Did they even attempt to balance smash 4?
>Bike is spammable and makes Wario the size of a fucking atom and breaks sheilds and KOs and is one of the best recovery move in the game
>Every aerial breaks combos
>Le balanced OHKO fart
>Every move KOs
>Frame 1 command grab
>Best aerial mobility in the game after jiggs
Why is this allowed?
because Wario is bottom tier and nobody will ever git gud enough with him for it to make a difference.
>getting hit by the bike
my neurons simply react too fast for that shit to work on me.
Honestly, I find more use in eating the bike parts for slight healing and giving him more gas than ramming. Anyone not asleep can see Wario's fat ass on his motorcycle coming a mile away and punish accordingly.
literally git gud. My advice is to watch a video on a good fighter and learn the tricks to playing him/her. For example, you can kill most of the cast at 100% as roy as long as you grab them, then follow it up with a down throw + up B
>complaining about fucking Wario of all characters
lmaoing at you're life
>Every move KOs
>only decent kill moves are side smash
>has crazy amount of start up lag
>Bike wheelie slam
>takes forever to set up and impossible to land on any decent player
>Eating a bomb
>eating an explosive item makes Wario explode and if anyone is touching him they get blown away
>literally impossible to land and kills at 90
>1 minute to charge
>only good reliable KO move
>Just fast fall Dair then half waft at 80% for the stock.
>everything else doesnt KO til 130% and has crazy start up lag so Wario relies heavily on set ups and your opponent making mistakes
on a side note, post your Wario replays for me me to watch.
Once again, that is irrelevant to the argument that you brought up
Party games make it to EVO and that's that, also Melee hasn't been in EVO consistently since 2007
>Cry more FGC baby and keep to your SF2 clones
Funny thing is that I've played more smash Melee or Brawl alone in my life than I have played fighting games combined and I still don't consider Smash fighting games
also, Yoshi has better air mobility than Wario.
goddamn OP you have no idea what you're talking about.
If Wario's Uair KO'd 15% earlier, and the tip of his Dtilt tripped, he'd be the most balanced character in Sm4sh.
>Best aerial mobility in the game after jiggs
according to http://kuroganehammer.com/Smash4/AirSpeed anyway.
IIRC his air speed was nerfed from brawl.
>people call it a party game like it were a bad thing
>yfw a party game remains more fun, accesible, yet at the same time more complex (free movement, DI, %) than "real fighting games"
>implying /v/'s good at street fighter anyways
feels good man
>"Let's make a character who has very favorable hitboxes, insane priority, and an immunity to grabs and projectiles."
>"Mr. Sakurai, that doesn't sound very balanced."
>"Oh, but we'll make them light and have a shitty final smash."
>"Sir, I don't thin-"
>"HAVE YOU EVER MADE A GAME?!"
>The important part is people can play their favorite characters with a moveset that represents them well.
Fuck you, I can't.
I miss his Brawl SideSmash and Nair. Why'd they drop his most famous move? That's like if they got rid of Mewtwo's Shadow Ball.
>Why would you care about balance in a party game?
Any game is ruined by something that's clearly overpowered. In a racing game it would be a car that sticks out for being ridiculously fast
Any game is ruined by dumb unbalancing.
What do people think about dedede? I hardly see him competitively
>Did they even attempt to balance smash 4?
no. sakurai has said in interviews that he thinks competitive fighting is stupid. of course they didnt try to balance anything.
thats the real reason i stopped playing. the game is so poorly balanced in so many regards that i cant even play it casually for fun
smash 4 is easily the most balanced smash game as of 1.1.2
very little percent of characters are considered useless and the gap between the top 5 and the rest is far smaller than the other smash games, especially brawl
>it's been a year and basic bullshit still hasn't been fixed
Goddamn it, I just want Pac-Man to have grab that makes sense. It goes through people, has shit range, it can miss if you're too close has a shitload of end lag
Could be worse. You could be an idiot like me and main Mewtwo, who had none of his flaws from Melee fixed, and was given even more. And since Japan for some reason thinks he's mid tier, he's never getting a buff.
Rosalina is hardcore bullshit
I mean fuck, you win by doing nothing
The Luma is the only reason she's a pain in the ass. Her dash doesn't even make sense. Luma's dead, but it still counts as it being alive
I'm talking about how his moves don't represent him well. My heart was shattered after I saw the Hyrule Warriors Trailer, and Smash Bros. Ganondorf was still a Falcon clone with a silly run cycle.
>none of his flaws from melee fixed
are you insane ? He actually has a usable jab now, and a projectile reflect that works. Plus the general Sm4sh meta favors him.
I don't understand how many mental gymnastics you need to consider him bad in Sm4sh.
i would tend to agree, but i enjoy melee's "balance" for lack of a better word. casually i can choose just about anyone and have fun(dat pichu dou) and competitive i can focus my skills in a more rewarding way than smash64
overall though, smash 4 tends towards a more defensive play style. thats not nessicarly a bad thing, but personally it takes a lot of fun out of both the competitive and casual side. balance goes past just the characters and into the core gameplay mechanics with any fighting game, and the core mechanic changes in 4 feel awful to me.
it really is insane to me. the only conclusion i can draw is that sakurai really hates people playing the game in ways other than he intended, and therefore goes out of his way to make some things just NOT work. its crazy that one game should suck for so long.
I've found most people don't expect a sudden teleport on stage.
It's sounds retarded to do that, but the few times I've used him people were trying to guess if I was gonna teleport and they ended up going crazy
>Lighter than in Melee
>Teleport has more startup and a new animation making mindgames impossible
>Shadow Ball doesn't damage while charging
Feels like they made his Side B work, and called it a day.
>i can draw is that sakurai really hates people playing the game in ways other than he intended, and therefore goes out of his way to make some things just NOT work
Bingo. He made tripping in Brawl, and look at this ingame tip.
Oh I see, sorry to hear that.
There was an idea kicked around in P:M to give Ganondorf an original moveset and transfer his attributes and moves to Black Shadow from FZero, which I would have loved because I like both those characters and I like playing as heavy CFalcon. Doesn't look like that idea took off.
You can also main a character balanced and designed around using customs moves and ergo is completely screwed in the meta thanks to the competitive scene banning customs and now Sakurai probably won't ever give her major buffs.
I also fucking love F-Zero, so even if Shadow was just an excuse to give Ganon a new moveset, I'd be ecstatic.
With Mewtwo, they were really going for the Melee nostalgia. Same artwork, same victory poses, new voice is an attempt to mimic the old one...I really wonder if he was made to suck because Melee Mewtwo did as well.
Then I remember Roy came back with all the same aesthetics and sound, yet had all his issues fixed.
>The only buffs megaman ever got were to leaf shield
>leaf shield was so fucking bad it overshadowed everything else
Jesus christ, cmon sakurai. He's got some framedata and hitbox issues as well.
>tfw papa sakurai gives up on you
Character loyalty really hurts sometimes.
>smash 4 is defensive
wrong, especially after 1.1.1
even before the shield stun changes, the two best players in the world (and still are), zero and nairo, are the most aggressive and offensive players
the rest havn't caught on and are still playing brawl
>Samus was shit in Brawl
>Possibly even worse here
>ZSS was good in Brawl
>Top 5 here
I can't play as Mega Man in PM.
That's more or less the only reason though.
Didn't she get the privilege of having her screwattack fair and nair get buffed in the latest patch where no other characters were buffed with exception of custom moves?
Just stop with this bullshit
The last patch nobody got buffed because it was used to test the waters for the shield stun and then the real buffs will come
She will get buffed even more in the next one
Call me when she can B Reverse her charge shot.
Her signature fucking move can't even do basic shit that its clones can do.
It's not even stronger than other charge shots. It's just straight up worse than the rest for no reason.
The jab thing is stupid but that genuinely makes me mad.
>It's not even stronger than other charge shots
Are you kidding me? of course it is the strongest charge shot in the game.
it certainly is stronger than Mewtwo's, Lucario's can change from pathetic to op so he doesn't count for not being consistent, and the mii gunner's charge shot is a joke
>of course it is the strongest charge shot in the game.
>Samus charge shot
>30 Base Knockback, 62 Growth, 25% damage
>Lucario Aura sphere
>35 Base Knockback, 69 Growth, 25% damage
Wowee, Lucario's is actually stronger AND it gets a boost from aura. And it has a hitbox while charging.
Samus' is actually worse in every way.
I can post replays, but they're not Wario related
Everybody should just post replays to past the time
Wario isnt even top 10 in smash 4
Op is a shitter
bike has 12% health, any move that does that will cause it to explode and damage wario, so use moves taht do over 12 and you now can hit any part of the bike to do massive damage to him.
Try frame 8
get fucking gud
Everybody post your replays.
I legitimately want to see how good you guys are
tfw no smash scene around me
tfw wanna be best Wario in the world
DonkeyKong player here. take notes boys
Vs Youtuber Shofu as Pit
im also up for a few sweaty rounds in case any one's interested
Am I worthy of being a DK player?
the only way I want to buff shulk right now is to change how his stances work
first make it so you tap B once then choose the stance you want with a directional input
then we can talk about buffing his moves
oh boy time to shill my shitty ZSS
I really hope they fix shulk's frame data, I've got over 1k games with him and just around 100 with ZSS since I switched mains
>why care about gameplay? Its just a fanservice game, it doesn't matter!
wooo boy, theres a bit of input delay. do you not have the dongle?
I'm on a mission to beat every character on the roster (playing against people who aren't pathetically bad at the game) as Kirby using their power. Then I will most likely upload a video of all of them.
Currently trying to think of creative ways to win with Fox's blaster like breaking their shield (but that would consider them pathetically bad.)
well, fun while it lasted.
Sorry if you got mad or anything.