>Best gay character in gaming
>You can go through the entire game without realizing he is gay
>Exactly how it should be
Do other good homosexuals even exist in gaming?
Yeah man, because we all know what constitutes a good homosexual character is one that is pretty much invisible so your social agenda doesn't get triggered.
I bet you're one of those people who say "I have nothing against gays, BUT..."
I only needed to read one post of yours to know you are a bottom fuckboi
No but him being gay as a character doesn't define him. Just like you don't have characters bragging about how straight they are in games, gay people don't act like that either unless they are totally flaming.
And let me guess, by "flauting" you mean letting it slip even slightly, but when it comes to heterosexuals they might as well be banging on your face and you aren't gonna give a damn, amirite?
>a gay character is a good character if I can't tell he's gay
top lol senpai
A gay character can be blatantly gay as long as his/her sexuality isn't the only or main characteristic
Give me a good/evil/funny/selfish/arrogant/heroic/cowardly gay character, not just a cardboard cutout that occasionally reminds me he likes dicks up the ass
Straight. Have you perhaps missed the presence of Tifa through the entire game?
Now change Tifa to Tifo or whatever and suddenly we get "WAAAA SJW, GAY PANDERING WAAAA H-HE'S FLAUNTING IT ON MY FAAACE MOMMAAAAA" amirite?
I think what that poster is saying that it's totally ok for Nathan Drake to flirt with girls but if he was flirting with guys, everyone would just flip their shit and say this is shoving homosexuality down their throat.
There is no point, that's the point. It's just a little fact about his character without defining his whole personality behind it.
If you have a character that really likes carrots, that's cool. When you have a character who solely exists because of his tendency to really like carrots, and his entire persona is based around that, then that's shitty, pandering writing.
You can't recognize the non-obnoxious ones as gay because they're keeping it to themselves. Or you're a psychic who can read the sexuality of everyone you meet no matter how private they want to keep it?
That's about the crux of it.
Unless their gayness is as complex a character trait as "likes cowboy movies, the color mauve, oh... and dicks."
The problem is people think they know what constitutes a "good" gay character but don't even know fully well what being gay means.
>When you have a character who solely exists because of his tendency to really like carrots, and his entire persona is based around that, then that's shitty, pandering writing.
I'm going to guess being gay affects your life to a much greater level than having a penchant for carrots.
Probably why a character's personality can be so much more naunced by their sexuality rather than their diet.
And since we're speaking about naughty dog, that's EXACTLY what /v/'s done with Ellie from TLOU.
Should I also bring up that fiasco about how the whole board lost its shit due to two guys merely standing close to each other with one of them hovering an arm over the other's shoulders while they looked at the window from bioshock or whatever, or has the point about bigotry been made sufficiently clear already?
No they don't. They did in the initial script but the final made it much more ambiguous. It's also optional. Even if you argue they did fuck, you have to consider that Cloud also fucked like 10 guys in a hot tub.
I thought Caithe from GW2 was well done, no one made a fuss about her being a lesbian
except for the tranny devsand her relationship with evil salad bitch was interesting. I think the real issue with gay characters is when they draw too much attention to the "I'm gay!" part when everyone is already fucking sick of those people in real life.
>there are people who didn't see this guy and think haha what a fag
>there are people who didn't have their whole world view crystalised and confirmed as they saw the confirmed bachelor option, instantly achieving nirvana
Just keep trying friends, you'll find enlightenment someday
>every gay I've heard about and narrowed down to a cliche because that's convenient for my bias since I don't actually socialize with anyone is as obnoxious as possible about letting everyone know
>gays are all flamboyant!
And this is why some even manage to marry and build entire families without anyone raising a brow. Gotta love having people like you talking about shit you know absolutely nothing about.
Doesn't he say something along the lines of wanting a man to sweep him off of his feet in the dialogue leading up to his recruitment?
And I'm not talking about the dialogue that only unlocks if you're gay as well.
Their story was a nice touch.
There's also Phillipa and Dethmold from witcher.
I don't like how witcherfags try to bash homosexuality in the game by saying it's medieval and shit when it's clearly biased against male homosexuality only, since we even have Ciri just casually going around saying "I prefer women LOLZ" without batting an eye.
I think it's kind of ambiguous. Seems like if Manny's gay he might not know it. Nothing really comes out of him and Boone. But you can use your homokiin powers on him so it basically confirms it.
Wasn't talking about him.
>Dante wanted to fill Trishs dark soul with light
Trish was an identical clone of Dante's mom. He never wanted to fuck her, if that's what you're implying.
Okay, I'll fire some live ammo.
The point is this: None of these characters ever say they're straight. Nothing gives any evidence that they are straight or gay.
This is because their sexuality has nothing to do with their character. Being straight or gay or bi doesn't matter. The characters have far more prominent traits that matter more than sexual orientation, which is never brought up. And that's part of what makes them good characters. Their sexual orientation is never brought up because it doesn't matter. Sex and/or romance aren't part of the games, so the character's sexual orientation has absolutely no relevance, and doesn't need to be mentioned.
Does Altair ever whisper "Your sins are what led to your downfall, oh and by the way, I prefer the company of men/women."? No, because it's completely irrelevant. Much like a real human being, he's not going to put personal traits on display if he has no reason to and no one wants to know.
That's why arcade gannon is a "good" gay character: He's not a "gay character". He's a "scientist character". The only reason he tells you that he's gay is because you kept digging through dialogue trees trying to learn everything about him. If you ask him if he's gay he'll tell you, otherwise he has no reason to bring it up.
And there never is a reason to bring it up, unless it's a dating/sex game. In that case, sexual orientation is extremely relevant, and it would be expected that every character make it well known. Otherwise, it would be like bringing up how much you love jellybeans every time someone asks what time it is, or how it's going, or in the middle of a warzone, or while doing anything other than something that may involve jellybeans.
Best gay character, to be honest, familia.
Before you typed this gigantic post, did you take a single second to consider it's entirely unrelated to the issue at hand, which is the fact that OP is implying that in order for a gay character to be good this part of him must be completely hidden, which will render the fact he's gay completely meaningless in the first place and actually constitute bad writing since it doesn't serve any purpose whatsoever other than just being there?
And have you taken a moment to consider that even it this weren't the case, that the fact the character is gay is made obvious, there would also be no problem whatsoever with it, provided you have the maturity to deal with such trivial matters of everyday life, since that's exactly how it works for straights, specially in this day and age where the vast majority of stories narrow down to some alpha male beating obstacles separating him from the worshipped vagina?
>look guyze, I'm le bashing le gays, can I fit in now?
Sorry, the straight kids won't ever love you and you'll never be one of them. Just accept you're just like every other cocksucking faggot out there and have an easier time on yourself, sissy. Also try to make the samefagging seem less obvious.
>I'm going to guess being gay affects your life to a much greater level than having a penchant for carrots.
Not really, these days it's pretty much as simple as swapping Tinder for Grindr.
The only way it significantly impacts your life is if other people give you shit for it, and I fail to see why one's identity should be based on other people's idiocy.
Eat too many carrots and it'll turn your fucking skin yellow, try living like that and see how it affects your life.
to be honest, ugly dykes are the most repulsive beings on the planet. My home town has like 1 per sq/m.
"This is appropriate everyday attire, now excuse me while I spend all day avoiding female pronouns and have nasty PDA with this bitch I break up with every month or so"
>zomg why wont these gays just stay inside and stop being weird where i can see them so i dont have to think about them
The fucking irony. Why do you think they started the pride parades? Go on, have a think.
I vaguely remember in Assassin's Creed Rogue, there was a letter in a bottle about a man and his lover who got stranded on a desert island which doesn't make it so obvious. If you go to the island you find two dead bodies. Both men.
Not really main characters but I thought it was done well.
That could be your parents, or some asshole with violent tendencies.
Yeah, but being a vegetarian is pretty bad if you're constantly announcing it. No one's gonna make you homeless or beat you up for being a vegetarian though. Damn... should of went with Tinder instead.
>entirely unrelated to the issue at hand
Clearly my "gigantic" post was too long for you to read. Which is odd, considering how familiar you should be with gigantic posts.
>in order for a gay character to be good this part of him must be completely hidden, which will render the fact he's gay completely meaningless in the first place
YES! That's the point. Being gay isn't about being a spectacle. It's not about being special or different or otherwise not normal. Being gay is just like being straight. IT DOESN'T MATTER.
>bad writing since it doesn't serve any purpose whatsoever other than just being there?
That's the purpose it serves. It says volumes in what it doesn't say. It's making the salient point that being gay doesn't make you who you are. Gay people are just people. There's so much more to them than just their sexual orientation. That's the point the game makes, and that's why Arcade Gannon is a good gay character. He's more than just gay. He's a person first. It's not about hiding his homosexuality, since he's upfront enough about it once you ask him. It's about putting his other traits first, since being gay isn't what he's all about.
Honestly, it just sounds like you have some kind of agenda here, like you're trying to "root out" some kind of latent homophobia that is permeating everything, like you're some kind of progressive hero because you're cool with gay people. Well guess what? No one gives a shit, because like you said, everyone's cool with gay people now. Gay people aren't special, and neither are you.
No you just need to start taking hormone replacements and go be with all the fucking women
Being a caricature is disgusting and it's why you are here whining about who is getting fucked in the ass virtually instead of actually getting fucked in the ass irl you mangina
It's not though. Being mid-20s and gay it's like we've barely managed to stop being treated as 2nd class citizen, but there are a ton of assholes still out to get you for no real fucking reason. I just wanna play my vidya with my bf, Geesh.
>And there never is a reason to bring it up, unless it's a dating/sex game
This is completely wrong. Humans are heavily sexualized animals and sex does play a large role in a human's life. It's an always present part of our life and influences a lot of our actions, from random thoughts to the people you most often hang with to the one you choose to spend your life together with. So no, your assumption has no basis whatsoever because the mere presence of a character's SO in any story from a non-dating/sex game, which IS a manifestation of his sexuality that is also even tangible, would shatter it meaningless.
Besides, homosexuality is a rich field for personal character development with all the prejudice going around it in pretty much all the eras. We even have an example here in this very thread, which is >>315372948. Now go ahead and tell me the fact he's gay wasn't the very foundation to this character's personal drama.
A lot of your examples are devoid of personality altogether.
And that's usually because their personalities aren't being used to drive a story.
You could have just as well said, "Oh yea, well, what sexual orientation is the L-shaped tetris piece?"
>This is because their sexuality has nothing to do with their character.
Sure, it has nothing to do with THOSE characters, because they weren't written that way.
The whole point is that in making a believable world wherein a diverse range of sexuality exists, it would possibly create friction and thus be important to that character or story.
Just the same as race, skin color, etc.
>The only way it significantly impacts your life is if other people give you shit for it
These two things seem to be in conflict.
Because people DO give people shit for being gay.
Maybe not in your particular area, and that's great, but there's still some shitty parts of the US where being gay is rough.
Also, there's still parts of the world where people are killed for being gay.
Uganda and Russia come to mind.
>Maybe not in your particular area, and that's great, but there's still some shitty parts of the US where being gay is rough.
And that's an issue with that area. Not an issue inherent to being gay.
Yes, he's more than gay, but before rushing past through this point like you're always doing, let's stop at the fact that he *is* also gay. It's not just some point of his personality that we trumple over and jump straight to the next trait. The one who seems to trying to hamfist an agenda here is you since you're clearly preoccupied with smothering the possibilities that this trait might ensue.
Also I like how you've suddenly jumped into associating gayness with playing the special snowflake when nobody whatsoever has even hinted at this connection, which ironically does tell a lot about what you actually think about it. Gratz on shooting your own feet.
>Hi! I have to rub my pisser on LITERALLY EVERYTHING
>What are we doin here? Fixing cars? WELL DO YOU THINK I COULD DO IT GAY?
>What now? Makin brownies? THINK A GAY COULD DO IT?!?!
>lol i'm so brave.
It's been 5+ years since I've played it, but I could have swore there was a scene where he says he isn't actually gay. I can't find anything online saying he isn't gay though. Damn maybe I'm retarded
Oh I get it, you're one of those closet virgin tryhards who are still trying to compensate for the fact he's gay by creating"chastes" in the gay community where you conveniently appear as the top. Probably the biggest cliche there is.
"Nah, I'm not like them, I am better, see, I do this and that, now let me pat myself on the back"
Guess what, sissy, you're just another cocksucker like all the other cocksuckers out there. When it comes to cock, you're down on all fours like any of the other "caricatures" or whatever made-up image you have mind. The sooner you deal with it, the better, faggot.
>straight guy commenting about how hard it is to be gay
Oh yes, tell us more.
>Being gay is just like being straight. IT DOESN'T MATTER.
I mean, I wish that were the case but it's not. More than half of the world think gays are demonic, mentally ill, pedophiles, and should be jailed or executed. Even in America, despite gay marriage passing, gays still get discriminated in certain states and can get fired or evicted easily for being gay.
To me, being gay is just whatever. And it should be no big deal, but society is what makes a big deal out of it by persecuting homos.
>Arcade Gannon is a good gay character. He's more than just gay. He's a person first.
You're sort of implying that a good gay shouldn't be about their homosexuality, ie. their relationships or promiscuity. Lot of straight characters have huge emphasis on their sexuality, ie. girlfriends, fetish, sex, in addition to their multi-faceted personality.
I like Arcade, but I wouldn't mind if he talked about his homosexuality more. I like talking to characters and hearing stories about their girlfriend, boyfriend, marriages, sex, etc.
>And that's an issue with that area. Not an issue inherent to being gay.
Let me see if I have what you're saying correctly.
You're saying, "But not in my particular bubble. There's no problem with being gay here. So therefore there isn't a problem."
Is that right?
Your sexuality affects your ENTIRE life. Sex and love is a huge part of life. Its not something you can just ignore or avoid talking about. Even here on /v/, land of the virgins, most threads and posts are about how someone wants to fuck X character.
Master Chief is more a machine than man, and has severely reduced sex drive as a side effect of the augmentations done on him and hasn't had a girlfriend or sex in his entire life, asexual
Mario clearly has a relationship with Peach, which is fucking obvious to any 8 year old, straight
At some point through AC2 there is literally a scene where you witness Altair fuck a woman. For that matter all Assassins you play as must have been straight or at least bi, because if they never had children, the entire concept of genetic memories of your ancestors doesn't make sense
Amaterasu is a dog, they'll fuck anything if they feel like it
Do you have female friends?
Do you wear effeminate colors?
You are everything I DON'T look for in a guy, and most people in general feel that way.
Men shouldn't act like females with penises, and that is what you are championing whether you think you are or aren't.
It's taken years for people to finally stop giving a shit who I'm attracted to, the last enemies we have are faggots like you who want to drag us into the past and make me cringe at every shitty attempt at women trying to make a gay character.
Man, I loved that nigga as a character.
Nobody gives a fuck about what you think and what you tell yourself to deal with your repressed feelings, so go shit up your made up rules over someone else. Not a hard concept, isn't it?
No, I'm just someone has hasn't forgotten he's a fucking man who likes other MEN, not these feminized little boys.
You are asking for outlandish caricatures of men be made by women developers to fulfill your own sick desire of familiarity.
Real men have been in games for awhile, how about you fucking appreciate them.
I'm saying it's not a problem inherent to being gay. I don't see what's hard to understand about that.
Forced marriage is a huge issue in certain areas, doesn't mean it's something that inherently affects all womens' daily lives.
Well I'm still here, let's get into it.
I know the point you're making: Arcade Gannon is a shitty gay character, or just not a gay character, because his gayness has literally zero impact/importance. They may as well have not made him mention anything at all, since it seems like they just decided to throw that in there at the last minute, and it could have been thrown into any character's dialogue with the same effect.
So what then? Do gay characters have to use their gayness to qualify? Is sexuality measured in actions instead of intentions? Why can't a character just happen to be gay without it being a defining characteristic?
>Lot of straight characters have huge emphasis on their sexuality, ie. girlfriends, fetish, sex, in addition to their multi-faceted personality.
Yes, and characters whose primary characterization is
>Yeah, I fuck women! Is that a woman? I want to fuck her vagina! Those boobs are arousing to me!
are also bad characters.
We shouldn't be making sexually-charged characters the standard. We should be making sexuality a character trait that only arises when it's relevant, either in conversation, or in action.
The only reason we aren't is because modern games are made for reviewers, who don't have time to uncover all the nuances of every character in a game. They need to have a character's homosexuality shoved in their face so that they can praise the devs for being progressive, winning said devs publicity and public relations brownie points.
And who's to say I don't? You're the one who barged in attentionwhoring with unrelated asinine garbage and posting about how you're such a special snowflake because you hate le gays. Fuck off.
Straight bros still go "What u r gay???" like it's some sort of revelation that a fat muscly hairy giant want to fuck fat muscly hairy giants.
Then they'll say shit like "as long as you don't flirt with me silly gay boys", and get insecure and hurt still when you tell them that you're actually into fat hairy giants.
Tru story for this weekend. Let effeminate guys just be who they are, who gives a shit. Assholes will look for every excuse to he an asshole anyway.
Subtle gay characters are good, it's when they push it into your face it becomes irritating.
>What's there to refute? You're saying humans are rape machines who can't move past base instincts of Eat, Fuck, Sleep.
What, is that wrong?
You've probably eaten in the past day hopefully
you've alive meaning you parents at least got some if you haven't already
and you probably sleep unless you're some sort of spooky skeleton or something.
I mean sure humans do more than that but we certainly haven't moved past them.
Also rape is a pretty common form of reproduction, even if it has died down as of late.
Yangus says his ideal life is living with you in a small house with you by the fireplace.
He's probably not actually gay, but still.
>You are the one looking for female traits inside of men
Point me ANYWHERE where I said this. Go on, do it. You've just completely blown your own head off with this and proved that you are indeed nothing more than a self-hating faggot because I have only been talking about homosexuality here, yet you instantly made the connection to "female traits inside of men", which really does tell a lot about how you view things.
You're done through and through, sissy. Bet you even have a nasal voice.
>I know the point you're making: Arcade Gannon is a shitty gay character, or just not a gay character, because his gayness has literally zero impact/importance
No it's not. I'm sorry but you're seriously retarded. I even carefully typed out what is it with OP's post that bothers me and yet just look at this garbage you've typed.
I never said he's a shitty character due to this. In fact, I never even said he's a shitty character altogether (protip: he's not). What I said is that OP is being a hypocrite when he considers him a good gay character solely because this part of him is completely hidden away.
I'm done discussing this with you because you can't even follow basic lines of thought.
>character's homosexuality shoved in their face
I'm sure some games do make homosexuality a tokenism (Bioware games especially) but I think what you're saying any display of same sex relationship is essentially shoving homosexuality in people's face. Like how many people on /v/ got buttflustered over Ellie being lesbian and kissing a girl, whereas I doubt the same would have happened if she kissed a boy.
>>Yeah, I fuck women! Is that a woman? I want to fuck her vagina! Those boobs are arousing to me!
I like some characters like this, like Johnny Bravo. It can be executed badly or well, doesn't mean it's a bad trope.
Sheltered in the sense that I don't live in a homophobic shithole (which is something we as a society should strive for, not mock), would have to travel great distances to find one, and have grown up with such an innate a sense of "wtf do you even mean 'its okay to be gay'? That isn't even something that needs to be said" that being targeted with such homophobia simply has zero emotional power over me? Sure.
Self-hating? Lolno, what reason would I possibly have to be self-hating? (Other than all the reasons straight people are also self hating, because hey I'm still on 4chan)
Look at yourself, you are behaving like a fucking woman, is this the way you want people to know you as? Some whiny cunt?
Do I think that there should be more gay characters in video games, sure, but you know what I really want?
Less shitty developers making shitty characters in general.
I'm tired of rainbow haired women putting perverted versions of gay men in video games for their own pleasure, it's no different than what the US cartoons did during WW2 or before black civil rights.
Don't blindly ask for some gay character without also asking for all the shitty developers to stop making shitty characters in general.
>Yes, and characters whose primary characterization is
>Yeah, I fuck women! Is that a woman? I want to fuck her vagina! Those boobs are arousing to me!
>are also bad characters.
I like how you jump to the opposite extreme while conveniently ignoring the middle point, which is what everyone here is focusing at, in order to make a point.
Maybe so but i'm not going to pull out my cock and shove a float needle up it when i'm fixing my carburetor.
You're just biased because in a scramble to be accepted you claw at every single bit of "representation" you can get from phony fictional characters.
>I'm saying it's not a problem inherent to being gay.
Using the word inherent doesn't make any sense to me the way you're using it.
It'd probably be better if you clarified in another way.
>Forced marriage is a huge issue in certain areas, doesn't mean it's something that inherently affects all womens' daily lives.
So if someone wrote about a vidya character, a woman, who lived in a rural part India and was talking about her husband would you prefer she not mention her arranged marriage?
Maybe after really having to pry it out of them, and then they never mention it again.
How defensive you are acting means you are;
>omg I am feeling so like attacked right now
That's the sign of a woman, you are digging a hole for yourself and there's nothing in this thread that will ever make you feel better about yourself, just let it fucking go
I've a nice voice by the way, I do radio broadcasts on the weekends.
That reminds me, I found a pic of a 3D guy who looks just like this pic of Yangus.
Minus, you know, the head hair.
>this part of him must be completely hidden
>this part of him is completely hidden away
You keep saying this, like you know what you're talking about.
And it's wrong. Like, false. Not true. Incorrect.
It's not hidden at all. It's very easy to find. All you have to do is talk to him about it, and he says it. Why would he say it if you didn't ask or try to hit on him or something? Should he carry a sign? Maybe wear an arm band with a logo of homosexuality to demonstrate his orientation? Maybe he should start with "Hi, I'm Arcade Gannon, known homosexual. I am attracted/unattracted to you because you are/aren't a man."
So you can't point out where I said it? No quote or anything? Nothing at all other than you on your paragraph long parades of whining and aimless bitching while ironically calling others a woman?
As I said. You're done for through and through and you've just made it even more obvious.
Keep compensating though.
If you're gay, I hope you get AIDS and die and lucky for me, the odds of that happening are pretty good since faggot men make up more than half of all new HIV infections
Enjoy your degeneracy while it lasts faggots
In fact I'm pretty sure there are also dialogue options about completely innocuous things that will cause him to mention it naturally in passing on his own. It's not hidden at all.
What are you trying to get out of this?
I'm being real with you, stop thinking about video games for a moment.
What character in a real life tv show or movie do you think should be used as an example of what video games should strive for?
You have to go upon layers and layers of dialogue for him to give some vague hint about it, which is why most people don't even notice it.
Now as for the main issue itself, I'm sorry again but you indeed legitimately demented, holy christ.
Here, let me take your hand and guide you right back to what OP said:
>Best gay character in gaming
>You can go through the entire game without realizing he is gay
>Exactly how it should be
OP is saying he's the best gay character in gaming because you can barely notice he's gay and that this is exactly how it should be. See? It's very simple isn't it?That's all there is to it.
This answers your question OP
The best way to do a gay character is by making it a joke. Super cereal homosex relationships in Bioware games isn't fun - but working for the gay boss in GTA is.
Yeah, you're retarded.
You hate the people that represent you, or at least feel represent you. Same could be said for black people with niggers. They got Civil Rights like 50 years ago, and they still have discrimination issues. What makes you think us gays have it all fine and dandy now?
>What are you trying to get out of this?
I'm trying to get you to hold on to your word and show me exactly where I said anything about wanting feminine traits in men, on which you base your entire bitchy posts about, while you try to dance around the subject and sidestep to dodge the bullet because I have never said such thing.
But please do keep up with the damage control.
>You have to go upon layers and layers of dialogue for him to give some vague hint about it, which is why most people don't even notice it.
I don't think I've ever seen anyone talk about Arcade without his gayness being brought up. Who is missing it exactly?
And going through layers of dialogue is pretty much the entire game. Yes, if you don't interact with a character at all, you probably won't find out that they're gay, or their political views, or their backstory, or their desires. Shocker.
Different anon, I just can't believe anyone would call Arcade's sexuality 'hidden'. It's not hidden at all. It's treated completely naturally. That's why it's well done.
And for comparison, this same universe contains an NCR ranger who's homosexuality IS hidden, because it's not acceptable in his line of work, and this can only be discovered if you use Confirmed Bachelor to flirt with him
>he's the best gay character in gaming because you can barely notice he's gay and that this is exactly how it should be
Exactly. I don't see how anyone could think this is wrong, unless they were disappointed that the gay character wasn't a flamer. He has no reason to mention he's gay until the player asks him. He's just a cool scientist guy who happens to be gay, not a gay guy who happens to be a scientist.
This isn't damage control, I'm asking you what are you fucking looking for, what character do you think should be made?
All you've been doing is bitching, you've made almost a 30 posts in this fucking thread, you are embarrassing yourself but in spite of that I still want to understand what the fuck you are trying to look for in your OP you outrageous faggot.
WHAT CHARACTER ARE YOU LOOKING FOR THAT NEEDS TO BE MADE
>You hate the people that represent you
No I don't? Only I represent me. I don't give a fuck how someone else expresses themselves, sexually or otherwise, it doesn't have an impact on me, because once again I don't live in a homophobic shithole where other people's actions are used against me just because of an arbitrary trait we have in common.
>Big fat no to the second part of your post, I don't even know where you're pulling that from.
I'll explain it to you.
The whole point of contention from most people here seems to be "a well written gay character is one that either doesn't mention it, or barely mentions it à la Arcade Gannon."
You brought up Forced Marriage.
I analogize forced marriage with being gay to show how these are both real world events that affect people, and stories and characters that reflect real world situations would obviously bring them up.
If you're the same person from the start of this conversation then you said
>Not really, these days it's pretty much as simple as swapping Tinder for Grindr.
>I fail to see why one's identity should be based on other people's idiocy.
Meaning to me that you don't seem to get that being gay affects your life in much more a profound way just because YOU don't see it happening.
I have never used this image as sincerely as I am now.
>1% of army/marine soldiers are gay
>in your gaming career you have fought alongside countless gay comrades all over the world against a variety of enemies
>you never knew
>you treated them as your ally without caring about their sexuality
>yfw COD does gays in gaming correctly
I have nothing against gays, BUT I don't want them to tell me they are gay either, I don''t give a fuck. Homosexuality isn't their only defining trait or the central point of their character, if someone's defining trait is homosexuality might as well commit suicide.
>Meaning to me that you don't seem to get that being gay affects your life in much more a profound way just because YOU don't see it happening.
It doesn't affect everybody's lives, and it doesn't affect everyone in the same way.
Like women and forced marriage. Women who are affected by it are affected by it, women who aren't affected by it aren't affected by it.
What is so difficult for you to understand?
Are you a male? Boy, must be hard being a victim of prison rape.
Are you female? Tell me how motherhood has changed your life.
Are you Catholic? I hope you got over being molested.
These are all things that affect the people belonging to these groups. Doesn't mean they affect literally everyone who falls in that group.
Discrimination, loneliness, AIDS, coming out, religion, etc are things that will affect many gays. That doesn't mean anyone who's gay will automatically deal with any of them, or that any gay character has to automatically represent any of them. And to imply such a thing is only boxing gay people in with those issues as if they're inseparable.
Once straight people get the fuck over themselves, there's no reason being gay has to have literally any impact on life other than dating pool shrinkage and more lube money.
>What made him a good gay character
-Player "Hey, you gay?"
-Arcade "fuck off, we need to stop caesar."
>His sexuality never mattered and wasn't forced in your face.
>I have nothing against gays
>I don''t give a fuck
>BUT I don't want them to tell me they are gay either
>if someone's defining trait is homosexuality might as well commit suicide
Not him, I'm the other guy you raged at and called a self-hating faggot.
You are the cancer on the LGBT movement and a shining example as to why it took so long for gay marriage to become common place in the first world.
You have done nothing in this thread to either provide answers to what characters you would like to see represented in video games, or be able to have a conversation like an adult.
You are everything people hate about not just gay people, but of people in general, and I would apologize to all of these people in this thread for your actions if only I felt we were in same group, but you've shone you are just a living angry little caricature.
I don't want to have their homosexuality shoved in my face. I don't care that they're gay because I won't treate them different, but I also don't want them to flaunt it or tell me about it unless I ask, just like I don't like sluts getting on my face about how slutty they are.
Most gays I've known based their entire persona around the fact that they were gay, they were shallow and uninteresting people who's only and main defining trait was the fact that they were homosexual, the special snowflake syndrome.
Other's sexuality is none of my business, and I don't want to know nor care about who you fuck in your bed. Just for the same reason I don't want a furry telling me "yeah man I'm so fur, I love fucking my dogs man, so good", I also don't want a homosexual telling me about his preferences, nor a slut about her preferences.
>just like I don't like sluts getting on my face about how slutty they are.
How about if it's just like a guy or girl and there's proof that they are heterosexual? Is that also shoving their sexuality in your face?
>Most gays I've known based their entire persona around the fact that they were gay, they were shallow and uninteresting people who's only and main defining trait was the fact that they were homosexual, the special snowflake syndrome.
I know this exists but I don't think it's as prevalent as you think. Maybe you only notice these types of gay people because the other types of gay people, ie. regular people who just happen to like the same sex, don't express their homosexuality overtly with rainbow flags and glitter and makeup. I'm sure the regular gays outnumber the flamboyant ones, they're just not as visible.
>I don't want to have their homosexuality shoved in my face.
What does this mean though? A guy kissing his boyfriend or a girl holding hands with her girlfriend in public? Is that shoving it in your face?
exactly. Who gives a fuck.
>Look at me, I'm gay, ain't I special? Did you know I'm gay? Yup, gayest as can be here don't you target me you silly little heteros you're just jealous of how gay I am
Jesus, SHUT UP and learn to be a decent human being instead of letting your labels define you
newsflash: people don't hate you cause you're gay/fat/a girl/a feminist/a robot in disguise, people hate you cause you're a miserable person who can't go two seconds without shouting to the world that they should accept your fucking horrible personality
But heterosexuality is normalcy, and it is assumed by default everyone is heterosexual. Even if they happen not to be, it makes no difference, or at least should not make a difference in how the people are treated.
What you're trying to do now is say "hurr it's okay when heteros do it", but actually, it is. Because being heterosexual is the norm, and it is expected, but not forced on people.
There are some people who don't like romance at all, shoving sexuality is a lot like that, I'd say there are varying demographics that need to be catered to and some need not be present if there is no audience for it.
Oh, so I'm a caricature for wanting gays to be represented at all in vidya?
Let me see the posts where I explicitly say that. Oh right, just because I'm fine with femmes not being portrayed as villains I must be a flamer.
I don't want them to flaunt about how gay they are. They can kiss whoever they want, that is an expression of affection and love and it is fine for both heterosexual and homosexual people to do.
I do not like it when heterosexuals do it either though, I think it's not my concern so I just ignore it.
And here's a little spoiler for you:
I am gay
So even if it's expressed and executed in the exact same manner, even if it's as subtle as some heterosexual romances or even allusions, it's still counting as obnoxious and annoying to you?
I know some crazy tumblrites go crazy when they see an ad for a romcom movie and it shows a guy and a girl together and call it "HETSHIT", you know
>Are you a male? Boy, must be hard being a victim of prison rape.
Are you a male, in prison, in a mature game?
Then prison rape could possibly come up as a topic.
And you're not a WELL WRITTEN character because you either never bring it up, or it doesn't define your character.
You're a well written character because if prison rape affected you, you could possibly talk about it because it sure as hell would affect someone.
But you know... Prison rape doesn't affect everyone so let's not ever bring it up.
>Are you female? Tell me how motherhood has changed your life.
Same for this. Does the woman in the game get pregnant?
Well obviously it shouldn't define her character because only some women get pregnant and I don't want to hear about that.
I'm not arguing for quotas on how a character SHOULD be represented.
I'm saying the statement that a well written gay character is one who hides their sexuality because "it doesn't matter" when it clearly does, is an extremely narrow-sighted view.
You're going to need a lot if you want to pass off this most bullshit.
>So even if it's expressed and executed in the exact same manner, even if it's as subtle as some heterosexual romances or even allusions, it's still counting as obnoxious and annoying to you?
Only you have said that, nobody here has said that.
Stop putting words in other people's mouths for the sake of your argument.
/v/ still gets triggered just by implied gayness, like that gay couple in the background that do nothing but look out on a balcony. It's okay for straight couples to be present in gaming when it has no impact, but it's wrong for gays.
This, since it's 2% of the population, it should be expressed in 2% level of visibility in a piece of media, or at 2% frequency.
Like the vast majority of most normal people, they don't enjoy seeing any romantic things or hearing about relationships, or hearing that a guy is interested in girls, or that a girl likes a guy, or showing a married couple or some guy talking about his wife or whatever, and so on. That kind of shit has no place in games.
There ideally should be no romance or allusions to sexual orientation at all in media, especially videogames, where it should be about the GAMEPLAY. But if there is going to be that sort of stuff, then it SHOULD be heterosexuality, and only if it's very relevant to the plot.
You've called every other gay man in this thread a self-hating faggot, yet you think you are the one whose shit doesn't stink?
You know who my favorite characters are?
John Marston and Dom Santiago.
Are they gay? No. Do I care? No.
Do I find them attractive as fuck? Yes.
In more ways than one, those are two good examples of characters that speak to me, they didn't have to be gay for me to like them, I fapped to them irregardless.
And that's all that matters, a character doesn't have to be gay, or straight, or trans or any of that shit, they just have to be able to give you a boner.
>Are you a male, in prison, in a mature game?
>Then prison rape could possibly come up as a topic.
And that's fine.
That doesn't mean it's applicable to any male character anywhere. Just like a certain gay issue isn't applicable to any gay anywhere.
In some country, gay people are fucking executed. That doesn't mean it's applicable to the story of a gay dude from Frisco.
>I'm saying the statement that a well written gay character is one who hides their sexuality because "it doesn't matter" when it clearly does, is an extremely narrow-sighted view.
That's nothing I was stating, and not what most people ITT are stating. Arcade's sexuality isn't remotely hidden, it simply is, and it's not a big deal. Which is exactly what life is like for many gays, and exactly what we should be striving for as the real life norm, since nobody wants a life of bullshit because of one random aspect of themselves. That doesn't mean the bullshit can't be represented, just that it's not all there is.
/v/ gets triggered because they were probably put there to pander to the faggots that complain about a tiny minority being under represented in the medium.
Given how EA likes to deflect all legitimate criticism of its games as homophobia this is a rather understandable reaction.
Most video game consumers are straight white males. Putting in faggot couples literally for the sake of putting in faggot couples serves no purpose. It;s like how most games have that one minority these days as well, it's fucking pointless but developers do it anyway because faggots and liberals whine non stop otherwise
/v/ only reacts against gays in games since they're obviously always put in there to pander. That's a fair reason to be against this shit in games.
if it was up to me, there wouldn't be any romance or sexuality in games at all.
>I'm saying the statement that a well written gay character is one who hides their sexuality because "it doesn't matter" when it clearly does, is an extremely narrow-sighted view.
>it clearly does
says who? you? I have a gay friend, only knew he was gay recently and noone ever made a huge deal about it. He's still one of the funniest motherfuckers I know and I still think he has an amazing musical taste. Imagine that as soon as I knew he was gay I started pestering him with "oh my god you poor soul being gay and hiding it from everyone must have been so hard, tell me about being gay, do you suffer a lot?" who cares if he's gay. Why must it be such a huge part of the person? I like pussy, he likes dick, so what? We're still the same people we were before. He's happy, I'm happy, it's fine.
Why should we label people by their sexual preferences?
>Hello, I'm Rick and I'm a fireman
>Hello, I'm Suzie and I'm a pastry chef
>Hello, I'm Randall and I'm gay.
>And that's all that matters, a character doesn't have to be gay, or straight, or trans or any of that shit, they just have to be able to give you a boner.
best part of this shity thread
>Imagine that as soon as I knew he was gay I started pestering him with "oh my god you poor soul being gay and hiding it from everyone must have been so hard, tell me about being gay, do you suffer a lot?"
Good lord. A friend of mine did exactly this to me after I "came out" (ie it came up in conversation and I though he already knew). Thank you for not being that guy (but also fuck you for reminding me).
There is a problem with gay characters in videogames. Also in television and film, not not quite as bad.
People will often claim to have absolutely no problem whatsoever with gay people. They say this to make sure that they cannot be called a homophobe or be criticised in any way when they make their next point.
Then they basically say they don't want gay characters in their games.
Then the excuses come out.
>it's not important
So why does it bother you?
>I don't care about any of the relationships in my games, I just want games!
A little autistic, but okay. I can agree with that, games should be games. However, if a story-driven game like an RPG has a gay character in it, why does that irk you?
>it's just pandering to the LGBT crowd
This isn't fair. You can always just call it pandering and keep gay characters out of fiction forever that way. You can't tell me you don't have a problem with homosexuals if you want to pretend they don't exist.
>I'm okay with gay characters as long as it never gets mentioned
Well then you're not REALLY okay with gay characters, are you?
>the gay characters are always written really badly!
That's the secret, Anon.
All videogame characters are written badly.
If your cocky male teammate jokes about having slept with 5 women the night before, you wouldn't think twice. If your cocky male teammate jokes about having slept with 5 men the night before, you're irked by that. Why?
You have a penchant for saying absolutely nothing with a lot of words. Self-hating faggots are the same as self-hating niggers/chinks/schekels, they hate the idea that there is something to be proud of in their culture. You being irritated by gays getting noticed in vidya is hardly different.
>Never used Arcade as a companion
>Fire up NV after a year or so
>Figure I should try a different build with different companions
>Chew up the wasteland
>Dat 'Am I playing Virgil to your Dante' conversation
>All of that idealism and hope
>Truly we are The Last of Us HD remastered featuring Lightning from Final Fantasy 13-2 Lightnings Revenge Collectors Edition
>you're irked by that. Why?
Because gays are not normal. Doesn't mean I'm homophobic, I just don't want them in my games where I can ever notice them.
Same goes for any kind of sexuality. I'm against any allusions to romantic interest or preferences, homo or not. I'm sure most of the people in this thread would agree.
But as usual it has the same answer as always.
Homosexuality is not normalcy, a man sleeping with five men the night before is not normal, so it's okay for it to irk someone normal.
What I actually hate is false perception of what I am, specifically because the majority of these characters, like in Dragon Age, are written by women, and aren't even for men, but for other women to fantasize about.
Female delusion is what I do not want representing me, and that should be the same for you.
This, it's natural to be disgusted by things like gays. Which is why I'm pretty suspicious of >>315379079 to be so fine with his friend being so abnormal.
I never said they shouldn't be allowed to, it's just that every character they make is shallow and unrepresentative of me
The same goes for any writer or developer who makes something up that is completely foreign to them, Friday wouldn't be nearly as funny if it was written by Judd Apatow.
>Catholics are disgusted by sex and masturbation
>Muslims are disgusted by pork and women having agency
>Asians are disgusted by big butts but are ok with big boobs
Gee, it's as if what is considered normal is mostly dependent on the culture of each society.
Not him, in my country the chief Faculty of Science recently made a comprehensive study of human sexual practices with over 15 thousand subjects. Although only 7% of men and 12% of women described themselves as gay, 12% of allegedly straight men and 22% of straight women said they had homosexual sexual experiences. The team concluded that "the older estimates concerning the prevalence of homosexuals and bisexuals in the human population, which mostly come from the more prudish pre-Internet era, seem to significantly underestimate the real numbers".
The study also made feminists pretty mad because it debunked the commonly touted "1 in 5 women get raped" statistic. Apparently, it's only 8,7 % of women and 6,4 % of men.
>The same goes for any writer or developer who makes something up that is completely foreign to them
I'm pretty sure nobody writing scripts for games has experienced anything that usually happens in vidya
you're just mad at bad writing in general, and almost every game character has bad writing
>I'm against any allusions to romantic interest or preferences, homo or not. I'm sure most of the people in this thread would agree.
>the board that's filled with waifu threads and sexy female character threads daily
>play that gay VN game that recently came out
>you can go after that closeted college football jock
>go for it
>after his big brother catches you kissing him suddenly all the other football jocks are fine with it
lmao meanwhile in real life there's only ever been one US gay player and he quit and in the UK the only premier league football player to come out of the closet killed himself
Then I looked to see who wrote that shit and it was, as usual, a woman
I actually feel this thread
it's refreshing to see characters given depth, instead of token attributes
fallout always had a fairly nonchalant take on sexuality because a lot of options were made available to characters of both sexes, there was no mincing around or advertising of it, It sort of felt natural.
and I hate gays, so that's saying something
>twink betas getting mad at someones opinion on the internet
>That doesn't mean it's applicable to any male character anywhere. Just like a certain gay issue isn't applicable to any gay anywhere.
I already said I wasn't for quotas or forced representation.
You don't need to keep repeating about how all gay issues shouldn't reflect all gay characters.
Because I've never said they should.
>Arcade's sexuality isn't remotely hidden, it simply is
I'm not saying it is.
Let me completely clear the air.
I'm not saying he's a bad character. I'm not saying he's a bad GAY character.
I'm not saying he should say more about being gay.
I'm not saying being gay should be a bigger part of his character.
I'm not saying gay characters should be defined by their sexuality.
I'll be very clear.
Being gay CAN be a huge impact on your life.
Games that attempt to model life realistically, which have gay characters, might also represent that.
And the idea that a "good" gay character is one wherein their sexuality isn't brought up or makes up such a minor part of their character it might as well be a trait someone picked out of hat conversely implies that a "bad" gay character is one wherein they do bring it up, or it has made an impact in their life.
>That's nothing I was stating, and not what most people ITT are stating.
I'll start linking posts if you want me to.
That goes without saying, but people, characters, you should be able to relate to when creating them.
Women create characters out of us out of their own twisted ideas of what they think we should be like, if you can find a gay character that was actually designed by a man, tell me, I can't think of any, at least nothing indie.
And that's my issue, we don't need more gay characters being written, we just need better ones being written, ones being written by actual gay men, just like I'd expect a lesbian to write a lesbian character or a trans person to write a trans role(but lets be honest, they'll rather try to make their preferred pronoun role instead)
>>Men create characters out of us out of their own twisted ideas of what they think we should be like, if you can find a female character that was actually designed by a female, tell me, I can't think of any, at least nothing indie.
>And that's my issue, we don't need more female characters being written, we just need better ones being written, ones being written by actual females
for the same reason things get shitted on in every medium - they're overrated as fuck
nobody talks about how great a character mario is and how meaningful his actions and thoughts are, and the same goes for every other straight character
i disagree with the idea that no video game character is written well, but the difference is that the gay characters written badly are paraded around like they're the next coming of jesus because of how original and amazing it is for society going forward.
bad gay characters are so much worse than bad "who knows" characters because everyone thinks they're great when they're just not
That's nonsense. Being gay is never an important or relevant part of a person's life, just like how being straight isn't relevant part of a straight person's life.
There's no reason to ever bring it up with anybody, or have it be this dominant part of their plotline or character arc. That makes no sense.
I think this is a great post. A good character reflects something true to life, if a person defines themselves by their sexuality in some way that should be reflected in the character.
Even admitting that being gay can affect someone's life tremendously, it's often done so heavy-handedly in games that the character becomes nothing more than a walking repository of unfortunate gayness and has no inner life as a human being. What's remarkable about Arcade is that he very much is a human being, you can almost imagine how he came to terms with his homosexuality. He reminds me of a lot of successful gay academics who process their homosexuality in a highly logical way and then proceed with the rest of their life as if it's completely unimportant.
>The study also made feminists pretty mad because it debunked the commonly touted "1 in 5 women get raped" statistic. Apparently, it's only 8,7 % of women and 6,4 % of men.
...But isn't less women getting raped a GOOD thing?
Why even have a faggot in gaming, is his purpose being that one guy who takes it up the pooper in the game?
Why not have a Russian companion, or any other nationality? More of them in the world than faggots, and you can just say they're some ancestors of an ambassador like the potential MC in Fallout 1.
>Why is /v/ full of conservishits these days?
Literally just reddit immigrants thanks to /pol/.
Redditards who find reddit too "leftist" hear about this edgy /pol/ board which espouses "traditional christian values" like hating gays and women, then come here and shit up this place with their childish bullshit.
everyone is sick of stereotyped gay behavior in games as much as they are IRL
if it were people being who they really are that's one thing, but that ugly masquerade with the high pitched voices and the strutting, fuck that man
that's not sexuality, that's culture
I never said they didn't, but it still stands that poor writing is poor writing.
I want gay characters to be written by gay men, maybe then will people(including myself) stop cringing at the sight of female fanfiction tier gay male writing in vidya.
The irony is thick coming from a faggot that's butthurt people don't like the fact that he likes to pillage the buttholes of other men since that typically leads to things like HIV
>None of these characters ever say they're straight.
>Nothing gives any evidence that they are straight or gay.
When someone mentions a spoon, you think about a normal spoon. You don't think about an anomaly, like a bent spoon unless someone has implied that the spoon is bent.
Mostly because most magic users have a rep for being sexually loose in the witcher universe . In the games and books it often implied that's one of the reasons that people dislike them . But what can you do when the people you hate not only have seats in power but have powers that can summon tornados of fire? Hell,you can see this in medival history as well where those of wealth were allowed to express sexuality .while the common man was be hanged at the very first sight of homosexuality
>I already said I wasn't for quotas or forced representation.
>You don't need to keep repeating about how all gay issues shouldn't reflect all gay characters.
Apparently I do since you keep not understanding the same point I've been making this entire time. Which is just that. That's literally it.
>Being gay CAN be a huge impact on your life.
>And the idea that a "good" gay character is one wherein their sexuality isn't brought up or makes up such a minor part of their character it might as well be a trait someone picked out of hat conversely implies that a "bad" gay character is one wherein they do bring it up, or it has made an impact in their life.
No, not really.
>I'll start linking posts if you want me to.
>if a person defines themselves by their sexuality in some way
But those people are always shitty and obnoxious. You don't see heterosexuals let their sexuality define them in any way, like by dating or getting married. That shit should not be in games.
>and then proceed with the rest of their life as if it's completely unimportant.
This is how people should process their sexuality. Having it affect their lives is just pathetic. Are people really so weak and unevolved as to let their sexual preferences influence their lives?
If I was gay, the last thing I'd want to think about is being in love with or being attracted to other men. Become a doctor, a scientist, an engineer, not wasting away on something as plebeian as sexuality.
Reddit makes stormfront look like stormfront lite these days. I've had content of mine posted on there that's made it on the front page, and somehow they manage to turn entirely apolitical videos and make it about the perceived SJW threat, just flat out racism and fucking John Cena jokes. Also dubstep remixes. Fuck reddit.
I'm giving honest answers anon, gay representation in video games is pretty much exclusively made by women FOR WOMEN, and everyone wonders why people hate it, including myself.
You words would cut deeper if you could show me a triple aaa developed game with a gay character that was developed by a gay man.
But I still wouldn't give a shit, because like I said, you are talking to the wrong faggot if you think I care about women. Just truth.
Oh no. He hit reply and just pranced off. He wins.
But since you're clearly gone. Maybe I shouldn't even bother replying.
Oh sweet it's an underage thread!
>I'm giving honest answers anon, female representation in video games is pretty much exclusively made by men FOR MEN, and everyone wonders why women hate it, including myself.
Literally anita dude
you should stop caring so much about "representation", videogames aren't real
You see it all the fucking time. You've got sleazes and sluts everywhere who do nothing but touting the pussy they got, how the ass was fat. There's even fucking professions for it.
It's literally how they define themselves.
>Avoid the fact that you were the first one to whine about /v/ not being your personal hugbox
>lel, he uses "kuck" guys, he's clearly underaged"
It's funny when libfags always try to dodge things with insults.
my parents flaunt the fact that they're a heterosexual couple all the time by the fact of being married. How fucking obnoxious can you get? It's why I moved out, couldn't stand having their disgusting sexuality rubbed in my face. I'm living a life of chastity, free of such unevolved desires.
>Become a doctor, a scientist, an engineer, not wasting away on something as plebeian as sexuality.
I'm pretty sure that's a requirement to become a doctor, scientist or engineer, regardless of sexuality. Purge that shit, it's only a distraction in the pursuit of knowledge.
I don't care about representation as much as I care about characters that don't suck shit.
Women can't write good gay male characters, it's a a god damn fact, that's the unfortunate truth to this whole thread.
Gay characters wouldn't be stereotypes if they were written by men, it's just that simple.
Calling me anita doesn't magically make me wrong, it means women are for the most part shitty writers and if you want gay characters to become better you need to not allow women to do it.
Who the fuck cares, this is vidya, give me better fucking games and characters.
>Everyone on /v/ is gay
What did I expect
>Only person that isnt a fucking retard is the one saying that him being gay doesn't define him.
>He's just gay because thats ok to be as a person.
>They don't flaunt it or pander
"BUT STRAIGHT PEOPLE DO STRAIGHT THINGS AND U DONT GT MD"
God I hate tumblr and reddit
The only other gay characters that dont shove it in your face is the Hunter in Witcher 3 and that dude from The Last of Us. They dont shove it in your face and their lives dont revolve around being gay and proud ala Dragon Age.
The fact that he's gay wasn't the very foundation to that characters personal drama.
Also fuck you Bioware
>I'm living a life of chastity, free of such unevolved desires.
Oh wow. I don't have any fedora images saved because I'm not a faggot. But holy shit now is an appropriate time for one.
Jesus fucking christ.
Couldn't agree more. People bitching about gay people being gay in videogames are hypocrites if they don't bitch about Duke Nukem and the like, and I've never seen anyone on /v/ bitch about Duke Nukem being too sexual.
there's is literally no reason why a character being gay would ever have to be relevant to their character or development or friendships or relationships.
keep it out of my fucking games
Did you not get the joke
>and I've never seen anyone on /v/ bitch about Duke Nukem being too sexual.
Aha this is true. or Geralt having sex. Or GTA sex stuff. or really any AAA game these days.
>"MUH tumblr boogeyman" whenever some has a non rightist opinion
Nobody ever got called a redditor or tumblrina for having a non-rightist opinion. You usually get called either by being a huge faggot with a shit opinion
Would someone like to have a screenshot?
proofs pls, also 2007 to your ad hominem
Did you read a book on arguments? Whatever, my point still stands. There's still hetero people who will fuck countless anonymous people the night before with or without all-natural prophylactics and have nothing to do the next day except work a shitty job and gloat about their conquests and get more tail.
And point made, he was better than most of the tumblr trash from most of these devs.
I still maintain though that my favorite characters are John Marston and Dom Santiago, they didn't have to be gay characters for me to appreciate them, and that's the point, they just had to be well written enough to give me a boner.
And at the end of the day, that's all that matters.
I suppose I took that post at face value like an idiot. It can be difficult to tell when someone's joking on /v/ since this place is filled with so many legitimately stupid people who would say things like completely unironically.
>using the word minority like it's an instant pass into victim status
I didn't know that being in a minority automatically means I can demand good representation on moral grounds. Now where's my positive representations of people who fap to loli?
I like it when a game is gay.
So I guess in summary:
-Gays are always shoehorned in for pandering
-Gays are always obnoxious and shove it in your face
-Gays are never well written unlike other videogames
-Gays are not normal and shouldn't be in games
Are there are other intelligent reasons?
>1000 year old little boy turned skeleton wants to fuck an old man
>old man wants to fuck a slutty hermaphrodite
>hermaphrodite would rather masturbate with half her body possessed by an evil spirit
>they're all technically robots
That's either incredibly fucked up or incredibly tolerant.
Ciri was like that in the books too. In the sixth book she gets really mad when one dude tries to tell her that she's not really bi:
>"Ah, now I get it," interrupted Ciri, surprised by her own calm, "I've seen plenty of people like you."
>"Just like any dumb cock, you get all hot and bothered when you think about me and Mistle. And just like any arrogant, puffed up male you got it into your dumbass head that you should cure me from degeneracy and make me all wholesome again. But you know what's truly degenerate? Thoughts and ideas like yours!"
>and raikov was pretty much gay as well
is his story expanded on in PO? the only thing we gather in mgs 3 is that he is volgins little fuckboi
Is it implied that he fugged a woman in PO is what I am asking
Down to the Steven universe farce where they got someone to attempt suicide over drawing a character not fat.
All this anger and tossery online makes me feel really healthy mentally while I'm putting my dick in y'alls dad
You assume that equal representation of minorities in all media, even videogames, is only just. It's the right thing, the moral thing to do. It needs to be done so that the voices of the minorities can be heard, right? What about minorities that even you don't like though? Suddenly your position starts to look really inconsistent if we start talking about those people I'm sure.
If you reduce a person to their sexuality you are turning them into boring nobodies. Who you want to fuck is an incredibly "who cares" aspect of character. Might as well just be a statue that says "gay" on it at that point because they would be the same thing.
>If you reduce a person to their sexuality
Who said anything about reducing, just by it being an important part of them? Someone can have lots of important integral traits you know. just saying someone is gay isn't reducing them to just being gay.
>You assume that equal representation of minorities in all media, even videogames, is only just.
No I didn't, I just suggested the purpose.
>What about minorities that even you don't like though?
Dude, ever seen The Woodsman? Powerful shit. Give me anyone's story, I fucking love empathising with undesirables, it's trippy.
>Down to the Steven universe farce where they got someone to attempt suicide over drawing a character not fat.
Not even "not fat." Not "as fat."
The craziest thing is imagining people devoting a portion of their time to stalking her tumblr for posts so they can put them up on their hate blog directed at her.
And she'll probably be stalked for a long time after all that happened.
It's somewhat like how there's the constant barrage of posts about whatever e-celeb, feminist, whatever that we should be upset by on /v/.
I'm full blown homo-gay bear and he's a well written gay character. The shit by bioware, in comparison, is terrible shit that makes me cringe. I love when people ITT assume so much shit. I also hate fags who are in your face about their gayness. It's not hard to just be gay and it's not a defining part of your character if you live in europe. Maybe it's different in burgerland where people only care about who you fuck and the colour of your skin.
Murrica is all about identity politics: the more labels you can stick on people the better. This is also why they're so obsessed with knowing what race or ethnicity one belongs to.
So what if its a dating game, and they never once mention that the character is gay but I can still fuck them even if I'm of the same gender?
Or is it still too offensive for you?
I like the over the top gayness when it's done for a point.
Like Enchanted arms and Mokoto. He's faggy as fuck with the lisp and wants edge-kun's dick and isn't afraid to say it.
Then he 'dies'
then you meet the Mysterious Man who is him but without all the gay because the gay was a ruse? or this is the ruse I can't remember but the point is he was a badass.
That's what I don't get about the gw2 logic.. Caithe keeps her sexuality pretty private but then there's fucking Marjory and Kasmeer.
I like them as characters but the unnecessary focus on their relationship is so fucking annoying. It's like, "HEY GUYS, WE'RE IN LOVE AND WE'RE GAYYYYYYYYYYY, PAY ATTENTION TO US!", hell, I'm bi and even I can't put up with that shit, is the same with fucking Logan and Jenna, even though they're straight. I don't care about your broken heart, it's a fucking MMORPG, I want to kill stuff ffs
/v/ for fucks sake this black and white thinking needs to stop.
According to people there are only 2 types of gays:
>those who hide it
>those who are super flamboyant faggots
There is a lot between those two options.
Steven Universe fanbase is literally cancer. I remember there was this white german chick who cosplayed as the black afro girl from steven universe and tumblr sjws were saying she was doing blackface and she couldnt cosplay her because she's white. kek
I think it's okay to have some openly aggressively gay characters in games
I think the number of them to non openly aggressiveoy gay characters is too high tho
I hope someone has posted a link to that key and Peele sketch by now tho
Moose from the secret world. You never know he's gay unless you keep asking him questions.
There's also a MtF transgender that you never know about unless you also ask many questions about their life.
>Just like you don't have characters bragging about how straight they are in games
Who is Duke Nuke'em?
and for real life, what is a Chad?
Its ok for a character to define themselves by there sexuality, just for it to be entertaining the writer has to self aware that this kind of behavior is annoying to 90% of their audience and play into it.
Like Duke Nuke'em.
It's almost like being straight is normal and appealing to most people for good reason, while being gay, a tranny, a fat-positive hairy woman or playing as a scrawny neckbeard is abnormal and not that appealing to most people, and therefore it shouldn't be the norm or expected. Not everyone wants every piece of media to be a PC utopia with positive representation of every marginal group and medical condition under the sun.
>b-but muh heteronormativity!
With a main character you shoot for over the top as possible to try and shoot for laughs by him just being a massive caricature
For a side character that is annoying to be entertaining you have something bad, usually ironic, happen to them thought the course of the story if you are going for yucks. When you don't have enough time with them to make there over the top-ness endearing having bad things happen to annoying people is a good route to go with it.
You just have to be a good writer, that's it really.
Cho Aniki advertises itself on the bara stereotype. If you're playing it and can't stand that, you've only got yourself to blame.
It also doesn't get preachy about it. It's gay from beginning to end, that's it.
No. You don't need to be closeted about it, but also you don't have to flaunt it to everyone. Constructing your personality on the foundation of who you like to fuck is looked down upon because
a) it's shallow and comes off as attention seeking behavior
b) people don't like to be constantly reminded that other people have sex
Dude, be gay if you want to. Be lesbian. Be bi, whatever. Just don't rub everybody's face in it.
In the world he lives in, he succeeds, because it literally revolves around him. Try his attitude in real life and see if it brings you fulfillment. I guarantee you it won't. Maybe for a time, but not forever.
Nothing lasts forever.
But I doubt there are many men that wouldn't sign up to have his life for a few years.
>kicks ass all the time
>gets away with murder
>gets pussy all the time
>is the most famous guy on the planet
It's every guy's fantasy.
FANG AND VANILLE, FXIII
Lesbians, and also one is 15yo and the other one 32.
But you literally CAN'T have his life. The point the guy has everything he desires has nothing to do with his behaviour, which is the only thing about him you can imitate.
>implying I can't get /fit/ as fuck
Yes you can. Won't really help you if you're a dick, though.
Yes, that's why it's a fantasy.
Games aren't about realism, part of it is about living vicariously.
Why would I want to play a game about some faggot with a boring wage slave job?
There are TWO (count them!) TWO homosexual companion characters in New Vegas.
You think that's subtle? Did I just wander into tumblr or something?
Remember: you can't spell "J. Sawyer" without "S.J.W"!
I totally agree. The point is though, overly gay characters get annoying because they often get shoved inside a game in a preachy sort of way. "
>See this guy? He fucks guys. Let us remind you of this all day long.
Arcade Gannon is a good example against this sort of trend. He's gay, but first and foremost, he's your brother in arms and a scientist, and his life doesn't revolve around it - Why would it? It's the freaking post-apocalypse. Life's hard enough as it is without being an attention seeker. The way his sexuality is implemented seems more realistic that way.
I don't really care about a "right" way to portray faggots.
If all those people who complained about some fag in a game did
1) stopped complaining so leftist faggots can't pretend to be the victim anymore
2) stop buying games with portrayals they don't agree with
this shit would have stopped ages ago.
I hate the way fags are portrayed in Dragon Age, I just don't buy their shit.
They can whine as much as they want, they'll never be normal. It's hilarious really and a bit sad.
I fucking hate how they shoehorned that "miss pauling is gay " thing inntf2 comics
Its plain terrible and nobody except gay people agree with it
>tfw u will never see the beeyotiful love story between scout and pauling again
Demonstrations can be good, but the kind of shit in that image doesn't help anything. Having a "dialogue" can be good, but when part of that dialogue is "look at how fucked up and perverse these people are", it only slows (slowed) down acceptance.
You guys said that all along yet gay rights are stronger than ever, even if we're not quite there yet. You're on the losing side of history, buddy. Luckily it's not too late to change sides.
>You're on the losing side of history
Not really faggot.
Society will always depend upon heterosexual people to perpetuate it.
Protip: that's why heterosexual people are considered 'normal' since they make sure society exists.
They'll always be inherently 'normal' so your struggle will eternal and your only hope for victory is literally destroying society as it exists. So have fun with your doomed struggle.
Can you fuck off back to tumblr? Just because I don't want characters like Cortez, doesn't mean I give a shit if you fuck some guy in the ass.
only if you hang out with a bunch of assholes. Flamboyant straight people exist and I'd argue that the ratio is the same to that of flamboyant gays but you see more of them because there's simply more straight people out there.
The only reason people think all gays are flamboyant is because flamboyant gays are the only people who broadcast that they're gay. The world is filled with silent moderates.
You think society will regress back to the values of the 50s? Me neither. That's why you're on the wrong side.
There is no natural human state. We were always progressing. At some point shitting in the woods and wiping with your hand was the norm. Is that natural? If so, would you say it's preferable to the "abnormal" practice of porcelain and toilet paper? Didn't think so.
Nothing the modern human does could be considered natural in a sense that appeals to our most base history. Least of all marriage, be it straight or gay. That doesn't make it wrong. In fact I'd argue that the true nature of a human being is to transcend our simpler instincts. That's how we achieve art, society, democracy, science, japanese imageboards and so on.
WE HAVE A LITERAL SOCIAL JUSTICE WARRIOR ON OUR HANDS
>character is gay but doesnt flaunt it
>"why make him gay at all"
>character is gay and flaunts it
>"wow shoving his sexuality in our faces"
there's really no winning. being gay isn't the norm so there is no way to make a character gay without raising questions as to why it was done
you literally would have not have a future generation with an all gay society you fucking lunatic
also please inform me why gays are more likely to harbor mental illness than straights?