>that game that's being held hostage from you by a greedy company
Serious question, how is this shit even legal?
Sounds like youre the greedy goy for not wanting to hand your sheckles over to based sony for helping create a great game.
>that greedy company helped to make the game, and gave the resources to do it
Yeah and how exactly are they losing money on the game they funded by expanding their market? If a company wants to develop a game exclusively for their shitty proprietary hardware that's fine, but the source code should be made public so it could be ported to other systems by anyone.
"Gamers are entitled" is usually complete bullshit spewed by ____drones who don't realize that games can and should have criticism directed at them, but...
Holy fuck you are one entitled motherfucker.
>Not if it's unethical.
What is unethical about it?
They own the rights to the game, they helped make the fucking game, they can decide on what things the game is able to be played on.
What moral boundary are they crossing?
>if I can't have something the people who made it should just give it away for free so I can have it!
>All the recommendations are Bloodborne
Top fucking kek
>thats a funny way of spelling 'overhyped boring shit'
That's a great meme argument which tells everybody you most likely haven't played it or have some retarded bias against sony shit.
On the off chance that you're actually as stupid as you look and not just shitposting - you believe that game devs should be legally compelled to develop for all available platforms? Setting aside the fact that there's zero legal precedent or reason for that... are you aware of how much extra time and money it would take to port every game to PC, Xbox One, Playstation 4, and Wii U? It's not like the dev just flips a switch and it works.
It's not being "held hostage" you autistic fuck, it's just on a platform that you refuse to buy because you're a faggot and/or poor.
Guess what? You can't watch DVDs on your fucking VHS either.
Except Yoshida literally asked From to make a game for the ps4, and out came Bloodborne.
Why don't your hometeam ask them the same?
>From has primarily a console background
>Have a history of routinely switching back and forth between consoles, primarily developing for Playstation but also making exclusive games for Nintendo and Xbox
>Only had one other PC game prior to Dark Souls 1
>Only ported Dark Souls 1 to PC because of a rather pathetic petition
>For some reason PC gamers think this entitles them to the best version all future From releases
you guys woulld just bitch about the port being broken.
You guys do this with every exclusive, you bitch and bitch and bitch until it's ported, and the moment it's ported you either immediately pirated cause 'lel buying video games' or bitch that it's a broken port and then pirate it.
you saved up 1200 bucks for your righ, you can save up 500 for a ps4 and bloodborne you jewlord
It kills me to know that people think everything should be multiplat, as if we wouldn't instantly loose quality IP's, as if witcher 3 would even exist, as if there would be multiplats for PC clowns to even enjoy in the first place. The console bashing has gone off well into memeland, beyond basic common sense. It's a shame many will only focus on the modern practices of consoles instead of the foundation they actually built to support development and how long it actually took to get there. PC clowns still think good hardware buys better games and it's getting out of control how dumbed down and detached from reality this consumer base is becoming.
At the end of the day, all the PC clowns pissed off that games they want aren't multiplat, the reality is you made a wager and you lost faggot. You bet on the wrong platform and I hope you genuinely love RTS and indie shit and playing assfaggots at the highest res because if you don't, it would completely suck to be you.
>Except they also developed Dark Souls 2 with PC as lead platform. That sets a precedent.
Sure they did.
Also Bloodborne isn't a Souls game in the sense that it is it's own IP and not a sequel.
>you saved up 1200 bucks for your righ, you can save up 500 for a ps4 and bloodborne you jewlord
Yeah, why is it whenever I want to play a PC exclusive like STALKER you guys just say "shut up and buy a PC" but you guys cant' do the same for console exclusives?
You didn't make an argument aside from
>pc gamers don't deserve games because it costs too much to develop
Which isn't true, Sony and Xbone are begging for exclusivity and Nintendo just make shit for themselves.
You're absurdly stupid & hilariously pathetic.
You have a severe comprehension issue.
This thread is retarded. Jesus Christ.
Exclusives provide the primary incentive for buying a console. If consoles had no exclusives, there would be no point in consoles existing. That's just a fact of doing business in video games. So exclusives will continue to exist. But there are enough games out there that you shouldn't have to be mad about it. Just move on.
That said, we also need to keep in mind that exclusivity benefits only the company selling the console. It does not benefit the consumer at all. If you think that exclusivity makes the game more fun, you have Stockholm syndrome or something. You're deluding yourselves into thinking that you're "winning" if the manufacturer of your favorite toy is making more money, just like sports fans think they're "winning" if their favorite team plays well, but even more pathetic and weird.
This is the most millennial post ever made.
it's less wanting it to be an exclusive and more wanting pc master race shitstains to not have it.
The 'pc master race' type game is an inconsiderate blight on the community and is part the reason why the games industry is in such pooor shape right now
Except for the fact that Sony owns the publishing rights. It doesn't matter what you think or how "cheated" you feel for not being able to play it. The law says they have the exclusive rights to the game, so the platforms it is released on is solely their decision. I honestly think they would stand to make more money overall by releasing it on PC since only like 1-2 million bought it out of the 30 million that own PS4s, but it's retarded to cry about it and it would be retarded of them to give up what is currently their arguably only really good exclusive.
>Sony owns the publishing rights.
The thread is asking why is this legal, not whether or not it's legal. Sony owns the publishing rights but they really shouldn't, that's the point here.
This. MGSV was still great even if it was kind of disappointing, Fallout 4 is going to be trash and I haven't played TW3 so I can't objectively judge it but I've heard both good and bad about it.
Shame BB is the only game PS4 has. Hopefully DaS3 is good and whatever From+Kadokawa make after their contract with Namco expires is good. From with more funding and an extra 300+ devs with actual technical experience and a publisher that doesn't seem to meddle all that much sounds fucking orgasmic.
They footed the bill and they are morally entitled to get that back in sales. They should NOT be entitled to keep the game hostage. Like I said, if someone wants to develop a game for a single platform they should be forced to release the source code so anyone else could port it if there's demand for it. I guarantee you we wouldn't be seeing a lot of exclusives being developed anymore, and every customer benefits.
>Sony owns the publishing rights but they really shouldn't, that's the point here.
And that point is indefensibly stupid.
I'd like it if every game were available on every platform -- that just makes it easier for me, as a consumer -- but that doesn't mean that publishing rights shouldn't exist or that business deals shouldn't be allowed.
I want to watch Game of Thrones on Netflix instead of getting HBO, but it's never going to happen, so I don't waste my time telling /tv/ that HBO exclusivity should be illegal. Why don't you follow my example?
Well the best decision for From would be to get it out on every platform that makes money.
From should try and get rights to publish on these other platforms for the consumer and themselves, if they didn't want to do it because it wouldn't make shit for money it would be understandable.
I don't like the 'PC master race' type either, if it did get ported do you think they're the kinds of people that enjoy it? It's not, it's just your average PC gamer.
>leterally no reason
its called greed and not thinking. They think that getting a couple mill from sony is sweet because they don't bother thinking of all the money they COULD be making on xbone and pc. Kind of like when your dad tells you to choose between getting a toy now or getting 2 toys later on.
Because porting a game to PC makes a game that was previously near impossible to pirate free for millions of faggots who never buy games.
You are cancer on the industry, PC fags are the direct cause of the decline in quality in the industry in recent years.
Are you like 12?
They're not keeping the game hostage just like how Nintendo isn't keeping Mario or Zelda hostage.
They footed the bill for a new exclusive IP and that's what they got and they can do whatever they want with it and they are well within their moral and legal right to do so.
You are entitled to nothing unless you buck up and get a PS4.
Jesus you people sound like OWS protesters.
>that business deals shouldn't be allowed.
You should be annoyed that those business deals hurt you as a consumer.
Don't you want the option to play games on the platform of your choice?
It would be great to have a PS4 monster hunter, BB/Dragons Dogma on PC and Darkest Dungeon on Vita. As long as companies can make a profit from those platforms, there's little reason to exclude them.
>From says they want the BB IP
>Sony says no
wow i sure as fuck am entertained by the same old overshilled game formula thrown in with a different backdrop
seriously the giant bossfight gimmick is extremely entertaining, im really glad the entire fucking game revolves around this one old as fuck overused gimmick, because i really cant imagine people hating this masterpiece fucking game XD
Bloodborne was meant to be a console seller.
It's not about how much money they could make on the game but how much consoles it sold.
That's why Sony poured money into it. They knew it would sell systems, which in the long run will make them more money than just selling more copies of a single game.
Everything PC touches turns into cancer.
MGSV for example, so many PC clowns playing it as their first game and calling it a masterpiece despite it being a total and utter abomination to the metal gear franchise yet they simply wouldn't know or even care for that matter.
I primarily game on PC and I would love to see Bloodborne on it, but that's just absolutely retarded. Do you know anything about the concept of ownership? Are you voting for Bernie next year?
The vast majority of PC gamers don't even know where or how to pirate anything without getting a virus. Do you really think the average Steam user knows shit about piracy? Also, I wouldn't say it's "near impossible" to pirate a console game.
As for the second line of your post, that's such a bizarre statement that it's not worth refuting.
You're a fucking retard if you think that a company doesn't think about the money the game might have made if it was released cross platform when they get into an exclusivity deal. They probably get cash up front, free dev kits and access to the people who designed the system on top of getting a bigger cut of each game sold. Sony get's their brand strengthened by the exclusive which is important in the beginning of a console race.
>the vast majority of pc gamers dont know where or how to pirate
>go to wendy's
>they don't have a big mac
>"WHAT THE FUCK MCDONALDS THIS IS FUCKING TRASH THEY SHOULD RELEASE THEIR FUCKING RECIPE SO I CAN EAT BIG MACS EVERYWHERE REEEEEEEEEEEEE"
This is what you sound like.
It's relevant because he's helping make a PS4 exclusive too. But I won't post any more, because I have no more never ever images with Taro in them.
But i'm strongly implying it with this image.
so you're admittedly an uncultured swine who doesn't have the capacity to understand the contextual differences between souls and bloodborne. You most likely dont even own the game or did a playthrough without spending any effort to understand the game you were playing.
Please, go back to reddit you faggot and take your unintelligent meme shitposting with you.
Fuck pckeks. who hyped for dlc
Ned Kelly build is a go!
what pc gamers are you talking about? The people who use pc to play games right? not the 12 year olds you see in your local library's computer section. mein gott either you're retarded or im smart as fuck and other pc c-ucks are retarded.
>You should be annoyed that those business deals hurt you as a consumer.
I am. I'm annoyed by a lot of things. But that doesn't mean they should be illegal.
>Don't you want the option to play games on the platform of your choice?
Yes. But that doesn't mean it should be legally mandated.
>As long as companies can make a profit from those platforms, there's little reason to exclude them.
If you can prove me wrong with actual evidence, then go for it, but I'm going to wager that the companies are already doing what they've decided is best for them, financially. That's what companies do. It's why they exist: to make money. You have to assume that a company's actions are in the company's own interest; otherwise, the company wouldn't be doing those things and/or wouldn't be so successful.
As for exclusivity in particular, it works like this:
>game developer makes a good game
>console developer gives developer loads of money for exclusivity
>console developer makes loads of money because people have a good reason to buy the console
It benefits all companies involved. You're saying that they're losing money by making games exclusive. But if that were the case, they wouldn't be fucking doing it.
>Except they also developed Dark Souls 2 with PC as lead platform. That sets a precedent.
1. Lead platform doesnt release later than supposed ports
2. Lead platform doesnt scale to create parity with other platforms
3. Theres a glitch present that is only present when the game is running 60fps
It wasnt lead platform you moron.
Souls series [de,ds1,ds2]
All have a medievil dark fantasy theme. They all share the same combat mechanics, wizards, dungeons and dragons tier characters, story development.The feel and atmosphere of the game is synonymous.
Set in pre-industrial london, victorian themed. Combat mechanics are significantly different, character design and lore is based on lovecraft eldritch god/celestial being tier. The atmosphere of the game is horrific instead of desolation.
Perhaps COD is better suited to your taste?
I'm sure you don't complain about the PC and Microsoft exclusives.
Fuck off. Destiny is multiplatform and it's among the best in fucking players bank accounts over.
Sony has how many exclusives that are AAA? Exactly. The only two that are relevant are The Last of Us and Bloodborne. Killzone used to be amazing until this newest one. Thats about it.
Look faggot, you have no argument other than "I want free shit" "every show should be on Netflix" "Ferrari's should be the same price as Honda Civics"
You are an entitled piece of shit. Using big words on a Chinese Rice Porn forum doesn't change the fact that you're wrong.
Go fuck yourself.
>Publisher wants something
>Publisher tells dev to make thing for them, gives dev team money
>Dev team makes it, gets paid.
>Publisher makes money from thing they paid for.
This is all legal, okay, and morally sound.
thats subjective tbḥ, the point im trying to make though is you should treat it as a new IP, it wasnt supposed to be an extention of the souls series despite whatever mechanics that may overlap.
It still hurts brothers. I will never play this game in my entire life.
PS4 is x86 architecture
PC is x86 archtecture
You can't honestly tell me it wouldn't take some dumb code monkey 5 minutes to whip up and quick and easy patch to allow anyone to pop this PS4 into my uber gaming PC system.
Won't be long now.
Same with Mario Maker and Splatoon. Us sonybros, huh?
>use analouge stick to move forward
>press start to open menu
>press square to heal
>press x to advance the cutscene
If you wasnt to dissassemble the game on that level, it sounds like any game for that matter. While the combat mechanics may not different all that much, the heal/regen syetem, reward system, weapon move sets, pace of combat are all different and need to be taken into account.
>exclusive game that is moving entire systems
>why dont they port it to pc, do they hate money?
yeah like they really need your $5 steam sale cash or people just fucking pirating the game.
>my arguments getting called out
>better start calling the other guy a retard with no reading comprehension
No I was ignoring your point completely.
It's wasn't relevant at all.
> people don't know how to steal
It's not that fucking hard, and it's possible to do.
Shit imagine if it was all packed up nice with an easy install by some kind pirate.
Regardless they have no obligation to give away their shit.
You're a fucking retard.
Did mommy not buy you a PS4 for christmas like you asked?
But it wasn't my argument. The shit you wrote in >>315575637 was totally unrelated to anything in >>315574634. I think you're assuming that everyone who disagrees with you is the same guy.
Most underrated ps4 exclusive is helldivers. That and Bloodborne are the only exclusive ps4 games I really liked.
Everything else is either weebshit or better played elsewhere.
Ladies and Gentlemen, I present to you all:
The "Master Race".
I wonder if Sonyggers and Xwiggers are still pooper penetrated about Bayonetta 2 being forever Nintendo exclusive and the only way it'll go multiplat is if Nintendo allows it.
>TFW Wii U emulation is a thing that's happening now
Nice false falgging nin10yearold.
I own a wiiU, I played the game, it's nothing special, typical platnium beat em up shit, it;s flashy, the dialogue and story is bottom filth tier. The fact that it was on the wiiU actually made the game experience worth but this action game is nothing I would loose a second a sleep over
Maybe because they're a big part of the reason behind their son being such a huge fucking faggot lmao!
I have a Wii U, a 3ds, a ps4, and a gaming PC. Feels so good having diplomatic immunity to shitposters.
>tfw have always had every console plus PC every gen because I actually like video games
>can't discuss them anymore without mountains of shit raining down from the sky
well I can prove I own both and I will say bloodborne is a better game on basically every single level.
I mean you know its a better game when we have daily PC clowns shitposting about it.
The only time I see bayonetta shilling is when nitty faggots try to do these "r-remember me guise" posts and it's hilarious.
I sit with just a PC and a salvaged iPhone. I'm sure PS4 will be emulated some day or that something will happen. I can wait. I stopped buying consoles or dedicated gaming crap with the GameCube.
congrats friend, you have learned how /v/ works. arent you the special snowflake
Will do my impoverished brother. Now if you'll excuse me I'm gonna polish off this $700 bottle of grand cru and play some videogames.
Yeah fuck those people on a public board made for discussing video games for discussing video games... Dirty sons of bitches. I bet they don't even whine about women on an hourly basis!
Get on my level fag :^)
Bayonetta was pretty shit.
There's more and more of faggots like you doint this kind of shit. I'm not sure if it's people my age finally getting results for your work (I'm 27), or just little shits that are new to this place.
If you can afford to save up and buy a 1200 dollar rig. You can save up 500 for a console plus a game.
You and your shitty self entitled 'whycan'tIhavethisthingIdin'tbuy!" attitude is actually ruining the industry
>is proud of a bunch of shovelware weebshit
>criticizes bayo 2 (undisputed GOTY 2014 and game of the gen so far)
People have always posted their collections. They tend to get bored of it after a short time though. I would take pictures of my collection and post them in collection threads or wherever it was relevant whenever I could but I just can't be assed now that I pretty much know what the responses (if any) are going to be.
If you own a Dreamcast, why'd you get the shitty PS2 version of Baldr Force with the awful redone voiceovers? Or you could have just gotten the PC version, since loli obviously isn't illegal wherever you live.
I would rather observe people's horrible financial decisions than listen to the same stale shitposts from last year.
Aren't they releasing Bloodborne: Nightmare Edition to the PC on November 25th?
Explain to me how Sony exclusivity hurts me as a consumer.
I can either buy it, or not.
There's literally nothing there that hurts me. They aren't selling me a service that they can take away. They aren't selling me an incomplete game. They aren't stealing my data or forcing me to buy energy snacks in order to keep playing.
It's a simple buy it or don't.
I have full agency over whether or not to purchase it. My consumer rights have not been violated.
Exclusive content is fucking stupid because that just means you have to buy an entire piece of hardware in order to experience often only 1 or 2 good games.
Console exclusivity just makes certain games cost a ridiculous amount of money. I don't see why it's so great for gaming as a hobby and why it's so great for consumers that Bloodborne costs $460 instead of a normal price like $20.
People act like the PS4 is some luxury item for the upper class. It's fucking $299 from now until christmas with a game. Some retailer will probably have it for $299 with Bloodborne.
If you really want to play it, just buy one. Then sell it if you feel you won't use it. That's what I did and it was totally worth it. Bought one used on cowboom for $270 and bloodborne, then sold them both for $300 on craiglist. Cost me $30 and played through BB twice.
literally miazaki genius
the NPCs who mumble random cryptic bullshit are existential masterpieces of literature
the gameplay is really isn't dumb as fuck
that's just my opinion man
we dont live in a polar realm of physics which is reflected down to the very design of the human psyche
no way man, everything is like an opinion dude
i certainly don't have shit taste for an overhyped stale fighting game
So don't buy it. It's that simple. Your consumer rights at no point are being violated. There is nothing unethical transpiring.
You either buy it, or you don't.
You might as well complain that you have to buy parts for a PC or buy an Xbox or a Playstation or a 3DS or an iPhone to play videogames at all.
>PC gamers constantly boast about the vast selection of titles they have access to, including many exclusives
>Act like entitled children whenever a game isn't released on the PC
I'm not saying that they shouldn't be frustrated by console exclusivity, but the suggestion that it's in any way an unethical business practice is laughable.
why aren't you barking up nintendo's tree? their entire business revolves aren't holding all of their games hostage to their shitty consoles. why don't you make a thread about all those games, instead of ONE fucking sony game???
Your entire mentality and the entire framework of your argument is very retarded. You think I should just be ok with paying $460 for one game and I never will be.
No arguments like saying "but it's only $460!" will ever persuade me to think otherwise. It's a fucking ripoff and I'm not buying it. If they want me to buy it they could be like every other dev and just put it on steam for $20. That is the only way I'm willing to give it a chance. And they would literally lose nothing by putting it on steam; it could only make them money.
So forgive the more intelligent members of the gaming community for feeling compelled to point these facts out.
It's a ripoff and I'm not going to buy it. I guess you can't stand me pointing this out for some reason? Like you can't stand to see Sony criticized or something? And that's a bad analogy.
I just explained this. It's $460 because you have to buy the whole stupid console just to play the game.
No it's not up to the consumer. If it were up to the consumer, I'd have the choice between paying $20 for it on Steam, or paying $460 to play it on the PS4 and be restricted to the shitty dualshock controller.
Why are you deflecting to Nintendo?
Nintendo's console is cheaper and has more games so it's not as bad of a ripoff.
The only affect of the PS4 in relevance to gaming as a whole is that Bloodborne costs $460. I don't see what's so great about making that one game cost so much. Is it some sort of special game that's just so good that people should have to pay extra money for it?
The From fanbase is on Playstation. Always has been, always will be.
The next project after DaS3 is also Sony exclusive.
Sorry to burst your bubble. But hey, Sony has a 3 game deal with From so you'll get your '3 game' rule fulfilled to buy a PS4..
>If they want me to buy it they could be like every other dev and just put it on steam for $20
And why would they? Why would sony lose money so a entitled little bitch like you can play the game for free?
You are very good, is not often some troll can get this many people riled up.
How is it bullshit? They funded and published the game. That's like whining that AMC didn't air Breaking Bad on every single network.
Services offer exclusive deals in every field in order to garner customers. That's how it is. That's competition.
It's not a ripoff. You're just an entitled twat that thinks everything needs to be tailor made to suit your wants because you absolutely have to experience everything you want.
I'm never going to play Bayonetta 2 because I don't see the value in purchasing a Wii U. It doesn't suit me. But I'm not going to bitch and moan about missing out on that experience because I made a decision as a consumer not to purchase it and a Wii U.
You're like someone that goes to a sushi restaurant and gets mad that they don't serve steak.
That's not how it would work out if more games were on PC in general. You act like this game couldn't possibly exist without consoles and it's just not fucking true. Sorry to burst your bubble, but it didn't have to be this way. It is physically possible for the game to have been designed for PC and put on Steam instead. I don't see why it was absolutely required that Sony create the PS4 in order for this game to exist.
>the source code should be made public so it could be ported to other systems by anyone
That's some fucking Katie Hopkins level retardation
Except it is up to the consumer, you can buy the console and Bloodborne, or you can stick to the bevy of PC games.
The bottom line is that game developers are businesses that need to make money, if sticking to a certain platform proves to be more profitable, they're going to do it.
>Ha ha ha! Why should I buy a console? It has no exclusives!
>WHY IS THIS EXCLUSIVE? WHY WHY WHY THAT ACCURSED SONY HAS KEKOLDED ME ONCE AGAIN
You'll figure it out eventually.
Sony paid to help the development of the game, which was probably more beneficial to From than spending more money to port the game to another platform, especially a platform like Steam that often has tiny profit margins for the dev for each game sold
what exactly do you think is good about it?
if you are not amused by the giant bossfight gimmick (such as i am) there really isn't anything left to enjoy, since the game is literally just a hallow gameworld with some ctrl+v enemies all over the place, and literally nothing else
in terms of actual design costs, this is a real low budget game
so what exactly did you like so much about this game?
>wanting generic fromtrash rehash #75984759475
This board has such poor taste.
If you've played one you've played the whole series.
You pc dags wanna know what your missing? You turn into a slug. It's the worst ending this year next to mgsv. What do I mean when I say you turn into a slug? I mean you beat the final boss and then the end cutscene is you turned into a slug. Seriously. There, now shut up.
Do you bitch and whine when a new game requires you to upgrade your PC?
Shouldn't they be required to make the game run on older hardware, and make it looks just as good as if it was on newer hardware?
Why would you support something to unethical?
And the effect of this is that Bloodborne costs $460 because we now have to buy the console to play the game. What's so difficult for you to understand about this? Why don't you understand why some people have caught on to this literal scam and aren't willing to stand for it?
>And why would they?
Um, to make money?
>Why would sony lose money so a entitled little bitch like you can play the game for free?
I don't care about Sony, they aren't necessary. From could have made the game and put it on Steam for $20, which according to you is $0.
>You are very good, is not often some troll can get this many people riled up.
Yeah I'm a "troll" even though I'm proving everything you guys are saying wrong and making you look like fucking idiots and you can't come up with good rebuttals. Sure. Says a lot about your mentality, clearly I'm the one who needs to be persuaded here, you can't possibly be wrong even though again you can't actually refute anything I'm saying.
>It's not a ripoff. You're just an entitled twat that thinks everything needs to be tailor made to suit your wants because you absolutely have to experience everything you want.
>I'm never going to play Bayonetta 2 because I don't see the value in purchasing a Wii U. It doesn't suit me. But I'm not going to bitch and moan about missing out on that experience because I made a decision as a consumer not to purchase it and a Wii U.
>You're like someone that goes to a sushi restaurant and gets mad that they don't serve steak.
You are really god damn stupid. I've been posting on /v/ for almost 8 years and this is probably one of the weakest arguments and just outright most unintelligent arguments I've ever seen. Not a good analogy at all, and just like Bloodborne, Bayonetta 2 should be on PC for $20 instead of making people buy a Wii U to play it. Funny how you dismiss this as "bitching" and "moaning" when it would literally benefit everyone except Nintendo.
>Sony paid to help the development of the game
Did you even read the post you replied to? Sony and the PS4 were not necessary for Bloodborne to have existed. They could have just made it for PC and put it on Steam to begin with like they should have.
Some people don't want to pay $460 for one game. Get over it.
because bringing up nintendo is absolutely valid. everything they do is literally ok with you fucks. you will fight tooth and nail to defend their shit, and even make fun of other platforms for not doing the same (like making exclusives) UNTIL they do, and THEN it's waaah why did they actually come out with exclusives I want it's not fair!!!
fuck you retard. stay salty forever. pc will NEVER EVER get bloodborne.
Nigga I've beaten Demons and Dark and they are nearly the exact same game. BB is just Dark Souls faster with no shields, and DSII is just a terrible video game in general.
There's absolutely no reason to play any From game beyond your first one.
From has more Sony exclusives in the pipeline. It's 'one game' now...'two' next year....how many is it going to take? Let me guess, you'll hold out for the PC ports sometime in the year 3000
Money comes from nowhere and every developer has infinite reserves of money, time, and staff! They do everything for free out of the goodness of their hearts because there is an unlimited supply of resources available to make games out of nothing.
Looks like you didn't know that most games can be played on PCs from the mid - late 00s easily.
When a dev makes a game that uses all the latest stuff, the sales suffer because then only the people that have all that stuff and are willing to pay for all that stuff will buy the game - And it's not as if all of them will even buy it. I'll bet you've never even thought about this.
Just stop, like obviously a big chunk of this game went straight over your head, I suggest replaying it from the start and actually investing yourself into the game and understanding what's going on.
So why do you support it then dumbass? Are you Nintendo? No you're just a guy who sucks Nintendo's cock.
They could have made the game on PC and put it on Steam. Nintendo and the Wii U weren't actually necessary. What don't you fucking understand about that retard?
Holy shit I think this thread is killing me. My head hurts and I don't think I can look a human in the eye.
sony CO created and CO developed the game. co developed as in sony employees (japan studios) actually, physically worked on the game. it wasn't just paid for by sony, you whiny fuck.
also, we don't need nintendo consoles for ANY of their games either, yet you're ok with THEIR locked down hardware, right? because it's ok when nintendo hordes games.
>If you've played one you've played the whole series.
Thats such a great argument, if you played one rpg you played them all, if you played a stealth game you playet them all, if you played a fps you played them all.
I think its time for you to leave.
>to this literal scam
What is the scam? That in order to play some software, you need to have the hardware to do it?
Is having to buy a DVD player in order to watch a DVD a scam?
From has already been paid for making the game. The people that get the majority of the money from sales are the publisher, in this case, Sony. Sony would like this game that they published to also help sell their console. This way they can get paid twice. They would actually lose out on money by having the game on other systems, as the game no longer helps to build their customer base as well as it used to.
Bayonetta 2 is on the WiiU for the exact same reason, to help it increase it's consumer base (and lord knows Nintendo needed it) Nintendo would, again, lose more money in the long run by allowing it on other systems.
god you guys are so entitled. WAHHHHHH
Why don't you ask a friend to play Bloodborne on his PS4 instead of bitching about it here? After you're done with it you will realize it wasn't the best thing in the world and move on.
The fast paced combat is a nice departure from the previous formula.
Enemies are visually interesting and they are not really repeated all that much.
There are enough bosses of varying sizes to keep each boss fight different in its own way.
They could only make money by putting it on PC so you're an idiot.
No it's $460 because you have to buy the PS4 to play it.
You guys are so fucking stupid for not understanding these arguments. What are your IQs?
If you want hugbox there's always reddit senpai.
Except it's absolutely correct. The series hasn't done anything remotely innovative since Demons ----> Dark Souls I
They've been on cruise control ever since.
>it has a name and lore and don't call it a slug! Video games are serious business!
It's a slug
> They could have made the game on PC and put it on Steam
With what money? Who's investing? Who's publishing? Where are they getting their resources to make the game?
How fucking stupid are you?
Are you retarded? The first souls game was made by them so it doesn't matter if they made another IP that is similar to the series, they're both techniically still their IPs lmao.
>can't make a game because you don't have enough money to do it
>JUST PUT THE NONEXISTING GAME ON PC AND MAKE THE MONEY
Enough, it's time to end my life.
If I don't give a detailed plan as if I'm in charge of the marketing department at From, will you act like you proved me wrong and have a really good point of some sort? The bottom line is the PS4 and Sony were not necessary. You cannot actually refute that. It is perfectly possible for this game to have existed on the PC, and that's how it should have been done for the sake of the consumers, From, and for gaming as a hobby.
The whole point was to give the PS4 artificial value by giving it an artificial exclusive, which forces people who want to play the game to buy the console in order to play the game.
>Is having to buy a DVD player in order to watch a DVD a scam?
You have some balls bringing up DVD players, I'll give you that. Because now I'm going to make the analogy that console exclusivity would be like if there were 3 companies that made different DVD players and some movies were exclusive to each DVD player. So if you want to watch all the movies that come out, you have to buy all 3 DVD players.
If you support console exclusivity but don't claim to support that, then you're a hypocrite.
>timestamp or gtfo
Yeah, I'm gonna put in all that effort to appease some Fromdrone on /v/.
The games are solid, don't get me wrong. 8.5-9/10s in fact, but they're honestly the most overrated games on /v/ because of memes, le hardcore difficulty XD meme, and the fact it's made in Japan because of all of the delusional weebs on here.
If any western developer made Dark Souls they would be called lazy for the minimalist approach. Double standards out the ass desu.
You guys don't have a good point because you're just acting like because I don't have a specific, detailed plan as if I'm the head of marketing at From, that means my argument must be invalid.
The burden of proof is upon you guys to prove that the PS4 and Sony were required in order for Bloodborne to exist. The fact of the matter is that the game could have and should have been on PC instead. You cannot get around that fact. You can beat around the bush, change the subject, etc. but that fact alone will never be undermined by anything you say and it debunks your entire position.
>If I don't give a detailed plan as if I'm in charge of the marketing department at From, will you act like you proved me wrong and have a really good point of some sort?
Well until you provide a counter point, I'm going to assume that you don't have an explanation as to how From would be able to pay to develop a game for the PC beyond "It just works!"
A better analogy would be DVD's versus Blu-Ray, actually, since these things already physically cannot be played on the other's readers.
Are blu-rays a scam as well? are DVDs?
It doesn't matter if I support it or not, there's nothing illegal about any of it, there's nothing unethical about any of it, and there's no the companies should change it if they deem it more profitable to themselves to keep doing it that way. The only reason you're giving is that you want to play it so these companies should be FORCED to do give away their products, or let other people steal them.
>Console exlusivity isn't something you support, it's something you tolerate.
Oh? Because before, you guys were acting like it's fucking awesome and I should be ok with it
>Because the alternative would be not playing games.
No, I've been playing games on my PC and I get to play all the games I want. I'm not even interested in Bloodborne and I could just play it at my friend's house if I really wanted. I don't know if you guys assumed I'm OP or something, but I just don't like the idea of this game being a PS4 exclusive because I think it's fucking stupid.
If people would just stop buying consoles and supporting this scam against gamers, games would be on PC and cost $20 instead of $460.
>The burden of proof is upon you guys to prove that the PS4 and Sony were required in order for Bloodborne to exist.
What is there to prove aside from the fact that sony paid for bloodborne, no money from sony no bloodborne end of story, thats all there is to it.
If sony paid for bloodborne they can do whatever they want with it.
>exclusives are now artificial value
Sooo nintendo consoles are complete shit then, by subsisting on nothing but exclusives right? You can't fucking condone one company for doing something while damning another for doing the same thing (or alternatively, making fun of them for NOT doing it).
That's the definition of hypocrisy you fucking faggot.
The fact that Bloodborne exists in the form that it does means that Sony and the PS4 were required. If it proved to be more lucrative for From to ignore Sony, pay for development themselves and release the game on PC, why would they not do it?
Jesus Christ, I'm almost as a big a retard as you are for responding to these dumb arguments.
>provethat the PS4 and Sony were required to make Bloodborne
Sony paid for and developed it. They paid for and developed it specifically for the system they had also made, the Playstation 4. Without the Playstation 4, Sony, who paid for and developed Bloodborne, would not have paid for and developed Bloodborne. The game would have no reason to exist without Sony talking with From Software, and offering to foot the bill and provide workers to make the game.
>If people would just stop buying consoles and supporting this scam against gamers, games would be on PC and cost $20 instead of $460.
No you fucking faggot, there would be almost no new games because pc users are pirating fuckers, there is tons of devs who have come out and said that without consoles there would be no new games because pc sales are not enough to keep the company afloat.
>tfw i actually do have a qt jewjew gf
Gotta love double standards
>Nintendo does this with Monster Hunter, Fatal Frame, Shin Megami Tensei, and it's perfectly ok
>Sony makes an exclusive with From Soft and everyone shits their pants in anger
>A better analogy would be DVD's versus Blu-Ray, actually, since these things already physically cannot be played on the other's readers.
>Are blu-rays a scam as well? are DVDs?
This is a terrible analogy because there aren't a new set of 3 DVD players every 5 years. The original analogy was good, and you should support that concept if you support console exclusivity.
From didn't need to use Sony, they chose to. The PS4 and Sony weren't necessary. Why do you still not understand this?
You're the one who brought up Nintendo moron. And see: >>315581587
I think they could have done it some other, better way. The PS4 and Sony weren't necessary. The PS4 must be REALLY strong the way you're talking. Maybe I'll end up getting one after all. It must be stronger than any PC, because you just can't grasp the idea of the game existing on the PC and being able to be played on the PC. The PS4 is just so much stronger than the PC I guess that the PC isn't capable of playing Bloodborne.
Oh and by the way, the load times would be almost instant if the game was on PC instead. You guys love those long loading times I guess since you're ok with them and paid $460 to make sure load times that long would continue existing.
It's artificial because they did it just to sell the PS4. I shouldn't have to buy the PS4 to play the game.
>The fact that Bloodborne exists in the form that it does
Stopped reading right there. It doesn't need to exist in the form that it does right now. It could have lower loading times, it could cost $20, it could have better graphics, and you could be able to play it with whatever controller you want. If they can't meet those standards and if it costs $460 for an inferior version of the game, then I'm not interested. They're only hurting themselves by not appealing to the people like me.
pappy winkle only sells for a couple hundred at a store...the rest is just the black market mark up from retards who think it is cool to buy
yeah man that combat is so fast paced n shit
its totally complex
its not simple at all, its definitely not a simple ass repetitive J-shit combat which is not distinctive or noteworthy in any way and would better suite a PS2 game
bloodborne is genuinely a good game man, which has not been overhyped by neogaf shills on /v/
totally legit bro
>From didn't need to use Sony
Yeah because FROM makes games for free right?
nigga this is LA not kentucky or some shit. This shit is hard as hell to find over here and no one fucking wants to ship this anywhere.
desu senpai I should have resold it for more
I do feel it's pretty straight forward. I don't know why the guy doesn't get it.
Consider Bayonetta 2. Same deal. Kamiya shopped the game around to many publishers, Nintendo was the only company that paid for it. Would not have the game if it wasn't for Nintendo. If Nintendo had said no it would forever sit in some concept folder. If nobody wanted Bayo 2 today, they sure as fuck wouldn't want it in ten, twenty years.
>It could have lower loading times, it could cost $20, it could have better graphics, and you could be able to play it with whatever controller you want.
It could, but how could From afford to release such a game without support from a big publisher like Sony?
>If they can't meet those standards and if it costs $460 for an inferior version of the game, then I'm not interested.
Then, as a consumer, you've made a considered decision not to buy the product. That should be the end of it.
>They're only hurting themselves by not appealing to the people like me.
I can't imagine why they're not fronting development costs themselves and selling their games for $20.
The PS4 and Sony were not required. They could have put it on the PC / Steam for $20.
You mean Rockstar? That shitty auto-aim company that has been making the same drive around and shoot people game for a decade now?
Not only are you ignorant assertions about piracy on PC not true, but there are studies showing that pirates consume more media that non-pirates anyway. I'm sure that blows your mind and I'll have to hear all your ignorant rhetoric, assumptions, and defense mechanisms about it.
Because everyone owns a PC and it's a much better and cheaper investment than consoles if you know what you're doing. You don't have to buy a new PC every 5 years.
>you brought up nintendo
I know, and I replied to that post. i've yet to see a legit answer, as their console being SLIGHTLY cheaper doesn't justify needing to buy it to play their held hostage games, which would look and play better as multiplats on stronger hardware.
so in essence, it's literally ok for nintendo to hoard games.
>The PS4 is just so much stronger than the PC I guess that the PC isn't capable of playing Bloodborne.
Ok nice try now it's too obvious. When the fuck did I say anything about the PS4? I just said they make games for a publisher and the platform the publisher wants because they foot the bill you dumb shit.
Pretty much. I'm not going to pretend that console exclusivity is good because it isn't, but some games simply wouldn't exist without those exclusivity agreement and that would be even worse.
I don't think this person understands that businesses need a flow of cash to operate and that you need a lot of cash to develop, license and distribute a game.
Can anyone give me a good Chikage build so I can be ready for the expansion?
Nobody said or implied such a thing you massive fucking idiot. You act like they couldn't have possibly made money off of the game had it not been for Sony and no intelligent person is buying this rhetoric of yours.
You have to play the game on something. Might as well be the best thing with the most options, the most and best games, the cheapest games, the ability to use whatever controller you want, free online service (aside from your internet bill if you want to count that), easier / better / more mods, better texture quality, higher resolutions, better and more stable frame rates, etc.
But no you want a toned down, overpriced version of all of this for some reason.
>It could, but how could From afford to release such a game without support from a big publisher like Sony?
I don't know because I don't work for the company. Can you prove that it's impossible? I think it definitely would have been possible.
>Then, as a consumer, you've made a considered decision not to buy the product. That should be the end of it.
No, I'm going to continue standing up for the rights of others. And just because I'm not interested in Bloodborne, nor was I really interested in any gen 7 exclusives, that doesn't mean that this won't affect me at some point.
>I can't imagine why they're not fronting development costs themselves and selling their games for $20.
They could sell it for $60 and the amount of people who bought it would have bought it, or they could sell it for $20 and 3 times as many people will buy it. It's arbitrary and it doesn't make a difference. It's just that one allows more people to play the game.
>using boring cheap weapons
Just use a weapon from the expansion you negroid.
I loved DeS, DaS and even played a lot more pvp and had mad fun with DaS II cause better connections, on PC and ps3.
Bloodborne was the reason I got a Ps4, but Disgaea is an old autistic buddy and I will give it a try, played the fist for 5000 hours.
Also a far better system for playing that normie games with your lads like sports and fightan.
Do you think the new FF will be any good ? 13 was the worse fucking FF I ever played, it was dogshit.
Anon, please spoil that image, that VN destroyed me.
Sony actually was required because their in-house development studio (Japan Studio) helped make it. The game would not exist in its current form without their input.
You keep saying this as if BB is the only game the PS4 has or ever will have
Also if you can't find a PS4 for $300 or less you're a goddamn moron.
It's a pretty boring build since you're mostly going to rely on your guns and the Chikage's trick mode for major damage, but that's BLT in a nutshell. Hopefully the expansion gives BLT some more toys to play around with.
>You act like they couldn't have possibly made money off of the game
What game? I'm talking about the money invested to DEVELOP the game you inbred retard.
The game could have existed on PC / Steam for $20. Nothing you say can prove that wrong.
Nintendo makes more and better games than Sony and their consoles are cheaper, so it's still a scam, but it's not as big of a ripoff as $460 for one game.
Do the math. Most people agree that the Wii U has 5-10 good games, that's $300 for the console, assume 5 games for $60, that's $120 per game as opposed to $460 per game. No wonder more people are willing to tolerate it when Nintendo does it. Surprise, if you make more and better games than the competition more people will like you.
Already debunked this countless times and won't be responding to it again.
>When the fuck did I say anything about the PS4?
What kind of a statement is this? The game is on the PS4 so it's no surprise it would come up. You seem really stupid. Did I trigger you by saying PS4 or something?
Bloodborne was a console exclusive, and a good one too. Now this shit is a real example.
RIP Living Legends ;_;
>in its current form
I guess you haven't caught on to this, even after I specifically addressed this, but I don't care about the game "in its current form". The game could have had better loading times, it could have been cheaper, you could play it with whatever controller you want, better visuals, etc. That's how I want the game to be, and if it instead is $460 for an inferior version of what I just described then obviously I'm not interested.
I'm not OP, and I'm not interested in Bloodborne. Just a guy proving all you stupid little kids wrong, that's all.
>I don't know because I don't work for the company. Can you prove that it's impossible? I think it definitely would have been possible.
The fact that From went down the route of doing a deal with Sony to get the game released should speak for itself. A big game like Bloodborne would have cost a lot of money to make, more money than a company with 200-ish employees like From could afford.
>No, I'm going to continue standing up for the rights of others
The "others" being the other people that have made informed decisions to purchase or not purchase a games console?
>They could sell it for $60 and the amount of people who bought it would have bought it, or they could sell it for $20 and 3 times as many people will buy it. It's arbitrary and it doesn't make a difference. It's just that one allows more people to play the game.
I don't think you understand how businesses work, anon.
>I don't think this person understands that businesses need a flow of cash to operate and that you need a lot of cash to develop, license and distribute a game.
Most people don't understand how a business is run - that's a sheer depressing fact. Probably because they've never been exposed to the realities of it. That's why they talk about "fairness" and shit but don't realize that they themselves work at a job where their salary/wage that allows them to make a living most likely comes at the cost to some poor fucker they don't even see or know.
I think about this every time I see some old faggot yell at some poor kid at a retail job about how high prices are not realizing two things: one, the rock-bottom prices of other things are subsidized by the rock-bottom wages of the kid you're yelling at and two, that kid you're yelling at has no goddamn say in what the prices are - there probably isn't a person in the building that has that control.
It's one of the worst things to come out of the 60s/70s. It created a generation of people who think bitching at some low-level person and their manager gets shit done. It worked then when we had small businesses. Now the small businesses are all fucking dead or struggling because those SAME people bitching decided to shop at big box stores for low prices and are still bitching about the price of goods though they don't realize their prices are probably subsidized by dogshit retail-slave wages and third-world exploitation.
Thanks for reading my blog.
It's a Chikage build. Where else are they going to invest their stats into? Unless you're shooting (heh) for a specific level, you might as well just dump everything into health. It's a very valuable stat, after all.
>Already debunked this countless times
>The game could have existed on PC / Steam for $20.
But it doesn't, because, and this is the important part, THE PEOPLE THAT MADE THE GAME DIDN'T WANT IT TO BE. They wanted to make it for a specific system, because that's actually easier to do than to make a multiplatform game, or a straight up PC game. They know exactly the hardware they are working with, they know exactly how long it takes for everything to happen, they know exactly how much power is needed for everything. It makes the production that much cheaper, and faster, and allows them to focus on other non-technical things, like gameplay, visuals, themes and story.
>They could sell it for $60 and the amount of people who bought it would have bought it, or they could sell it for $20 and 3 times as many people will buy it.
Wow, OP! Stellar business model! Sony and From should just quit so you can redo all their finances.
>The fact that From went down the route of doing a deal with Sony to get the game released should speak for itself. A big game like Bloodborne would have cost a lot of money to make, more money than a company with 200-ish employees like From could afford.
I still don't see why Sony was necessary. They could have done it in some other way.
>The "others" being the other people that have made informed decisions to purchase or not purchase a games console?
Others being the people who don't want to have to pay $460 for games they want to play. It's just fucking stupid, and just because it isn't technically illegal or immoral doesn't mean people should just be ok with it. If someone actually cares about gaming as a hobby they wouldn't support this concept.
>I don't think you understand how businesses work, anon.
I don't think you understand how reality works, anon. They could have made the game a million other ways on a variety of other platforms and it could have turned out better. I don't see why this game needed to be on the PS4 so that it would cost $460 for the good of gaming and to the great delight of consumers apparently.
>people saving my collection and shitposting with it
I don't know what to feel
Uh, I prefer no H scenes when I play my games, and I didn't mind the voices at all so I just went with PS2
CONSOLES ARE DYING YOU FUCKING MORONS
THE FUTURE IS ON STEAM
I work for a bank and I've heard the same from people behind the counter that actually sell the products. People come in and complain that "You made X amount of profit last year, why can't you give me a better deal?" when that person behind the counter has know say in what the rates are, never mind that changing the rate by even a minuscule amount would make it impossible for the company to make any kind of a profit at all.
Some people just think that they have a god-given right to have whatever they want, at the price they want and on the platform they want. Companies like From Software will try to take as many measures as possible to make their customers (or potential customers) happy, but at the end of the day, they're a business and what makes the most people happy isn't always what's the most financially viable.
I proved this wrong. Guess you didn't read any of my posts.
I like how you asked this because you didn't think I'd bother to actually refer you to the posts.
>But it doesn't, because, and this is the important part, THE PEOPLE THAT MADE THE GAME DIDN'T WANT IT TO BE. They wanted to make it for a specific system, because that's actually easier to do than to make a multiplatform game, or a straight up PC game. They know exactly the hardware they are working with, they know exactly how long it takes for everything to happen, they know exactly how much power is needed for everything. It makes the production that much cheaper, and faster, and allows them to focus on other non-technical things, like gameplay, visuals, themes and story.
I don't care about anything you just said. The game could have and should have been on Steam for $20. Some people don't want to pay $460 for the game.
Maybe next year. So far the only VN I'm buying is S;G 0 for the
I'll pre-order Dies on Vita though
They could have put it on Steam for $20, it would have better visuals, a more consistent frame rate, you could use whatever controller you want, more easily mod the game, etc.
Why don't you want that?
You know what, man? You're right. Fuck all these assholes in the thread. You shouldn't need to buy expensive equipment to enjoy something.
Needing an XBone for Halo 5? Fuck that.
Needing a WiiU for Bayo2? Fuck that!
Needing a breathing mask to go scuba diving? Fuck that!! You don't need that shit.
Just go jump in the fucking ocean and scuba dive without it, man. Take all the time you fucking need. You should just stop breathing for a few minutes.
>make more and better games than the competition more people will like you
oh is that why the wiiu is practically dead? all these supposed people who liked them sure didn't show it with their wallets.
the reason is, more people think the way I do in that they're the biggest scammers of all and treat them accordingly.
>Why don't you want that?
Gee it's almost like the Souls fanbase was killed by the PC port!
People always think there's another way but can't present a framework.
That's why it's so easy to bitch. You can speak out against an obvious injustice but most people and observers don't put the burden on those who bitch to create an improved system.
This is one of my favorite lines of discussion. Someone complains about a problem in government: state, municipal, federal, doesn't matter. The problem is almost always lack of funding. I tell them the solution is higher taxes or stealing from some other funding and they immediately shut up. And if they don't shut up I bring up something way more important and broken than their private crusade and then say that I'm going to steal out of their pet project to make healthcare better.
They think money is so fucking free.
Who are you running from?
>I proved this wrong. Guess you didn't read any of my posts
I did, you only proved how retarded you are.
>I don't see why this game needed to be on the PS4 so that it would cost $460 for the good of gaming and to the great delight of consumers apparently.
From Software are a BUSINESS, they're not there to make as many people as possible happy, they're there to make a PROFIT.
I'm beginning to think that your gripe isn't with Sony, From or Bloodborne at all, you just don't seem to understand how capitalism works at a very basic level.
>they could have made the game for PC with the money that they would get from putting the game on PC.
That is what you've posted over and over again.
Someone had to pay for the game to be made, and one of their demands was that the game by made for them.
It's like going to a contractor, and asking them to build a gazebo. I am paying them to build this gazebo in my back yard, I even tell the contractor that, since I'm also a contractor I will help them build it. But then this whiny bastard comes up and starts bitching that they can't use my gazebo because I want it put in my back yard. Well fuck that guy, I paid for my gazebo, I get to say what is done with it.
>I still don't see why Sony was necessary. They could have done it in some other way.
It wasn't required you moron. They could have went with Microsoft or Valve or literally anyone else but they chose Sony because that's who they felt comfortable with and who paid them the most. That's literally how business works.
>Others being the people who don't want to have to pay $460 for games they want to play. It's just fucking stupid, and just because it isn't technically illegal or immoral doesn't mean people should just be ok with it. If someone actually cares about gaming as a hobby they wouldn't support this concept.
So what about Halo? Or Super Smash Bros? Or literally any other exclusive game? Should everything be available on every console? Great idea OP, so that way when all the companies sell the same shit at the same prices they can just merge and REALLY gouge the shit out of us.
I don't think you understand how reality works, anon. They could have made the game a million other ways on a variety of other platforms and it could have turned out better. I don't see why this game needed to be on the PS4 so that it would cost $460 for the good of gaming and to the great delight of consumers apparently.
>I don't think you understand how reality works, anon. They could have made the game a million other ways on a variety of other platforms and it could have turned out better.
>on a variety of other platforms and it could have turned out better.
>turned out better.
Sure, if they had a development time that was literally 5 times as large as the one they went with and, consequently, had 5 times the amount of money they spent on development.
Seriously OP, are you even thinking before you type or are you just hoping your mouth diarrhea will spontaneously form a cohesive argument?
so going by your retarded logic, in regards to nintendo
>make more exclusives
>it's ok to hoard games
but for sony it's
>they get one
>WAAAH NOT FUCKING FAIR I WANT THAT ONE I DON'T WNNA BUY CONSOLE FOR ONE GAME!!!
So if sony makes MORE exclusives, what then? Will bloodborne magically be justified as a ps4 exclusive, or would people cry about sony getting more exclusives, when people made fun of them for not having any?
How EXACTLY can sony win in the eyes of you fucking retards? what could sony do exactly, to get into the same safe zone as nintendo? the same, it's ok when nintendo does it zone? please tell us.
Is this all an elaborate troll? Surely this anon isn't really this retarded. But he's spent too much time into typing all sorts of paragraphs to individuals. I guess some people are truly retarded
>i don't care about the game in it's current form
then shut the fuck up already. it's the only form that's relevant, because it's the only one that exists.
any hypothetical version of the game is irrelevant because for all you know, it's the sony devs that made the game good in the first place. and this theory has weight because the two games sony devs had a direct hand in, demons souls and bloodborne, are considered the best in the series.
your shitty 20 dollar version could have been horseshit. you are literally complaining about an alternate reality you know nothing about.
you are the ultimate fucking retard.
I kind of hope that it is just a really dedicated troll, I'd lose any hope I had left for humanity if this is a real person that actually thinks there's anything resembling logic to what they're suggesting.
Consoles in general are dying and the Wii U isn't that far behind the PS4 realistically. Say whatever you want but most people agree with me which is why consoles are dying and why you can't come up with a valid rebuttal to anything I've said. People are waking up to the fact that consoles are ripoff and they're not putting up with it anymore.
So your true colors come out now. It's all about elitism and wanting to feel like you have a special toy that the "inferior" kids aren't allowed to play with. GG Sonyggers. GG once again.
>Who are you running from?
An irrelevant point? Just make the point you were going to make. Or was your point that no self-published games exist?
>I did, you only proved how retarded you are.
That's interesting you fucking retard, the post you quoted proved you wrong.
You act like they wouldn't have made money had it not been for Sony. I can see how it would have been possible. Dare I say they could have made more money in some other way. No no that's a little bit too triggering for the Sonyggers. Just forget I said it, you guys can't handle that concept.
>so going by your retarded logic, in regards to nintendo
It's not the same thing and you're deflecting.
Question - Why is Sony never responsible for their own actions according to you? Why is Nintendo "secretly responsible" for Sony's decisions? I wasn't aware that Sony was just a sub-unit of Nintendo.
>then shut the fuck up already. it's the only form that's relevant, because it's the only one that exists.
So we've gotten to the part of the argument where you run out of things to say and basically tell me to just accept it.
To which my response is no, I will not accept it, it's fucking stupid and I'm going to continue criticizing this stupid business practice that damages my hobby when I see it.
Yeah, but who will pay for all that FROM employees manhours when the game is in development, dumbass? Early access money? Kickstarter? Or, would you prefer that every good games are getting funded by corporate giants like EA who are big enough that they can see return in developing a niche game in a multiple platform at once while also marketing it to literally everyone?
Use your brain, faggot.
A major problem is that we no longer can tell the customer they're wrong. Because they're always fucking wrong.
You work for a large corporation, I do too. The people who interact with the customer should be able to tell them to fuck off. "If you don't like what we do here you're welcome to pay a premium at some small business to suck your dick. Because those "profits" we made are actually being burned to please people like you and I just got the word from up on high that we don't need to tolerate you wasting their out time about what you saw on the evening news. You want the personal touch go pay for it."
But they won't go pay for it. They don't want to patronize a small business. They don't actually care about fairness and how hard small businesses have to work to provide the same product we provide.
All they want is a fucking great deal. And that's what we offer. And let's be honest, that great deal that comes with economies of scale means that you have to deal with us, a soulless corporation that doesn't give a fuck about your idea of fairness. And I'm just pissed these idiot customers don't understand that, that there is no possible way to give the lowest price with personalized service.
They never shop local, they never help small businesses, they don't understand that every dollar they spend with us leaves the community to feed some shareholder on a yacht. They don't care that more of the dollar spent with a small business stays in the community and in turn probably feeds them. Because they're all ignorant and the only world that exists is their own and getting a deal.
I like how you guys are saying shit like this when anyone can re-read the thread and clearly see that I proved all of your idiotic notions wrong and you ran out of things to say. I won the debate. But no, no, I'm just a "troll", so even though you couldn't come up with a rebuttal to what I said and you feel insecure about it, don't worry, you don't have to actually think about it or consider the possibility that you're wrong. Just plug your ears and go "LALALA, I CAN'T HEAR YOU"
Haha :p I'd literally kill myself if I was one of you pathetic little fuck-ups who feels the need to support these shitty companies and their $460 scam. I'm glad I'm just a normal human being who can see that it's a ripoff and I don't have to do all these mental gymnastics like you guys do to convince myself that this shit is ok.
I'm not deflecting, you aren't answering valid questions. and wtf does sony being responsible for their actions have to do with anything? wtf are you even talking about? I'm just pointing out your retardation.
>consoles are dying
In your dreams kid. Not only do consoles lead in software sales, but ps4 is outpacing the fucking ps2 currently.
so uh, you ain't playing bloodborne anytime soon kid. get fucked.
>you act like they wouldn't have made money without Sony.
No, he's saying they wouldn't have made the game without Sony.
The fact that From Software didn't do what you keep on saying they could have easily done is some testament to the fact that they could not, especially if it really could have made them more money to self publish in this way. From Software is a company that wants to make good games, and wants to make a profit from making them. If they could have gotten more money for making their good game they most certainly would have gone that route.
You are saying that From Software is both financially dependent on Sony, thus allowing Sony to hold a game "hostage", and financially independent enough that they could come up with the same amount of money and self publish the game.
>they could sell it for $20 and 3 times as many people would buy it
OR WHAT IF:
They sell it for $1.
AND 60 TIMES AS MANY PEOPLE BUY IT??
Or maybe they sell it for a penny.
And THE WHOLE WORLD buys it!?!
>Or was your point that no self-published games exist?
Yup, unless we're talking about no-budget games like Yume Nikki.
>the post you quoted proved you wrong
No. There point still stands, nobody paid FROM to make a game for PC. They literally had no way to do it.
>No, he's saying they wouldn't have made the game without Sony.
Could've n' should've
You guys lost the debate, leaving the thread now.
>I won the debate
you've repeated the same phrase ad nauseum, and provided no real evidence of how your chant could feasibly work in real life. You have convinced no one that your point of view is correct.
can you not read? I didn't say it was outselling it, you stupid fuck. I said outpacing it, relative to the sales ps2 had a the two-ish year mark of it's lifetime.
You obviously needed to say in school.
Anon... you've solved the problem that businesses have faced since the dawn of civilisation.
I bought a PS4 just to play Bloodborne. I got about a hundred hours out of the game. I don't own any other PS4 games. Played PT, doesn't really count.
Point is, I actually paid $460 to play Bloodborne and I knew that from the get-go before I even did it. That works out to approximately $4.60 per hour of entertainment. That may sound stupid, but I can't get my dick sucked at that rate. I can barely go to the movies at that rate. And every subsequent game I buy for the PS4 will only improve that rate. Not to mention the hours of fun I had talking with my friends about the game.
I honestly feel I got a good deal paying $460 for a single game. Do you know how much 72 hours of ski trip costs? Way fucking more than $460 dollars man.
saying you won the debate is a huge red flag. I would prefer to believe that you are NOT the guy we've been arguing with, because that guy isn't lazy enough to just say, haha I won. That guy fought the good fight, regardless of how wrong I think he is.
YOU on the other hand, can fuck right off.
You're going to need to criticize ski trips as a rip off then. Or going to the movies. Or eating out. Or the people who travel anywhere.
Gaming, even buying a console just to play a single game, is one of the cheapest forms of recreation around.
I like how you derive false confidence just because you're in the faux-majority right now, when in actuality you're just a vocal minority. Most people agree with what I've said in this thread but didn't bother replying because I hit the nail right on the head with every single one of my posts and nothing else needed to be said.
Consoles are dying and you stupid little kids won't get to shitpost idiotic ideas like the ones you've presented in this thread. Because gaming won't be like this for much longer. Enjoy it while it lasts.
None of those things are analogous.