BLUNDER OF THE CENTURY
>youtube comments already have people defending this garbage
Fallout 4 is garbage but people like you are the exact reason why.
The reason why every game Bethesda has ever made sucks fucking ass is because they feel the need to create 1000000000000 kilometers of map, but the only have content worth a shit for 10 meters. You have no actual incentive to go around exploring, because 95% of what you look around for isn't worth the time it takes to get there.
Morrowind is the game with the least of this problem because the map is way smaller (the smaller of all the Elder Scroll games) but it's still a bit present there.
New Vegas tries to use clever design to basically force you into a linear path while pretending it's an open world game. It still suffers from having to be open world and exploring outside the box they set you to explore sucks.
Fallout 4 is garbage for many reasons, a smaller map is not one of them. Stupid faggots.
In a way these faces are less appealing than 3/NV. How the fuck did they accomplish that?
I'm probably going to get Fallout 4 eventually, but I'm not here to go full on Bethesdrone defend mode on it.
However, if it takes 11 minutes to RUN from one end to the other, that honestly doesn't seem too bad. Since the player was literally just running basically in a straight line.
If you take that 11 minutes to run in a straight line from one side to the other and add up all the other sections of the map where you'd run from one side to the other, it would take a big chunk of time to explore the map fully.
Also Bethesda games have a lot of interiors which add a lot more space to explore.
Again, not a Bethesdrone. I thought Skyrim was fucking terrible. But this video is clearly misleading. Especially since it says 'walking' when the player is clearly running at full speed
>Its bigger than skyrim's map and without the mountains!
What about all that fucking water?
You're a fucking moron.
Empty space isn't fucking content. If you go play through Skyrim or Fallout 3, you'll have 90% of the "content" being empty space and 10% of the content being actual fucking content.
And now you're crying because the empty space isn't big enough.
Again, Fallout 4 will be garbage, but having a smaller map will probably make it less garbage than the other Fallout games past 2 and any of the Elder Scroll games.
Its the same size or slightly bigger.
You just move slow as FUCK in Skyrim/FO3. Even Skyrim's horse is slow as fuck. Plus Skyrim has a mountain or two in the center of it.
Can't defend those garbage character models. The skin looks all fucked up, the facial animations are fucking awful or poorly animated.
This, and this is why something like...hell even the first Witcher wound up being a much more memorable experience despite having limited area and being budget as fuck. The devs were aware of their limitations and chose to work within a restricted area. The area is smaller, and less "content" some would say, but it winds up being a far superior product and experience.
>shilling this hard
You can stop anytime.
There's literally zero reason they couldn't have made it bigger and added more content to fill in the empty space. Even the next Call of Duty is going to have more content than this, which I think I'll be preordering as soon as I cancel the one I have on this abortion.
>le epic foor chan youtube comments
>le based gaber gummy jim
this is the face of /v/
I looked it up, supposedly it takes 30 minutes to traverse Skyrim. I should run a test myself, but either way, the mountains can only add so much time more. And having obstacles preventing you to go in every single direction and never hit a wall is certainly more interesting design than being able to go anywhere without having to even think about your route.
>Mr. TheEssJayDoubleyus won shilling his own comment
>walk the entire map
>dont encounter any enemies
WHAT THE FUCK?!
Why did they get rid of the cool HUD from 3 and New Vegas?
It looks so bland now
Exactly. Witcher 1 and Witcher 2 are a million times better than Witcher 3 because they didn't do the Open World bullshit.
>There's literally zero reason they couldn't have made it bigger and added more content to fill in the empty space.
YOU MEAN DESPITE THE FACT THEY HAVE PROVEN TIME AND TIME AGAIN THEY ARE FUCKING INCAPABLE OF DOING THAT? HAVE YOU PLAYED ANY BETHESDA GAME EVER?
Might have something to do with the video being uploaded by a fellow /v/irgin and it'll be taken down very soon, so not a whole lot of outsiders can comment.
To be fair, sprinting was a nice addition. But it's ripped out of Skyrim that's for sure. Not sure how they'd go about improving it though?
He encountered a few, but none actually stalked him more than five meters. Wow, the dangers of the wastes. Thanks Todd.
Who the fuck seriously wanted that bullshit builder mode?
That is my reason to blame for them not spending time on everything else. That and also I feel the game seems rushed. Should have waited another year.
Ah, you're right.
>Not sped up, you're looking at about 14 minutes, with sprint on for about half of the time.
And this is with him traversing the mountains even. But to be fair, just walking around the mountains in Skyrim made the game feel a lot bigger than it really was. Boston doesn't have that, so everything is going to feel fucking tiny. I don't know, I feel mountains add a lot more in terms of land to travel.
Fucking this. This builder mode is literally the most useless feature in the game. I bet raiders wont even try to invade your shitty fort, except for one or two quests.
It would be neat if we could make a city like megaton and get the option to move the npcs to our town after we complete their sidequests, though.
It shouldn't be unreasonable to expect improvements from a company after being in the business for decades now. I'm tired of excuses, the fact of the matter is that they're just lazy, and this is proof that the video game industry is literally declining when things should be advancing.
I mean fuck, I'd take Daggerfall's world over this at this point, at least it took longer than 11 minutes to traverse.
You completely misunderstand, I'm not trying to excuse Bethesda's bullshit.
I'm saying that, among many of their ways of making their games actually good, they should have the map be even smaller than the one in that youtube video and have it filled to the brim with content worth a shit.
Instead of spending 8 minutes to walk by a place to find one quest that is boring, badly written and not worth your time, you have quests everywhere in a smaller tighter area that are actually worth your time and fun.
Bethesda's mistake, from the get go, was in being obsessed with the concept of Open World, when it never had the resources to accomplish it. It's just a marketing buzz. "SEE THAT MOUNTAIN? YOU CAN CLIMB IT", when you actually play their games it fucking sucks.
He didn't even run from one corner to the other. He literally fucking stopped like 60% of the way, and i'm pretty sure you could do the same fucking thing time wise with f03 and nv.
But thanks for the video link op that entire thing convinced me to buy it honestly. Don't really get all the asspain about it other than /v/ always shits all over any bethesda product and then ends up playing the shit out of it.
All true Fallout fans knew it was gonna be a step backwards towards 3.
Bland, almost all enemies and no actual storytelling besides the main quest and a few select side quests, and of course GUISE I CAN SHOOT LAZERS MORE FLUIDLY NAO OMG GOTY!!!
For some reason this game reminds me of The Pitt, seems more industrial, and I hated The Piit with a passion
The map size seems okay, but you know what I'm more worried about, look at how many locations we saw. Maybe 3 cities? Most of which were just enemies and mostly blocked doors?
It's Fallout 3 all over again. Shoot raiders and mutants and follow the on-rails questline and then you drop the game because Bethesda can't make a fucking game worth playing more than 15 hours
So instead of mountains wasting space, we get unexplorable buildings wasting space
You actually have to discover locations and not just walk from one corner to another anon.
And nobody knows how many dungeons and vaults there are to explore
>ZOMG EMPTY WASTELAND ISN'T BIG CANCELLED PREORDER
> taking 95 around Boston to get down to the cape instead of taking 93 through the city
That's understandable. Don't see why people are making a fuss.
I didn't preorder this game because it's made by one of the worst current developers, they have taken all their IPs and fucked them all by pandering to action fans and marketing their bad games instead of making good ones
Have a great time spending 60+ dollars to play something for 10-15 hours and then getting bored because Bethesda markets their failed products to dumbasses like you
B-but now we can shoot without VATS! A-and...um...SPECIAL was overrated! I would rather have this streamlined dialogue too, Bioshock:Infinite is one of my favorite games of all time!
>80% of map is literally empty
>the other 20% is just enemies that immediately aggro, chase after you, then give up if you run away for a few seconds
So it's exactly like Fallout 3. People like this?
the comments to this post are hilarious
The map is the same size as Skyrim. You guys will fucking turn anything into a big deal if it gives you something to shitpost about.
What really gets me is the god awful textures. Why do the buildings, especially houses, look like they're made of cardboard? Skyrim definitely looked better than that. Hell, I think even FO3 looked better than that.
20 million copies of Skyrim sold. I think they've found the right formula here.
>why make buildings that look like they're made of cardboard
probably because they are made of cardboard considering it's after the nuclear apocalypse.
If you go on sites like Reddit and Youtube, the general consensus is that Fallout 3 was better and New Vegas was "boring" probably because it didn't have enough enemies to shoot, and people LITERALLY say that exploring the train tunnels was one of the best parts of the game for them
God, I can't even fucking go on video game forums anymore because all you fucking morons do is COMPLAIN, CRY, AND BITCH about every little fucking thing. Nobody just fucking enjoys a game for what it is anymore
You're the shit stain of the gaming community, and boy, is that shit stain one hell of a streak
Not trying to sound like a shill, Im not buying fallout, but I'd rather fallout with some more enterable buildings than GTA's big map with only certain shops and the beginning of a police station enterable
>probably because they are made of cardboard considering it's after the nuclear apocalypse.
You have to be trolling here, there's no way you're serious
I knew old /v/ has been dead for years, but I refuse to believe people with taste this bad come on here
>for what it is
That's the thing, we are critiquing it for what it is. An uninspired, lazy, insulting cash grab. It dumbs down the series even more. Why even have perks at this point, just make the entire game going through corridors and shooting mutants while the game gives you high fives the whole time.
>I refuse to believe people with taste this bad come on here
>muh graphics and textures
>Wow Bethesda games look ugly
>still complaining about this shit
Never ever change, moron.
2 hours of what though. I'm kind of sick of open world games with a lot of just nature that you can't really do anything in. It doesn't help when you also can't go in most buildings. Idk, I'm just tired of open world games not trying to make worlds more realistic in being able to go in places
>lets blindly eat the shit they give us
not all of us are fucking sheep that follow the shills.
>enjoy a game for what it is
Easily my favorite videogame damage control meme of all time. Yes, why isn't the world enlightened enough to enjoy such classics as Superman 64, Atari's E.T.; a huge smash, and lest we forget Big Rigs which is the worlds foremost shipping truck simulation.
I hope Todd Howard offs himself after this glorified Fallout 3 mod (now with Disney™ art filter!) completely flops tbqh
I have to agree with reddit about the subway thing here. Exploring the subways was one of the most memorable things about fallout 3.. and if you're not playing on very hard, you're doing it very wrong
You niggers really are the most stupid negroids in the world aren't you?
Am I a crazy person for thinking 10 minutes is pretty damn okay for an open world map.
He's walking across it in a straight line the size of his character model. Like holy shit. If it takes that long to go as the crow flies then I can't imagine how much stuff is in between and behind doors.
I just think its weird and short sighted to judge the amount of content based on how long it takes to run from corner to corner, by that logic it only takes 6 hours to get across the USA. so its actually a small country.
i'm still gonna buy the game and try to enjoy it. i'll let you guys know if it's actually shit or not. bunch of fucking retards saying it's bad before it's even released
don't you want it to be good? why would you put it in your mind that it is disgusting before you even taste it
That's not what I'm saying. What I mean is that every popular game comes out, and this entire board comes here to only say negative things about it. On most of the boards I've been on, every popular game is utter shit because
>muh graphics arent 4k ultra realistic 1000FPS
>gameplay isn't realistic hurr durr
>story is too short/long
All I'm saying is, do people even enjoy playing video games anymore?
I don't even own a PS4, nor a PS3 for that matter
I've bought plenty of games, and every major Bethesda game in the Fallout/ES series. Each one has been worse and worse, with the exception of NV which was developed by Obsidian. Bethesda has been really going downhill, and I was incredibly disappointed with Skyrim like many others
>I'm kind of sick of open world games with a lot of just nature that you can't really do anything in. It doesn't help when you also can't go in most buildings
You have a quarrel with limitations then. And which group has been limiting everyone for a long time? :^)
No but, I feel you mang.
Because I have eyes and I can see it. It's not as big of a 'bait and switch / fuck off' as the Aliens Colonial Marines, but it's still a slap in the mouth.
Lazy devs shouldn't be rewarded when twelve slavs with a potato can make visually impressive games.
This. I used to love open world games but now I'm just kind of sick of running through empty, mostly boring deserts/wastelands/forests.
MGSV would have been better linear.
Bloodborne is goty
Yes, yes you are. That's so small compared to other games' maps. Hell, the area of Fallout 4's map is roughly half the area of Fallout 3's, and I thought Fallout 3 felt small.
>What I mean is that every popular game comes out, and this entire board comes here to only say negative things about it.
>Things that can be patently proven untrue for 500, please
What is The Witcher 3, and MGS 5 before people got to the end and realized it was a half assed cash grab just like FO4 will be, Alex.
>All I'm saying is, do people even enjoy playing video games anymore?
If criticism triggers you this hard, consider getting your reviews exclusively from the christian gaming review network. True objectivity in the eyes of the consumer and our lord. God bless.
sure anon! here are some games I am currently enjoying:
Path of Exile
In fact, some of those games are abject shit, yet I still enjoy them (looking at you, CSGO). Heck, I'm even excited for battlefront! Egads!
But F04 still sucks
Pretty sure those buildings are not made out of cardboard. That would be structurally unsound.
Furniture nowadays is made with a material fairly close to cardboard, but much more dense.
Architecture? No, and I'm pretty sure any house made of cardboard besides a shanty would collapse
>InternetAristocrat having a hissy fight with a brony in the comments
Champion of /pol/ and /gg/ everyone
Mayne if they had another 7 years to fill the map up with content. All open world games suffer from lack of shit filling up the empty space. Fallout mgsv and Witcher 3 all have copy pasted encounters and ruins to fill up their empty maps. Shit sucks. Fallout 4 will be a bad game but open world games benefit from smaller maps.
Well drop a couple of nukes on them and see how they turn out you stupid nigger.
I know /v/ loves bashing on anything and everything but this video is sorta getting me a bit pumped, it seems as if they went with the point lookout art-direction for the wilderness and I loved that shit. It's too bad that it'll be small and won't have as many quests as you'd like but I'll definitely pirate day 1
Yeah Fallout 4 will be shit for other reasons (like the fact it's basically skyrim with guns and doesn't really qualify as an RPG anymore), this isn't really a great complaint
>open world games benefit from smaller maps.
It might just be the youtube compression, but this seems really comfy honestly.
Still, the animation, graphics and taking 11 FUCKING MINUTES to walk across the WHOLE MAP is inexcusable.
This game looks like dogshit and there seems to be no redeeming qualities.
>Map looks barren
>Fps gameplay looks terrible
>Graphics and animations are trash
>Voice acting is shit
>The dialogue wheel is atrocious
I can't think of anything that I have seen so far that makes it look like it's worth a purchase.
>Am I a crazy person
No, you're correct. Every open world game I can think of, except for a select few like Just Cause and Dirt which are enormous but empty, would probably take that long. Or even less time.
It's pretty jarring to turn the view distance in Morrowind way up and actually see how close all the landmarks are to each other. Same shit in most of their games.
But OP probably knows that, he just wants to shitpost because it's currently trendy to shitpost about Fallout 4 on /v/. There ARE legitimate problems to complain about, but this isn't one of them.
Come now, voice acting is pretty good. There is actual emotion in their voice this time around.
Guys. 11 Minutes is a LONG time, especially while sprinting. Several people who have the game early have stated that there is so much to do on the map that everything feels massive. baka. So many haters in the comments.
You do realize that it doesn't take long because, unlike other Bethesda games, there are no bullshit annoying mountains that you have to walk your ass around?
No it's still terrible, just because it's better than the older Bethesda games doesn't mean it has good voice acting it just means it's better than some of the worst voice acted wrpgs of all time. .
that's why I play with friends, anon.
Although yes sometimes things get stale but that's not a complete list of every game I enjoy. Some people find grinding competitive games enjoyable, you know.
what does it feel like to be a mindless consumer with no sense of choice or preference about the products you purchase
Did you wake up a faggot today, or did you have to work on it?
Unless troll, in which cause I give 3/10 apply yourself
Wow sorry you have shit taste, Japan offers only the finest gaming cuisine, and I'm afraid you won't be chowing down any time soon...
Fuck off. People like to pretend they like rpg but when they come across an rpg with actual difficulty and reading they get turned off. No, people don't like rpgs. They like pretending to play rpgs which are actually action games. Why else would quest markers be invented?
WHYCOME THIS GAME NOT MY PERFECT DREAM GAME THAT'S IN MY DREAMS CANCELLED PREORDER HOW DARE THEY RELEASE A FUN GAME FOR EVERYONE WHEN ITS NOT EXACTLY AS I WANT IT REEEEEEE THEY LIEEEEEED.
Every retard who plays video games these days.
They'll still buy it or pirate it they just want to make themselves feel better for not paying for it
>wow how dare these people hate my game, which happens to be western
>SURELY THESE FUCKERS ARE DIRTY WEEB IDOLM@STER FANS!!!!!1
Not that anon, but I think it's still being played on a console. We all know you'll be able to play it with a gamepad but why wouldn't you play it with mouse and keyboard if you could?
I am forced to shed my kigarumi to debate you dear friend, I am very much against this casual western garbage, but it is clear you do not understand we are two brothers of soul! Nyaaroon~~
You cant be serious, right? Listen to the voice acting in the clips posted in /v/ and compare it to the games I listed and there is a massive difference in the tone and how the voice actors carry there emotions. Va and script go hand and hand retard but keeping defending your precious game.
I mean if you really wanna be that ultra realistic, you can turn off the entire HUD in a majority of games. At the end of the day, it's just a video game, not a second fucking life
Are you upset because Bethesda can't make a decent video game, friend?
I don't think that eleven minutes to cross the game world is particularly bad, and even the water I don't hugely mind, since there was a lot of dogshit useless space in Skyrim/Oblivion.
That said, the people talking about this on Youtube/Reddit are possibly the most pathetic fans out there.
I was on a stream earlier and the guy was playing maxed out on pc If you see any videos that has a man who look's like Johnny from the room as the pc then that's confirmed to be pc on ultra.
Name a better RPG released this year
>inb4 people unironically compare The Witcher 3(1 dimensional action RPG) to Fallout 4
How dare you accuse me of siding with them?! I am only trained in real games such as "I want to be magical ninja girl dreamer" and "young man, poses the soul to vanquish your own foes!" You western shills will grasp at any straws, but here have a smug anime pic to keep you warm nyaroon~~
If the script was more embellished you'd be literally playing a premade character. Cracking funny one liners while shooting would be fun for a while but they would lock you into being some B-movie action hero. They were trying to keep it more impersonal, which is a difficult task.
the classic shutdown.
>b b b but you haven't played it !!!
I guess we can't tell if fallout 4 will be bad either? since none of us have played it. fallout 4 looks fucking great guys!
"inference literally doesn't exist in my world!"
There's a difference here, there's literally gameplay you can watch and determine for yourself if the game is good.
You still haven't given me a good reason as to why the Division wouldn't be a good game
Sure thing buddy.
Not comparable to Fallout 4 as an RPG
>isometric generic fantasy D&D
>isometric in 2015
>can barely change your character's appearance
You still haven't brought any ammunition to this argument, you're just a stalling, shitposting retard.
I say the game looks bad based on the content they've shown; your response is "wait till you play it first".
You automatically lose this argument. Thanks for conceding.
There is no need for pretense here on 4chan. Saying you aren't a loser doesn't make you not a loser. In fact it is pretty pathetic to call another person a loser on 4chan of all places.
I love Planescape, NWN and Baldurs Gate 2 and have put over 1000 hours into them.
D&D is outdated. Do you really think Black Isle and Bioware would have made those D&D RPGs if they had powerful 3d graphics like we have today? Don't kid yourself.
Actually, no you haven't. You just said it looks like shit. I said it looks fun. We both have conflicting opinions with no ammunition.
At the end of the day we both lose because it's a fucking video game and you can choose to like or dislike it
>b-b-but it's a shitty game
Have fun convincing someone who's played the game and enjoyed it that it's a shitty game
That can refer to any video game, too. Ultimately, your opinion is shit and I don't care for it. I'm still buying the game and I'm gonna enjoy that and you can't do shit about it
If you chart a course that bypasses the mountains but still moves in a straight line (or better yet, activate no-clip then glide at running speed through the mountains) it takes about the same amount of time to traverse Skyrim in a straight line.
Seriously, I'm not even kidding, the only source for "It took 30 mins to cross Skyrim" is from a Kotaku reporter who got stuck on a mountain and stopped to check his fucking map repeatedly (and still counted it in the amount of time taken to cross the map for some reason, fucking Kotaku).
To run across Skyrim while sprinting when you can takes about 10 minutes, even less on a horse, I tested it myself.
So FO4 is roughly the same size as Skyrim is what I'm saying here so I really don't see the issue.
>that fucking radiation storm
The atmosphere in this is great. All I need is better textures and better facial animations and I'm set.
Looks like a better version of 3 and NV gameplay wise. Shame about that dialogue though.
>Do you really think Black Isle and Bioware would have made those D&D RPGs if they had powerful 3d graphics like we have today?
holy fuck this is fucking depressing
Reminder that you need an i7 and GTX 980 to max out this game
I agree. And the thing people are forgetting is that FO4 has sprint, which FO3 and NV lack, so this drastically cuts down on travel times on foot.
But whatever, /v/ seems to determined to hate this game that it doesn't really matter what anyone says.
How big was 3? I don't remember it taking long to get from one side of it to the other. What bothers me about this video is that I'm five minutes in and haven't seen shit. Just spooky woods.
Which are, admittedly, pretty spooky. Something about it makes me uncomfortable.
>>shilling this hard
>You can stop anytime.
>This game is shit, but not for the reason you said. There are many better reasons why the game is shit
I don't think that word means what you think it means.
>literally zero reason
You're right. Maybe they don't want good reviews or people to even enjoy the game. There was clearly a fucking reason you fucking faggot. Lurk more and work out what the fuck you're saying. You don't know what shill means.
The point of an RPG is to Role-Play as a character, there's no rule about having to role-play as a character created by you. In fact some of the earliest CRPGs had fixed characters and every Fallout game (including those made by Black Isle) give your character a backstory not made up by you. Does the addition of a romantic partner in your character's backstory really trigger you that much? Are you really THAT unimaginative that you can't roleplay unless all the tools are handed to you?
You really don't understand role-play do you.
>Street Fighter 5
Have fun playing the same shit from the past few games
>Dark Souls 3
Because dying every 10 seconds is fun as hell, right?
Your opinion, anon, but you're still a faggot
Yeah, but not an open map that's roughly 11 minutes of foll sprinting wide. It isn't a corridor level, it's one dimension of a whole map. Seems to be about the same size as Fallout 3.
Not surprised an Internet Aristocrat fanboi is insulted at /v/.
>dying every 10 seconds
wow I really am talking to a casual reddit baby who plays spotlight western garbage. on /v/ of all places.
this has been a surreal experience anon. thanks for this. you made my night.
They have the perk for breathing in water and getting no radiation from swimming, so hopefully there's a decent amount of shit in the water.
Otherwise, this is a load of barnacles.
If that is your first red flag after all of these leaks, you need your head checked.
FUCK no wonder you're a negative piece of shit.
You and everyone of this fucking board sucks Japanese developers dicks and automatically disregards everything western.
Fuck off, weeaboo, nobody cares about your Final Fantasy clones
Is 11 minutes even that short walking diagonally? There's nothing obstructing his path to go that way. If he were to explore the whole map, as in walking to the far right every 30 seconds or so, then to the far left it'd take hours
I bet some other anon can elaborate more. But we know:
You, either male or female character, is married with a son at the beginning of the game. You sign up to get into a vault and the war happens literally three minutes afterwards. You run off to vault, get down and there is some stuff you probably do in the vault. You go into cryo sleep, and when you wake up your son gets stolen from you and your partner gets shot as she refuses to let the baby go. That, or, your baby gets stolen before you go into cryo sleep for 200 years.
As you escape from the vault you try to find your missing son. Another fucking game about looking for family. Whatever. There are some rumours about your son being the bad guy which would literally surprise noone if it was, other than fags on reddit I guess.
That's a massive, inaccurate generalization.
Based on footage we've seen of character creation, combat, crafting and the game world. There will be a shit ton of different playstyles and lots of ways to mix them, like in the previous Fallouts. It will be first person or third person. I can play the game in VATs or real time, with companions or without, as a male or a female fully voiced, fat or thin, pacifist or non pacifist. Basically, the fact that it's another Fallout game pretty much guarantees it to be the best RPG this year, even with Bethesda's weak writing taken into account.
You could do the same shit in any Bethesda game though. Pick a straight line and try not to deviate, and you'll encounter minimal resistance. Something about spawn zones, you'll encounter a lot more hostility if you're wandering around into multiple spawn triggers or some shit.
I read about the way it worked in Oblivion a long time ago, but I don't know the particulars.
>i saw a deathclaw in FO3 at around level 3 or earlier
In this random encount er you get one of the three deathclaw gauntlet schematics,good on you,a dream when you started out with an unarmed build.
>Not just having Oblivion acrobatics and athletics scaling
>As you progress in the game you slowly get faster at doing it
>New players explore the game at the intended pace
>Old players get in and get out with their fetch quests
It was the right formula. And they fucked it up.
As has already been pointed out, 11 mins is about the same amount of time it would take to cross Skyrim if you don't get stuck behind a mountain.
FO4 is about the same size as Skyrim map-wise and Skyrim was plenty big enough in terms of area.
Honestly people complain about map size and always say they want bigger maps but ultimately if the map is too big things get tedious because it takes forever to go anywhere (unless the game has some kind of fast transport or the entire map is ultimately the same like GTA, where the only difference between areas of the map is where the quests are and exploring is meaningless). I mean hell, The Witcher 3 was a pain in the ass to traverse even with your horse, I can't even imagine making an even bigger map and making people travel across it on foot.
How many blunders of the century is this now? Like 57489302 and it's only the 15th year. /yawn
The may may is getting old now. Just let it die.
>I can't afford this game because I have no job, so I will shit on everyone who can afford it by saying it's bad because I say so.
Well, yeah. But it just shows off how large the world will be in a measurable way pre-release. 12 minutes walking diagonally across the map, and diagonally is the longest direction to walk. Like 1/5 of the fucking map is water.
It's not a waste, allows people like me to download it to safely store the leaks.
>implying there isn't better shit to buy than fucking Fallout 4
>I can't discuss anything like a normal person, so I will shit on everyone doing so and post really weak bait and enjoy all the replies from people telling me to go back to reddit
The subways were cool...the first time you played the game. The issue with Fallout 3 is that if you don't have any expectations and go in blind your first playthrough will be substantially better than the actual quality of the game. As soon as you revisit locations or replay it with a different character you start to see the cracks in the world-building. Fallout New Vegas is much better if you want to get an insight into the world of the Mojave Wasteland and understand the motivations of characters and the purpose behind every location.
Nice try shill. Divinity has a billion more RP elements alone and isn't a shitty made game with shit animations, shit AI, shit story, shit gameplay mechanics for idiots like you.
You ever farted so hard you thought you shit yourself? It's a pretty odd feeling cause you wanna check to be sure but at the same time you kinda don't wanna know since if you did shit yourself from the fart that would not only be nasty to see dookie all over your undies but also really embarrassing. Like damn I'd never let that down if it happened to me again.
I wrote the former post, but while I agree that pure size of the map means nothing, Witcher's map was huge because of the lay-out. You couldn't walk in a straight line because there were mountains, roads leading different ways etc. If anything this 'leak' just shows that the world is sort of boring logistically.
I just pre-ordered this on PS4 and I've never even played a FO game. Suck it /v/
>I say it's bad because that's how it fucking looks
every game ever on a board of losers with nothing else to do but not play games because they can;t afford them.
They're children. Children don't understand, fear and hate limitations.
I remember finding out that Diablo has a level cap of 50 and being unable to play further, even though I was nowhere near that (I was 11). Kids are like that. Of course, developers have to trick them into playing enjoyable games instead of actually catering to them, because a 11-13 year old's dream game is quite unplayable.
I still don't think making the map smaller than in some open world games is a bad idea in itself. Look at Gothic 2. The map is pretty damn tiny, but it feels full of content and like a living environment.
Not that I'd except Bethesda to be able to fill a square foot with decent content, but still.
Nope, I have money and often buy games. Also many games are good and those are the ones I buy, but not FO4 because it looks worse than FO3 and I don't want to support See-Those-Mountains
Not true. Moot made 4chan the best game of all time!
>spoonfeeding lazy niggers.
Then why care or post about a game you wont like? It is not in anyway shape or form to ignore games you don't like or plan on playing yet here you are buddy.
Not the guy but did the same, feels good to spend money on things you like. But you wouldn't know that cuz you don't have an income do you?
Working part time at MC D doesn't count
all this fallout posting is mad stupid but im laffin at this
Looking from the gameplay footage we've seen so far, an entire museum being taken up by basically one quest, I don't think there'll be too much content to be honest. Maybe I'll be surprised but Bethesda is prone to disappointing. If you look at the across-the-map-running it looks really empty too. I liked the swamps though, kinda. I am a sucker for spooky swamps if they're done right.
>video deleted with copyright bullshit
WHAT DID I MISS
>Your own backstory, no preset nonsense like FO4
>Your own class based on your skills
>Times 2 for your companion
>Multiple playstyles based on classes
>Multiple ways to approach a quest
>No quest markers so you actually feel like an explorer
And developers have nobody to blame but themselves for the state of the industry and bitter consumer base.
shitty and shady business practices with pre orders and gamestop culture
obviously shift in gear from quality to cut as many corners possible for profit.
game companies run by people who don't know what gamers want [konami]
delusional crack-dependent level mentality from the consumer base ensure these things are here to stay because they will lap up whatever shit is shoveled out to get their next high.
>Name a better RPG
>inb4 you name the best RPG by far that came this year
It's better design to have the size of the map reflect the amount of shit in it than to make a big open space with nothing at all.
The benefit of an open world is wandering around and stumbling across shit, not walking for an hour and a half over stark nothing.
Freedom. It's a stupid sandbox that you can roam around first person. Beth's Fallout games are the answer to that feeling people get when playing shooters with big, open areas like the original Halo's (yeah, crucify me, I said something positive about Halo) that makes them want to just wander about and do lite RPG-like shit.
Fallout 3 had a billion things wrong with it and trashed the Fallout lore. But I still played hundreds of hours of it, just chilling to music and exploring. That's all it's good for, is poking around, finding new locations with hidden goodies, tapes, unmarked quests, ect.
I can't think of another developer that lets the player just gear up and explore an open map at their own pace. Both 3 and Oblivion were great for that mindless, comfy zone-out play.
You realize how many people post on 4chan? it's a fairly accurate representation of the consumer base, so is reddit. This is how people feel, to write it off as jaded is delusional apologetic behavior that's unnecessary unless you have some real stake in proving me wrong which means you're a shill.
It's also a bit egotistical to say we can't enjoy anything, i love city skylines for instance, but i don't apologize to defend anything, especially when it's obvious.
a series of shooters that's technically high-quality ( up until recently ), if fairly by the books in terms of design
But yeah no, the main draw of Fallout and beth games in general is the whole " lose yourself in a big world and do whatever ", basically a less stigmatized version of
>Your own backstory, no preset nonsense like FO4
This is what gets me in games like these. They're always boasting about how customizable and personal everything is but you're always playing as the chosen one and shit.
I wouldn't even care if the story wasn't an epic about fighting dragons or some shit like in Skyrim as long as I felt like it was my own story.
I'm not even talking about Fallout in general. I'm not gonna bother wasting my time after being fooled by Skyrim a few years ago. I'm just so fucking tired of coming here every day to a website full of people that hate everything about video games.
The mountains and stuff actually worked in Skyrim's favour. In lots of points you could see the vistas from far away, which just made the world seem grander than it actually is.
Here you're not really getting that feeling, thanks to much of the land being on mostly same level, with any hill blocking your way.
I dunno, the world just feels very dull to me.
Then the obvious answer is leave. You have two choices: hatebox or drone hugbox. Get thicker skin, plenty of people say positive things about various games and enjoy them here.
Literally nothing about Fallout 4 looks good so theres nothing positive to say about it.
Then stop coming to it? I'd argue you have a bigger problem than 4chan does because you keep involving yourself with something you clearly don't agree with and hate.
Start a fangroup and only praise it then anon, nobody is stopping you, but don't try to stop everyone from disliking it either, they are entitled to their opinions as much as you are.
So is it true that Todd is not allowing any reviews of the game before the game releases?
Do you think there will be backlash from normies after this?
Do you think IGN/Gamespot/Kotaku will revolt and give it the 7/10 it deserves?
Is this the end for Todd?
The review embargo lifts like 7 hours before release if i remember correctly
STOP POSTING THESE VIDEOS I NEED MY BEAUTY SLEEP
>The benefit of an open world is wandering around and stumbling across shit, not walking for an hour and a half over stark nothing.
I do agree that games should have content to fill the world with, but if you pack a small map full of shit, it's going to feel cramped, and world won't feel plausible. There needs to be a sense of distance in the world.
Sure, but wouldn't it be nice to have a story where you don't happen to always turn out to be the world's most inexplicably powerful badass? I want more things about a character who can achieve greatness, but through his own actions instead of being the central cornerstone of an ancient prophecy.
Too bad there ain't much games like that around these days, huh
What if I just like laughing at western game blunders in general
All this talk of Fallout 4 being a piece of shit makes me want to finally get around to NV. I remember something about the dev team getting fucked because they didn't get a high enough metacritic. Can I pirate it guilt free?
Yeah, I guess it's fairly welld handled in the Witcher. I do LIKE the Witcher series, but it's still the thing where you're playing as literally the baddest ass coolguy who ever existed. I'd take that over another goddamned chosen one, though.
It looks like they all rub Vaseline on their faces
you're judging the game solely of how long it takes to move across the map. That criteria has literally never been used by any reputable game critic and basically your a fucking idiot.
>Can I pirate it guilt free?
Yes. You need to download and install so many patches and mods to actually play the game that you'll be angry you pirated the game.
This happened with me when I got the game 3 years ago.
I get that appeal of Minecraft. I'm not a fan of the game but people like this kind of thing. I tend to like this kind of thing.
I'd say many elements of Halo are actually very not by-the-book in terms of many design elements. I always loved it because its (the first one's) outdoor level designs, visual style on the Forerunner structures (clean, geometrical), skyboxes, and sound design were all something else. Its whole visual and audio aesthetic really struck a chord with me that no other game ever has, not even Halo 2 or 3, although I love them. Its enemy, weapon, and environment designs always seemed just right to me, and few other games have managed to look that "right", with the minimalistic yet quality writing style to boot.
I think there will be. There was in 3 and that map wasn't terribly large. You could probably cross it in about 15 minutes or so not counting the dense city portion, but it felt like a chore not using fast travel to beam everywhere. Like walking from Megaton to Tenpenny. Really only like 6 minutes or so, but felt like it took all goddamned day because it's a slog.
With the comment about Bethesda first porting Skyrim to next gen, I'm wondering if they're actually expecting this to not perform as well as previous titles, due to smaller install bases of consoles currently. Bethesda isn't actually seeing the point in putting so much effort to a game that will not sell as much.
You can bet that soon they're going to announce next-gen port of Skyrim, using the improved engine of Fallout 4, probably to gather some more consumer faith after lukewarm reception of FO4.
>call of duty acceptance
People like me aren't shitting on Fallout 4 because it's my fucking job. And although there is definitely some shilling in these threads, saying that Call of Duty always has to be shit is just as droning and meemeeing as it is to excuse Bethesda's shit. And fuck if I wouldn't rather spend my money on the next CoD than Fallout 4, Todd.
It was up for about two hours, but don't worry! Kind anons uploaded it so you can enjoy it here. http://a.uguu.se/nusimz.webm
Yeah, these are leaks. The embargo ends 7 hours before the game is released.
I wonder how well Skyrim will sell on these new consoles, from people merely wanting to have it on their new systems. Skyrim sold more than 20 million fucking copies. If people noticed Bethesda being the devs of it, Fallout 4 will sell like crazy potentially - and if it sucks, Bethesda are going to have to cope with a fuckton of hate. It'll be beautiful.
The problem with Fallout 3 was that world was fucking ugly and dull. You can have large world that fills you with wonder and is not boring if you just design it correctly and make it look nice.
Going back to Skyrim, it handled this really well. Though it has been a while since I played it, so maybe it's just me remembering things fondly.
I like the way that TES does it where I'm just some prisoner, and thus free to choose my own destiny. I could never get over how in Fallout 3 I'm this 17 year old looking for his Dad, who was raised in a Vault. It really limited the freedom of playstyle I felt I had. Always went with science/repair/speech tags but with low CHA because I was raised in a fucking vault and have never met a stranger, but would be literate.
I felt pigeonholed in New Vegas as well, but in NV the game felt designed to facilitate the more set backstory. No matter what kind of Courier you are, that's what you are, and you're after Benny's supple ass. I can get behind that. But in 3 it felt like I should be able to be whatever I want, yet their pre-imposed backstory limited my story.
THE LINK IS REMOVED
WHERE IS THE MIRROR
I WANT TO SEE IF IT'S REALLY A BLUNDER OR NOT
I'd pay for a Fallout 3/New Vegas remastered GOTY edition 2 pack. What could PS4 run those games on relative to PC settings, high? They could increase the frame rate and draw distances, and fix ALL THE GODDAMNED FUCKING BUGS and I'd be happy.
Fuck you bethesda. Fuck uuuuuuuuuuuuu!!!!!
Is it? Why do you think that though?
Fuck off before you trigger my autism.
Not like they'll be a threat considering a Super Mutant takes four hits to kill. I mean, fuck, it's more realistic that they are easy to kill, but the more damage you do the less of a challange it's ever going to be. And this is early game. How is it going to be with actual perks, where a bunch of them seem ridiculously over-the-top OP?
Do you actually think we're shilling for CoD? Not sure what I can say because paranoid people will be paranoid.
>implying anyone here with the intention of buying FO4 will not buy it at release now
Yall fuckin' hypocrites, I'm glad I never had interest in this game after FO3 was so shit.
NV was god tier though.
I'm fucking tired of newfags. Can we ban for posts like these? Anyone who has lurked for longer than a week knows that /v/ isn't a hivemind and the criticisms are usually deserved. It will leave us with people who actually can argue and take in different opinions.
So, you know, not retards.
Late message here but there definitely is an encounter that can trigger around the Super Duper Mart of a live deathclaw. I can't remember if it starts at low health because it spawns with guys already fighting it but it's