Starting up FF8 for the first time. What am I in for, /v/?
The best card minigame in the history of video games.
Character Design: 6.5/10
Characters: 2.5/10 (with exception of Laguna and his troop)
Character Development: 3/10
Over world: 5/10
Main Villain: 2/10
Over all plot: 1.5/10
Re-play value: 3/10
Game as a Whole: 4.5/10
Don't take this seriously. It's just my opinion of my experience playing the game.
No. The first time you're in Galbadia Garden, and Squall is solo, go out into the desert and grind like a mother fucker, until he's about level 45-50. After your party rejoins, all random encounters and boss battles will be a cake-walk. since you made Squall Over Powered as FUCK, the rest of your party's at a much lower level; the game thinks your team is weak, and therefore, they are the same level as the rest of your party, except for squall; since he's the strongest of the weakest majority.
1 is a solid game, especially after it's five-billionth remake with tons of extra dungeons and shit. It doesn't have any annoying characters or forced romances/drama/hour-long cutscenes. It's just a minimalistic gameplay-focused RPG.
FF8 is a huge mess in almost every department, gameplay, characters and story. Draw system is even worse than FF2's whack-your-friends-to-level-up gimmick. At least that's my opinion after autismally playing through every main series title multiple times.
You can expect to fall in love with this cute retard.
Keep Squall dead, I think the level scaling depends solely on him.
The game is easy-modo when you continuously keep your guys at yellow HP.
The hot sexy BDSM teacher
has the hots for Squall early on,. but later finds out she cares for him as a big sister So much for taking advantage of that thirSSt
The MMOs are good considering the genre.
XIII is easily one of the worst, but at least it has quality cinematics, graphic design, voice acting, and a tangible story. FF8 has an unforgivably shit story, characters and a plot that I could still barely comprehend after two playthroughs.
8 has good music and cool-looking summons, but that's it.
Are there any JRPGs where you can't just level-grind to steamroll everything (or the reverse, as with this game)? I like turn-based combat but it always seem to go hand-in-hand with grinding.
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doo doo doo dooo do-da-doo doo doo
7 is good if you're not a contrarian fuck
8 was alright but had a lot of problems
9 was great
10 was total shit
11 was an MMO
12 I heard was OK
13 was total shit, only 2 might be worse.
Pretty good assessment.
FF7 Dirge of Cerberus (Awful TPS with good Sqaure CGI scenes.)
FF Crystal Chronicles Fun game, horrible sales, failure. Personal opinion.
FF Tactics Great game
FFX-2 (Cash in for japanese girls who were the biggest buying demographic for FFX.)
FFXIII-2 and Lightning Returns (Even more soulless cash-ins with a horrible ending if you manage to make it to the end.)
A confusing combat system that makes no fucking sense.
Ive tried to play the game on an emulator multiple times but the "junction" system is way too complicated. I want to play a video game not solve fucking calculus.
>junction system is way too complicated
if you actually figure it out you realize that "atk def mag" options actually optimize it more or less perfectly and would've saved you 3 hours of reading through menus.
Did the story line and junction system really confuse that many people?
How dumb do you have to be? You don't have to like the game, but saying it's bad because you're too retarded to understand it doesn't make it bad
1, 3, 4, After Years, 5, 6, 7, 9, 10, 11, 12, FFT, FFTA, Revenant Wings, Crystal Chronicles
2, 8, 10-2, 13, Dissidia, Crisis Core
13-2, 13-3, DoC, that one CGI movie
God tier: Chocobo's Dungeon, Chocobo Racing
Before this thread turns into a massive shitflinging contest like the last FF thread,
>Laguna sections were the best parts in the game
>7 is a good game, but it looks like utter shit. Music is great tho
>9 has retardedly slow combat opening animation but is otherwise good
>10 is unbearable unless it's your first time and you're only playing for the story (then it can still be pretty disappointing depending on your tolerance for wapanese horse shit)
most criticism comes from the fact that almost every system in the game had some fundamental flaw that could break the game
so why level? or you can just fuck over the scaling in weird ways by making the game think you're way weaker than you really are
get slightly low health, mash cancel, free limits
do a shitload of damage to all targets AND you get an hp buffer. the cost? YOU HAVE TO WATCH THAT FUCKING UNSKIPPABLE MOVIE SEQUENCE. also it costs a bit of time (unless you summon more often and watch that fucking movie sequence 100 more times)
draw for 20 minutes until you have 99, they added a grind even more boring than level grinding
>junction magic to your stats!
so you spend 10 minutes fiddling with menus any time you have to change your party which happens all the fucking time and sometimes when you don't even expect it thanks to laguna sequences. also junctioning the better spells to your stats breaks the game.
>choose between having magic, item, or draw!
A fantastic game with unrivaled aesthetics.
Make sure you don't get into the habit of feeling like you have to draw everything. Just draw a little casually as you go along, and more importantly look for opportunities to convert magic from items and cards. You'll be fine, its not a hard game as long as you have decent junctions.
And don't worry about elemental junctions. Stat junctions and status effect junctions are more critical.
Pic is related to the next game you should play after VIII: FFIX.
Maybe I can agree on some of those points
The junction system is fine though, it's only complicated and confusing to retarded people. There's an "auto" option which works just fine. The only reason to not use auto is when you're going into a boss fight who you know has a particular elemental weakness, but god forbid you should spend a little time prepping for a fight
Not the guy you're replying too, but 10 was really "meh" for me
The game looked good and had some cool music, but it was the first stepping stone into becoming a linear game series. The voice acting really ruined it for me too, it somehow took away the "charm" of it. I'm not a hipster fag by any means, but it just felt so out of place.
my complaint wasn't that it's complicated and confusing
my complaint was that it takes a bunch of time going through each character and setting up the gfs and other shit, possibly transferring hoards of magic. even with auto junction this takes too god damn long.
VI had a similar problem with espers but at least that was just "you get this esper you get this esper ok we're done" instead of "gfs here, you get these commands, do you have a stack of magic? ok, transfer it from this guy, fuck where did rinoa go i left my magic on her, well junction whatever you have" "ok zell is done, now for selphie"
I didn't find the voice acting bad, I just didn't like any of the characters compared to IX.
X lacked heart to me, and I kinda dislike it because it's where Squeenix started really going off the rails with the over designing of characters and setting.
>so you spend 10 minutes fiddling with menus any time you have to change your party which happens all the fucking time and sometimes when you don't even expect it thanks to laguna sequences. also junctioning the better spells to your stats breaks the game.
Too lazy to address your whole post but let me say this: there's an option to instantly switch junctions among party members. Additionally, there are options to quickly swap individual magics between members as well. You're right, it does take some time to set up junctions. You have to menu for 10 minutes. But thats something you should do like every couple hours, not every time you change party members. You're doing it wrong if thats the case.
Took the words right out of my mouth.
FF7 and FF10 are nothing fucking special, they just happened to be the newest final fantasy's on a new system.
If FF8 instead released as the first PS1 final fantasy game, everyone would be having the opposite conversation. FF7 fan boys are the worst and don't realize they're getting back pain from wearing nostalgia goggles so thick.
limit break abuse
gf summon spamming (although this may actually be more boring than autistic grinding)
draw 99x ultima and junction it to literally any stat that matters
again, how can you NOT break FFVIII?
Even though most/all of those things are true, story and characters are where it's weakest for me:
>entire party has identical backstory and motivations (not to mention functionally identical in battle, barring Limit Breaks which I guess you spam the entire game anyways so whatever)
>Squall is the only party member with any (but not very much) characterization
>Horrible forced romance with worst character in the game
>floating anime high school/Naruto Hogwarts for mercenaries powered by(?) Boss Nass from Star Wars or something
>time compression, the fuck is even happening
>"You all grew up in the same orphanage but you forgot for some reason!"
>bizarre 'congratulations'-tier ending
there is an option but it's suboptimal so players are discouraged from using it. smart players will not give a fuck about being optimal and will only play for the story but when you have to design a button that players don't want to use but use anyways because shit is so time-consuming any other way you need to ask yourself how the system got to this point.
The main drawback to that was that I think GF summoning killed your seed rank and thus your money flow, though I imagine it wasn't too hard to make money other ways later on.
nice bait faggot but almost all of those things are plain wrong. ff8 is literally the best one, stop being such a contratian faggot and go back to fapping to rat furries you piece of shit
>Appears out of no where
You have to be autistic if you didn't see it coming
my favorite ff.
but i played it when i was a kid. i ate up squall's teen angst and the high school setting. i didn't care about the broken gameplay and convoluted story.
i can't imagine enjoying it as an adult.
Squall was just starting to act nice towards her, and internally see her as a friend. Then he's suddenly on his knees begging for her to wake up. It's a jarring transition that makes no sense.
second worst game in the franchise, right behind mystic quest and final fantasy thirteen. at least it's not that overrated shit that is seven though.
>b-but muh cloude!
six was the best, suck it up.
>the game isn't shit if you find this one skill in your gfs and level it first, then grind card games and take the correct cards from your winnings and use that skill to convert them into resources to save time grinding!
wow i wonder why so many people didn't realize this easy trick.
most people don't realize they could've saved time by doing that until they've already drawn a bunch of spells up to 99 and then look and go "well why the fuck would i spend a card on that when i already hit the cap 5 hours ago"
Thanks anon. IX is next on the list, and VIII is going pretty well so far. The draw system threw me off at first, but after a while you start to see how it works. Questis is still best girl so far.
>grinding being autistic
dude.. Grinding is a lot of JRPG's bread and butter. The only game I remember that didn't require any grinding (unless you just HAVE to fly through the story.) is Chrono Trigger. That game's enemy placement was to give you just enough leveling up to play through the game with minimal difficulty.
In early game, Quistis is rad as fuck. But for late game, that goes to my LEAST favorite, and that's Rinoa. Her ultimate attack is damn near game breaking. I hate her character and personality (I don't like girls that are girly damsels.), but damn is she over powered as fuck in the late game.
The best FF.
It's still good if you break it.
How to not break it and make game peak challenge and fun:
1. Never draw more than once per battle per character; GF drawing doesn't count
2. Draw points are allowed
3. No casbad running. Only run if death is a sure thing not to keep level low.
4. Dropped items will be main source of magic via refine.
5. May only buy 5 items every two hours.
6. Card mod/refine cards allowed
This forces you to balance loot 'n grinding while being smart about magic junctioning. You'll need to exploit weaknesses more. GFs will be more relevant. It prevents you from boring yourself with draw spam or buying out 4239842390432 healing items and refining into tons of life magic. It also encourages based Triple Triad.
Basically perfect way to play the game.
One of the best soundtracks in the series
Interesting plot with shit writing
TRIPLE FUCKING TRIAD NIGGA HOLY SHIT
One of the best opening scenes in videogames
A lot of shit to do
Pretty and comfy pre rendered towns
>unironically playing one of the literally worse Final Fantasy games
are you retarded f.am?
Good as long as you don't read guides on how to break the game.
The game also requires at least high school level reading comprehension. Seriously I don't know how people can unironically say that some plot point didn't make sense/plotholes/whatever.
>good game, good story
Ripping off of fucking 4 with static class party members and that stupid 'you're really an alien' twist was horrendous. Nevermind that only half of the party was ever relevant and the rest just filler.
>everything is predetermined
>Ultimecia compresses time to save her life
>hunted by SeeD all her life due to her own future actions, caused by her will to stay alive
>after confronting the Squall's SeeD unit, Ultimecia travels to the starting point of FF8 and passes her powers to Edea in order to die
>Squall tells Edea to form SeeD and to train himself, Quistis, Zell, Selphia and Irvine to make absolutely sure the events repeat
>what happens after Squall passes this information along is irrelevant
>the game is a single time loop
The plot for dummies who assume major "coincidences" happens just because.
It's a very menu driven game, but this allows for quite a lot fo customization.
The thing to do is to just read up enough online to understand hos junctioning works, and then stop. Experiment on your own, rather than read a guide and then claim the game's broken shit.
Anyway, the plot is really tenniebopperie (in other words, lots of drama with no real reason behind it) but it's a decent game otherwise.
>Like how enemies scale with you. I hope you enjoy the Balamb Garden theme.
It's the 2nd FF I played, after VII. So I have fond memories. I liked how all the characters interacted, and the futuristic modern setting. This one predicted the future direction of the series.
Of course it's been 15 years. I rank it alongside X and VII, in terms of impact. I preferred the more mature story, and XV shows more of this in recent times.
I was in Primary school, and I just wanted to grow up. I thought being 17 must be great.
How stupid people can be?
My first time playing it I was 10 at the time with basic english reading skills (mexifag reporting in) and I never got confused by the junction system nor the game explanations of how it worked.
>can't tell if baiting or being serious
>tfw blinded by nostalgia
Seriously, wat? When was the last time you played that fucking over hyped anime high school soap opera? This nigga >>315580874 fucking nailed it!
>my complaint was that it takes a bunch of time going through each character and setting up the gfs and other shit, possibly transferring hoards of magic.
You only need 3 active characters at the time and you can switch between characters entire junction sets and magic with the press of a single button.
Also giving or taking magic from one member to another was stupidly easy to do.
Awesome music, legendary setting, edgy teenager characters, easily breakable gameplay (in that cool way that makes it engaging to play), lots of unmotivated hate by edgy old jaded fucks
The whole game is fantastic. Its absolutely ridiculous and obsessed with itself--but good god the story, music, and world absorbs you. Only complaint is that all the characters that arent Squall, Rinoa, and Seifer are sorta just there to pad out the world.
In amy case, dont listen to these faggots about grinding or keeping Squall dead. Just play smart. Focus on drawing magic and junctioning the best you find and refine to stats. Aside from this, just be sure to develop your GFs abilities--which of course requires leveling up a bit.
I think by level 27 or so you can start one-shotting everything if you play right.
FFVII had a dark setting and came first.
FFVIII had a bright setting and came after FFVII.
Its really that simple. People claim stuff like gameplay, characters, story. Nah. All of those sucked in FFVII as well. And every FF game as a whole. They're really just bitching about graphical styles and design.
>gets defeated by joke character
>his whole life is based on laguna's movie
>"B-b-but muh romantic dream"
>even his sexfriends want you to slap his shit
>failed SeeD test
>just wont listen
Wat. That's not how you break the game. I mean, okay, it'd break the game, but that would take a long ass time
If you abuse junction though, you can stay ahead of the curve and one shot everything throughout the game, except bosses(3-10 shots), until you get a spell called aura. Then even bosses are one shots, most of the time.
Not quite so much. He was a victim of mind manipulation. KH relies on their own stupidity. Also, that rival/friend part is a big difference too. Seifer wasn't really friends with Squall.
FF8 is the coziest FF.
>tfw no balamb garden gf
Character Design: 7/10
Characters: Squall alone is a high 7/ 8, and the rest of the cast is pretty good. The other main party members aren't well-developed though, I'll give you that.
Character Development: 6/10
Gameplay/mechanics: Entirely subjective depending on how hard you want to break the game
Over world: 7/10 There were hidden spots on the map that you could just walk into, there's the Obell lake side quest and the Pupu quest
Main Villain: 5/10 Ultimecia could have been much better if they'd put more time into her
Over all plot: 6/10
Re-play value: subjective/10
Game as a Whole: 8/10
The art direction and the music make the game, and Squall is one of the best main characters in the series.
>basically FF6 but with a worse story
>retarded as fuck magic system and leveling up is pointless
>the second coming of christ would be faster than the combat
>yet these are commonly regarded as some of the best FF games
8 and 9 seem like good games except for those fatal flaws I can't get past. Always end up dropping them on the first disc because of this shit.
7 is alright but is probably the most overrated game in history.
>CT sold 1.5 million copies
>FFVII sold 10 million
>lol Chrono Trigger is more overrated!
My god, why do FFVII fans make a fool of themselves in every thread? And every FFVII defender is about deflecting hate to some other Square product.
>selling copies makes a game overrated
No, how people talk about the game makes it overrated. Do you think Destiny is overrated? With the amount of hate the game gets and the tons of sales it has gotten?
The biggest difference between FFVII and CT is that criticism is acceptable when talking about FFVII yet people act as if you are just a colossal idiot that has no taste when you try to even apply a little bit of criticism to CT.
Have you ever seen a CT fan accept any form of criticism?
>The biggest difference between FFVII and CT is that criticism is acceptable when talking about FFVII yet people act as if you are just a colossal idiot that has no taste when you try to even apply a little bit of criticism to CT.
Both FFVII and CT have ardent defenders. And FFVII has a far larger fanbase. Therefore, far larger defenders. As can be seen by the daily FF threads.
I reallydon't get why there's been a sudden surge in people acting like Chrono Trigger sucks and is overhyped. They're mentioning Chrono Trigger more than Chrono Trigger fans even bring it up. Its a lot like FFVII fans keep bitching about how bad FFVI fans are. When no one was even talking about FFVI until they mentioned it.
t;dr I think you have a complex against Chrono Trigger where no real issue exists.
Don't bother stocking magic for anyone except Squall until after the first disc.
Did everyone forget about VI already? I mean I know this board is getting more underage by the year but still.
If the writing is shit the plot is also shit.
Everything about 8 was flawed as fuck, I don't know how anyone can consider it good by any stretch of the imagination.
9 had some fun characters but was otherwise basic as fuck.
>7 is alright but is probably the most overrated game in history.
No that would be TLOU.
I love CT too but that guy does have a point, I've seen way more fanboys treating CT like the holy grail of JRPGs than I have for FF7. Yes it's a fantastic game and definitely a classic that everyone should play at least once in their lifetime, but it's as much the final word of JRPGs as FF7 is.
>When no one was even talking about FFVI until they mentioned it.
You mean aside from the times they explicitly state FFVI is the best game ever after stating FFVII is the worst game ever?
>blah blah blah size blah blah
Yet again, not important. A lot of people like COD. A lot of people like Destiny. So on. Both of those games are hated to the point that you would think they are 3/10 in quality. A large fanbase doesn't make a game overrated.
>I reallydon't get why there's been a sudden surge in people acting like Chrono Trigger sucks and is overhyped.
See, you can't even accept that people don't like the game. Its as if the game is flawless in your eyes. I'll give you a clue, no game is flawless.
>They're mentioning Chrono Trigger more than Chrono Trigger fans even bring it up.
Sorry but you talked about what is the "most overrated game in history." If you can't accept CT being a highly overrated game, then you are pretty much proving my point. Also, what kind of idiot brings up a subject dealing with ALL games, then decides that we can only talk about FFVII and we must have a complex if we mention some other game? I mean, have you ever heard the phrase "pot calling the kettle black"?
>t;dr I think you have a complex against Chrono Trigger where no real issue exists.
>I can't accept that someone doesn't like my beloved game so they must have a complex since clearly no one is allowed to dislike what I like.
>all this generalization
I never said I even liked Chrono Trigger. And now according to you, I'm just a rabid Chrono Trigger fanatic.
You're basically just confirming my point that the problem lies with you looking for a scapegoat.
>No that would be TLOU.
TLOU is overrated as fuck too, but I haven't seen anyone call it the best game ever. It's a decent story wrapped up in shit gameplay like a lot of modern Naughty Dog games.
Meanwhile people act like FF7 revolutionized RPGs and gaming as a whole when basically everything in it, 6 did first and better.
>You mean aside from the times they explicitly state FFVI is the best game ever after stating FFVII is the worst game ever?
Which happens far less than the opposite scenario. Its also a pointless argument since almost all other FF games also have their own defenders. Why are the FFVI fans getting singled out when FFIV, V, IX, X and XII fans also rag on FFVII?
Don't be a c u c k. NEVER draw magic from enemies. Refine it from items/cards.
Learn the item/card refining abilities ASAP by grinding the fish enemies at Balamb Beach (3 AP each, I think you can sometimes fight 3 at a time, most of the time 2 - potential for 6/9 AP after every battle).
(The fish's fins refine into water magic. Water magic is a very good early game spell to junction to your STR(ength) attribute)
>People forgot it already.
HAHAHAHAHAHA you're joking right?
>TLOU is overrated as fuck too, but I haven't seen anyone call it the best game ever.
Consider yourself very lucky.
>Meanwhile people act like FF7 revolutionized RPGs and gaming as a whole when basically everything in it, 6 did first and better.
Most of it is due to the flashy cinematics though, which I agree are merits hardly worthy of championing. I love FF7 but the fandom can annoy the shit out of me too.
>Which happens far less than the opposite scenario.
I've seen this happen more than enough times with my own eyes, you can fuck right off with this "DINDU NUFFIN" crap.
>Why are the FFVI fans getting singled out when FFIV, V, IX, X and XII fans also rag on FFVII?
Because VI fans are the most vocal of the bunch.
IX fans get singled out quite a lot too.
And nobody takes X fans seriously.
>have to play that stupid as fuck minigame or waste tons of time drawing magic so you can junction shit to your stats and have magic to cast
Why the fuck couldn't they just have kept the magicite/materia system? The Sphere grid is the only time them changing that style actually worked out..
>thread asking about FFVIII
>idiots start whining that Chrono Trigger and FFVI are more overrated than FFVII
>I never said I even liked Chrono Trigger
>I reallydon't get why there's been a sudden surge in people acting like Chrono Trigger sucks and is overhyped
Sorry but the phrase "acting like Chrono Trigger sucks" means that you believe that Chrono Trigger is good. Don't even pretend like this is a chance for you to take the high road and pretend you aren't a fanboy, thus making your arguments magically right. You are assuming I am a FFVII fanboy so you are guilty of your own argument too.
If you want to pretend you have an unbiased opinion, then please take your bias out of it.
>I've seen this happen more than enough times with my own eyes, you can fuck right off
>Because VI fans are the most vocal of the bunch.
I see more FFVII and IX fans bitching about FFVI than the other way around. And you were the idiot who brought up Chrono Trigger i nthe first place.
Keep deflecting if you want though. You're just going to turn the hate focus on yourself and FFVII.
Post FF characters that most resemble you in looks/personality.
>I see more FFVII and IX fans bitching about FFVI than the other way around.
I have never seen any FFVII fans bitching about any of the classic games. Bitching about the fans sure, but not the games.
>And you were the idiot who brought up Chrono Trigger i nthe first place.
I'm the guy who brought up TLOU actually.
>Keep deflecting if you want though. You're just going to turn the hate focus on yourself and FFVII.
Whatever you say m8.
>Sorry but the phrase "acting like Chrono Trigger sucks" means that you believe that Chrono Trigger is good.
Look up devil's advocate on google.
I found the story to be lacking in character development
not specifically targeting the 2 main characters as everyone thinks you would be, and thinking they could harvest a cure from her brain seems based 100% in science fiction and tries to pass itself off as being believable instead of just a work of fiction.
I wouldn't even call that decent.
>Nobody here said anything about VI being more overrated than VII.
Read the quote chain that came after someone (most likely you) brought up Chrono Trigger as being more overrated than FFVII.
>I swear to god you VIfags have the biggest persecution complex of any fandom I've ever seen.
That's rich coming from someone who is bitching about Chrono Trigger and FFVI.
Point out to me where they said or even implied that VI is more overrated than VII, because I sure as hell can't find it.
>That's rich coming from someone who is bitching about Chrono Trigger and FFVI.
I never bitched about either of them. I'm bitching about the fans of the latter game though.
Feel free to look it up yourself. Are you pretending that you don't actually believe FFVII is overrated, or that you think CT is the most overrated game out there? Because if you want to claim that you are playing devil's advocate, then one of those 2 actually apply. Hell, you can't even go with the FFVII one since you are the one who brought it up. You weren't contesting an opinion already presented but rather presented your own opinion. Do you actually know how devil's advocate works or did it just sound fancy to you so you decided to claim that was what you were doing?
FFVIII came out after the most popular game in the series. And did pretty much the exact opposite of everything FFVII did (aside from arguably Squall being a loner and having big swords). So most of the hate comes from it not being FFVII-2. But FFVIII was still one of the best selling in the series and got lots of praise from reviewers and fans when it came out. The hatred came a few years later from internet reviews and people on forums.
FFIX on the other hand got a lot of negative reviews and fan criticism when it came out. And was mostly forgotten until in the last 5 years or so when sites like 4chan started to obsess over it for being the 'forgotten black sheep' in the series. As /v/ seems to gravitate towards these lesser known, less popular games. Same reason we can't go a single Zelda thread without people derailing it into a Majora's Mask thread.
tl;dr: FFVIII was popular when it came out. But became hated by the contrarian movement on the internet.
Nice copypasta. Anyway I went into 8 with an open mind knowing full well I wouldn't be getting 7-2, and it still let me down. Everything about that game is so ridiculously flawed that I'm baffled as to how anyone can defend it. I mean yeah, I can give it points for at least attempting something new, but that doesn't mean much when the end result is a hot mess. Nor does it excuse the retarded story and characters even by Square's incredibly low standards.
>But became hated by the contrarian movement on the internet.
Most people hate the game because of the draw and junction systems, which are valid complaints seeing as how it's a huge departure from anything else in the series. Plus it's never even remotely been tried again (closest thing I guess would be the license boards in 12 which also got a lot of shit) so even they acknowledge it was a bad idea.
>Nothing you said was my point at all
Which is why you weren't playing devil's advocate. Why did you want me to look it up when you aren't even trying to prove that that is what you were doing?
You can not grind in that game. You level up only when you kill a boss. Then you get some minimal stats from the first couple if fights after a boss then your stats are locked again til you kill another boss.
>Most people hate the game because of the draw and junction systems, which are valid complaints seeing as how it's a huge departure from anything else in the series.
But most people claim Final Fantasy making drastic changes is its greatest strength as a series. Except when it does changes they don't like of course. Which is the root of the problem with the series and fanbase as a whole. And why most FF fans find fault in the majority of games in the series.
>But most people claim Final Fantasy making drastic changes is its greatest strength as a series. Except when it does changes they don't like of course.
Of course. When a game does what I don't like, it sucks. Plain and simple. Final Fantasy Vi and VIII being the prime example.
>So most of the hate comes from it not being FFVII-2.
Yes I'm sure it has nothing at all to do with the broken as fuck junction system. Or the battles taking twice as long as those in VII. Or the unlikable fuckstick of a MC being the worst elements of the MC from the previous game. Or the spoiled slutty brat of a love interest who's in constant need of rescuing because she constantly insists in getting in the way. Or the rest of the cast lacking any form of common sense or critical thinking skills and are one-dimensional at best and barely existent at worst. Or the story getting worse and worse as you progress through the game with each new plot twist outdoing the last in terms of retardation. Or the decreased interactivity as the game railroads you along its story with very little breathing time. Or the dialogue being worse than a 13 year old's fanfiction despite having a more professional translation than the last game. Or...
Why dont you fucking just play the fucking game instead of making a /v/ thread about it
I can't tell if you are asking for games that are or aren't like FF8 in which they get harder the more you grind. FFT is also like that. Story fights get easier with grinding while random fights can become down right impossible if you grind too much/in the wrong way. This is because gear is really important when dealing with harder fights.
Basically, one thing you should be looking for are games that focus more on getting stats from gear than getting stats from levels. I can't provide enough examples of this, but maybe someone else can.
Dude, people hated that shit when it was still relevant. They hated the story, they LOATHED the characters, they hated the battle system.
It was just a big goddamned clusterfuck of stupid bullshit.
Even the japs hated it when it was released.
BU BU IT SOLD MORE THEN FF7 AT RELEASE!
It sold more then FF7 at release BECAUSE of FF7's popularity.
FF8 was such a departure in tone and such an inferior experience that niggas just threw their hands up and DROPPED the entire FF franchise.
The final straw was the FF movie. That was it.
>hating 13 is a meme
Its funny because hating 13 is more of a problem with older people that are more used to exploration and control over what level you are at any point in time. Saying its just a meme shows that you are young.
>>But most people claim Final Fantasy making drastic changes is its greatest strength as a series.
I've never seen this. Seems like most people like Final Fantasy for the unique worlds and self-contained stories.
Either way I honestly don't think anyone actually likes VIII because of the junction/draw system because it honestly is poorly done. IMO they should have made it where you have MP for normal spells, but have to draw for your junction spells. That way you don't get penalized in the form of lower stats by using magic/not drawing enough magic. No matter which way you choose to get your magic whether it's playing Triple Triad or drawing it, it's a pointless time sink that ultimately punishes you if you don't sink enough time into it.
Also change doesn't always equal a good thing automatically. 10 was a huge change too but most people don't like it for the story and linearity and not the way you get stronger.
>Yes I'm sure it has nothing at all to do with the broken as fuck junction system.
Materia can also be abused and has broken as fuck AP rates.
Espers are easy to cheese.
Once again, trying to claim FFVIII sucked is a broken argument. Since every FF game has broken, bad gameplay.
Or the battles taking twice as long as those in VII.
But that's just plain false. They both have a long lead in time before you can even select an option. And are about the same in time taken. You can even make FFVIII battles faster by 'breaking' the combat. See your above point.
FFIX is the game where battle time became way longer.
>Or the unlikable fuckstick of a MC being the worst elements of the MC from the previous game.
Which is an entirely subjective opinion. And a bad one to make, since you can claim Terra and Cecil inspired the insular, loner Cloud.
>Or the spoiled slutty brat of a love interest who's in constant need of rescuing because she constantly insists in getting in the way.
I agree that RInoa and the love story is the weakest point on FFVIII. But again, kind of a subjective opinion we just happen to share. And again...plenty of other FF games had really weak love stories. FFX had an even worse love story, but people still don't treat it like FFVIII.
>Or the rest of the cast lacking any form of common sense or critical thinking skills and are one-dimensional at best
So just like most FF games...
Look, I'm just gonna stop right here. Basically people need to realize that most complains being made about FFVIII are issues the series has as a whole. If you want to claim FFVIII did something bad, chances are a previous game did it too. So find some other evidence against why its so bad. Oh wait, all that's left is the art design and when it released (after FFVII).
>hating 13 is a meme
>9 is for fedora tipping furfags
Umm... Are you trying to be hypocritical on purpose?
I mean seriously, who actually enjoyed FFIX for Freya BEFORE the meme generation was born? Beatrix was the poster child back in the day just like Tifa is the poster child for VII.
>guy claims FFVI sucks
>other guy claims its just the typical FFVI supporter complex
>look past art style
Is this an opinion of the current generation? Fuck, the art style is one of the good things about FFIX. Same for Chrono Cross.
Complaining about the art style isn't something I've ever heard until recent years, so I'm seriously wondering if anyone over the age of 18 actually shares this opinion. I don't mean this as bait but rather genuine curiosity.
>FFX had an even worse love story, but people still don't treat it like FFVIII.
People do all the time, almost as much as they make fun of the infamous laughing scene.
>So just like most FF games...
Except in FF8, some of the character's actions make no sense whatsoever. Like Quistis abandoning her post in the middle of a high stakes mission just to apologize to the spoiled brat for hurting her feelings, and Zell and Selphie following her for literally no reason when they should have stayed behind. Or Irvine accepting a mission he knew full well he couldn't accomplish, and despite knowing all along about the orphanage shit he never brought it up until much later.
>Complaining about the art style isn't something I've ever heard until recent years
Art style has been one of the primary arguing points of games since the NES days. Not just Final Fantasy, but games as a whole.
Final Fantasy just has it even worse since graphics are the main selling point and appeal to the series. And when a game like FFIX came out, many people didn't buy it because of its art style (mostly the chibi big head characters). Is it a double standard? Damn right it is. But that's just how people are. Superficial. And Final Fantasy fans are about as superficial as they get.
>Of course. When a game does what I don't like, it sucks. Plain and simple. Final Fantasy Vi and VIII being the prime example.
You literally called someone who said he dislikes FFVI a 'FFVI shill'.
More like JRPG fans as a whole are about as superficial as they get. One of the biggest complaints I've heard about the series are the "emo" characters despite only two games in the whole series actually having those "emo" characters, and these idiots for some reason believe emo means "emotionally distant" when it's in fact the exact opposite.
>Art style has been one of the primary arguing points of games since the NES days
I don't mean that I've never heard about people complaining about art style. I mean I haven't heard about people complaining about FFIX having bad art style until recent years. Until then, I've always heard about people liking the art style or not having anything to say about it at all.
I could have just had a sheltered experience for FFIX, but it certainly wasn't from a lack of talking to enough people.
>FF8 and FF9 have been untouched and untainted by remakes or spin offs.
I'm kinda happy for this. FF7 was milked to the point of me disliking it.
I'm glad that at least 8 and 9 were allowed to fade into history and act as the true bastions of their era.
This. I could feel my love for FF7 draining when I subjected myself to CC, it was THAT bad.
Great taste fammo.
Am I the only one who sees ff9 story as a total dragon ball rip off?
Zidane...an alien like goku...with a tail like goku...sent to a planet to kill everyone like goku....shit goes wrong and he ends up not knowing what he really is and goes on to be the savior, like goku.... way too many core similarities
>I mean I haven't heard about people complaining about FFIX having bad art style until recent years.
You may not have heard it, but it was the major issue for the game when it first came out. Only one of my friends bought it. The rest passing on it because the 'stupid midget characters' and 'cartoony style'. And even many Japanese magazines wrote articles about how the Japanese players didn't like the art style.
Note, this isn't my opinion. I dislike FFIX for other reasons besides the art style. But just stating it was a major factor for why it sold less than FFVIII and for it being ignored until the last few years on /v/ when people 'rediscovered' it.
Which is ironic since DBZ is a Superman rip off.
So? That's a good thing, I don't want my favorite FF retconned to hell and back by utterly worthless spin-offs like VII was, or that godawful side story for X.
I honestly never want them to remake FFVIII, despite it being my favorite in the series. Because its one of the few FF games.
The story still has many issues. But Square has proven time and again that when they remake a FF game, they don't fix story or gameplay issues. Just update the graphics. So there's no point in remaking FFVIII
or FFVII, since they won't fix the plot and flow issues in that game either.
Final Fantasy fans are not representative of JRPG fans as a whole. Just like Final Fantasy as a series doesn't represent Dragon Quest, Pokemon, Chrono, Mana, Saga, Suikoden, SMT, etc.
FFIX is a blatant Dragon Ball ripoff. Sakaguchi has always wanted to make games with Akira Toriyama. Which was the entire basis of why Chrono Trigger got made. And eventually led to Blue Dragon. And why Sakaguchi copies Dragon Quest so much.
The ironic thing is, Sakaguchi basically wanted to make Dragon Quest all these years. But only by design. Not story.
Of course there's a point to remaking FFVII anon, the frequently rabid and annoying fankids wouldln't shut the fuck up about it for A WHOLE FUCKING DECADE so Squeenix seeing that their fans love being milked for all their worth decided to give them what they want.
1.) Get LionHeart gunblade as soon as possible.
2.) If you want to max-level everyone, then do it with Quistis' Limit break "Degenerator".
Once she learns it, keep her always in low-health, this will trigger the ability to use limit break. This LB can consume enemies and effectively eliminate them within a few seconds (except Bosses) and you still acquire all the EXP.
Two discs of almost absolutely nothing (including actual gameplay) and then the story goes fucking haywire
The pacing is beyond terrible, the game could honestly be cut in half time-wise.
The writing is trash.
The combat and Junction systems are tedious
Probably not though
I have a theory, just a theory so don't blow up. But I think Square is worried that FFXV isn't going to do as well as expected. With a 10 year development cycle, it has long since passed its hype window. So they may be making a FFVII remake to try and make more money to compensate.
Of course, they also might be making a FFVII remake just to ride the fanboy hype itself. But I feel it has something to do with FFXV.
Psh, if you really think Square gives a fuck about money they would have gone through with two lousy sequels to an even lousier game, a failed MMO which needed to be rebooted, a glut of spin-offs and cash-in attempts nobody asked for, all the while pissing away valuable time and money on a single game that should have been out a generation ago?
>two disks of nothing
Come on dude. You may hate it, but plenty happens in the game. If anything, too much happens and derails the story.
Also, you might as well stop playing FF games as a whole if you don't like the Dollet Dukenum and SeeD missions on Disk 1.
The Final Fantasy games everyone cherished were developed by people that no longer work for SE. It's not even the same company anymore.
Just a bunch of opportunists with no intention of creating meaningful games.
If they didn't like money, they would have never remade FFXIV and tons of shitty sequels. Those are the things keeping the Square side in the black.
But they do make plenty of dumb decisions. Like blocking localization of Dragon Quest and not allowing any new Chrono games. Then greenlighting expensive new Nier and Star Ocean games. So yes, profit doesn't seem to be their driving force.
The game moves soooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo slooooooooooooooooooooooooooooow
Everything up to the battle between the Gardens could have probably fit into one disk if they hadn't putzed around for like five hours in the missile base, or spent 80 days in Fisherman's Horizon
It's fucked up dude
Even just on a scene-by-scene basis, it's walls of text and almost no action. Just over and over and nothing actually happens.
It's really hard to care about the story when it tries to outlive me
>Bravely Default was the last good turn based jrpg
>FFIX, X and XII
Haven't played them m8 but that doesn't make it any less of a storytelling sin
>FFVII Disk 2
Yeah probably. I don't remember the discs clearly but I believe that's the part where it really dragged on for like no reason