>create an awful, embarrassing character design, purely and specifically to pander to the tumblr audience
>SJWs still hate the cast and the game
Why do western game devs think trying to appeal to people who hate games and don't even play them is a good idea? Lab Zero is going to die in a little over a week because of this. Do none of them have any business sense at all? Is this a passing madness?
Pink hair, female features on a male body (women bodybuilders don't get that kind of mass without taking, which makes no fucking sense for a combatant as that mass just gets in the way)
All in all nothing wrong with it in particular especially in-theme but she gets attributed a gender that's always going to be less efficient at the role she fills than a male counterpart and for no reason other than to be inclusive.
Burly women are devil's work again, didn't you know?
I swear, people on both sides of the fence get so fucking triggered because of the stupidest shit. Stop being so offended by little shit and reading it into some conspiracy concocted by the patriarchy/SJW overlords you idiots.
The only character that's even remotely sexualitzed is a fucking man. What the fuck are these people even smoking?
>But they're wearing slutty and revealing clothes!
It's sad that women today are terrified of the very idea that other people are comfortable with their own bodies and don't mind showing it.
No wait, it's only okay if someone who is diseased or disformed by obesity that it's okay. "YOU GO GIRL!!"
>it's only okay
>that it's okay
Eh you know what I mean I guess.
Does anyone have the fix with blonde hair?
It's very likely that there will be skins like in HOTS for Overwatch, so at least one of those will make her look pretty fuckable I imagine.
Hold up, what is wrong with Zarya anyway? Is it her looks? Because she's honestly not that bad. So what if she's a pander character?
I mean, if a girl with the build and looks of Zarya was hitting on you and generally acting like a nice girl, would you not hit that?
I mean, I thought the consensus that personality and 6/10 looks > 9/10 with a bitch personality.
I really don't have a problem with women in tanky roles being more bulky or muscular. Even the hair isn't that big of a problem for me.
If they start covering up the grils that travel light like widowmaker I'll be pissed but there's really no evidence they're going to do that.
Personally I like her well enough, but there's no denying she's there to pander, which is also honestly fine with me.
The issue to me is that the people she's meant to pander to, are still demanding more shit to pander to them.
It would be like Street Fighter adding a loli to appeal to
retards, and then they demanded more and more loli, because one simply isn't good enough.
So you're saying that it's a bad thing that the female body is portrayed poorly in a video game? Gee.
Congratulations, you don't understand visual game design at all.
She has pink hair so she can be instantly spotted and differentiated by players. She has a huge upper body because in a cartoon style you need to exaggerate things to communicate character traits properly to the player.
Stop being so triggered.
The thing about SJWs is that they don't play videogames, they just complain about them while waitin for their hotpockets to heat up.
This, however, creates the illusion that they play videogames and that they're a viable market to sell to and create profits. Gullible game devs in response try to pander to them so that they can increase their consumer-base thinking they can also retain their original consumers.
The response however, is that they end up alienating the people who originally played their games and are praised online by SJWs who will never spend a dollar on videogames outside of kiddie shit and Iphones.
I don't understand why sjws are trying to kill "sexy" (I mean we all know why but wtf)
The most confident and powerful women I've noticed are the ones who embrace their sexuality but don't let themselves be defined by it.
I don't understand the notion of tough woman = lesbian or vice versa.
>Having fit, attractive male characters in games is okay
>Having fit, attractive female characters in games is sexualization
Fuck off, Sarkeesian, and go back to being McIntosh's cum dumpster.
"Sir seems like this whole feminism thing is pretty hot on the Internets right now its all over the Reddit and tumblr things."
"Hmm. Here's what we'll do. Take the Heavy rip-off and throw some tits on it. Maybe some pink hair and a nose piercing? Nah just the pink hair. No one will play it because women don't play video game but later on we can add some DLC skins that make it not look revolting. That way it's a win-win for us."
"Brilliant sir. Let's go snort some blow and hire some 5k a night call girls."
It's funny because Anita even as a SJW is pretty fucking fringe out there for a lot of people. Only reason she has anywhere near as much importance as she does is because everyone keeps fucking with her and making her a victim so that everyone rushes to defend her and prop her up onto a pedestal even if they don't like any of the shit she says.
Zarya not getting played probably has less to do with design and more to do with how underwhelming she is as a playable character. All the other tanks do exciting shit and Zarya doesn't do anything.
I don't know what the problem is, looks like and normal eastern european woman to me
The problem is that SJWs are technically a minority, but a vocal majority due of their aggressive tendencies in matters they're not the demographic of.
If you play a sexy, alluring and powerful woman in videogames, you feel empowered and that's a fact. Every other normal woman will prefer this and I assume for men it's the same. They want to play that badass, muscle packing, buff guy who can swing a 100 lbs sword with one hand.
Those characters look "sexualized", because it's exactly what the player wants. Not because sex sells, but because they project their own longings into it and like the character. The same reason why there are people who get a hard on for OP's character, they just like the character itself and all the features, such as the short hair and her being a chub. In which case from their perspective it's also a sexualized character.
But who the fuck actually wants to play an ugly duckling? So I can self-insert my own shortcommings in life and relate to that? Fuck no.
>The problem is that SJWs are technically a minority, but a vocal majority due of their aggressive tendencies in matters they're not the demographic of.
So they're like furries?
>some random image with no source posted to an anonymous image board is proof of my claim
Furries usually know that they're not socially accepted and keep to themselves instead of advocating their cause with violence. At this point I hate third wave fake feminism more than furries.
>Sarkeesian's opinions are now considered important
What happened to the Blizzard that walked out of the interview when that militant leftist from RPS started making statements on his political views instead of asking questions?
Why do you think that SJWs all share one opinion? Especially in regards to video games? Most of us are more concerned with actual issues, and are thereby free to like Overwatch and its one Tumblr character, because we don't actually give that much of a shit about video game representation. Zarya is a "oh that's nice, they included something unusual that /v/ hates and we like" moment, not a "fuck yes the patriarchy is defeated, suck it gamer gate!" moment.
>for absolutely no reasoning besides pandering
I fucking hate this shit. I thought the whole point was that artists should be able to make whatever the fuck they want. That's what we say when people say to stop making sexist/racist/problematic/whateverfuckinggaybuzzword shit. But because you don't agree with it, it's pandering.
Shut up shttttt
I never get this shit, man. "This character panders to [x]". Shut the fuck up. A majority of characters pander to people on /v/. Literally nothing wrong with that.
Not every character needs to be designed with /v/ in mind as the target audience.
Thing is, that sort of thinking with regards to design just isn't as prevalent these days. Back in the old days it was a necessity, because of the limitations you were working with. But as graphics improved, developers started getting lazy and didn't really think out their designs. he push toward realism also scaled a lot of that back.
What if a female character is both buff and sexualized?
No, the character has pink hair and boob plate(even though the people they are appealing too with this beyond generic character HATE boob plate) so they instantly tell it's female.
Ditch boob plate and give her monotone hair and it just looks like every girl faced swole male in every video game on the planet.
Put muscles on a chick and give them masculine dress and attitude and it's fiarly impossible to tell because shameless anime inspired pandering and queer media has basically ruined the ability to create heteronormative and simple characters that fall outside of the norm without having to appeal to either pervs or closet pervs who claim to have some mythical higher ground.
>pink hair for no reason
what fucking reason exists for dying your hair? If they added a stupid throwaway line about how all women in her country have pink hair, would you like it then?
>blizzard made her hair pink so all triggered neckbeards would buy a skin where she has a natural hair color
Felicia used to be pretty buff. They changed that from around 1997 onward,, though.
You seem to to be laboring under a false impression.
That character IS sexualized. It's just they're sexualized for an audience that is not the majority het male audience.
The people that care enough about that character to want to change their hair won't actually BUY the game.
Nah. She'd just look like the awful 80's butch dyke russian bitch stereotype.
Honestly, I'm glad we had the SJW uprising. Devs are too afraid to make big tittied blondes anymore, so now we're getting delicious brown girls with thick thighs and wide hips. I say bring it on.
Someone post that pic of her with Blonde Hair instead of Pink.
Looks almost like a grade A+ Waifu with it. God damn DEVs shoving diversity on us
It's alright, I'll give her a go for you.
Yeah, but it will be another few years before that news cycles back around to Devs, and by then I'll have enough Overwatches and Indivisibles under my belt to keep me comfortable for years to come. Either way, I win.
what is rosie the riveter
same pose at least
>while all but one of the female characters are sexualized.
Could someone explain to me, what "sexualized" means exactly?
Because something sexualized I would just naturally assume is something made out to be sexy. But something sexy is ultimately just something that is attractive. Which would mean that something sexualized is really just something showing off attractive traits. Meaning that something sexualized is something attractive.
So when is a character being sexualized ever really a bad thing? Unless your aim was to make an intentionally plain or ugly character that is.
In the mind of a feminist means:
>young and in-shape
When will these pink-haired landwhales learn that nobody finds being a huge fat ass is attractive in any way?
Well for guys it means they run around with their johnson flopping around inside a tube sock taped to their crotch.
For women it means more than 18 square inches of skin is visible and they aren't fat.
>So when is a character being sexualized ever really a bad thing.
It's not a bad thing. People are stupid and actually think titilating fictional content is a serious social problem.
>Stop talking about social justice bullshit
>Stop giving it a stage
>Give money to developers that actualy produce good stuff and don't pander to SJW's. For example Witcher 3.
>for guys it means they run around with their johnson flopping around inside a tube sock taped to their crotch
But most women find that more degrading or just comical, more than sexy or attractive.
Which is why it's almost non-existant in porn for women by women.
Ok, I honestly have no fucking clue what they mean by "sexualized". I never once thought this about Overwatch's female characters while watching videos or streams about it.
Do sjw's think they're sexualized literally just because they're not fat and ugly?
I dunno, maybe ragging on the pink hair is really superficial, but I mean fuck it. It's terrible.
You wouldn't take a male character with those fucking weird conor mcgregor man-bun hairstyles seriously. Unless it was a period thing.
>What makes her SJW?
The sanctimonious explanation for her placement within the game.
It's not just pandering, it's politically motivated pandering. Pandering to a group that constantly complains about violence and competitive themes in video games, no less.
So that means that attractive men ages 16-28 with exposed chests and thick arms are sexualized males?
Because thats what most men want to BE regardless of the proximity of women.
Does this mean it's just a power fantasy? Does this mean men cannot be sexualized? Are we immune? Are we better than women at literally everything including avoiding being sexualized?
Well in fairness, there's probably no good reason for this, then again as far as I know it might not actually be in the game.
Also I can't find the not-postage stamp sized version
>tfw you spend $60 at launch
>tfw Overwatch wildly successful
I hope you all do this, remember to vote with your wallets
This character is sexy, not "over-sexualised"
And there's literally nothing wrong with being sexy
Stop being a Chromatist...
Freedom of color won't be cowed by your insidious need to oppress others.
Saying that a character is "sexualized" is the tumblr equivalent of some girl calling another girl a skank. They're pissy about a girl (who are likely more attractive than them) is receiving attention while they don't.
For example: that polygon article about "unsexualized video game characters" was simply a collection of girls photoshopped to look fat and have smaller tits. It's nothing more than a cry for attention.
SHUT THE FUCK UP. YOU KNOW NOTHING OF GESTURE AND VOLUME. YOU DO NOT RELY ON COLOR THEORY TO STAND OUT. ESPECIALLY IN SCULPTING/MODELING.
YOU RELY ON VOLUME, SPACE, AND SILHOUETTES.
10/10 IM PISSED
Everyone wants to be sexualized, seen as sexy.
Have you ever noticed that almost exclusively the hardcore third wave feminists are all butt fucking ugly?
They have come to the conclusion that there is no chance that they will be perceived as sexy by men, so they try and change the game, make men feel guilty about perceiving other women as sexy.
That is why they are so opposed to imagery of attractive women, in their mind they would love nothing more than to be that attractive female. But because they know they won't be they try to object against it.
It's kind of childish really, it's like a kid saying, if I can't play with that toy nobody can.
Women's asses don't do that, Dobson.
Wait. People gave the devs shit for not having a bunch of brown folk in a time and region where practically none such people existed?
I mean fuck. Just turn back time 20 years or something and it would already be increasingly hard to find any brown skinned folks in places like say, Scandinavia.
Just a few generations ago you could graduate high school or even live out the first 20 years of your without even seeing one in the flesh. If you even got to see one at all. And that's still in the age of airplanes and cars.
Go back to medieval times and people lived their entire lives without ever seeing a person of brown skin. And people are upset that they aren't in medieval games?
That's like throwing a hissyfit about a game set in old Africa being nothing but. It's ridiculous.
>Does this mean it's just a power fantasy? Does this mean men cannot be sexualized? Are we immune?
Of course. When an attractive and capable man appears in media, he's a male power fantasy.
When an attractive and capable woman appears in media, she's sexualized to appeal to males.
No. She has pink hair and boob plate to identify her as womayn. If she had a shaved head and flat chest armor with huge muscles literally no one could tell the difference between her and a male designed in a simmilar costume.
They want to pander as much they can and the audience that they are pandering too specifically wants a strong womyn to identify with. Having it look too much like a male would trigger them. "Are you trying to say big strong women cant be feminine and beautiful?!?"
Why is she just a shitty version of Sully from FEA.
Sully wasn't even that good.
>create an ideal fantasy world
>no brown people
>white guilt apologists bitch about it
>laugh in their faces
>keep raking in dosh
>varied bodytypes for males
I wonder how she'd react if females were obese and gross like Roadhog or dyel mode like Junkrat
Winston should've been a girl as well
Pretty much this.
Fuggo SJWs wanna beat their chests and make attractive people feel bad about hogging all the sex appeal. I'm a nasty looking little troll but I'm not gonna get filled with desperate rage and make blog posts because nathan drake is a handsome 30something.
Get over it, you witch nosed jewniggers.
>SJW's hate game
>This is considered new
How many times can you remember SJW's liking a game not created within their own community? Usually they bitch and moan until something is changed and promptly move on to the next target, nobody stays and puts money into the product that was painstakingly changed due to their demands, they're fucking parasites.
>create an awful, embarrassing character design, purely and specifically to pander to the bitchy middle school girl audience
>girls still hate the cast and the game
Why do Japanese game devs think trying to appeal to people who hate games and don't even play them is a good idea? Weeaboos will eat it up, but the Japs definitely lost a huge chunk of the market share pulling this BS. . Do none of them have any business sense at all? Is this a passing madness?
What do they think of Loadout?
>not using your strong wommyn party members as the team toilet.
The text in the image is literally a direct quote from the Blizzard employee himself who revealed Zarya during a stream of PAX or one of the other gaming conventions.
Jesus christ, this whole "CITATION OR SOURCE NEEDED" i getting ridiculous. It's almost every single post now where someone says something that someone else doesn't like, they immediately respond with "LOL GIVE ME SOURCE OR BULLSHIT!!!!". You don't need a citation for every single thing. Some things may not even have a real source, sometimes it's just something incredibly obvious if you use your brain for once in your life.
Why you would ever think you need immediate proof to validate that a large and somewhat musclebound chick with tatooes and pink dyke hair is a character purely made to pander to SJW types is beyond me, because it's pretty clear as fucking day.
If you're really that hesitant about something someone post, how about you google it yourself for once you prick.
Feminists don't want an equal representation.
They want "sexual" representation to be completely eliminated. If they could snap their fingers and make Overwatch their way, there would be no males, and all the women would range from fat as whales to skinny as brooms, with huge rosy noses and shit-loads of blemishes.
Because fuck the patriarchy, women should never be seen as attractive to men, only as a threat to their masculinity
They don't. They're outside the fence trying to figure out ways to con people out of money in exchange for their opinions.
I think the design is fine, but the dumb pandering reason for it is retarded and I'm happy they got bit in the ass for trying to make these retards happy. They don't want to be happy, they want to complain about shit. You could hand them everything they want on a silver platter and they would just move the goalposts further.
The really weird thing about them making such a pandering character like Zarya, is that they added her to a game that was already pretty diverse.
I mean the cast at that time consisted of a bunch of women, two being brown, one being a blue alien chick, a dwarf, an old man in a big suit, a robot, an asian guy, a grim reaper, a robot monk, a gorilla, and a cowboy.
I mean if that's not a diverse cast then i don't know what is.
They'd whine that the fat women aren't fawned over by men and are treated like jokes.
Even though almost nobody finds fat, ugly women attractive, that's the whole reason why they're called ugly.
In their mind this isn't a product of nature though, they actualy deluded themselves in thinking that this has a cultural basis. So if they spam their bullshit long enough men will start to be attracted to those kind of women.
>pandering to SJWs
>not straight up ignoring them or laughing in their faces
im true neutral in the matter so i will play her
>mfw mom could get me free brownies
>'scool dat is free an all but... y u think i can' afford two dollas?
>y u tryin-a say i broke'n'shit? I roll them benjamins, ho.
>rapes them all, eats their brownies, and leaves without paying
Sexualized female means sexually attractive to heterosexual men and looks far better then them
Sexualized male = men they are not attracted to being sexually attractive in a way where if those men were attractive they'd have to go to the bathroom and wring out their panties.
BTW that other poster isn't joking, bitches like seeing inshape(not the gay male models or bodybuilder tier guys) running around with our johnsons flopping about.
And what they like about boners is the surprise of it. Want to make a chick so turned on you can practically hear her pussy drip and contract? Pull out the soft one and ask her to make it hard. Ham it up a bit when she does her thing, show her that she's turning you on.
This stall was right next to it I bet.
The small text on the sign there says you need to sign a consent form, which means they know what they are doing is wrong.
It's unlikely that anyone participated and they just sat there looking sexist all day.
>why wouldn't reddit's caricature of an SJW, complete with every single "feminazi" feature exaggerated to the point of cartoonishness, be created to appeal to the SJWs?
>Why don't you just accept this random unsourced image that says someone's name on it and was posted on an anonymous image board? Why do you need claims to be validated?
Something more then a little fucked up about women being mentally groomed into thinking that women getting turned on by them or even liking it is okay but pitching the worlds biggest bitch fit if any male shows even the slightest positive sexual attention towards her.
I guess the queer controlled media and academia and blogosphere has fucked up chicks heads that much.
Ah well, I guess there's always the fresh off the boat chinese and latinas and ethiopians. They're not completely fucked in the head like western chicks.
We're desperately in need of more attractive muscle girls, and Zarya's a much needed step in the right direction. I get tired of seeing the same old super model, noodle armed dames who look like they'd be the first ones to get raped on a battlefield.
SJW's are pretty stupid most of the time, but if they're the reason we got Zarya then frankly I'm thankful for their autism.
SJW pandering is still in the experimental stage. In a few years, once all the corporate market experts realize that trying to appeal to women doesn't actually work they'll revert back. Just have to wait out the storm.
There's just something about that name that makes me squick.
Before I even knew who she was I felt revolted by the mere sound of that name.
Sarkeesian. The spelling makes my fingers feel sticky and soiled. Ugh.
>those who do not fit the criteria are not eligible for a free slap
>those who do not fit the criteria are not eligible for a free slap
Yeesh, Zarya is basically the heavy if some 12 year old customized him with a bunch of crappy cosmetics and painted them all neon pink. And I can see why people dislike the cosmetics in TF2 now.
I'm genuinely curious if these kind of posts are just bait/troll posts or if you're actually just this stupid.
/v/ loves muscle girls or fit, well toned girls. Zarya is not even close to being a muscle girl. She's a large, overweight looking chick with a few muscles on her arms and nothing more. She looks literally nothing like an actual muscle girl like in that picture you posted.
Pretending Zarya is in the same league as an actual muscle girl is just disgusting and shameful. She's not even close to a large muscle girl like Amazon.
call me contrarian, but i like playing characters that don't appeal to others at first sight, especially in mmos. Be it nasty, reckless or backstabbing goblin, rad undead, weird junkie or non-human alien species. Maybe it's a roleplay thing, or just distancing myself from my persona, but it's lot of fun. People in online games rarely distance themselves from you based on your avatar, and are drawn to your personality. Moreover, it often helps in making stronger bonds. Playing carefully crafted cheesecakes/beefcakes attracts a lot of creepers, and avoiding that becomes much easier.
>people seriously asking what makes the OP character tumblr
Just because something is different doesn't mean it's good. Sometimes things are similar because those are the things people actually like. People like hot girls, not girls who look like men.
>born from two daddies
But that is impossible
I can understand this logic
if you literally suck dicks.
Zarya's far from being perfect, but she's a step in the right direction. No she doesn't look as good as the girl in the previous pic or these two, but she's not bad at all and still falls in that category.
She's at least a 6.5-7/10 imo.
>girls who look like men
If the criticism it towards Zarya herself then I'd say you're being a bit harsh. She's far from perfect but clearly a female with more than enough feminine features. She doesn't look like a man at all.
If you're referring to musclegirls in general, then you're an absolute faggot with shit fucking taste.
Well, first of all, women on the battlefield doesn't happen no matter how much muscle they put on.
As a matter of fact, not even navy seals, para troopers, the sas, and those cray as fuck assholes from australia walk around with a lot of muscle mass. Most of them moderate sized and have a few extra pounds. It's to survive better in the cold water and when there is no food around for days.
Secondly they wouldn't get penetrated by anything except bullets and bomb shrapnel. You've been watching to much terrible "porn" masquerading as historical or feminist fiction.
Not even female soldiers will go to war if they can help it and even fewer are insane enough to think they can hold their own in a straight up confrontation on the battlefield.
This is all about ego wank and pure masturbatory idiocy of a few retards who do fuck all in the real world except bitch that the fantasy worlds of others doesn't act in ways that they want.
By the way, the most fapped to muscle chick in the media was the amazon from dragons crown. All of the rest of them are litterally just shlick material for gay chicks and fap material for sub and closeted queers.
I haven't been paying attention to AC Syndicate, so I don't know how it's "SJW", but I think that the low sales are more to do with Unity being an absolute clusterfuck than anything else. Also the series is nearly 10 years old now, so surely people are burnt out on the series at this point.
you fucking piece of fuck fuck
I suppose It's how she tries being a special snowflake.
The characters are really hard to bond to,since Blizzard always try to make everyone look good.
Take this guy for an example,(I'm not using him to say she's a rip-off or some shit.)
He has his strengths and flaws:he Is fat and retarded,but he aknowledges that.He values himself as more than someone expandable,but he dosen't suffer from special snowflake syndrome.
Maybe some are afraid she's trying to replace him,but that sure as hell won't happen.
>he Is fat and retarded,but he aknowledges that.
Whoa whoa, Heavy is not fat or retarded. He's built strong and just has trouble speaking english. Is not his native tongue.
Everything else is on point.
>Then why is his character a guy in love with food
Because it literally heals him? I'd love food too if it cured me from dying.
>and the other characters call him fat.
Because they're assholes. Most of the fat insults come from Scout and Spy, the smarmy pricks of the cast.
The point I was making with that "raped on the battlefield" remark is that most females in games have that generic tits and ass porn actress look, and look like they'd be the ones getting raped rather than kicking ass. There's very little of them who have visible muscle mass or could be considered musclegirls. I'm speaking purely on aesthetics here, rather than referring to actual females IRL who fight on battlefields, who I'm also sure look nothing like the generic porn actresses I'm referring to.
And I agree that SJW's are stupid the vast majority of the time, they're also self-righteous shits who take the easy way and shit on people who don't 100% conform to their views, rather than going out and helping people in need.
Nonetheless, I'm not really upset if they're the reason we have Zarya.
Heavy is the second or third smartest playable character in TF2. He has a PhD in Russian Lit. He's big and comes off as a meathead due to his difficulty speaking English, but he's not retarded.
Literally a man with boobs slapped on. Unless they reveal her to be trans or whatever.
No, the girls in your pic are highly feminine women with a bit of muscle on them.
They're something to add to the jack off folder, or a girl you can take around town.
The girl in the OP is a dumpy swole utterly unrealistic FBB chick created solely to appeal to the audience but not upset women who'd like said character.
She's a totally clean realistic yet unrealistic in that way that makes it utterly improbable character designed to appeal to a certain group. Unsexualized to the vast majority of male players but highly sexual to the creeps who bitch about cartoon characters being sexually attractive to average het males and not them in particular.
To be honest. NO ONE FUCKING CARES! She'll just be a totally boring background character that has fuck all going for it what so ever that will be completely ignored by nearly the entire fanbase unless she plays unbelievably well or is broken as fuck.
You don't need to justify your fetish Anon. It's a silly thing to do.
I'd fill those jews with my juice
I remember reading somewhere...
>obese women can only be seen as comical
It's a retarded point since everyone in the game is seen as comical.
I'm hoping that as the years progress we see creators realizing that you can't please every demographic and that there is no pleasing the overtly critical.
Generic tits and porn actressess or swole bitches? They will all get raped by bullets and shrapnel ON THE BATTLEFIELD!
You're honestly bitching that you don't have the swole female equivalent of the guys from Contra.
Want to know something? Guys like that spend 99% of their time in jeeps riding TOO the actual battle and posing for photos and working out.
Not actually getting into the thick of it. It's a fantasy thing. And since this fantasy is so popular with the audience that they'll keep selling it even though it's total bullshit. Like the handsome 6'5 or power house lady killer spy thing. It's bullshit.
Now that we have that out of the way, swole or chicks who simply do very masculine things and are not HIGHLY feminine to counteract this are universally pushed to the side and ignored by males as a rule. Worse they'll earn the ire of some men.
That's just how it is.
No amount of bitching and stomping your feet will make men like or want to dick your shlick/gurl power fantasy.
Zarya is just another big dude chick that is as fucking ubiquitous as slime monsters in JRPGs. Nothing about her is marketable to the male audience, nothing about her stands out in a positive way. She's just there.
>Implying any of those jewbroads see a single second of combat.
>if i draw a cartoon of it, it will be true!
So what, 1 sperm decided it wanted to be an egg and host 23 completely different chromosomes?
>female features on a male body (women bodybuilders don't get that kind of mass without taking, which makes no fucking sense for a combatant as that mass just gets in the way)
SOMEBODY POST THAT FEMALE RUSSIAN CUTIE. NOT THE LIFTER ONE, BUT THE PINK LONGSLEEVE ONE.
If we took away the SJW influence and focused on Zarya herself I agree that as a musclegirl she could be way better designed. However, she's not bad at all and a welcome addition for me to the cast of characters.
SJW's are retarded, and maybe most of them are complaining that sexually attractive characters appeal more to het males than them in general. And yes Blizzard clearly made Zarya to pander in one way or another to SJW's(while doing it in the most retarded way as you pointed out), but in this specific case I'm honestly not bothered by it.
I actually kind of like Zarya's design, even if it could be far better.
Again, the battlefield thing is just a metaphor, it's not literal. I probably should have used a better one, but whatever. Point is, I like musclegirls, and when performing some kind of highly action oriented role imo musclegirls look way better performing than the standard DYEL porn actresses we see in games.
As a musclegirl Zarya could be way better, but I still think she looks way better fighting than most porn actress video game females do. That's the bottom line here, I really couldn't care less if SJW's are the reason for Zarya, she falls in line with my tastes so whatever.
Aesthetics are a beautiful thing in any sex anon. Nothing gay about it, that is a handsome motherfucker right there.
What makes us healthy, and unlike the SJW hordes, is that we ask "How do I become like this?" instead of screaming that that is unrealistic and that "real women don't want that".
We don't paint "SEXY" on our hot pocket-fueled Pillsbury dough-boy bodies and go ride the subway in a thong to prove a point.
We go to the fucking gym.
I WAS THINKING OF THIS PERSON. AT LEAST I THINK I AM. SHE'S NOT IN A LONGSLEEVE, BUT HER FACE LOOKS SIMILAR.
I was played Jak X recently. It's from 2005. The female characters say shit like "girl power!!".
I thought we were over this shit now, it's not feminism, it's pandering to weak failure girls who want attention just for being girls.
Third-wave feminists are ANTI-feminists. I bet people on /v/ are more feminist than tumblrites because we just accept if a female character is strong or smart of whatever. We only sexualize the hot ones, and that's not an insult. Fat girls are just jealous that they suck at life AND are ugly.
That's the same girl anon. Julia Vins.
>I've never seen a roided female bodybuilder in my life
If they look so similar that people are having trouble telling them apart ingame, then it is a problem.
Also body shape is not the only factor, there are also the movements and gait and body language unique to an individual. As well as weapons and abilities.
Fuck, I didn't notice it was her without her cute ponytails. Thanks man.
Video games are dying because companies are pandering to a gay market that doesn't even enjoy videos games. SJWs just want to bitch and moan and they're the ones getting pandered too. Just get a better hobby.
No, it doesn't, retard. She has actual upper arm fat , she has a normally sized face rather than a way too light one, she still has body fat in general which you'd expect and as a result a pretty feminine figure, unlike Zarya which is a man with boobs.
This doesn't look like Zarya either.
I think it's reached fourth-wave feminism, aka "fuck it, just ban men from everything."
Which as a man, I'd support. Frankly, we're awful. Just look at yourself! How do you sleep at night?
So they're literally perfect?
There is no perfect.
>Changing their body type would ruin the player's ability to tell them apart?
That's the opposite of what I said. And there are other visual indicators other than body shape.
The gameplay is what ultimately matters.
You're being ridiculous. As if you're the ultimate judge on what Zarya's body type is like. The point is that not every woman has flaring hips in proportion to their gargantuan muscular shoulders, like that terrible drawing was trying to imply.
And plenty of female body builders get the same bulk as Zarya, as I've already posted.
At no point did I say that I cared that she exists. I don't. I'm stating that she's litterally a dumpy little FBB chick +Bull Dyke and fairly unattractive to the het male audience and that's what they are going for.
If she was built like samantha wright or that russian powerlifter chick(you know before the gear and age starts to make her more manly) with bigger tits then I'd have my dick out right the fuck now or be out prowling the streets looking for something to fuck. But she's not. She's built to be unsexual but highly sexual for a certain audience
Secondly, male models and actors don't do the kind of action and military shit that is seen in games. That's just pandering to women.
And women with that much muscle mass don't do SHIT outside of eat and do a lot of gear. That's it. Want to see an attractive "toned" active woman who's relatively strong, look at female athletes and martial artists.
Want stout strong women who can muscle around weapons realistically? Look at geared up diesel dykes.
BUT since you've admitted you just want buff chicks in game because you can pretend they're super strong and shit and don't want them attractive in a heteronormative since then. Shit let your freak flag fly.
Just don't be upset that basically all men don't dig it in the same way that you do. K.
You're right, not every woman does. Transgender women have bodies like Zarya, i.e. women that used to be men. If it's that, then sure.
She has arms like my male trainer who is a professional bodybuilder- and not natural bodybuilding either. Women’s arms simply don’t carry muscle like that, not in that shape, even if they were on steroids (which a lot of cartoony male characters would have to be to be their shape, so I don’t particularly have anything against female characters lookin more buff that is naturally achievable).
You could have huge arms, but how women’s bodies store fat on the arms is going to make it look different than a super muscular guy’s arm. You have to really really diet to get upper arm fat off, and if you’re trying to be one of the world’s strongest women like Zarya is supposed to be, you’re not going to be on a diet that gets rid of arm fat, or probably much of any fat, for that matter.
Her rib cage is also really wide, another male trait, which make her shoulders too wide. Her jaw is really cut, she’s not carrying hardly any weight in the face which would and should be present on a woman of that size. Her boobs should probably be bigger or possibly lower, but that goes along with the general theme of she should, overall, be fatter.
Also, it's funny you're posting bodybuilders (which still don't look like Zarya), because she's meant to be a strongwoman, not a roided up freak. Even if you'd be remotely right with that it'd still be shit design.
Alright. So there's not perfect, and varying body types won't ruin the players ability to identify the characters. If those things are true. Then why do you keep dismissing the fact that all the characters have the same body type? Somehow gameplay overrules our appreciation of visual aesthetics? Is that it?
hey, if the gameplay is all that matters, then why not make all the characters basic geometrical shapes. Make Mercy and inverted cone. Tracer a rectangle. And Widow a circle. Because all that matters is gameplay.
I love how these bitches are clueless about gaming, we never had this kind of issue until they decided to be a bitch about everything.
pic related, UT2004 had ugly bitches back when no one cared about this diversity bs.
Women are supposed to be petite and small. Not muscled and chiseled.
This is how nature intends for you to be, the only exceptions are when you have a nice ass, tits, hips and thighs, and that's all just fat and love handles and shit.
The thing here is that even muscled women don't end up looking like Zarya, EVEN cartoonishly exaggerated.
Strong women are roided up freaks. Besides there are women that are built like her in the world, they're not hot but they exist.
If they wanted her to be strong and attractive then they should have taken a look at the real world hot as fuck female olympic lifters and athletes.
Bitches are HIGHLY dickable/lickable.
I've already agreed that Zarya's design could be better as far as muslcegirls are concerned, I just don't agree that she's anywhere as ugly as you're making her out to be.
>BUT since you've admitted you just want buff chicks in game because you can pretend they're super strong and shit and don't want them attractive in a heteronormative since then. Shit let your freak flag fly.
Are you implying that the muslcegirls can't be attractive in a heteronormative sense? I'd argue that musclegirls done right are just as marketable if not even more ideal than the standard DYEL, noodle armed, pansy fuckgirls we usually see in games.
It's litterally the hollywood standard bodytype.
Skinny small less then a handful tits little to no ass any and all signs of woman hood small and out of the way.
Why? Because women with fantastic bodies trigger women with awful bodies.
Even the chick in the OP who is supposed to be different is just a guy with tits and pink hair.
They went out of their way to NOT make an attractive strong woman.
If they REALLY made women with differing body types, gross, hot, comical, beautiful and pure, obese, and petite and were honest in presentation of them. Which will take balls that most companies don't have.
Then one of two things will happen.
They'll laude them for letting people play different kinds of women
Or they'll bitch incessantly about the women either being not pretty or too pretty.
Zarya's not dissimilar from this olympic hammer-throwing bitch.
She's more exaggerated of course, because she's a fucking cartoon and she's supposed to be.
I meant that they usually have taken hormones that make them have female traits as well (i.e. boobs, more fat to hips) which are thrown upon a male frame, unless they did that shit before puberty (usually doesn't happen)
>all but one
Even though that design is shit, muscular women are the definition of sexualized. How can you judge sexualization based on appearance? Doesn't sexualization suggest intent of the designer?
Most SJWs I know don't even BUY games.
They're all poor students or fat white girls who live with their parents.
All of them either pirate or borrow. Some just watch Let's Plays, and I think that's how most SJW do it (which is why Life is Strange made so little.)
>all but one are sexualized
to be honest family even Zarya gives me a huge boner
>guise, we are trying to be more diverse and inclusive!!!
>only muscular girl is a fucking russian
wow Blizzard, excellent job at changing and challengeing all those old ass conventions and tropes
Why I never see feminists shitting on Loadout??
>because its an accurate representation of feminists
I never said she was ugly. I said she's not attractive to the average het male. Big difference.
Doesn't matter if I wouldn't dick her even if I was desperately horny, hated her guts and wanted nothing more then to hear her scream my name as I brutally fucked her brains out kind of deal.
And that is something that makes my dick STONE HARD.
Hell I've actually banged the fuck out of self proclaimed dykes who just so happen to have awesome bodies and nice personalities.
Okay 2. But you get my point.
She's just...the entire package is not hot but she's not ugly.
Now that we have that out of the way, you can't sell "muscle girls" to the mainstream audience.
You just can't.
A chick where her muscularity and by extension masculinity is the thing that is the defining feature of a chick does not sell to anyone save for a niche of people I don't give a fuck WHAT your friends on the internet or in that once women's studies course tells you.
It just does not fucking sell.
A feminine woman with some muscle on her and it accentuates her feminine charms? Yes, we'd be trying to fuck something all fucking day and would largely ignore the muscle.
A woman who puts on muscle in a mascline way and displays it like it's a secondary sexual characteristic? NOPE!. Shits' mad gay bro. You noticed the muscularity before you noticed that a woman was attached.
Time to come out of the closet.
Reminder, Anita Sarkeesian thinks this is a sexualized character.
I think she's cute, but I have a habit of sexualizing every female character I see. I want a source, a time, place, and person on who said what was said in OP's image, otherwise I'm inclined to say bullshit. Unless Zarya starts sputing grrl power/diversity bullshit in game, I have no reason to dislike the character so far.
>b-b-b-b-b-but muh pink hair
Yeah I wanna spooge on it
bayonetta is stylish as fuck though, and she loves it and doesn't afraid of anything. It's the kind of design that comes out of a place of genuine love for the character and what she stands for, even if she just stands for campy action and cheesy one-liners. She's a genuine female action hero, a proper counter part to Dante without being rule 63 Dante. Zarya is just rule 63 big beefy generic action marine.
Not like the rest of the designs in overwatch are that much more orignial than Zarya or anywhere near as unique as Bayo.
/v/ just bitches about it because it's on the news. If that Punisher clone was being called the hypest shit by polygon or whatever /v/ would call it an embarassing 3edgy5me character for teenage edgelords. They wouldn't be wrong though
This. Valve went into great detail about this in their TF2 development commentary. Bright colors don't help that much at a glance and hurt your visual style a lot. Shape is much more important when quickly identifying characters. They clearly don't know enough about this subject for it to have been their intention, they picked the bright color because they wanted her to be a dyke.
>only 2000 people playing the game at any given time
Agreed, she's not attractive to the average het male, but there are plenty of het males like myself who still find her somewhat attractive, though as a musclegirl she could be way better. In the end she's just one of many characters, so it's a moot point.
Let me rephrase. I don't think well designed musclegirls will suddenly turn off male audiences from buying a game, and frankly I'd think there'd be a reasonable amount of them who'd find said well designed musclegirl attractive, like the ones I've been posting.
Because it's fiction making an attractive musclegirl is just a matter of being a good artist.
Out of all the examples I posted, I'm sure there's at least a handful that if executed properly as a female main in a video game
It's not really hard to understand.
During the olympics, all of the athletes are clustered together in a big compound of hotels and stuff that's been set aside as the temporary 'athlete's village'.
A bunch of overworked 20 year olds who normally have little free time to socialize, in prime physical fitness, during the most intensely emotional period of their life, surrounded by a shitton of other overworked 20 year olds in prime physical fitness in the most intensely emotional period of their life of the opposite gender results in an ungodly amount of fucking.
*that if executed properly as a female main in a video game will find plenty of support from a heterosexual male audience, and won't make them think they're just guys with boobs.
Just scrolled up all the one to your first post.
I wouldn't fap to any of them, they are shit characters that wouldn't work in a game.
The standing girl here >>315560860 could be a blacksmith in a shitty jrpg for a random city, never to show up again. That's the best job she can get.
Women like to feel desired. It is a large part of attraction for them. Literal signs of this are a good way to go about it. They might not be consciously aware of this but it is a biological fact.
Men seek out mates, and the mates naturally respond to being sought out. If both parties were initiators there would be a lot less to filter out "worse" mates.
Of course there'll be a few faggots like yourself with shit taste, but the point I'm making is that well executed musclegirls being the main isn't going to turn off this mass of heterosexual males, and will appeal to way more than they turn off.
It's already turning me off. You are wrong.
Also I wasn't the guy you were originally talking to. Just wanted to check what you meant with that "these girls could be characters if done right" comment. Those girls sucked dicks.
>As an average het male myself
I reiterate, she's not attractive to the average man but she's not ugly. And like I said, feminine women where some muscle accentuates their natural female beauty? Awesome.
Buff masculine chicks that are nearly indistinguishable from dudes? Female characters that display their muscularity and masculinity as a sexual trait?
Mad gay and won't get you shit but laughed at and or ignored.
By the by, there has not been a single successful titular muscular female character in gaming. Not a single solitary one.
I've seen a lot of porn on the internet and my tolerance for stuff outside my comfort zone has gone up tremendously. This stuff doesn't turn me off but I don't feel especially attracted to it either. I like legs and bellies, so all women in generally are appealing to me unless they manage to fuck one of those two things up. For the same reason, a small set of men also appeal to me.
I don't think it's going to weird many people out unless you sexualize it and try to draw their attention to the muscles, which you are currently doing so you're going to get that exact response from those many people.
Athletics were originally done naked, yes. Anyone inside a gymnasium was traditionally supposed to be naked. It allows you to use your full range of motion for everything and move as effectively as possible.
If your criticism is that you're not fond of the musclegirls I posted and have better ones to use as an example, then please provide them.
If you're saying that it's utterly impossible to make attractive muslcegirls period in videogames then fuck off with your atrocious taste, you'd no doubt be in the minority of people who wouldn't support a game with said musclegirl.
>Buff masculine chicks that are nearly indistinguishable from dudes? Female characters that display their muscularity and masculinity as a sexual trait? Mad gay and won't get you shit but laughed at and or ignored.
If that's your opinion of all the pics I posted, then feel free to give better examples of a well designed musclegirl. Unless like the other anon I quoted you're saying it's literally impossible to make an appealing musclegirl, to which we'll just have to agree and disagree.
And there not having been a single successful titular muscular female character in gaming is just a matter of the game being shit or the musclegirl not being designed well enough, simple as that. Musclegirl's done right no doubt can sell just fine.
It's just a photo shoot, ya' dingus. It was for some ESPN special about bodies or something. All I know is it taught me lots of Olympic women are THICK AS FUCK.
The pictures I'm posting are entirely sexualized because it's fanart designed to do just that. Obviously in a game featuring a well designed musclegirl she's not going to be doing anything other than whatever her specific role is, she'll just look way cooler doing, like pic related.
You are supposed to hate Raiden you pleb. He was created to be a loser and a prancing la la homo man in comparison to Snake so you feel angry at not being able to play as Snake.
I entirely lose respect for any artist (game devs) that CHOOSE to pander to these degenerates.
If I wanted to make a game with all white people and it fits within the context of the story I should be able to without Sarkeesian and twitter getting in an uproar about a creator's decision
Now you've got me thinking...
Probably this order for intelligence:
Engie is #1 obviously, with his multiple PhDs.
Medic doesn't have any training but he's brought motherfuckers back to life
Heavy we've already gone over
Spy is probably very educated in a lot of areas
Sniper seems average
Demo also seems average but likely didn't get educated because he was supporting his family
Scout probably never went to school
Soldier and pyro are both insane
TF2 cast is smarter than we thought
I don't think I'm being an elitist at all, just explaining how a well designed muslcegirl will work just fine in a videogame marketed towards heterosexual males.
She's more on the lean side, but still has clear muscle tone in her arms and legs. This same artist could also probably draw all the other females I posted with even more muscle mass and tone and they'd look just as good as what I posted there.
Point is, musclegirls can sell just fine in games if done right. Guys aren't going to suddenly not buy the game or think they're playing as a dude with tits.
>mfw it didn't work on me
>mfw i enjoyed playing as raiden
>Epic puts ideal SJW women in Unreal Tournament 200X
>receive no feminist praise for the fat bulky tank-women
Why not? Because SJWs didn't even play video games until 2011. SJWs don't play games, they whine about them.
The Medic does have training. He's just a sadist and doesn't give the same consideration for risks that a lot of actual legitimate doctors do. In real life that would probably put him in the bleeding edge of medical research. Researching and treating people with as little risk of harm as possible is really difficult and usually means choosing safer treatments over more effective treatments. It is an extremely slow and careful process if you're trying not to hurt people.
He lost his medical license, remember?
Her upper body could be way better I'll agree, but the focus on this particular work is on her lower body, which looks really good and I'm sure wouldn't turn off the majority of heterosexual male gamers if used as part of the model for the main female character in game.
I honestly don't care that Zarya looks like that. I am just glad when a game has characters that don't all look like the same generic big-boobed bimbo OR generic gruff middle aged man. That includes all the characters; having a giant gorilla genius with a lightning gun is a bit more interesting then just a big dude with a regular gun, or a floating robot monk is a bit more interesting then a guy who just has healing drones, etc.
You can want the same thing as SJWs without being one. You want the same things for different, better reasons.
>strong in some way, mainly defined by actions
>this is largely defined by the females who would choose a mate based on these traits
>physically somewhat fit, as in not overweight. decent personality
>this is largely defined by the males who would choose a mate based on these traits
>only one of these is sexist
nah m8, people love idealized people in media. they function as a more prefect reflection of ourselves when we insert ourselves or generally as an impossible ideal to work towards. The point isnt attaining that ideal, the point is that having a "perfect" goal, you'll always try to improve in your quest to get to that goal. The important part is that you keep trying, not that you'll achieve it.
But that requires a lot of hard work, which is what I think is the real reason SJWs hate this shit. they're just lazy as fuck and want to blame society instead of their own inability to get off their ass.
>women bodybuilders don't get that kind of mass without taking, which makes no fucking sense for a combatant as that mass just gets in the way)
this is great an all but then why do we have samurai who can shoot arrows thru doors, british chick witha lightspeed, robot, robot gorilla, black samus aran who can fly.... power armor can't fly. we can't even get a workign jetpack that last longer than liek 50 seconds.
None of that is real, so why does heavy set chick witha big gun a problem?
Because sjw wanted a good representation of women, and they basically portraited a man. While it's true men are better than women at everything including being a woman, I'm not sure just how much sense does that make when pandering to sjw.
Same exact shit happened to bioware. If you ask for their attention... you'll get it and everything that comes with it.
Im not really thinking about it as a majority minority sort of thing, but more in the sense that I get the feeling they dont get the POINT of idealized people in our media.
They're always talking about representation and inclusivity and how shit reflects our society. The only thing it reflects is what we consider ideals, not what the norm is.
>He thinks he made Raiden to pander
>When kojima literally made Raiden as an opposite of Solid Snake to piss off fans
>one straight white male in the whole game
>it's still too much
Also out of 9 relationships,only 2 are available to straight human male
One is a dyke the other a nigger
I picked the nigger but still this is ridiculous
At least that shit game failed.Good.
People posting bodybuilders look so fucking pathetic. Really fucking sad people, it's like they're blinded by denial.
Zarya looks natural, you know the difference between being on the juice and natural? Hold on.
Case number one.
And someone not on the juice but built like a fucking tank. This is basically how they portraited that bitch, and there is NO WAY ON EARTH a woman would EVER get that much of a mass without being rough and wrinkled up and filled with exploding veins out the ass.
This is a woman confirmed to be on the juice weighing 200 fucking pounds. She looks half the size of Zarya.
I don't really care about her body type. It's just when it's combined with the stupid hair it looks like really obvious pandering to a demographic that I think is toxic. It's also ugly and annoying.
I dunno about any of this junk desu senpai, I can't say the realism behind a character's build has ever mattered to me in a cartoony game. I'd also wager it never mattered to any of you until it became a part of your own political agenda, but that's neither here nor there.
What I do know is that I'd probably date her. She doesn't do much for my dick, but she's attractive in a more... pretty way? I feel a strong urge to kiss that. Weird feeling, wanting one and not the other in such strong degrees. I'm cool with it, though.