On a real note, who gives a shit?
Almost every single english VA in vidya is awful.
>Giving a fuck about people who sit down in a chair and read paragraphs and grunt and scream
Never had a memorable voice in video games and I couldn't care. Only memorable voice I ever recall is KUSSIN NIIKO. VAs are not hard to find and people will do it for cheaper than any of them.
Why does /v/ hate this so much?
>What about the programmers and stuff? They should get something!
Then the programmers and stuff should go on strike. Just because voice actors are doesn't mean everyone else can't.
Honestly, the entire video game industry is twisted from top to bottom. A step in the right direction is a step in the right direction, regardless of where it starts.
That previous report that was linked in that dude's articles about video game devs thought about the strike, damn.
>“Drop them all,” said one developer. “I couldn’t give less of a shit who the actors are that perform game voices. These people are nuts. They already get too much money for what is arguably a pretty easy gig. We’re working years on single projects for, if we are lucky, fair salaries.”
>“The problem us devs have is that they are asking for royalties for a day or a week of work when devs work on titles for 2-5 years and get none,” said another developer. “Every few years they do this and re-learn that they aren’t that special,” said another developer.
>“And the ONE guy that gets all the jobs so ‘narrative designers’ can jerk off to meeting him,” said another developer.
>One developer responded to a fan saying they want higher rewards for voice talent, while also questioning whether or not underpaid developers could strike as well. “Devs can’t strike. There’s a much higher supply of potential devs than jobs. A dev strike would be met with a wave of goodbye. There’s nothing so special about certain voice actors that I can’t live without.”
>Finally, another developer recanted a bygone time in which game developers got back more from the games they helped create. “There was a time when devs used to get royalties… and you worked your ass off in the hope that when the game made it big you would see a nice pay day. Now, seems that game development is like a labor camp where no matter how hard you work you will never get a big reward for your efforts.”
>tfw college student
>tfw would totally voice a unique character in a game for less than half of what these fucks already get
The industry will most likely tell them to fuck off, and then infighting will start in the union.
So do you guys just not actually play video games or what?
Most games these days rely on voice acting to relay information without breaking the flow of the game. Do you really want to be playing an FPS or TPS where they stop everything for ten minutes so text boxes can pop up? That shit was fine fifteen years ago but it doesn't fly now.
>Never had a memorable voice in video games
You must not play many video games then mang.
Still, VA'ing does go farther than that.
Go watch the documentary on Netflix.
>John Dimaggio will die in your lifetime
>Most games these days
I don't play MOST games these days. Those I do, are not enhanced by voiceovers and I actually get a little sad when certain ones have English VAs and not just subtitles on the original deliveries.
before actual developers
I hope this just makes every studio use Legend of Zelda style BLOOBLAHGABAGABA speech and use dialog instead of actual speech.
Voice actors are going on strike because they are so fucking delusional to think people buy games for their voice acting or this voice acting is what people take away from a game like Grand Theft Auto 5. They already get paid, maybe they should get better contracts and upfront pay instead of fucking residuals.
In an FPS or TPS I wouldn't give a shit about character dialog exchange, especially inbetween cutscenes. If no voice acting means no more slow-walk-and-talk sections than THANK FUCKING GOD.
Are you retarded?
/v/ has people who have actually made games and are currently making games. What part do you think they'd say actually matters?
Hint: it isn't the voice acting. It's their programming.
>“The problem us devs have is that they are asking for royalties for a day or a week of work when devs work on titles for 2-5 years and get none
This doesn't sound like a problem we should get riled up at VAs for. This sounds like a problem we should get riled up at PUBLISHERS for. VAs should get royalties. Developers should get royalties. It's not a competition between the two.
No. Studios will just hire the thousands of people hoping to break into VA. Expect to see a surge of shit literally whos. No one cares about these shits, they're hurting themselves.
Because VA pay is shit no matter if it's a cartoon, game or movie. Either they come crawling back or game studios really desperate for VA will find newer, cheaper talent.
It's the same thing with why programmers don't protest for their shit pay only 10 fold since programmer get treated and general paid even worse.
And those games are shit. Who cares about them? The less English voice acting of the current caliber, the better. Cheap shitty VAs shouldn't be hired for a game they expect me to spend 60$ on + DLC
Steve Blum mostly does anime as non-union. I'm pretty sure a lot of people do anime as non-union. Mainly because I don't think the union would even let you do anime to begin with.
"Most games" that rely on that stuff these days, like Call of Duty or Bethesda, try to get A-list REAL actors who are unaffected by this, then just fill in the rest with the production staff.
Nothing of note will be affected by this. Just the weeb stuff that all the people who buy it complain about it being dubbed in the first place.
>literally get paid more than the guy who actually MAKES the game to sit and do a few one-liners and specific grunts
>be little bitches
It's like being a fag or a bitch, nothing will ever be good enough for them.
Voice acting killed modern games. It's a massive waste of money that should be used on more important elements of the game for something that can't possibly convey as much as the written word can. I hope this is the end for them but I'm not holding out much hope.
0 fucks given.
The difference between an AWESOME voice actor and some wannabe actor you grabbed from a alleyway theatre is negligible.
This is like those kids that pack groceries going on strike. Who the fuck cares.
>voice actors will be forbidden to do their work voicing game characters
how are they going to enforce this, im sure companies wouldnt mind, paying out a little extra cash in exchance for voice actors not being mentioned in the credits or replaced with a developer name
>Specifically toward EA and Activision
as faggy as VAs are,, I can honestly believe EA and Activision would shortchange them compared to other companies. I'd rather them just specifically strike companies that are assholes instead of the industry
I'm genuinely surprised they authorized the strike.
I don't think game publishers are going to be as adverse to using non-union labor as the TV networks or movie studios might be. And I very much doubt they are going to agree to royalties or residuals, their role is just too fucking small to warrant it.
>hate the boner games have for cutscenes and long monologues
>get interrupted every 30 seconds by a conversation
>all those wacky randum characters that need to whip out a shitty joke every time you pass by them
For the love of god, just throw all the VAs in a fire. Just give me text that I can skip or at least keep the voice acting to when actually talk to someone and not over the entire game every 10 steps
>literally get paid more than the guy who actually MAKES the game
Define "The guy who makes the game".
Do you mean the director of the project? The Hideo Kojimas of the world? Then hell no.
Do you mean the code monkies and level/senario designers? Then their singular checks are larger, true, but proportionally, those people get paid more than VAs do, AND 95% of them are salaried, so they get paid whether they work or not.
In fact, really, the only people who get paid less than VAs in game development is QA, which also sucks, but is an entirely separate ball of wax.
>voice actor claims to be underpaid for their services
>dev team fires them and hires someone who will not only work for less but do mo-cap as well
and nothing of value was lost
>without breaking the flow of the game
>having to listen to some bitch I don't care about point out obvious shit, make some 'clever' quip, or state something about the story that can be easily conveyed in several other ways
You're a huge faggot and I hate everything about you.
Japanese voice actors probably make even less money than western from their actual job, considering they work through overbearing talent agencies. Being a voice actor in japan is mostly about being recognizable and then selling your image/singing/selling cosmetics and shitting out drama CDs.
Bring in the non-unionized dub studios, and non-USA based dub companies. Canada has plenty of people they can get to pull off voices just as well as 90% of the big name VAs, and the recent surge in British stage actors busting their chops in gaming in the past few years showcases you DO NOT need LA talent to have a good performance.
The market is global now due to the advancements in digital communication, as well as the entry barrier for studio grade equipment being lowered. Just do like every other sector and outsource it, save some money in the end, and put a stop to having to force us to hear Troy Baker and others half-assing their lines all the time.
Japanese voice acting actually pays. They also have way more people in the industry and the actually write scripts for a specific voice. They just put more effort forth over all.
>mfw no shitty dubs in my japanese games
>mfw Persona 5
>no more voice actors
What a shame, it's not like I only play hipster games that have limited to no voice acting.
Barring Witcher 3 I can't think of one game this year that I would say was improved by having voice acting.
>instantly turn on subtitles
western voice actors a shit in jrpgs
It's not cheaper depending on licensing fees
Atlus is a company of jews, you really think they wouldn't just release subs if they could? Fuck, they'd release it with no translation if you'd let them
>What We Stand For
>>Stunt Coordinator on Performance Capture Volume
>Many actors feel unsafe without a stunt coordinator because they are often asked to do things that could potentially be dangerous to themselves or others. For example, once, without a stunt coordinator on set, a video game developer tried to do a wire pull - which means he basically made himself jerk really hard and fast across a room - without someone on set to monitor his safety. He, of course, got hurt and couldn’t go back to work for a long while. This is just one instance among many.
>Stunt coordinators also help train actors how to fight, do stunts and combat and perform motion capture properly so they look more realistic in the game.
Also can anyone find a list of on-board VA's? Can't find shit
VA pay is shit but they don't deserve royalties when the devs who put far more time and effort into the product can't even get royalties anymore, just a flat rate from the publisher with various contractual incentives.
i want to make a Nolan North joke but can't think of anything good.
seriously who cares. there are literally like three game series ever made (MGS, Hitman, TF2) where the VAs actually mattered at all, and two of them have already passed the point of no return in breaking from the legacy VAs (MGS with Haytergate, TF2 as necessity from all the actors being old as shit and retiring/dying left and right). Hitman keeps going strong with Bateman. Half-Life will definitely qualify if and when Valve ever does bring it back, with key characters GLaDOS, G-Man, and Alyx.
Not happening, Atlus and the like will get still get their games dub, even if they can't get their normal VAs for some retarded reason, they will just get some nobody. Stop being an idiot and realized that these fags are going after AAA shitters and their anime dubs are all non-union.
>Studios will just hire the thousands of people hoping to break into VA.
Not if they're part of the union.
And if they're not part of the union, they'll be branded as scabs for the rest of their career.
>Less than 10k a year
Jesus fucking christ. I sit at a desk all day testing office printers and I get 17k a year. Why would anyone ever want to be an animator in the anime industry?
The funny part is AAA games will just go professional, hollywood actors that don't care about residuals.
I can't really think of who's elbow the VAG thinks they're bending, aside from their own.
I mean, I support unions, but this is a dumb move.
>go on strike
>immediately get replaced by one of the hundreds upon hundreds of amateur voice actors trying to make a break in the industry for a fraction of what you were getting paid
Mate, what you posted is not the money they are making for voice acting.
This is the money they are making from all the side jobs. The actual pay for voice acting is pretty abysmal.
>They just put more effort forth over all.
They put more effort into making money. Western voice actors expect to print money without going trough all the shitshow japanese voice actors go through and without taking a billion of extra jobs.
I've seen a ton of posts about showing support for the striking VA but I'm kinda wondering if there's any way to show support to the game companies/devs? Like, let them know the consumer generally doesn't give a fuck about the terrible english VA and that the companies should probably just tell them to go ahead, keep on striking, and come back when there are reasonable demands (or, you know, just not come back at all)
90% of their demands are bullshit, but that's almost reasonable. Those combat grunts have to come from somewhere, and after doing an hours worth of takes on them, your voice can get pretty shot.
>contractors go on strike
1. dev gets a quote from VA or his agent
2. dev decides wether or not he'll pick this over the competition
if they stop sending in contracts they'll just give the jobs to different VAs that don't give a fuck.
>Being a voice actor in japan is mostly about being recognizable and then selling your image/singing/selling cosmetics and shitting out drama CDs.
Well no shit? Welcome to every single entertainment industry! Why are people acting surprised about this? It's not like buskers or painters have some union they go on strike with etc, these idiot VA's don't know what their profession even is anymore
Why would anyone want to be a programmer in the game industry?
Passion for the hobby medium.
Yeah look how well that turned out.
voice actors ARE shit, since half of them are animu dubbers, too
maybe the normie scum will fuck off to do something else with the dubbers on strike since they're fucking illiterates who need JOHNNY FUCKING BOSCH AND CRISPIN FREEMAN to voice everything. I wouldn't call it acting since they don't--voice dubbers just show up, rattle off their lines and then whine about how they deserve residuals for their 4 hours of BIG and HARD work in a sound booth. Maybe the fucking sound technician behind the glass deserves royalties, too?
>royalties, residuals, and stunt pay for more demanding recording sessions
Oh, fuck right off you egotistical cunts.
>>immediately get replaced by one of the hundreds upon hundreds of amateur voice actors trying to make a break in the industry for a fraction of what you were getting paid
Oh yeah, great idea, break into the industry by being a scab.
You'll be blacklisted by the union.
An exception. I could then point out Keith David in Saints Row 4, Kevin Spacey in Advanced Warfare and even Sutherland in MGS5.
They work just fine, might ask for a bigger pay, but don't give a shit about residuals. Once and done.
So why do you care at all about voice acting? It sounds to me like you are not interested in anything but weebshit games, so you will be unaffected by any of this. Would having weeb dialogue in a Western-made FPS make you more interested in it? I do not think so.
Most anons will tell you all dubs are shit but I personally wouldn't mind non-union VAs getting all of the work if the protest ends up backfiring on the unionized guys.
Reminder that a game made by a single young man in his early twenties became a huge critical and financial success and got to the top of metacritic without any twitter political dramawhoring, overblown kickstarters, endless delays, big celebrity/industry names, DLC, early access shit, OR any fucking voice acting.
it's hilarious that you think an union has any importance whatsoever in contractor business. they're just there to leech off the retards who think an union will magically benefit them.
>mfw due to today's culture all of game companies will give in to them
>these will increase game prices even more
>there will be more DLC for more "serious" "funny" or even "pure artistic quality" voice acting for the game.
They really shouldn't have demanded royalties even though they obviously don't expect to get any and are just using it as a chip to negotiate for something more reasonable - it's fucking disrespectful to developers to even demand it and has gained them nothing except the enmity of people who would have otherwise been much more sympathetic. It's a really stupid mistake on their part.
The entire idea of a strike is insane.
>have a job
>happy with it
>some other faggot isn't
>I am forced to leave said job and face possible termination, against my will
>If I refuse I am blacklisted for life from my profession
> Striking should be illegal.
Jesus Christ, can you suck that corporate dick any harder? I'm going to assume you don't think stuff like working environment law should be made illegal as well?
I don't think you understand, there's a lot of places, pretty much all the major producers, that just won't hire non-union workers because the unions will cut them off for it.
Why do you think the writers guild strike worked?
>Wil Wheaton was one of the key striker
>Someone nobody thinks of in terms of being a voice actor
>Wesley wouldn't shut up and now the game industry is going to become even shitty
I do have a real job mang, I'm just saying.
VA'ing isn't just sitting and reciting a paragraph.
They guarantee you certain things, stability, and safety from being fucked.
Not being in a union is just being a blackhorse, but like I said, if you have the talent, you don't need a union.
Wish I could say that for writing though.
Cause they have this stupid idea that consumers care about specific voices for a character when those cases are the exception.
Same reason why animated movies pick celebrity voices so they can bank on their fame to sell the movie, instead of makingt he character that fits the VA.
Dreamworks used to do that shit all the time when they started, remember Shark tale?
Stupid producers that don't understand what sells their product.
He probably only plays weebshit and doesn't actually care about any of this.
I do not support the strike however I think there are a lot of talented voice actors who I would be disappointed to not have working in games anymore. The good news is that the games industry will probably call their bluff, because voice actors are easily replaceable. There are thousands of non-union actors out there who can do the job just as well, and so the VA union is going to have to play ball with the publishers if they want to go back to work. They probably made an emotional choice to go on strike rather than a logical one.
Actors are such a tiny piece of the overall production of a video game that most people won't even notice any of the strike's effects, since games will still have voice acting (from non-union VAs), and the important things like gameplay and artistry will be completely unaffected.
If it was a programmers' or artists' strike, then there would be something to worry about, but the problem the voice actors face is that they have absolutely no leverage. Having to use non-union VAs will hardly affect the bottom line for game productions at all, and the only thing that will happen is that some game producers might not to get to use a particular VA that they like.
One /v/ is retarded. Two is connections and knowing people. The biggest reason why artists and actors end up getting jobs is both from who the know and how they act as a person. Drama queen assholes usually end up costing more money and ore problems. Yeah they may be REALLY good at their job but no one wants to spend all day with some asshole. They want someone who can take direction and understand the moment they give it and who better to understand what you are saying and trying to get at then someone who is nice and is probably a friend.
Do they think they can actually win?
It's only been like the last 10-15 years where we get high quality VAs into games. I don't see why developers wouldn't just do it themselves when presented with shit like this.
Fuck, Chris Metzen already voices like 60% of the characters in the warcraft universe.
>not being able to read faster than people talk
what a fucking pleb I zoom through conversation so usually only 1/4th of it is said anyway and it pisses me off to no end if I cant skip to the next sentence/paragraph when people are talking
not to mention I hate fucking 90% of shooters and its not like you cant hire a literally literal who to say some lines and pay them chump change
The point of all unions, to protect the workers if the employers try to be slave drivers or fuck them over. The issue is that this isn't the fucking '20s, and that shit doesn't happen nearly as much now.
Basically they're needed but they don't amount to much until people in the union think they need more money.
Im really torn
I want voice actors to be paid because they are a major part of the game
But I also dont wanna hear Jennifer Hale, Steve Blum, Nolan North, Cam Clarke etc etc's voice ever again. I want new blood
you have a really weird fantasy delusion about unions.
They don't do shit, especially in a contractor business. Them authorizing a strike is as good as me offering my personal opinion on the strike. They have absolutely zero influence on the VA industry because everyone but the VAs ignore them
And now Russia is one step closer to being a shit stain without Putin preventing Russia becoming another third world country.
There are regular laws to protect that so you don't need Unions. All Unions do is protect the bad workers and prevent companies from firing bad workers as well.
Reminder that with the explosion of streaming and widespread availability of subs more than ever before, and a number of series garnering huge western fanbases (even amongst normies) before any localization companies gets their grubby hands on a shitty halfassed dub for it, shows that dubbing is on it's way out and is becoming a more and more irrelevant and alien concept to new people getting into anime, unlike when people had to watch dubbed anime on TV in the toonami days.
It'll happen to videogames too, especially now with everyone already knowing everything about games like P5, #FE, and even Xenoblade months before "official english news/releases" are available. People will get used to not having to rely on the same 3 shitty dub voices. There'll still be english dubs - for those few crazies who want to pay extra for them.
That's just my little fantasy, of course.
And how much did Steve Blum get fined? Everybody knows he's done Spike.
>Not part of union.
>Do jobs that aren't part of union.
>get caught by union.
>Get kicked out of something you where never in to start with.
Also if they can get work once that means they can get it again.
Why can't companies do something like Rockstar does?
Hire fans of the games and pay them in peanuts for the work
>The point of all unions, to protect the workers if the employers try to be slave drivers or fuck them over.
Then how come so many they do work outside of the union all the fucking time, then
Must be so hard for them...
>If it was a programmers' or artists' strike, then there would be something to worry about,
Eh, EA among others would rejoice as they could outsource everything to Indians and other shitskin CS majors.
>Having to use non-union VAs will hardly affect the bottom line for game productions at all
For the AAA it certainly will, which will be interesting to watch.
He hasn't really done any major game stuff lately tbh, i kinda miss him, but anyways the problem is for the most part the new blood is god awful, like Ashly Burch or Kira Buckland (Rina-Chan)
I hope this means WRPGs won't ruin my immersion by having the king and lowly bandit voiced by the same guy with the same enunciation. I miss the talking heads for special NPCs like in Fallout.
People actually think something as ridiculously unimportant as the voice actor's union does shit?
Every single industry has an union, very very few actually have any influence on the industry. Mostly they're just bottom-of-the-barrel leeches making money off of gullible bottom-of-the-barrel people in the industry.
Because being part of the union also means they're forced to do the work the union picks for them. So they just sign under a different name and bam, loophole. It's so fucking stupid.
Where would games be without voice acting!?
You don't because there's more talented people than you that will scab the instant this strike happens. Nobody needs your untrained voice.
Not to mention that half the usual suspects will probably scab under false names anyway.
I think he's merely bait anon. More specifically, he's pretending to be an actual corporation.
But if the union is protecting workers from horrible work conditions, yet they're willingly choosing those work conditions all the time of their own free will, how horrible even is it?
Even if this union strike demands new shit, guess what, all these union VA's will still be working non-union jobs and still be working under the old conditions
This whole shit is pointless isn't it
Y'know where Yuri Lowenthal and Steve Blum are during this? Still working on some of the most esteemed projects in the world because voice actors are replaceable and bitching about it will get the VAU nowhere lol
Buy a decent microphone.
Print out or put up all your favorite segments in whatever.
then send out demos to positions.
Also volunteer your voice to shitty indie games.
I don't think that is possible, most of his whinny tweets were pretty cringe worthy to most people I would think. He just stuck himself onto this movement(like a leech) after it started to gain some steam.
BACK TO GORDON/ISAAC SILENT PROTAGANISTS AND CHRONO CROSS STYLE TEXT DIALOGUES!
Shark Tale, anon. But having Will Smith also DIDN'T sell the game.
A good animated movie sells itself by its story and writing. A good VA certainly helps, but they aren't the sell point.
Did you watch EPIC? Beyonce was in it. How about Turbo with Ryan Reynolds and Snoopy Snoop Dogg?
Epic barely broke even on the US and Turbo didn't even reach 85 million domestically out of its 135 million budget. They both recouped through international sales, but those have NOTHING to do with VA, since each other non-english country have local VAs
Doesn't change the fact that VAs are demanding special treatment that is not being given to anyone else in the production. If developers had enough leverage to demand royalties they would have done it a long time ago, but that is simply not the economics of the games industry. Everyone wants to be a game developer because it's their dream job, which means that everyone in the field has to either get shit pay or risk being downsized.
The VAs are simply being entitled, and that's not a word I use lightly. They look at how movie stars get treated and they see themselves as gaming's equivelent, and they don't understand why they don't get the kind of royal treatment that movie stars get. They do not appreciate that game developers work long, hard hours for 2-5 years per project.
"Game developers should get royalties too!" is no excuse for the VA union thinking that they deserve priority. Someone in the union has to have looked at the condition of game developers and thought "I guess they're not important enough to go on strike. Good thing we are, though!", because otherwise they would not be striking.
>Do some animal crossing shit
>Hire non-union workers who are cheaper
>If you're a japanese company try to keep only one language if nothing special stops you, otherwise just suck it up
The irony is that Dark Souls uses non-union actors, and they are better than most of the unionized VAs that I've heard in gaming.
I believe in watching foreign media in it's native language, which means that's good for me. There's just something gross about corrupting the creative vision of a project's creator.
Niche studios localizing small Japanese games never get union actors... or they do but they just don't list them in the credits. Everyone knows its them because people know their voices, but they don't get the byline.
The dub was forced on him by higher ups, who held to the industry idea that games without dubs don't sell. He knew his target audience would all be playing in Japanese anyway, so he grabbed family and friends together to fuck around. It was a borderline joke dub without any effort put in, just to please his bosses.
>Wil Wheaton and Felicia Day
Why am I not fucking surprised.
What is wrong with those two? Like really, there's just something off, this whiff of bullshittery and smugness, all while being "yay so nerdy and funnn :)) nice internet celebs!!". It's sickening.
>Still letting unions exist post 1970's
They're nothing but blood sucking leeches that have you chip in by the twisted arm, and will red tape you to fuck and back if you ever need them to get off their asses and assess a claim or violation
>This whole shit is pointless isn't it
Yeah pretty much. It's why I'm not heartbroken over all this. There are some great VAs and I'd be sad as fuck to see them go, but fuck them this is a money stunt. They've been in the biz for years and weren't starving, no reason to suddenly get hungry now.
>Doesn't change the fact that VAs are demanding special treatment that is not being given to anyone else in the production
Have you actually read their demands? Basic human safety is not "Special treatment".
And what's this bullshit about priority? Again, it's not a fucking competition.
Companies encourage actors to do non-union work by enticing them with particularly good conditions. If there were no unions companies wouldn't do that. It's a spiral.
Also in order for unions to have any effect they need to put the good of the whole before the individual so that sometimes minority suffers (by not getting paid while striking even though they had acceptable conditions) so that everyone has a better deal in the end
here's how funimation decided to dub a recent show.
This is what you'll eventually run into when you rely on dubs for foreign media.
> Tony Jay will not come back to life to voice vidya in your lifetime
Vidya game developers and publishers I say this.
Fly me out to wherever it is lines need to be recorded and I'll do the shit for half the price these cocksuckers are currently getting.
When one party goes on strike, all parties in the same place get compared and suddenly it's red vs blue vs orange vs yellow.
>the next FOTM gimmick is going to be mute/deaf characters
Unions themselves aren't bad, any institution that has too much power will become corrupt. The key is the balancing act.
Personal anecdote, my nephew needed a heart transplant and was in the hospital for several months. My sisters health insurance covered all expenses but her boss tried to get her kicked off their coverage. The union she belonged to slapped that shit down immediately.
They want stunt pay for ACTUALLY PERFORMING STUNTS.
Jesus fucking christ for someone who seems to whole heartedly advocate dropping voice acting entirely, you sure can't fucking read.
>Doing this in prison school of all series
Voice acting is terrible too.
>particularly good conditions.
How the fuck do poor ass niche anime game dub companies give "particularly good conditions"?
>so that everyone has a better deal in the end
So then they can just go to more non-union deals, all while talking about how the union protects them. It reeks of being two-faced. "I need the union! It protects me from bad working conditions! WORKERS RIGHTS!!! WORKERS RIGHTS!!! Now excuse me while I run away from my protective union for a bit..."
No, no. My point was so much of the industry is in the pocket of SAG-AFTRA the notion you could have a career in America as a media performer without being a member is extremely unlikely as your work options are severely limited. You are certainly never going to make it "big" without being a member.
Doing non-union work is not going to piss off the unions all that much but crossing the picket will. It's a risk to do it if you really want a career as a VA.
>$200 an hour
On one hand, they do have quite a bit of practice and experience doing what they do and many of them are pretty good honestly.
On the other, this sounds more like an act of job-protection than a demand for respect.
$200 is pretty generous and movie-stars only make what they make because they have celebrity status which is a lot of weight behind selling movies sometimes. I wouldn't be surprised if, without the fame, Movie stars made the same as voice-actors
That can be resolved by any decent lawyer though
Meanwhile, teachers are relaxing in Intermission buildings on the peoples buck for 5+ years over molesting/beating kids or being ass bad teachers
Wut? That was steven merchant, Wil Wheaton is some cunt that was on stark trek and won't let people forget it, his only voice acting roll was abraham lincoln in that shitty project steam game.
>or just generic kikery
Pretty much this. The insurance company didn't want to pay and told her boss to find a way to get her off the coverage.
America, if that wasn't obvious.
>That can be resolved by any decent lawyer though
I know if there's one thing the american justice system is known for, it's supporting the party who's been truly wronged over the party with more money to drag the case out.
I miss the time when voice acting was done by programmers and various development staff. Even if this is true for the US, that won't stop Japanese games from hiring A-listers to bloat their budget, since Japanese voice actors are exponentially more expensive than even Unionized ones.
For fuck's sake, if they make a game about invading Russians, they should get the guys together, drink a few shots of Vodka, and do their best, most offensive Russian stereotypes.
In the movie industry it's not the actors that do the most work hourwise either. Stop thinking that the amount of effort put = value.
In theory every single memeber of the team making a movie/game is essential, but in pratice you can easily get another editor and not suffer in terms of sales while hiring a lesser known actor will fuck you over.
It's less of an issue in VA world, but here it's a matter of competence rather than relevance. There aren't really that many good VAs for devs to be picky. It's a hard skill to learn and a risky one to even try ro learn. Most people who could be good at it get much more money and fame in Hollywood.
Becoming a dev requires time input but after a couple of years of learning you'll be decent enough for non-managerial position where you are told what to do and do it.
VA requires probably the same time input but the result is not certain. It also requires talent and after spending X years trying to become one you'll realise you suck. This is why there are much more devs to choose from than VAs. We're talking about simply competent ones of course, exceptional devs are probably as hard to find as exceptional VAs.
I feel like an idiot, however thank you for not ousting me for it.
As someone who has been programming for 3 years now. As long as I made enough wages to live in a decent apartment with good internet and A good computer. I would be pretty happy with my job...
I don't see why they should be paid more for no increase in quality when it comes to VA.
If we see a significant rise in VA quality in videogames after this then great it was worth it. But as it sounds right now it's just a bunch of whiners wanting to get paid more for the stuff they shit out now. And thats fucking stupid.
It would probably be for mocap stuff There's a couple of side by sides of some mocapped VA scenes on youtube and it's not unreasonable to think they would want more money for doing physical acting verses just their voice. Having a stunt Coordinator is also pretty smart to ensure everything goes by as smoothly as possible and know one could get hurt. I'm against residuals though
>Any decent lawyer
>Letting a company drag ass for anything longer than a month
With the level of information nowadays, every day the Insurance doesn't settle is a day the lawyer can go to town on the media over this tragedy
Teachers are also underpaid to hell and anyone that teaches beyond elementary school is doing it for passion. And then that passion will turn into bitterness once they deal with enough shitters.
productivity in the US has gone up just as fast as it ever has in history yet median income hasnt gone up AT ALL since 2000. Guess what that means? rich people dont want to give money to their workers so hard that even with unions it doesnt affect the median income.
>literally what is median income
I know... I know. theres kids out there that for some reason have an opinion about things that dont affect them yet.
VA are not responsible for drawing in audiences to anywhere near the degree a movie actor is.
Movie actors get so much because they genuinely are that valuable to the success of a production, VA get shit because they are not.
>How the fuck do poor ass niche anime game dub companies give "particularly good conditions"?
We paid you X before your union went on strike. We will pay you a bit more if you come back under a fake name or we'll let you phone your lines in so you don't have to travel etc.
>I need the union! It protects me from bad working conditions! WORKERS RIGHTS!!! WORKERS RIGHTS!!! Now excuse me while I run away from my protective union for a bit...
I'm not defending people who belong to a union and than break the rules. I think they are scum who abuse the solidarity of their fellow professionals. I'm just explaining the reasoning behind why people take non-union jobs while belonging to a union.
Post your face when a new era of magnificent VA's incoming.
Now you understand what film has done to the average opinion.
People somehow hold them higher than all other mediums and then we will inevitably spiral down to the art vs not art conversation.
Then again, film does have a significant amount of decades over vidya
Pyotr and the Wolf is by Sergei Prokofiev. Disney just made an animation based on the piece.
That said, dynamic, character-interaction-based soundtracks would be GOAT. Like the gel/laser/grid incidental music from Portal 2, but for everything.
Fuck you I thought Brutal Legend 2 was announced.
Nah I'd prefer my games with little to no dialogue at all and little to no hand holding either. DOOM had maybe 3 text scrolls and those didn't come until the beginning or end of every episode which not only had 9 missions of gameplay in between them, but could be totally skipped if you wanted.>>312388324
>SNK finally gets on toonami
>all this "hype" for it building up to it "we're bringing it to the west with our marketing lel, it's an ANIME WALKING DEAD!!"
>finally airs after a fucking year
>constantly gets shit ratings and is a cancer on the programming block
>gets shit on by the whole western 'fandom' who already got addicted to the sub and can't get used to the new voices
A whole generation of new anime fans, raised by subs...A NEW AGE.
I'd rather funimation just die. Their webrips are fucking horrendous and blinding with their brightness. They probably do it on purpose so people buy their worthless dead media that are physical discs. Protip to companies: Normies talk about their NETFLIX watching addiction now, not their DVD buying addiction, it's not 2005 anymore.
They even fucking DELAY SUBS so their shitty "simuldubs" can be posted at the same time a few days later. FUCK FUNI.
Nah the thing is, subs are becoming the point of entry level now, with dubs being a thing of the past and for older toonamifags. Causals wanna talk about all the newest hottestcurrently-airing seasonal anime now, like SNK or KLK or SOA or whatever, and not wait a fucking year for BDs or wait for the non-existent television airings. Crunchy even gets custom advertisements from fucking Game Grumps and totalbiscuit and shit like that, reaching hundreds of thousands of young people.
Anime dubs are going the way of the dodo. Hopefully the same will happen to anime games soon.
Sure, but it also looks like if any part fucks up someone could get seriously injured. Lots of people got hurt during the production of that Spider-Man Broadway show, for example, because there wasn't good safety oversight.
I don't know if you've ever had to actually get a lawyer in your life anonymous, but you may be surprised that they do not work for free, you're billed by the hour.
If you're lucky enough to get a lawyer to work on contingency(unlikely since this would be a wrongful termination case), then they'll creatively account their representation to eat up atleast half of the final judgement(or plain out all of it, if you live in a state without caps)
What makes you think they are scarce?
The fact that you hear the same voices over and over again? That's just because the people hiring voice actors don't give a shit, they just pick the names at the top of the list and it's always the same names at the top of the list.
Although I will agree genuinely talented voice actors, like Billy West for example, are scarce, just like genuinely talented actors are scarce. The likes of Troy Baker and Jennifer Hale are pathetic in comparison to his abilities as a VA.
tfw I'm a VA and I don't get what all the fucking fuss is about. Just go in, do your lines, and get your check.Though to be fair, having a VA perform mocap is fucking stupid.
>Blum and Bailey actually have really good range if you look up their early work
>Every director wants them to same voice the role
>Now a bunch of newgrounds rejects think they can be big name VAs
Well film is a giant hugbox controlled by a small group anyway.
>Yfw people actually pay money to attend a script writing class only to find out their teacher doesn't think giving an honest opinion is the right thing to do
honestly have no idea but I know there videos out there of Naughty Dog making the entire Uncharted cast do em.
While it isn't that big of a thing for most of the VAs, Scullys is in his 70's or 80's at this point
>fighting for better pay and working conditions with your band of brothers is considered beta while taking it up the ass from your employer and being underpayed is alpha
Go be a profiteering Jew somewhere else Schlomo.
>There are regular laws to protect that so you don't need Unions.
Oh great, laws that could easily be replaced with labour union contracts instead. So not only do you suck corporate cock; you suck state cock as well.
Some dub works, some don't.
Like YuYu for example.
An anomaly of a series that both has a superior dub AND animation to the original manga agreed upon by the creator. And all while in the 90's which was a notoriously awkward time for both.
How did Relic do it /v/?
How did they create such fucking amazing VA's in their games with the shitty talent that is western voice acting?
What fucking magic is this?
Fucking Troy Baker shit on the original Silent Hill voice actors for doing the same shit 3 years ago
Nah it'll just end with them going back to work without a pay increase, despite what you may think they are like devs where you can fire and hire really easily, there's a sea of horrible wannabes and VA directors and publishers don't want to have to spend time looking for actual talent
VGVA's too big for its britches. They're not SAG, with huge, binding agreements with every major production company in the US. Any video game developer can hire any voice actor they want, the guild has only ensured that their own people won't be on the call list.
>Voice actors think they matter
>The highest rated PC game and highest rated game of 2015 on metacritic has no voice acting
Good I'm tired of hearing the same mother fuckers use the same fucking voice for everything that they're in and that's every fucking VA because it must be a crime to hire someone who hasn't been used before.
People can bitch and whine about being tired of VA'ing. But they'll miss it once it's gone. And no matter how much you love jap voices, you'll get tired of them too. Especially the out of place ones once the new glow gets old.
It's just something standard we take for granted.
If only the writing was better
Laurentius of the Great Swamp is one of the most memorable voices in gaming for me. Am I the only one who remembers this guy? He was a real nigga.
Dark Souls had great voice work
That's ture, he got a lot of popularity from there, now can you tell me where it had any twitter political dramawhoring, overblown kickstarters, endless delays, big celebrity/industry names, DLC, early access shit, OR any fucking voice acting?
Pretty sure things like Microsoft budgets (Fez and Phil Fish), or multi-hundred million AAA budgets, are worth more than a (fucking dead) webcomic, the connections of which aren't even advertised anywhere. Unless you think all the reviewers like Jim Sterling and so on were covert homestuck fans.
The number of them. Programmers are just too replaceable because of how many there are. There are far fewer professional VA's, even of the less than satisfactory ones. The thing is here that most of voice acting tends to be a very small and select group, regardless of the size of the project. One actor will usually do 5-6 different fully voiced characters, and auxiliary "grunts" and such for another 10 in 35 different situations. Next time you play a voice acted game, even without dialogue, listen to how many different death yells there are. Those were probably all done by the same guy. Yelling that much is not good for you.
But anyway, small professional pool for VA's, not so much for programmers.
I would be TOTALLY fine with a VA strike if it wasn't obvious that the union is creating an extremely limited pool of actors
WHY THE FUCK IS TROY BAKER OCELOT IN MGSV
HE WAS FUCKING AWFUL
HIS FUCKING ACCENT AND TONE CHANGES EVERY GODDAMN LINE
AND NOBODY EVER COMMENTED ON IT BECAUSE "OH IT'S TROY BAKER HE'S SO GOOD~"
>they're actually going to be striking
>Persona 5's going to be delayed EVEN FURTHER because of this shit and like hell Atlus USA will just give us the JP voices
At this rate, I should just learn moon and import the fucking thing.
Just VAs being salty because they couldn't make it as real actors.
Video games aren't like films. A video game's popularity doesn't ride on its acting talent. No one buys video games because their favourite voice actors star in them. For them to say that they are entitled to residuals, when there are 100 other people on the team whose jobs are both harder and more important than theirs, is sheer arrogance.
No one even cares if the performance in a video game is good. Voice acting is remembered more for being cheesy and bad than it is for being good, and it's not like putting in a good performance will elevate the absolutely awful standards for storytelling in games.
They only reason the same handful of voice actors get all the work is because it's a "clique" you have to weasel your way into. These guys are about to find out the hard way just how many amateurs there are waiting in the wings who would gladly accept payment in peanuts just for the opportunity to even BE in a video game.
There's also nothing wrong with pointing out that their strike would/will fail miserably due to amount of scabs in the VA industry, and that nobody buys games for certain VAs
Didn't you fags said that 5 years ago?
The quality of the voices don't matter either, that's what I mean. The immediacy of subs beat out the relevancy of dubs, which only really became a big thing that young fans got attached to because of television. and if there's anything that defines media watchers today, it's that they want everything RIGHT NOW, and subs serve that purpose. With the internet and youtube being as huge as it is now, games like FE and P5 are going to cause some ripples, especially with all the spoilers flying everywhere.
And there are several magnitudes more anime original voice actors than there are anime dub voice actors, so there's already more variety there period. Unless by variety, you mean things like gamergate references in your dub scripts.
That really depends anon, they sort of are replaceable in this day and age.
Yamaha has got Vocaloid working to such a degree that it can simulate real conversations in nipponese - essentially Jap VA's are on notice as they could be replaced any time with software.
Vocaloid sounds like shit in English right now, but only as Yamaha hasn't really bothered with the language and its many dialects - but if the Western VA's push too hard, there might be enough interest from Western Publishers and the possibility of western TV/Cinema uses that Yamaha could potentially 'port' Vocaloid to English.
Once that happens, the VA's are fucked.
They're digging their own grave, one dollar sign at a time.
>No Burch in P5
Also, is Keith David in the union? If we're getting a Dissidia sequel, I hope he comes back for the role of Chaos
If I recall, one of the actual rules the strike is trying to push is basically requiring the devs to hire VAs if they have voice acting in the game, the devs can't voice characters themselves
> like hell Atlus USA will just give us the JP voices
TPP plus they can patch in english voices later, they'll just release japanese voices because no way in hell they're gonna be held up by talentless cuckjws
or just hire scabs like everyone is gonna do
>>Persona 5's going to be delayed EVEN FURTHER because of this shit and like hell Atlus USA will just give us the JP voices
That'll just get more people angrier than ever. You know how many casuals love Persona? They're going to wonder what's going on when that shit goes down.
Atlus will cave under the pressure.
Oh no, how will it break my immersion to not hear the apathetic shout "Ramirez, shoot down that helicopter". Maybe those faggots should first do a decent job, like Bell, Templeman and Jay and then demand more money for it?
probably and it is total shit now tbh. real talk though european actors ruined western film once jews found out they work for less than half of what american actors get paid. Shit any good american actor has made his own production company at this point and we are getting good movies once again. It may take another 5 years for vidya to realize this.
>Yamaha has got Vocaloid working to such a degree that it can simulate real conversations in nipponese - essentially Jap VA's are on notice as they could be replaced any time with software.
Japanese VA's are big business for the media that uses them. They're actual celebrities that push units for their anime and games and so on, unlike like the west. A show having a "vocaloid cast" will be nothing more than a gimmick.
I'm actually having a hard time coming up with any upcoming games I'd miss voice actors for. I guess Destiny is the only ongoing series I don't want to see changing everything, especially after the Ghost improvement. Halo would probably be top of the list, but 343 has killed most of that interest and Halo 5 has already finished development. The only upcoming game I'd miss people on would be Deus Ex. And I guess it could fuck up Fallout 4 DLC.
I don't know if it's good or bad that there aren't any series that I'm so attached to that I'd miss someone. I guess it just reflects on where we are now, maybe because of the current gen still being semi-young. Honestly I hope it leads to more variety than Nolan North, Troy Baker, and the same 30 or 40 people being in every game
>well known voice actors go on strike
>vidya says fuck it and hires new talent instead of the same five people every game
>all those talentless hacks like Baker and Hayter are voluntarily out of work
I like where this is going
you probably think george lucas ruined star wars with his writing when in fact it was the shitty no name actors he chose. The writing wasnt bad at all it was the execution.
>Atlus might be forced to stop shoehorning shitty english dubs into everything they localize
FUCKING BEST NEWS SO FAR THIS WEEK!
>I'm actually having a hard time coming up with any upcoming games I'd miss voice actors for
Honestly only thing I can think of would be that next Southpark game and we don't have to worry about that since the makers voice 95% of the characters.
I really hope a few midgets decide to scab.
There is nothing worse than an obvious grown woman trying too hard to sound like a child.
Midgets are perfect for voicing kids. They have the right range and the right size of lungs (even the best female VA can't hide her adult female size lungs).
I am fine with this as video game voice acting as become stale. The most recent western game that had great voice acting didn't even use people who normally voice act in video games. Maybe now developers will get some new blood and I won't hear the same 5 faggots in every video game.
miku will soon dub our games?
HAPPENING SOON, FELLOWS
also if this slows down fucking xseed's TiTS: SC even more than I pray they just don't hire any fucking piece of shit professional voice dubbers and just have the translator read the battlecry dialogues. Seriously, let me hear some guy named Steve ham it up by trying to properly portray Alicia's SMUG.
We'll all be putting them back to the Japanese despise XSEED's faggotry at refusing to include JPN voicepack (which would be prohibitively expensive to pay for because of THE FUCKING ELEVENS HAD A FUCKING UNION THAT DEMANDS A MILLION BILLION DOLLARS TO USE ORIGINAL VOICES)
MGSV, both TPP and GZ, had awful voice direction, and made Ocelot, one of the most charismatic villains in gaming, and turned him into a glorified encyclopedia
It was a shit game that proved Kojima's a hack
They barely even help teachers anymore. My father is a high school teacher and has seen his already shitty pay steadily decrease over the last decade as the union agrees on lower and lower wages and more and more costly health insurance.
NO MORE MOVIE GAMES
NEW GOLDEN AGE WILL DAWN
>Full cast of literally who VAs
>Some of the most memorable and good voice acting in recent memory
But no, we totally need Troy Baker and Liam O'Brien doing every character.
>(which would be prohibitively expensive to pay for because of THE FUCKING ELEVENS HAD A FUCKING UNION THAT DEMANDS A MILLION BILLION DOLLARS TO USE ORIGINAL VOICES)
I think this is just a lie, honestly. Anime localization companies -always- release the original voice track in with their releases, it'd be UNHEARD OF to not do so.
And yet, game companies can't? Especially fucking huge companies like square or whatever. Even the cheap niche ones are mostly on the same financial level of anime dubbers.
What's the big difference between anime and games, that anime can always include the JP voices, but games can't? They all use the same japanese voice actors anyways.
So this is it. The death of the western game market, and by extension the death of PC gaming. You know that the Japs sure as fuck won't make PC games, and any and all games will run to the PlayStation without looking back.
>tfw you bought a PC
You are. Not that it affects you economiacally since the union still pays you. Strikes are a battle between corporations and workers about who can survive bleeding out the other the longest.
That's why punctual strikes are fairly common; the union will just order one very important person to go on strike while allowing the rest to work, but the person that's on strike is someone that's hard to replace.
Example of this is when some dockworkers won a battle by just letting the dude operating the cranes go ons trike.
>NA VA want more money
>japs say fuck that
>persona 5 with jap only dub and english subs
had the most fun with a vidya game in 20 years on a recently produced movie game. Yfw movie games are actually getting better than just vidya gmaes.
It's not so much the fact western games will disappear, as it will be that PC games will no longer exist. In the PS2 generation, there were nothing but shoddy console ports, and the occasional strategy game. This generation onwards will be a repeat of that, if not worse off.
That's the problem with Sony controlling all major markets as opposed to just one.
>it'd be UNHEARD OF to not do so.
Persona 4 the anime didn't have JP voices outside Japan. I don't think The Golden blurays did either. Fate/zero's box set was the same price here as Japan to get JP voices too.
movie really hit their peak somewhere in the mid to late PS2 generation
>King Kong the Vidya
>Scarface the Vidya
>Godfather the Vidya
>couple decent to alright Terminator vidya
>Predator Concrete Jungle
Also Jaws the vidya but it was hilariously terrible
Also Ghostbusters the Vidya game from last gen was fantastic
more like the death of shitty AAA games.
Budgets are already bloated as all fuck, and the consumers ARE resisting growing pricetags by either waiting for price-drop/using discount sites like Greenman/proxying to buy games in for $10 worth of Brazilian pesos/pirating the game/NOT PLAYING GAMES ANYMORE.
Or at least sensible consumers are--console peasants gladly eat shit and pay $100 for it so long as the publisher made sure to go and market how delicious their NEW & STEAMING HOT plate of shit is.
Robin Atkin Downes
Probably someone else I'm forgetting
I guarantee they're the main culprits. I would pay extra to never have to hear these samevoice faggots again. They can't even begin to compare themselves to legendary TV voice actors like Dan Castellaneta or Billy West, who can do 30 distinctly different voices on the fly without missing a beat.
That is unusual, but those are both "game" anime.
Maybe there's something about the game industry there that's totally different from the anime one, even though they use all the same VAs.
Actually I was more talking about the smaller series. if a poor ass anime dubber can get a dozen shows and have them all subbed and a few dubbed, why can't a poor ass game dubber do the same? Instead of just usually never getting the JP voices even for small niche games. It makes no sense.
>What he's done to it
You mean how he copypasted a shit load of mods developed by others, shoehorned them into the game, didn't deliver on promises and then released an unfinished Minecraft as a 1.0 because Reddit couldn't stop sucking his cock?
ghostbusters the video game killed my favorite game studio... It was a genuinly good game written by the original cast and VA'ed by them as well. There was nothing missing but it was a flop. RIP TR you didnt deserve this and so many others did.
>hear about this
>people talking about designers and developers
>remember that designers don't actually exist
You know why modern Triple A games are so derivative? It's because designers are rare. Most "designers" literally don't know how to do anything except copy other games.
>overhearing a conservation between two guys making a game and their discussion was talking about whether they should go with the Dark Souls combat system or the Batman combat system.
Funimation announced that they're going to change that line after the outrage it caused.
For real tho, who the fuck was he trying to impress? Did he think Anita was going to buy the dvds?
to be fair to ole Camel Jane, she was doing alright for herself before getting tied up with Wheaton and his superiority pity parties.
I'll never forget the impotent rage that fucker felt when Syfy channel cancelled his show because people were actively tuning out when it came on
I hope this blows up in their face.
Not that I don't think they deserve more but the ignorance they have in thinking that their performance has an active contribution to a game's overwhelming success is sickening to me.
You are just so fucking desperate to review that golden age you would try to emulate ANYTHING related to it. You think those games were good because of shoddy voice acting? You fucking moron.
I'm sure 2007 was the last hurrah of the AAA market, as it had the most innovative and intriguing games of last generation. But that doesn't change the fact, it's largely the western AAA devs that make PC versions of their games. Now the B-rated developers will make "everything but PC and Nintendo" games, just as the case was for 6th gen. You know the Japanese sure as FUCK aren't going to make games for PC, especially when Sony has Japanese developers in a stranglehold.