To this day I still don't understand the hate for her. You have a rape victim who instead of hiding in a corner crying, she mans up, finds love, takes a proactive effort for said love, fucks with her rapist, kills her rapist and ultimately gets her love. I guess /v/ really doesn't like strong women.
>>315372530 >nothing fucking happens for 2/3 of the story >then the game drops on you a twist you already figured out because Archer is the only person in the universe besides Shirou that uses projection magic >"I'm going to kill you to change fate, even though since in the Grail I exist outside of time and shit won't change for me anyway" >Gil jobbing the 2nd hardest he's ever jobbed >best route
Are you fucking serious? UBW is the Ciel route of Fate, pointless.
>>315373017 >nothing fucking happens for 2/3 of the story
Is this HF? My god man, UBW is widely regarded as having the tightest story with the best pacing as far as narrative goes.
>"I'm going to kill you to change fate, even though since in the Grail I exist outside of time and shit won't change for me anyway"
Yeah, that's kind of the point, anon. Archer was having a mental break down and only wanted to take his frustration out on his past self. At best he'd somehow poof out of existence, at worst, he could prevent his other self from going down the same path by killing him.
Wild card though was him realizing Shirou was actually right.
>>315373017 What exactly is the outcome of the story there? I mean, it’s just… Archer never really gave up on his ideals. He just got tired of being forced to kill people under Alaya’s orders, even if it is “for the greater good.” One would think the obvious answer is that Shirou should just make sure not to make a pact with Alaya, and that’s all he really needs to worry about. But overall, there was so much vaguely philosophical talking that I totally lost track of what they were trying to say. The other two routes mostly manage to avoid this by either not going as deep, or just throwing away the ideals full-stop.
Ciel route had a way better conclusion than Arcueid route. Way better drama and conflict, too. Just shame that there's so much overlap with the route you probably did first that many people get too bored with the similar content to get properly invested in what's different and the heroine.
Most underrated route, and most underrated girl. Praying the remake makes some adjustments to make it less of a slog for readers.
>>315373148 Archer was just fucking around, he knew that due to multiple realities even if he stopped this Shirou there would still be another one making the same choices somewhere else. He was really just desperate to get out of the grail and stop being a counter guardian. Also no, the whole point is that Shirou isn't right, his ideals are simply not compatible with reality and it doesn't matter how strong he gets, and how much he's willing to sacrifice alone, there will be one day when he finds himself on a situation he can't handle and that day he'll break, Archer just recalled how beautiful his past self's convictions were, he still didn't think Shirou was "right".
No, no he wasn't. He wanted to take his anger out on Shirou, and in the very least, prevent another murderer like himself from coming into the world.
>He was really just desperate to get out of the grail and stop being a counter guardian.
This is true, and he had slim hopes that killing Shirou would change something, but he knew deep down it wouldn't. He just wanted to crush Shirou.
>Also no, the whole point is that Shirou isn't right, his ideals are simply not compatible with reality and it doesn't matter how strong he gets, and how much he's willing to sacrifice alone, there will be one day when he finds himself on a situation he can't handle and that day he'll break,
Archer presents all the potential people he'll let down and even kill on his path to becoming a hero, and, unlike how he expected, Shirou didn't back down. Shirou knows he can't save everyone, but he will do his best, because he knows what he's aiming for isn't wrong.
Archer comes to realize it isn't wrong either, that's what his monologue at the end is about. He admits his ideal was right.
Seriously, I can't possibly understand how anyone can come out of UBW thinking Shirou was wrong, when the defining phrase of the route is "It's not a mistake".
>>315373325 The problem with Ciel is that, without playing her route, all you get is an extremely biased perspective on her (considering she detests Arc and considers you fair game at times if you help her). On the flipside, her route covers most of what Arc's already does (the concept of vampirism and unnatural beings, the main players in the story, etc), so it feels old hat after playing Arc's.
She's really a doomed character. Unless one plays her route first (unlikely), she usually leaves a bad taste in epople's mouths.
UBW was just your generic shonen shit, even had ANAL with worst girl. HF was better in every single way, and it did a great job of showing shit was getting real even though not much was going on. I feel genuinely bad for every faggot that saw Fate/Zero before experiencing HF, it just fucks up so many cool twists.
>>315373148 I don't think it was that he realized that he was right, but that Shirou was deeply convinced in his heroic ideal, probably moreso after having Archer antagonize him over it.
>Seriously, I can't possibly understand how anyone can come out of UBW thinking Shirou was wrong, when the defining phrase of the route is "It's not a mistake". Because Heaven's Feel is basically him confronted that he can't save everyone.With Sakura, he has something more than an ideal to defend and something he was willing to sacrifice everything/one else for.
I don't think even Archer ever got to realise how much Shirou meant to her.
THANK YOU. I swear, no one ever points this shit out. Though honestly it applies to most of Nasu's works in general, just moreso with UBW. I'm sorry, but the shit they're saying isn't meaningful, especially when it all boils down to "I'm right if I beat you."
Especially considering everything Shirou embodies is just mamoru, the same ideal used by the majority of shonen heroes. No, I'm not going in the opposite direction and saying Shirou should be edgy. I'm just saying be something less generic.
>>315374370 >I don't think it was that he realized that he was right
He admits that it was not a mistake.
You seem to be painting this narrative that Shirou is somehow in denial of things, when it's really very much the opposite. HF wasn't the first route that said Shiou couldn't save everyone, UBW outright spoke it, and Shirou's response was that he was fine with that. He would do his best, even in the face of killing others.
I mean that's what Archer showed him. A future where he kills, and kills, and ultimately fails in upholding his ideal of saving everyone, but that doesn't matter, because he will.
Also the story of FSN is not linear. HF isn't a final or definitive answer, it's simply another option. UBW's answer is wholly valid.
Zero is a fun ride even though /a/ hates it because of muh secondaries. Extra is okay/10 but you can pretty safely skip it if you're not that interested. Apparently Hollow Ataraxia is good but I still haven't gotten around to it.
>>315374641 HF seemed the only point where he's actually tested on that though. He's fine with the concept of killing others to save the majority until he actually gets to the point of killing someone he cares about to do it. UBW Archer never seems to come across that and it's just the nature and cycle of killing that gets to him rather than any particular death.
>>315374663 Hollow/Ataraxia adds more characters and a few more explanations for things. There's always a a reason to watch Carnival Phantasm.
>>315374775 >Shirou didn't win the Archer fight through force
Except he did, because he used force to show he has the strength to enforce his ideal.
>Wanting to help others isn't wrong, and Shirou is willing to embrace that path, even if it means destroying his own humanity,
Again, the problem isn't his ideal, the problem is it's UTTERLY GENERIC. I don't know how old you are, but I'm near 40 now, and I've gone through characters like this since before you were born, too many of them to count. And you know what, a lot of them in the old days were more interesting characters. Kabuto Kouji believed in protecting everyone, but he was also an asshole that treated his girlfriend like crap basically just because it was the 70s and you could do that (and she was anime's first tsundere).
Shirou brings nothing new or interesting to the table. He's the same character I've seen a hundred times with nothing new to him.
>>315375018 >HF seemed the only point where he's actually tested on that though
That would be true if the Gil fight didn't happen. The Gil fight is Shirou's point of taking action instead of just speaking. He saves the city, and he is willing to kill to do it. I mean he did this to Gil. He was going to kill him.
It's true that Shirou was presented a specific instance where he had to choose between a loved one and others, but we know just about everything we need to know about him. He will do his best to save people, but he knows there will be times when he needs to be all business.
>>315374775 There's no good reason for him to be broken, it's just forced and completely stupid. Nasu always tries to make a character seem "deep" but fails. You can't just defend a character by saying "he's supposed to be like that." Because you can say that about literally any character, every character is good then, because they're supposed to be what they are. Shirou's tragic past isn't even tragic, he has no reason for constant monologues because he's not really a fake, his motivation doesn't make sense in any context. Shirou is shit, just because he's supposed to be shit doesn't make him less shit. He's not a deconstruction of a hero just because he repeatedly talks about justice. He doesn't actually say anything interesting, anything that provokes thought. He's a shallow tryhard character with no real substance. And he's just boring as hell. A moralfag that is supposed to be an "underdog" when he has a harem, plot armor, counter to the strongest enemy, and friends that can give him a new body when he dies. How idiotic do you have to be to pretend to like the writing in this VN just because you think the heroines are attractive?
>>315375226 >Except he did, because he used force to show he has the strength to enforce his ideal.
Except for the fact that Archer could have killed him countless times over. The entire fight was structured on him trying to break his past self's will, and Archer's continued frustration at the fact that no matter what, Shirou didn't back down. It reached the point of where Archer himself started to wonder if Shirou was on to something, and eventually he realized Shirou was in fact right.
>Shirou brings nothing new or interesting to the table. He's the same character I've seen a hundred times with nothing new to him.
People still readily talk about Shirou 10 years later my friend. He's interesting because there are nuances to him that some people just don't get. He comes off as fairly generic at the start, he is explored in depth, and outright had multiple varying character arcs depending on the route.
>>315375359 >There's no good reason for him to be broken
He was one of the sole survivors of a catastrophe that killed hundreds of people, including his own family, and was never given any sort of psychological help regarding it. How exactly is that not a good reason to have issues?
And while you have the right to as many opinions as you like, saying he has plot armor is a little ridiculous when there are 41 endings where he dies.
>>315375658 He made Gilgamesh his bitch, which was probably the strongest character in the VN. Because he was written to counter his powers. Everything always goes well in the end for him, the drama that comes beforehand mean nothing because of the predictable plot armor. I know there's one ending where he "dies" but of course he gets a new body anyway. Low mana boo hoo I have a harem boo hoo doesn't matter when everything conveniently goes my way and I can defeat characters I shouldn't be able too.
>>315375773 >Everything always goes well in the end for him
Except for the one main ending where he dies, and stays dead (HF Normal), and the other main ending where he outright admits that he may be walking a path that leads to death and suffering. That again is ignoring the 40 other endings where he just dies or something terrible happens to him.
>He made Gilgamesh his bitch
The Shadow made Gilgamesh his bitch, and much easier than Shirou, but you don't seem to bring that up. Shirou winning against Gil was very circumstantial, and was extremely thematically important as far as the narrative went.
>I have a harem
Shirou never really has a harem in the VN. He generally sticks with one girl and that's it. Even UBW Good has him firmly in a relationship with Rin, with Nasu himself relegating Saber to a mother-like figure.
>>315376060 He was written specifically to counter the strongest servant, negating any kind of tension. I don't know why you defend shitty writing just because of generic waifus that aren't even great.
My big problem with it is that it's a pretty cool concept that's completely squandered by its execution.
An international mage competition where a bunch of wizards from different magic traditions come from all over the world to plot and scheme and murder each other with mythological servants? Well, that sounds really cool and fun, but then you get to the actual thing and no one is really interesting at all. I mean in Fate/Stay Night half of the contestants all go to the same fucking school. Like they were just kind of there anyway. Zero at least kind of makes an attempt, but still turns out kind of bland.
I think that part of the problem is that the stories tend to focus more on the servants, when the masters are the more interesting part.
>>315376241 The Gil fight was a thematic response to the answer Shirou gave Archer, which was that he was going to follow the path of becoming a hero. The narrative presented him the King of Heroes, and told him to beat him.
There's a lot going on underneath there. It's the climax of the theme of "imitation" throughout the route, with Shirou, the imitation, who has an imitation ideal, with imitation powers, and an imitation hero, going up against Gilgamesh, the original. He's the original hero, with the original weapons, and a goal of wanting to kill everyone, as opposed to Shirou wanting to save everyone.
By beating Gilgamesh, Shirou shows he has what it takes to follow through with his path, and prove that an imitation can surpass an original.
>>315376241 >He was written specifically to counter the strongest servant That's how themes work, yes. Gil is the King of Heroes, Shirou is the imitation hero. To prove the worth of his ideal, he surpasses the original.
It's consistent with the in universe rules and foreshadowed several times. Get your head out of your ass and pay attention next time
>>315375453 >People still readily talk about Shirou 10 years later my friend.
That doesn't mean he's good, it means the people talk about the character. This isn't Eye Wide Shut where to this day people go "what the fuck was that movie about?"
>He's interesting because there are nuances to him that some people just don't get. He comes off as fairly generic at the start, he is explored in depth, and outright had multiple varying character arcs depending on the route.
Are you fucking kidding me? Are you really pulling what's basically a 2deep4u?
How much stuff have you read/seen, and I mean seriously. Takaya Aiba is a good example of how to put a twist on a mamoru character, and he has a better arc of how he develops despite in some ways his ideals coming close to UBW Shirou's. He like Shirou loses everything, and to twist the knife further his former friends and family are now the generals of the enemy thanks to mind-controlling bugs. Like Shirou, his powers are destructive to his body (and after his midseason powerup, instead makes him lose memories every time he transforms) and severely shorten his lifespan. And his main villainous rival is his brother who wears red and uses two swords and hates Takaya because his existence sickens him (and because the bugs enhance his jealousy).
How does he differ from Shirou? Because instead of being a generic nice person who upholds the ol' "zettai ni mamoru", he's standoffish, violent, brooding, and for half of the series pushes everyone away from him because he's fighting a bug war by himself and thinks they'll just get hurt near him. That may seem cliche now, but it wasn't in 1993, half a decade before those character types got popular. Yet despite that, he never gives up trying to protect the people he pushes away, even though by the end he loses so much. See that's what I mean, he did something NEW with the archetype.
But more importantly, you should watch the show www.youtube.com/watch?v=pmX564UTabE
>>315376441 Being inspired by someone doesn't make you a fake or a hypocrite. It happens all the time in the real world. There's nothing wrong with it, and there's definitely no reason to monologue the same shit for hours hoping repetition makes it more meaningful. (It doesn't) Copying someone's dream doesn't make you a bad person if the dream is good. Shirou's long ramblings about justice are kinda laughable when you realize he's just saying " I'm a good guy who wants to do good things. I'm a fake because I was inspired by Kiritsugu. I need to be melodramatic because of my inner struggle which itself doesn't make sense."
He's not a faker because of "trace on" either. Using someone's weapon doesn't really make him a fake, unless he's really claiming to be the original wielder. If I picked up Kiritsugu's gun, it doesn't mean I'm trying to be him. If I went around pretending to actually be Kiritsugu, only THEN can I be considered a fake. Borrowing someone's weapon for a while doesn't really make him a fake either. The whole "boo hoo I'm a fake, I'm a hypocrite" is just chuuni nonsense to try and give the character some substance. Maybe to hide the fact that he's a bland shounen hero, Nasu tried to portray him as the biggest underdog. Despite the fact that he has literal plot armor, and his UBW is the specific counter to the strongest servant's powers.
>>315375453 >People still readily talk about Shirou 10 years later my friend.
Pseudo-intellectuals still interpret Fate as some literary masterpiece for some reason. Shirou's inner struggle is poorly written and makes no sense in itself. It's just unnecessary melodrama for the sake of melodrama.
>>315376512 >This isn't Eye Wide Shut where to this day people go "what the fuck was that movie about?"
It's funny you say this, but people to this day still readily misunderstand Shirou, particularly the part with his fight against Archer. I'm not saying it's deep, but there's something there.
And listen dude, you can have all the opinions you want, but it's true that some people miss some stuff regarding his character. You see it in this thread, and you see it in plenty of other threads. There is a bit more to him than what's on the surface level.
I mean he literally does have multiple character arcs, unless you somehow think UBW and HF are the same.
Shirou has complete disregard to societal rules or even sense of morality. His "morality" is only governed by his ideal - "making people feel good would make me feel happy so making them feel bad is wrong". Did you even read the "bye, Shinji" ending, or are you just shitposting to shill your shounen shit?
>>315376539 >Copying someone's dream doesn't make you a bad person if the dream is good
Yeah, and that's the answer Shirou receives. The rub comes in the fact that he's presented with a future that's full of suffering and failure, and his response to that is that it's still worth it.
The struggle lies not in him coming to understand his ideal, he knew it from the beginning, but from him going to comprehend the weight of all it means.
>"boo hoo I'm a fake, I'm a hypocrite"
I don't remember Shirou moaning on about him being a fake at all, I remember other people moaning on about him being a fake, and him responding by holding on to his ideal, and then coming to realize being a fake isn't wrong.
>>315376930 Authors like Nasu, Nisio and Maeda write primarily for an endemic audience. They couldn't quite cut it as real authors of compelling literature so instead, rely on audiences that are amazed by simple prose, mediocre themes and and unimaginative settings. These authors also pad their stories with useless females and get artists of considerable skill to draw them in the most appealing of ways, otherwise no one would recognize these girls as characters of a story.
>>315376539 There is a difference between being "inspired" by someone and literally living for the sole purpose of fulfilling their ideal.
>Despite the fact that he has literal plot armor, and his UBW is the specific counter to the strongest servant's powers. You aren't even processing what anybody is saying. Stop repeating the same arguments.
>>315376930 I personally just can't take the VN seriously because of the harem and moe parts and too many children who want to be strong. I always considered as shounen/harem mix. I don't like genre mixes in general to be honest. I don't want to see comedy when I watch something serious. It detroys the atmosphere for me. Comedy is for parodies like CP.
Look at this thread. 90% here are defending a moe harem hentai VN with stuffed lions, cute lolis and blushing King Arthurs who suck cocks of school kids after knowing them for a few days.
>It isn't a harem
Which is why it has routes in which you have sex with the chosen girl and which is why Shirou has a bunch of girls around him who even partially live in the same house and which is why they had to genderbend male characters to make them fit the harem
Too many children already. Lolis make it worse. Sad but I can't insert into kids or atleast not anymore and I don't find them cute.
>People will suck your cock after only knowing them for a few hours and a few minutes.
Many people yes. And this is actually a bad thing and has nothing to do with romance or friendship which the VN pretended to show.
>>315373790 I think the moral dilemma's presented in the Fate franchise are rather poorly written. Kiritsugu showed an almost completely inability to use critical thinking. His thinking basically came down to kill one spare the other. Of course, given time limitations and dire circumstances, people don't always get to think things as through, and there are situations in which hard choices have to be made, even if they'd seem unfair and even evil to some. However, from what we saw, Kiritsugu was rarely shown in those type of situations and yet he always showed an extremely narrow-outlook of things.
Shirou is the same. In Fate and UBW he barely had to go through situations in which his resolve was actually tested through actions. At worse he had to let those nearly-dead-kids at the Chapel's basement, but other than that you don't see much real development on the path of justice. Even in HF Shirou was still far too bland, as there weren't many real dilemmas here, since Sakura was a victim.
I think the ideal of justice is something great and worth commending, but the way it is presented in the Fate franchise seems very half-assed.
>>315377085 >personally just can't take the VN seriously because of the harem It isn't a harem. >too many children who want to be strong? What? Also, F/SN is about how ideals we internalize as children play out in the real world. >I always considered as shounen/harem mix. It's a seinen. The current manga adaptation is serialized in a seinen magazine. There is no harem.
>Which is why it has routes in which you have sex with the chosen girl and which is why Shirou has a bunch of girls around him who even partially live in the same house and which is why they had to genderbend male characters to make them fit the harem Illya is his fucking sister, Taiga is his guardian. It's not a harem when there is romance with a single girl per route.
>>315376747 >It's funny you say this, but people to this day still readily misunderstand Shirou, particularly the part with his fight against Archer. I'm not saying it's deep, but there's something there.
There's a difference. People misunderstand Shirou because they're idiots. People misunderstand Eyes Wide Shut because the half the movie is dream sequences and symbolism.
>There is a bit more to him than what's on the surface level.
Yes, and what's there isn't particularly interesting, and certainly not innovative.
>>315376834 >Shirou has complete disregard to societal rules or even sense of morality.
Except he doesn't. Shirou's problem (in 2 routes anyway) is that he takes the Japanese ideal of 一体感 to an extreme, becoming pure selflessness in pursuit of a greater good. Essentially a humanistic form of utilitarianism, which funnily is what his father believed in on the extreme logical end and was shown to be wrong.
>or are you just shitposting to shill your shounen shit
Except Tekkaman Blade isn't a shonen anime at all, it's a mecha anime.
>>315377384 >People misunderstand Shirou because they're idiots.
Well you certainly seem very confident that lots of other people are stupider than you. Listen pal, I'm not saying it's super deep, but if you can't understand something fully without a little extra help, there's probably more than nothing there.
>Yes, and what's there isn't particularly interesting, and certainly not innovative.
And hey man, if you don't like it, you don't like. By all means, no one's forcing you.
>>315377384 >Except he doesn't. Shirou's problem (in 2 routes anyway) is that he takes the Japanese ideal of At the very beginning of the VN he admits that he WANTS people to be in danger so there exists something for him to save others from.
He is not driven by morality or conscience. The clear parallels with Kirei only reinforces this.
>>315377818 Can you not understand that people were itching to make a meme with that more than anything? It wasn't that people didn't understand, it was just they wanted another "people die when they are killed".
People actually do misunderstand shit all the time with FSN though, and frankly that shouldn't seem like a shocker, considering it's longer than the entirety of the Lord of the Rings + The Hobbit.
>>315377983 >People actually do misunderstand shit all the time with FSN I'll never understand how when literally every character gets at least one monologue completely explaining who they are, what they're doing and why they want to do it.
>>315378228 >Can you back up that claim with any proof? A dissertation of the essential nature of heroic ideals; pragmatism and selfless actions for selfish reasons. Emotions and logic. Facades in society. Consequences of our actions. Regret. Nihilism. Meaning of existence and sense of self. Meaning of choice. Perception of people. Perspectives on good/evil. Consent and fate. Societal values and morality. And a shitload of other things.
>>315372197 Kek, Sakura is hated for being a "whore" Literally everyone else no matter their gender in this VN is a whore She's hated for being a "doormat" in some routes, that's because of those fucking worms
Uno – Among your works, even if we put side the issue of sexuality, it seems “Fate/Zero” is a turning point. Of the works before it, “Saya no Uta” is a good representative, where we can see a composition in which catharsis is obtained by means by giving priority to personal emotion over social mores when both are present. On the other hand, after “Fate/Zero”, the style is shifted to a direction in which the strength of the story was pulled up and tension was raised by continuously taking in concepts of morals and social responsibilities. The depiction of Kiritsugu Emiya in “Fate/Zero” is typical of this. [symbv: Kiritsugu Emya is the protagonist and master of Saber in “Fate/Zero”]
Urobuchi – I wrote it in the afterword of “Fate/Zero” too. It was the time when I got so troubled by the fact that as much as I wanted to write a heartwarming story, somewhere in me just could not believe in legitimate happiness but I had to move the work to a happy end, and I almost wanted to hang up my pen. From very beginning, to opt for the individual instead of the world, to affirm his own desire and ambition is to me an absoulte bad-end. If the world should be destroyed then there was no salvation whatsoever left. I think in the past I just picked the escape route by landing the story in way that is a bad-end in a macro perspective but a happy-end from the individual's point of view. However, “Fate/Zero” is a story that had the individuals fallen into misfortune but got the world saved. Perhaps this became the turning point like you said and finally I could write my happy-end. After that, be it “Eisen Fluegel” or “Madoka”, I approached to write works in which the protagonist may face ruin and destruction but to the world it holds a good ending.
>>315379607 Kondo: I worked with TYPE-MOON on the Garden of sinners, and while that definitely led to Fate/Zero, it was a piece that was beyond that. The two of us, along with Mr. Takeuchi and Mr. Nasu, as well as Aniplex producer Atsuhiro Iwakami, tried to make something even better as a team. Maybe you call it a piece that we arrived at by building on those expectations. That said, at the time to make an anime of Fate/stay night was the furthest thing from my mind.
Miura: When we were making the opening cinematic for Réalta, we were working concurrently on the Fate/Zero anime, so my only impression is that we were busy.
>>315380074 Meteor clearly had a positive influence on Nasu (in the atogaki of the first volume of Fire Girl Nasu mentions that Meteor pretty much caused him to totally rethink the way he writes - I buy it, personally) and the simple fact that Mahoyo isn't ridiculously bloated and filled with exposition like Fate goes a long way toward making it more pleasant to read.
>>315376578 Doesn't Rin cry like a dumb bitch in the last dead end, begging for mercy and death when Sakura showed more grit as a ten year old? Showing she's just trying to set Sakura off in the actual ending?
>They wanted to do a new Melty Blood (tentatively Melty Blood HD) but they need to find a way to continue the story first. At the time, TYPE-MOON's Kinoko Nasu (author) was busy with Mahou Tsukai no Yoru, so the project is postponed. >However, UNI is completely new project. It's not based on Melty Blood HD prototype. >They fear that UNI won't sell because it's an original work (not based on any popular work). They had a bad experience before when they did self-published stuff (doujin). >They took a challenge by making it an arcade game instead of a doujin game. One of the reasons is there's no real brand new fighting game at the moment. >UNI is distributed through Sega's ALL.Net P-ras MULTI. (A network that distributes arcade games to game centers, same with Taito's NESiCAxLive and Konami's e-AMUSEMENT Participation. The shops take no risk of losing money on buying dedicated cabinets each game, but they share income with the network owners.) >The first idea in the development of UNI is "something different from Melty Blood." This's why it has no aerial combo like MB. >They said MB has "launch, aerial, then air throw" impression. >They feel relieved after getting good feedbacks from players, especially about characters and world setting. >UNI is about ground game so they were worried about Hilda which is (as they said) the only projectile-dependent character in the game. (Boss character Hilda was unlocked as playable on November 2.) >They said Vatista (also has long-range projectiles) is different from Hilda. Vatista is wait-and-see character. >Eltnum is actually a modified test character from "Melty Blood HD." They had some time after the early stage of development and they wanted to add one more character but they didn't have enough time to make a complete new character. They had permission from TYPE-MOON. >Narita personally wants to distribute [UNI PC version] on Steam.
>>315373312 Fate is basically an intro. It shows how arthur her thoughts and shirou his thoughts are the same. And even though they want to sacrifice themselves they hate it if they see someone else try the same. Showing how hypocritical they are.
In UBW shirou goes all the way in his believes. He runs into himself and then accepts that while he cant save everyone, it is still a beautiful ideal and it is at least worth pursuing to some extend.
In HF they show what happens if the one you cant save is more important than the others. (robber/bank idea but then the robber is sakura nad the bank is the other people) and shows shirou giving it up.
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