achilles in the war of troy. Paris (who stole Helena) was a pussy who just fucked helena while his brother was keeping troy from getting run over along with fellow warriors. In the end apollo helps paris out in killing achilles by using a bow (which is a weapon less honorable than a sword since you arent face to face) and using a poisoned arrow (poison being the most absolute faggot weapon). So even in literature dickass tactics were used by pussy/evil characters. Japanese just applied the same on a guy who actually did it in real war
Nobunaga - Little bird if you will not sing I'l kill you
Toyotomi - Little bird if you will not sing I'l coax you into singing
Tokugawa - Little bird if you will not sing I'l sit here like and wait for you to die because I'm a giant asshole who rode the wave of everyone elses achievements
Well, he did make a black guy a samurai.
>made him scrub his skin thinking it was paint
>against tradition will mark you as an abomination in Japan.
>japan still okay with mozaic censor that forced by westerner
i will never understand this one
Fuck you, now I want to see this shit and I just know it will literally never happen
>yfw Nobunaga just wanted to peace out and pretending to perish in the flames and fulfilled his dreams of exploring Europe and the Western world
This is not true. Guns were in use 20 years before Nobunaga came. He was the first to use them to gain the upper hand on the battlefield.
Check Nagashino battle, or watch Kagemusha.
>Nobunaga runs away from japan to explore europe
>Gets caught up in medieval wallachian politics during an ottoman invasion
>Stumbles his way into rulership and actually does a pretty good job
>Until he loses one battle and gets decapitated
Poor guy can't catch a break.
>yfw he could be lurking 4chan right now
>yfw he could be a shitposter
Wasn't there this shitty game being made where it had both Nobunaga and Vlad Tepes in it?
Only reason I'm saying it's shitty is because they're all girls and they don't even look cute.
Every clans had guns at the heyday of Nobunaga though. They didn't introduce western practices, pikemen were already largely used, they just replaced bows by guns and every clan did that !
Nobunaga had a personal gun factory, this is a change. He was overall better at gun tactics too, but that's really about it.
It's true that it largely favored big numbers of ashigaru but that's primarily because he couldn't field as much samurai as the other clans.
eh. those are simply ancient stories. something more comparable would be the church trying to ban crossbows because could reliable take down armored knights, for example.
>yfw Nobunaga made this thread
It's the same shit why all gambling, pachinko being the only exception, is still banned in Japan. That's one area they're actually trying to pass a legislation to make it legal because they can tax it, though. Uncensoring porn would make no difference in grand scheme of thing and there's no one who's going to stand up for it in the first place.
>Implying that you wouldn't fuck Ranmaru too.
>Every clans had guns at the heyday of Nobunaga though.
They did, but like you said he was the one who actually made effective military use of firearms and made everyone else do the same by rocking the status quo boat in Japan.
This is just false. The takeda had just as much guns as the oda, but the takeda heir had the cunning of a sardine. Guns didn't win Nagashino by themselves, there was a large footmen and cavalry charge by the Oda and the Tokugawa right after the shooting and this is what decimate most of the takeda.
Kagemusha is great though...
You seen that one with the Eldritch Elder God girls? Or the one with Warship girls? Or the one with the Chinese Warring States girls?
I could do this all day, and they all actually exist too.
>Nobunaga shilling himself on /v/ just to salvage his reputation
Yess good gaijin, I'm- I mean, Nobunaga is totarry dead and was a honoraburu nipponji to the end.
except pachinko is banned as gambling. However there is a construction in that you can play it for free, you just have to purchase the balls to actually play it in another store (which is conveniently next to the pachinko centre). And they constantly pull back and forth in politics to further ban it or let it be as is
>Nobunagas face when he realized he got caught out
>Takeda Shingen became a "god of war" because he had a copy of Sun Tzu's Art of War and actually used advanced tactics
>all downhill from there
History giveth and it doth taketh away.
Because Nobunaga was an evil warlord granted technology by the devils of another universe.
Dude, there were rumors of boy fucking about every single ruler. From ancient greece to the 18th century, "fucking a young boy" was the go-to political slandering tactics by writers who didn't actually interact with the ones they were writing about or even lived during their reigns.
No when I am his vassal.
You want to talk about some shit? Let's talk about fucking Cao Cao.
>Remember reading an interview with the guys who made Onimusha/Onimusha 2
>Guy gets asked the obvious question: If Nobunaga's so great, why is he the ultimate final boss
>Response starts with "Well, he was a great man, like Abraham Lincoln was to America..."
I thought Takeda Shingen is considered to be the ultimate badass of the sengoku.
>Nobunaga's face when the mods ask him about his constant shitposting
>Cao Cao looks like Nobunaga looks like Vlad Tepes
HOW DEEP DOES IT GO
The warrior monks of Mt. Hiei were a longstanding threat to Kyoto and so invasive in politics an Emperor of Japan allegedly said he had no power over them. The reason why they came to blows with Nobunaga was because they aligned with his enemies and were trying to strongarm a law expelling all Christians and foreigners from the country. When they were challenged to justify this in a debate with a Jesuit priest sponsored by Oda, they accepted and were so utterly humiliated their debater tried to lunge at the priest. In response, they stepped up their intrigues with the Oda's enemies and outright tried to kill Nobunaga and several others.
The Ikko-Ikki are best summed up as Theocratic Church Militant Communists/Socialists/Anarchists depending on the sect and interpretation (think something like a Medieval Japanese Taliban). They also had the stated intent of upturning Japanese society entirely and thus were hated even by their own allies. And who were also engaged in very brutal, very bloody politicking of their own that eventually targeted the Oda and their allies. The siege of Nagashima we all remember was actually the third in about as many years, after previous attempts to conquer it in a "cleaner"/more conventional way were driven back by the ultra militarized inhabitants and their clan allies.
Oh man, the mongols were something else. They came up with a rule of no killing those of noble blood, and then immediately circumvented it by trampling nobles they didn't like with horses and justified it by saying "No blood spilled".
They also wiped out the entire persian shahdom and then destroyed Baghdad, which was the biggest center of commerce, learning and art on earth at the time. Just because one retarded shah killed their emissary.
>be a competent warlord
>be politically savvy and out-maneuver most of your rivals for total dominance
>forge solid alliances and compromise only slightly to remain in control
>be on your way to more power and prestige
>get monumentally unlucky thanks to shitty weather and ballsy raiding tactics and get fucked by Nobunaga one time
>forever remembered in history as an incompetent joke daimyo
He has it good compared to poor Yoshimoto. The demon king bullshit is at least cool.
>Vlad the implier
Can anyone else name a man with a mustache that had ideas to radical for his own time?
>even in games where he is a good guy, he gets possessed by a demon and becomes the bad guy
>Cao Cao is Vlad the Impaler who is Oda Nobunaga who is Mozart who is still alive
How deep does the rabbit hole go?
Pardon me, gentleman, im just the best portralay of Nobunaga in fiction.
At least Vlad got to be THE vampire.
To be fair Cao Cao kinda had the excuse in that everything fell apart around that time with the Yellow Turban Rebellion, Dong Zhuo's fuckups with the emperor and claiming the chancellor's seat, etc. He only had the balls to succeed with his ambitious instead of feigning MUH HAN like everyone else.
>implying I'm not going to shill for free
Controversial, uncompromising and ruthless rulers tend to be viewed very positively by nations who didn't interact with them. Like Genghis Khan.
Except for Vlad Tepes, who seems to be loved by romanians and hated by everyone else.
That's why I never understood people who were so interested on making dynasties.
Wait a bit and two generations later, all you did is reduced to ashes.
Seeing this even today is always funny.
>edgelords sympathising with tyrants because they lack power in their own lives
Just another day on /v/
Is it true that Oda wast westaboo as fuck?
There should be a game about playing this guy coming back home to Africa and defeating all African warlords with his mad samurai skills.
Then some African Makai demon niggas show up and you have to fight them too.
>Except for Vlad Tepes, who seems to be loved by romanians and hated by everyone else.
Only because "eeew, he was so brutal" when he was, in fact, one of the primary reasons Europe didn't get buttfucked by Ottomans.
Those were not the monks you probably imagine them to be.
>tfw no catholic shogun
>tfw no Indonesian crusade
>tfw no samurai paladin templars
It's all falling into place
>fucked over millions
>in the end still positively viewed due introducing equality for everyone and the metric system. Which is used nowadays in every civilised country.
>Nobunaga treated Yasuke with such great favor that people in Azuchi even said he would probably be made a tono (殿, "lord"). This did not happen, but he was given the position of samurai (仕官 shikan)
>given the position of samurai
What does samurai mean, faget?
that nobunaga is probably a historical figure they learn about in middle school in japan and as such has become a design influence in the subconscious of japanese concept artists by default, anon.
just like how american games and movies often feature rebels and rebellions against empiresGEE I WONDER WHY
That feeling when you're deep into a big melee, swinging you're naginata like a crazy bastard trained in Jigen-ryu, checking the kill record, realizing you just knocked down Oda Nobunaga...
>Samurai Warriors introduced a disco dancing afro-clad warrior
>it wasn't Yasuke
Maybe in the next game...
at that point you're dead and don't care anymore. problem was really leaving that shit in the hands of your direct heirs who could be mouth breathing retards
Well you didn't see his son-in-law crying over the fact that Hideyoshi beat the cap out of him in Yamazaki.
Heck, his son-in-law with his daughter even joined Hideyoshi and later Ieyasu.
Nobunaga's forces were not as powerful as Noriyuki's, but he managed to kill most of the generals and clan heads in their charge on the three line musket men, the once who did not charge fled from battle, including Katsuyori.
The kill count on both sides was more or less rhe same, but Nobu losts were not generals, cavalry, clan heads etc.
Nobunaga only appears in a parody. It's a little girl.
Also Vlad has too version of himself. A shitty vampire one and an overpowered version that only appear when summoned in Romania.
Though he has D luck and suffers an horrible death anyway
>Finally get around to watching Three Kingdoms
>This fucking episode
>DIAOCHAN IS TO BE SPARED
>MY LAND... MY BEAUTIFUL LAND...
I didn't expect to fucking cry about those two assholes like Lu Bu and Gongtai, but fucking hell did I choke up like a bitch.
Once you get to a certain point you gotta clear out all possible opponents. Then you have a dynasty and you want to save your sons. You do that by passing power to them. Because if you let it dissolve you get unrest and other powerhungry people will jump your children
Protagonist badass that saves Japan from a bunch of retarded war mongers while shitting all over traditionalist figure. Akechi is show as a buffon blinded by his own ambition.
Oda is the necessary evil. Akechi kills him and it's BAD END. Even on the best possible Akechi end, Akechi feels empty, and feels the land is as empty as him without Oda. He is right.
Oda is an ambiguous figure. Despite being cruel and violent, wishes well for his country up until the bitter end. Magoichi feels bad after he kills Nobunaga.
Kooky and so mysterious character. (Fuck SW3)
Back to his 2 persona but more ruthless
Fucker is a god damn pure hero.
They need to rewrite most of his scenes to make him look bad and even then Akechi did more evil shit than him.
While we're at it, daily reminder that you can watch the whole show subbed on Youtube if you're too lazy to download it in good quality. Making notes on names might be advisable if you haven't played Dynasty Warriors.
I love them
They just fucked over everyone and no great power of art or education or wealth was enough to stop them
It's a great lesson to be learned in history
You not only need a good army for protection of a society but good tactics as well
>Oda is in two scenes
>First scene he tries to troll the shit out of Tokugawa by prentending he is so eeeeevil and violent but Tokugawa just laughs it up
>Second scene is he dancing as he sings a song about Takeda's death
Two scenes and he was the most based Samurai in a Kurosawa movie. That's gotta be a record.
Because he was a hooligan who took power for himself.
He danced at his father's funeral, he drank wine from his brother in law's skull and made his sister drink from it too, he was generally unforgivable and murdered the innocent and otherwise loathed the old ways of Japan's history.
The Fool of Owari is infamous.
>tfw you Nobunaga will never ask you unreasonable demands like "Make Oda win an important battle by cooking" or "Destroy the enemy clan using only food"
>is taken over by an evil demon
My point behind this was basically, it's no real point of trying to establish a dynasty or a big family fortune if you don't educate correctly your heirs.
I've see many fathers getting rich, losing touch with their wives, losing touch with their children. Children inherit everything but are douchey as hell, their own children don't feel close to their family and don't give a fuck about family values and family history.
Two generations and bye bye work.
Why waste your life for a thing no one will remember you for or care for ?
So yeah, spend some time with your family instead of trying to establish something that is out of your grasp.
I'm in the mood for a samurai movie because of you fucks now.
Only notable ones I've seen are the last samurai (meh) and that one black 'n white japanese one about seven HONNOBARRU samurai that rescue a village from bandits
>Turks destroyed the byzantine empire just because they wanted to conquer it
>Wherever ottoman soldiers set camp, the entire area got wiped out of people and resources
>Forcefully converted people to islam and enslaved christian children to turn them into brainwashed elite soldiers
>Demanded exorbitant taxes from christians who refused to convert
>They come for Wallachia
>Vlad and his little brother gets taken as hostage to assure the wallachian loyalty
>When he grows up and assumes the throne, he fights the Ottomans back and does everything in his power to keep his shitty little principality free
>Gets called murderous, bloodthirsty tyrant by the west or, worse, gets worshipped by stormturds for killing turks without either of them understanding what he did and why
It's not like the ottomans were trying to invade Wallachia for three generations by then, or anything. Not like they destroyed the Bulgarian Tsardom as well. And the Serbian Empire. And were constantly raiding Hungary.
>Samurai Warriors anime
>Get hype for I love Nobunaga and he was always a central piece to the plot
>Opening sucks Hideyoshi's dick
>The plot occurs entirely about the last 3 battles of the Sengoku period, focuses on the side that got curb stomped for being shitty warmongers
>Re-write history to make them look noble and good people who didn't want no trabble when they were clearly starting shit
>Will forever be denied a anime with Oda as a protagonist in the sengoku period in which he doesn't look like a girl or a young androgynous fuck
>Nobunaga introduced the concept of trapping and killing from a distance or in firing squads that take turns
yeah that was pretty wicked level bruh
>He was too noble to destroy Rome when he had a chance.
What? When did he get the chance? Isn't some roman general called "The Great Delayer" just because he flim-flammed Hannibal and kept him from reaching Rome for so long that the romans managed to attack his homeland, destroy his greek allies, destroy his fleet and take over the sea and surround him at the same time?
>Neil deGrasse Tyson
>Someone of importance in his field
High science is not noteworthy, reddit-kun.
>Attila set up his court in the carpathians, just where Transylvania is
I CAN'T TAKE THIS ANYMORE
He got the chance but he wanted to destroy the whole roman army.
So when he captured the south,the romans fleed to the north,and vice versa.
The romans easily managed to get a lot of time.
>someone of importance in his field
Nobody ever said that. The post they were responding to said "a man with a mustache that had ideas too radical for his own time"
Obviously a joke. Good job being a faggot, though.
We really need something like Souten Kouro for Nobunaga.
Really, very few samurai-centric movies that are even remotely good portray the samurai as some kind of good, honorable guys all the way. Mainly because they're usually set in the twilight years when samurai were becoming glorified stewards with no real marketable skills besides dick reassuming contents through duels and overblown swordsmanship schools.
Before that, he comlpetely annihilated the Roman forces at Lake Trasimene and he could have sacked Rome if he wanted. Some historians believe he didn't want to ruin the city on moral grounds.
Can you imagine being a historical ruler and somehow being able to see how people preserve your legacy in the future only to find out that it's just random jackoffs shitposting about you on the internet or japs making games about you where you're a little girl?
Goes to show time and time again that /v/ is excellent for everything that's not videogames.
I love you people.
You've made my weekend.
Genghis Khan was one of history's greatest monsters, but it's okay for mongols to idolize him since their history hasn't had anything going on lately.
He couldn't have sacked Rome. He didn't have the necessary supplies for a prolonged siege nor the manpower for a direct assault. He had a small, elite army composed almost entirely out of mercenaries (a lot of which he lost while crossing the alps) and the chief niggas in charge of Carthage refused to send him reinforcements because they didn't want him to cover himself in too much glory and potentially take over.
On the other hand, the romans were going all out, and would've fought to the last man.
You should watch Hyougo mono. It is anime, but it is also one of the best portrayal of samurai culture, showing not only thier battle shit, but also how important ascethics was for them. There is no moe/super power bullshit in it. And it is about Nobunaga times.
Oda would probably laugh it up and make this thread a honorable retainer.
If it was something new or that break tradition he would indulge just to troll people. Oda didn't had a single fuck on his body.
Nobunaga dindu nuffin, he was just following the orders of aliens.
I like to watch average people doing incredible stuff just because they have knowledge from the future.
> In June 1582, Nobunaga wasattackedand committedseppukuinHonnō-jiinKyotoby the army ofAkechi Mitsuhide. Yasuke was also there at the time. Immediately after Nobunaga's death, Yasuke went to the lodging of Nobunaga's heirOda Nobutada and tried to withdraw with him to Nijō Castle. When they were ambushed halfway, Yasuke fought alongside the Nobutada forces for a long time. Finally he surrendered his sword to Akechi's men. They asked Akechi himself what to do with him. Akechi said that the black man was a beast and did not know anything, and furthermore, he was not Japanese, so they should not kill him but take him to the church[in Kyoto] of the Visitor from India, so they did, much to the relief of the Jesuits there who had worried about him. There is no information about him after that.
This is pretty cool
Yes. And its great.
Can we somehow work Blackbeard into the Nobunaga lineage or what?
>you will never be nobunaga's fuccboi fucktoy attendant
Well, I don't have any proof, but I like boypussy and I would feel better about if he did too, so I just pretend the rumors are true.
It's on kickass, but
Foreigners were the best kind of people you wanted as advisers, bodyguards or retainers.
They didn't understand your culture, they weren't loyal to any political faction based on the local ideology, family line and such and didn't have a gripe with you or anyone because your people and his never clashed.
That was one of the big reasons the Byzantine Emperors employed the Varangians. They only wanted wine, women, gold and chances to fight and nobody on earth provided more of those than the Basileis.
>Nobunaga = Kain
>Nobunaga = Sargon the great
>Nobunaga = Hammburabi
>Nobunaga = Ramses II
>Nobunaga = Cao Cao
>Nobunaga = Attila the Hun
>Nobunaga = Vlad the implier
>Nobunaga = Nobunaga
>Nobunaga = Blackbeard
>Nobunaga = Lenin
>Nobunaga = Hitler
Who else needs to be added to the demon lord of time travels personas?
Lets try keep it in order
I low how the MC is totally obsessed with cultural objects, but is also a samurai without the two really mixing so you don't a goofy samurai played for laughs. He's just really into his hobby.
>See his genderbend self
>Masturbates furiously or tells his concubines to cosplay as himself
20 seeders is more than enough to get a decent download speed. You clearly have no idea what you're talking about
God fucking damn I love Roman names so incredibly much.
Just look at how fucking ridiculous that name is. It's crazy. Jesus that name is out of fucking control. You wouldn't fuck with someone named like that because you know you'd get your shit slapped sideways. God damn that's some serious fucking business.
The Varangians didn't. Neither did the armenian guard, the christian guard and so on. Mostly because they were being replaced constantly, cause a lot of them just went back home with all the riches they got after their contract was up. Like Harald Hardruler.
And the Varangians were especially loyal to the Emperor. So loyal that when one emperor got assassinated, they heard the screams from the handmaidens and rushed in to save him. Upon finding it was too late, they bowed to the one who assassinated him, aka the new Emperor, since there was no point in protecting the old one and it was against their contract to go against the Emperor.
>Nobunaga was hated for going against tradition
>the pharaoh Akhenaten was hated for going against tradition
>People think Akhenaten may have been an alien
Guys, does this mean that Nobunaga is
>tfw Nobunaga's ghost posts on /v/
What's your favorite game, Nobunaga's Ambition?
I think Stalin fits better than Lenin. Powerful leader that history views as a monster. In that sense, I don't think Hammurabi or Ramses really fit. Maybe Nebuchadnezzar and Thutmose III
>mfw d-addicts shut down their torrents
You could download it there with incredible speed. Shame.
Has there ever been a better waifu from history? Cleopatra need not apply
I think it was the other way. Everyone, including the senate, called him a cowardly asshole dogfucker doodoohead because his tactics weren't "honorable" until they realized that he single handedly saved Rome, then they gave him the highest honors available and praised him almost as much as they praised Scipio Africanus.
Caligula and Nero were both retards. Julius Caesar would fit, seeing as he was ruthless and competent and he was hated because he was too competent and started to look way too king-like, which was a faux pas in roman society, which hated kings.
The last ten or so "emperors" before the fall of Rome were such travesties.
Yeah, that was the problem with the Praetorian Guard. They were romans and had a big stake in politics. If they didn't like you, you didn't go far. The greeks fixed that and hired people who didn't give a shit about politics in any way, shape or form.
So that's what this episode is referencing.
>Siege of Kinki
>Nobunaga forces are storming the Azai's castle
>Azai Nagamasa is married to Oichi, and is thus Nobunaga's Brother in Law.
>Nobu sends Hideyoshi to bargain
>Tells him to get his sister and her children (Nagamasas) out of there
>He manages to do so
>Some other retainer shows up right when Hideyoshi presents the sister and children
>fucker has killed Nagamasa
>presents Nagamasa's head in front of Nobunaga (right in front of Oichi and the three little girls)
>Nobunaga is kinda impressed
>it could've had 5 glorious seasons
What part of "tradition" do you not understand, you dense motherfucker?
It doesn't matter where the tradition comes or whether it makes any sense whatsoever, it's good because it's TRADITION.
I think the problem is they have to spread the budget more for GoT while Rome had fewer locations, but that set building was phenomenal. And GoT is making them a fuckton more money.
can we get more of these
this is all i've got and it's just
It actually goes even deeper than that, Akhenaten is the most infamous Egyptian king because he enforced worship of the sun god, Horus. Odo, who converted to Christianity a religion in its very early days was Sun worship.
>start up EU4 and select Wallachia becaus Vlad
>literally impossible to do anything because EU4 is shit
Man I wish that Legends of Troy wasn't so shit, I'd love to play a sword and sandal Musou game.
Imagine how big it could get and the timescale we could go with:
>rise and fall of the Akkadians
>Upper and Lower Egyptian Dynasties
>warring Greek City-states
>Ramesses II being Lu Bu
>motherfucking Hittites waging brutal war on the Egyptians and refusing to die until the entire Assyrian empire fell on them
>the fucking Sea People out of nowhere
>Romans in general
>this guy is his direct descendant
>Play EU3 instead.
Maybe I should.
Will it be hard to get into? Any good
I know and you're not even guaranteed to have Vlad succeed him.
Making a mature Musou game just doesn't work. Fact it had barely any playable characters and was adventures in brown and bloom also didn't help.
>Nubian Pharaohs vs Egyptian Pharaohs
>Hittites vs Egyptian wars 1-16
>Egyptians vs Syria wars 1-17
>early Sneferu conquests
>Hammurabi's Conquest on Larsa
>motherfucking Nubian conquest of Egypt
>Greece uniting for the first time on Persia
>Ramses II conquest
Or Brienne and Sandor's fight scene. Cause that was so much more important than ending the season with a shot of Lady Stoneheart.
It's a lot like EU4, but less shit and without the retarded mana system (Diplo, mil and adm points). Don't know how to comprehensively explain how to get into it. You should probably look up a guide.
>burns villages, slaughters innocent men, women, and children
>Why doesn't Japan like him?
It's because his brother failed to assassinate him and the whole of Japan, divided at the time and not one unified country, got salty over the whole ordeal.
Also Nobunaga married off his sister to some lord, and then years later got mad at the dude and completely ruined him. The lord sent Nobunaga's sister back to him before killing himself. What a standup guy.
>EU4 sucks dick
You are forced to play a waiting game because you are sandwitched between 3 powerful nations.
Sitting on your ass for 200 years waiting for rebels to split those up isn't fun.
I already do.
Currently waiting for more RAM to arrive, because
4GBisn't cutting it, especially for modded games.
Playing as any other country isn't fun either.
As if CK2's good at warfare. A retinue made out of cavalry is all you need to destroy everyone bar mongols.
It'd be pretty great if you could interact more with the tactics, such as training your heirs/player characters to learn different forms of fighting and crap depending on culture instead of them using those randomly in battle.
I think EU gets the GRAND STRATEGY part the best, but it has to abstract and dilute things to a degree so they can work on that high level of management. Like you said, it's more of a generalist game for new players to wet their feet in first and realize what they like the most so they can branch out to more specialized games.
>Economics ---->Victoria 2
People say this, but I found it rather simplistic.
Check supply and demand.
Build factories that use local resources and build factories that produce good in high demand, from resources in high supply.
Hardly rocket science.
SW Chronicles starts him as a bad guy that the hero looks up to after their first battle, and then he is a wise, sometimes ruthless mentor until he dies by preaching to Akechi about ambitions instead of killing him when he had a chance.
>And Victoria 2 is still much deeper than CK2 or EU3/4.
I guess. You have a lot of influence at least.
CK2 is rather random (which I really like about it) and EU is just linear blobbing.
He was ahead of his time. A true visionary.
I miss when >implying was a thing. Now it's all just feels and meme frogs.
>Cao Cao is always portrayed as a bad guy
>Liu Bei anything but a naive shitter