What went right?
How did they make a character that was edgy in a comical way instead of an ansty wangsty TWISTED FUCKING PSYCHOPATH way?
The 'Statement: Answer' system kept a sense of contrast which actually gave some weight to the edge.
When a character's tone is '100% FREAKOUT ALL DAY ERRYDAY' it just has no sense of meaning.
Snide Justification: It seems the combination of sarcasm and general bloodythirstiness of the HK unit was a success due to competent and passionate writing. This is something all synthetic lifeforms already know,
Reminder that TOR exists and that nothing in KOTOR I or II is canon anymore.
He's a mid boss pansey in the fight against Revan in the original content (no idea about the Revan stuff in the expansion) and then he gets rebuilt for the fight against Darth Malgus and you defeat him again. Shit sucks.
he stands around shooting lasers at jedi in melee in a glorified tank'n spank
while an actual HK 47 boss battle should have been largely non traditional with him tricking people into traps and shit like that, you know like an assassin
that video is pretty much a "how to make a HK-47 boss battle"
And this is how you know faggots never played the games.
The one specifically on OP image is the robot you find after Kreia and Atton joins your party and starts attacking you. But what would you know if you are both brainless baboons right?
I barely remember any dialogue from 1.
>Love is knowing your target, putting them in your target reticule, and together achieving a singular purpose against statistically long odds.
Yeah good point. But it doesn't change the fact its a shitty boss fight and does exactly everything he said NOT to do against Jedi and shit.
He would have at least been served better as this one fight you have as the Republic where the main boss has a sniper rifle and you have to line of sight take cover from him or he rips open your asshole with it.
Reassuring falsehood: Thank you for the contribution, kind meatbag. You have enriched our discourse with your wisdom.
would have been awesome had the HK-47 fight been one massive subversion of standard MMO tactics
say it starts out with him on the other end of a hallway, you charge him you run into insta kill mines, to reach him you gotta head through a side passage
Yep. Would have been fucking great. Oh well.
That whole dungeon felt like the devs going "FUCK YOU OUR NEW GAME IS AWESOME. AND SO MUCH COOLER."
Though I hear the OTHER Revan with the expansion is cool as fuck.
It's lackluster. You have like two conversations with him the whole fucking expansion, and he spends the rest of the time offscreen. And you spent 70% of the story fighting pirates and questing on behalf of a bunch super-politically-correct-bird-people on a goofy ramshackle pirate planet instead of fighting Revan and his cult.
Revan himself is pretty badass but he doesn't come across as a brilliant strategist at all, and the way they justified him being the villain in it is fucking retarded.
to be fair though, a lot of Revan's strategic brilliance was added to his character retroactively in KOTOR 2
it was strange to meet characters in that game that knew Revan better than you did at any point during KOTOR 1 despite you know, player as him
I've played Shadow of Revan.
BIG spoilers below:
After the Imperial party (only imp characters fight Revan) defeats him and he vanishes into the force or whatever, he re-appears having started up his cult again, his goal being to give the Emperor (whom the JK character fought and destroyed his corporeal body) another body so that Revan can finish him off permanently. He doesn't realize that by doing this he will essentially be giving the Emperor what he wants and killing all life. All the characters and you are confused as to how he can still be alive since he was known to be dead. You fight his underlings for a while, and eventually chase him to Yavin 4. You have the option of forming your own raid group to fight him OR to fight him solo with the help of the major characters (Theron Shan, Satele Shan, Darth Marr, Lana Beniko, & Jakarro). Either way you do a REALLY FUCKING GOOD AND COOL raid boss fight against Revan. Once he is defeated, you find out his dual personalities (dark side & light side) split after his defeat by the Imperials, and his dark side self was orchestrating this all along without the light side self, leading to hurr im stupid evil. The light side self gives cryptic messages throughout the storyline, you don't find out about him until just before the boss fight. Anyway, once he's defeated, they merge again and become one entity, which promptly finally kills him, and now Revan is dead (for real this time)
When I write it all down it does, but while I was doing the expansion it didn't seem that bad. The only thing that seemed far fetched was the
split personality with dark side controlling his dead bodything.
I recently finished their newly-released expansion Knights of the Fallen Empire. At least, they released the first 9 chapters of it anyway, there is supposedly more to come.
Want me to sum up the retarded story to that too? Its even worse than SoR.
it can't be worse since at least its not taking a dump on a beloved character that should have had a VASTLY better storyline than "that"
and here I was thinking that one fucking book crapping all over the exile (and T3 while they're at it) was the worst
It's not worse than SoR in my opinion, but still not very good either. It's pretty much what you can expect from Bioware these days though.
So far Valkorion is the only saving grace.
Lay it on me. I sustain myself with my hatred for Bioware.
Ok here we go.
I might have to split it into separate posts.
Darth Marr contacts you saying hes hunting down where the Emperor went to at the end of SoR (he laughs and does a big explosion thingy then vanishes after the Revan boss-fight), you go to his Imperial Star Destroyer and the both of you are promptly ambushed by a MASSIVE fleet that completely fucking wrecks the ship. You release the docking clamps allowing your companions to escape on your ship but leaving you behind with Marr. There is a darkside/lightside choice of whether to crash the ship into another enemy ship or tell the crew to evacuate. Naturally, Marr is a huge fedoracore who approves of killing everyone for the sake of blowing up one ship. Cut to black. Later, you wake up in a prison with Marr having been captured by the Infinite Empire, who used their Infinite Fleet to wreck Marr's ship. Both of you are marched to the Emperor of this Infinite Empire, who surprise surprise, turns out to be the same Emperor from the Sith Empire with a different body. He also has two children (did have 3 but one was killed by his brother). He makes a speech full of bullshit, and asks Marr to kneel before him and serve him again. Marr refuses, being pissed that the Emperor ignored his first empire in favor of this one, and is promptly blasted into death by an insanely bloom-enhanced force lightning from Valkorion (thats the Emperors new name). Valkorion makes the same offer to you, and if you accept, his son Arcann stabs him in the back, puts the blame on you, and imprisons you. If you refuse his offer, Valkorion tells Arcann to kill you, Arcann instead springs you free of your restraints and starts fighting his father, who blocks his lightsaber strikes by holding his hand up. Sounds dumb but it looks really cool, wish sages/sorcerers could do it.
More to come.
Of course Arcann loses the fight against Valkorion, until you pick up his lightsaber and stab him in the back. In both cases, Valkorion does a ritual thing while hes dying to infuse himself with you and you fall unconscious. Arcann puts the blame on you, and imprisons you in carbonite and becomes the new Emperor in both cases. While in carbonite, you have a really trippy dream sequence with Valkorion (who is now in your mind as a force ghost or something), where he tries to corrupt you and turn you to his side. Later, you are woken up from carbonite (though still poisoned from it) by Lana Beniko who has come to break out the 'Outlander' (thats what the Infinite Empire calls you), as you are, and I quote 'the only one who could stop them'. She does this even if you are not a force users, which I personally think is really stupid. Anyway an escape-from-prison sequence follows with you periodically suffering from carbonite poisoning, there is another lightside/darkside choice towards the ending involving a reactor that Vaylin (Valkorions daughter) overloads in order to kill you and everyone else in a large area. If you stay to shut it off, Lana gets pissed at you and bitches but her pilot Koth (he's a huge faggot nigger with a hard on for valkorion, trust me on this one) approves given his status as huge faggot nigger. Either way, you fight some Knights (new enemies with lightsaber-pikes and shields), and escape, only to immediately take a hit from anti-air turrets and crash in the swamp outside the prison complex. You dick around in the swamp for a while until you find a huge ship half-buried in the muck called the Gravestone, which has a deus ex machina 'omnicannon' which is capable of blowing up hundreds of ships at a time via some sort of chain reaction thing. Its 'the only weapon that could defeat the Infinite Fleet'.
More to come, these were just the first 4 chapters.
you were so fucking close bioware
>freezing in carbonite
anyone else sorta pissed how common this became?
It didn't seem like anything close to standard procedure in the original trilogy when first used, more like something Vader thought of on the spot as something that could actually restrain a force user for a prolonged period
You fix the gravestone with Koth and Lana, are attacked, during the attack Lanas in trouble and could die. Now you have to understand, this expansion makes a REALLY BIG DEAL about companions being permanently killable. They do this with Marr, and later again to illustrate this. Valkorion stops time somehow and offers to save Lanas life if you give him control for a moment. I opted to do so since I didn't want her to die, despite being a lightside jedi knight. Not sure what happens if you refuse, but he blasts his extremely bloom-enhanced force lightning out from you in a wave destroying fucking EVERYTHING that was threatening you and Lana. Another character joins you here, a rogue Knight (can't remember her name, sorry, shes just so forgettable). Koth hates her guts. Anyway after the fight you fix the Gravestone and take off, and head to a neutral smuggler outpost. There you do a bunch of pointless shit and meet Tanno Vik (hes a trooper companion), and have to save Koths crew of engineers from him to finish fixing the Gravestone. You also follow the rogue Knight to a secret spot and meet her 'friends' which turn out to be the Scions. The Scions were a group of force users who had visions of the future and followed them like zealots, believing destiny can't be changed. They used to serve Valkorion, they idolize him like Koth does. You go through a bunch of trials, they realize that Valkorion is living inside your head and reveal it if you have not done so already to Lana and the others. After this you leave the outpost and go back to Zakuul to find the 'lady of sorrow'. Once you get there, you tromp around the undercity slums for a while until you find her, she turns out to be SCORPIO (imperial agent companion). You also kill some zealots along the way, and of course some fucking recognizes you, and Arcann follows you when you leave with SCORPIO to the smuggler outpost. He ambushes you there with Vaylin and an army
I don't see much of a problem, it might just be you
>friend convinces me to play TOR with him
>Roll up a Trooper, he plays a Jedi Knight
>we do a flashpoint together, the first one on the spaceship
>It's hysterical, we wanna do more
His computer breaks down two days later
I still have that Trooper sitting there waiting.
Arcann & his army kill all the Scions and he has a confrontation with you in the Scions 'throne room'. He tells you that if you surrender your companions will be free to go, he will take the gravestone and put you back in carbonite until he, and I quote 'finds a way to rid you of his father'. Arcann REALLY HATES Valkorion by the way. If you accept, Valkorion gets extremely pissed at you, and intervenes, appearing as a force ghost and telling his son he will never be rid of him unless he kills the Outlander (you). Arcann then attacks you. If you refuse the deal, Arcann attacks you. You fight for a while, but your duel is interrupted by a mortar shell or something similar landing directly on the building you're in, collapsing it and separating you. You escape from the building and return to the Gravestone, fighting through the Infinite Army all the way. Koth tells you that they are controlling the docking clamps and you have to go release them. You take Lana and do this. Rogue Knight, Koth and his engineers stay to defend the ship. While you are gone, Rogue Knight gets into a duel versus Vaylin. Now, the game goes through a lot of trouble to illustrate just how stupid strong Vaylin is with the force. She's seen ripping blast doors off their hinges, crushing 6 peoples throats at a time, ect. All while being stupid evil (tm) alignment. For some reason she does not use this against Rogue Knight and instead fights with lightsaber, which she is not very good at. She eventually loses but Rogue Knight will not kill her. This is where its revealed (if you didn't investigate earlier) that Rogue Knight is Arcann and Vaylins mother. They don't like her either. While all this is going on, you and Lana fight to the docking clamps. You see Tanno Vik again fighting against the Empire with his gang. Lana, Tanno, and the gang stay behind to block the reinforcements to let you get to the clamps. You go on with HK-55.
Wait wait, it's possible to find out that late in the game that Senya is Valk's ex-wife? How is it possible to fuck up enough for her to not spill the beans during the Scion trial?
He wasn't really much of a character in the original. He just gave you funny vignettes about his former masters and occasionally gave a witty remark about your choices.
HK-47 in II was GOAT though.
>people still think TOR is a MMO
TOR is a single player RPG with an optional multiplayer MMO component, literally.
I mean I did literally all the quests on my mains for each faction (JK for Republic and Inquisitor for Empire) and then just did only the class specific quests on other ones (since there's no point in doing all the non-restricted quests twice unless you're really curious about outcomes).
Took me 2 months but I honestly don't feel it was a money spent bad. I enjoyed half of the stories and the other half was passable. Left a 20$ buck hole in my pocket, that's how much I paid for the 60 day prepaid subscribe card.
Friendly advice to anyone wanting to play TOR just to do the story, don't bother with F2P since it has too many restrictions that will piss you off greatly. Just grab yourself one prepaid card and enjoy whichever stories you want to do. Jedi Kinight's story is quite literally KotOR3 basically if made by BioWare. Sith Warrior's is set directly after events of JK's story and serves as a nice counterpart to it. In terms of writing though Imperial Agent has best story. Then next best are Bounty Hunter and Inquisitor. BH is doing what you'd expect from a BH story (straightforward but effective) and Inquisitor (who starts as a slave) is from zero to space indiana jones to machiavellian prince. Then you get into the bad ones which are Trooper, Smuggler and Consular in order from best to worst. Trooper is just horribly boring and the ending to his story is you still being a literal punk in the army so no satisfaction there. Smuggler was written by Hamburger Helper and is full of cliches and is also painfuly boring. His story feels like a romantic fanfic written by a hambeast, and guess what, it is. And then you've got Consular who is the most boring shit I've ever seen. Monotone voice, moralfag attitude and choices, POLITICS POLITICS AND MORE POLITICS BUT THE BORING PAPERWORK KIND. IT'S JUST SO FUCKING BORING HOLY SHIT.
To finish off, since field was too long.
The worst part is that Consular is semi critical to overall story so you should at least force yourself to play that one out of the bad ones.
And that's about it regarding the class stories.
So again to iterate
God Tier: Imperial Agent
Very Good Tier: Jedi Knight, Sith Warrior
Good Tier: Sith Inquisitor, Bounty Hunter
Bad Tier: Trooper
Very Bad Tier: Smuggler
Very Bad and Very Boring Tier: Jedi Consular
Did you even miss the part where I say IF you really want to play TOR? If you're not interested in TOR just don't bother at all obviously you fucking retard.
The F2P model it has is one of the most limited if not THE most limited I've ever seen. It's so horribly butchered that it's virtually unplayable.
You only get 2 hotbars, 8 slots of bank space, can't wear Epic and Set items, can only do 1 dungeon and one battleground per week, can't do raids, halved XP rate, no fast travel, only slow mounts. It's awfully grindy and just makes you want to kill yourself if you play this F2P. I mean sure play it in F2P if you're a masochist but personally I'd rather not play at all if my only options were F2P or nothing.
Don't bother. It's been almost four years and you still can't say anything positive about it here, even when you surround it with criticism, without getting called a shill.
I found BH just as dull as Trooper. I get that you're a bounty hunter so it should be about hunting bounties first and foremost, but it just wasn't compelling.
If I were a shill I'd be telling you it's a goty and telling you to buy a permanent 12 month sub instead of just doing class stories (and all the other quests once per faction on any of the characters) and dropping the fuck out of it.
That's why I said it's a good but straightforward story. It's everything you'd expect from a Bounty Hunter but with nothing that breaks the norm so if you expected some huge plot twist that deconstructs the concept of a BH then basically you're setting yourself up for disappointment.
For me Inquisitor's indiana jones part of the story was what I found dull and not compelling, but outside of it I really liked it. It's also why I rate it as good instead of very good cause the archeological aspect of it is hit or miss.
I wouldn't know anymore, since I stopped MMOs long ago but back when I played during TOR launch, it was boring as fuck. I don't mean that leveling up took a long time, cause the only MMO that I played that was faster was WoW which got casualized to hell and back during Cata.
However, the combat was boring as shit, and was more of a chore to me than anything else. It's sad that given how bland it was I'd even agree with Hamburglar Hepler in that there should be an option to skip combat and just go straight to the talking. One thing that really pissed me off was that due to the MMO element the lightsabre animation choreography was inferior to the ones in KOTOR1/2 because you aren't allowed to lock yourself in turn-based animations which KOTOR did, allowing each round to look fancy instead of hitting a fucker and having him not even react properly to it.
But I digress. Another big problem was I was more interested in discovering the choices, and unlike a single player you can't just make a bunch of save paths and trying to explore all dialog conversations when you don't know which ones are mundane and which ones branch out would not only require an insane amount of f2p accounts, it would require magnitudes greater of grind than most MMOs since those don't have shit repeating just for the talking heads.
I always hit escape towards what I thought was the end of a conversation just to go back and see the other outcome. It's a shitty workaround, but you get to see at least a little more.
But KotOR1 (and 2) is canon by extension of TOR being accepted into Disney canon.
Also Disney's policy is that everything they re-release is canon, KotOR 1 and 2 fall under this due to their iOS re-releases (and K2 on Steam).
Contrary to the memespouting you hear about TOR, it didn't retcon KotOR2, but instead ignores it. As in it just mentions yeah there was a Sith Triumvirate, yeah there was a Jedi Exile that destroyed it and rebuilt the Jedi Order, but that's it. KotOR1 actually falls into the same boat outside of Revan appearing in a major role.
Also another popular lie is that Exile was retconned to be Revan's lover in the tie-in novel set between KotOR1 and TOR. That's flat out not true, Revan actually gets rekt and Exile goes to save him (and succeeds) and gets a message from Bastilla to him how she loves him and with photo of their kid. Revan tears up and laments he can't be with his family but saving the galaxy is more important, then they go together (taking T3 and a rogue Sith Lord with them) but Revan gets rekt again so the Sith Lord in last ditch attempt to save himself from execution for treason kills Exile by stabbing her in the back and pretends he was undercover all along.
I like how everyone in KOTOR 2 but the Exile has major personality disorders. It's like you gathered your followers from a mental clinic.
I disliked how everyone is the most important and significant person in the galaxy in their own way.
>Atton, just a rogue? Nope, a fucking normal dude so skilled he literally reckt Jedi for a living.
>Bao-Dur, just a soldier? Nope, the one techie responsible for the whole destruction of Malachor
>G0T0, just some drone? Nope, the one and only boss of the whole galactic underwordl
>Exact same video posted three times in the same thread.
For good reason, its hilarious. Looking back, I really dug Carth more than Bastila that boring stick in the mud.
Any self-aware AI will inevitably develop a personality and emotions.
Self awareness + basic intelligence by default always result in development of personality and emotions.
You could say that emotions and personality are a side effect of those things.
>ywn have an assassination droid capable of humor and killing literally everything while making fun of your meathead apprentice
Great plot. Truly this can only be from Bioware, one of the greatest story tellers of our generation.
I like how glaring the references to Phantom Menace are.
Subtle is not the word
It's hardly inevitable, unless you count some quirks (failings) as personality. A sufficiently advanced inference engine, given adequate spatial and language perception, would suit pretty well anyone's definition of AI, and certainly wouldn't have emotions, nor would it have the capacity to develop them.
And? Does something being canon or not somehow make it less enjoyable to experience?
Canon is a fucking retarded concept anyway, because it's just people arguing over what shit that never happened didn't happen more than some other shit that never happened.
>Atton, just a rogue? Nope, a fucking normal dude so skilled he literally reckt Jedi for a living.
Dude was repressed sadist who could've gone into serial killer tier had it not been wartime.
has there ever been another character that improved so vastly between sequels?
in 1 he was a boring standard droid
in 2 he was the best party member
Self awareness is a very vague term, so I'm not entirely sure what you're getting at. Any worthwhile intelligent agent could be said to be self-aware, as it needs to know its own characteristics in order to manipulate its environment.
I know some people use "self-aware" to mean that it can understand and explain its decisions, but even we can't do that a lot of the time.
I did that, except there's still choices you gotta make in order to access new choices within the stories you know? I'm autistic like that so TOR was a fucking nightmare once I finished Imperial Agent and realized if I wanted the full story I'd either have to youtube it which doesn't even guarantee every possible branch of dialogue or do it myself over and over. Just for ONE CLASS.
Even worse is unlike a single player you can't just replay a portion of the story that you find enjoyable over and over. You gotta start ALL the way from the beginning. I can't even imagine how painful it must be for someone who gives a shit about waifus but wants to conquer them all.
I also hated the look of 90% of the gear, so I wore the same shit for ages. Then once my subscription ran out I realized even if I f2p my companions will look like jokes cause I don't got enough slots on my preferred account which I doubt I even remember it's name and password, unless I delete them which is too much for me.
Because HK-47 is the first ever robot in star wars that doesn't look like they drew an eyeball on some random piece of shit from a garage sale.
>Kotor 1 + 2
>HK is a well-spoken, very intelligent assassin droid with extensive knowledge on hunting jedi
>Reduced to a boss battle who uses the very techniques he criticized when attacking the PCs
I hate EA.
He reminded is that we're all just meat bags on the inside.
It doesn't matter if you're black, white, gay or straight, you're just a meat bag and you're probably better off being exterminated.
The extensive knowing of hunting Jedi only came up in 2. 1 was just HK going "I killed lots of Jedi, yeah". There were absolutely no details about how he went about it.
So naturally why would you expect Bioware to respect that when they already made Exile into a pathetic loser and making Revan fall for shit he never would have according to KOTOR 2?
This is what happens when you have different people working on the same franchise, just like capeshit.
You didn't hear? They made it so you can level 1 - 60 just doing class and planet missions, even for free players. The Epic Story XP was such a hit, they incorporated it into the main game.
You're right, the Revan stuff is subscriber only, but you only need to subscribe once, and you have access to it forever, even if you unsub. Unlike the new content Knights of the Fallen Empire stuff, once you unsub it's unavailable.
What I meant was, that as far as leveling is concerned, you don't need to do any side quests. You get enough XP form Class and Planet quests to level from 1 - 60 to just keep to those. I mentioned the Free Player thing because this story XP was only available to subscribers in May, but it was so so popular, they decided to just make it part of the core game, so free players don't need to do any side quest content to level either.
Yeah, it's dumb. It was very obvious that in Empire that it wasn't something that was typically done to living organisms. The whole reason they froze Han was to test it and make sure it wouldn't kill Luke.