>"If I make him playable, then he will be unable to fly forever, and that will ruin his character."
>spends half of the time after he appears on the ground slashing at people and charging and walking around
I love how Sakurai can't even keep his excuses and bullshit reasonings straight. Giant Melee Mode shows Ridley looks perfectly fine at the same scale as the rest of the roster, they went to the trouble of making him fight like a player character and take damage and knockback like a player character, he gives stock points just like a player character, and he does exactly what Sakurai says would ruin his character along with doing shit he'd never do like allying with Samus Aran because she love-tapped him enough.
it's okay for the koopalings to turn into shadow mario
it's okay for ness and lucas to use moves that they never learned in their games
it's okay for pokemon to have more than 4 moves and have their heights out of whack
but it's not okay for ridley
>mfw Smash fags will never, EVER get Ridley
>people care more about what characters don't get in so they can scream "BTFO ROFLCOPTER!!" instead of what characters DO get in
When did this place become so self-hating and negative?
If that stage boss was any indication, Sakurai is a hack who would make an awful playable Ridley anyway.
Nah, I can trust him to, if he actually put his mind to it, make a good playable Ridley. The problem is he needs to stop being stupid about wanting Ridley to be "as true to his character as possible", especially when he shits all over the rest of the roster's canon portrayals all the damn time. People here on /v/ can whip up a playstyle, how his hitboxes would work, movesets, and adjustments to his design that would keep him as Ridley without changing much, but Sakurai for some reason is completely incapable of imagining how a dragon can be made playable.
>if random amateurs modifying an existing game can't do it, then lifelong professionals with all the tools at their disposal working on a new game can't do it
So if a little kid can't build a house with a set of Lincoln Logs, professional construction workers can't build a real log house?
>Sakurai for some reason is completely incapable of imagining how a dragon can be made playable
I think he's just being contrarian to try to piss of meleefags, he designed charizard.
inb4 charizard is fire/flying not dragon
Those shit modders had access to all the mechanics possible and in the end he was literally too big. They had to give him abilities to work around this.
They even had to use the other M design because the best ridely design was too big.
It has nothing to do with modding skills, and everything to do with concept.
The only kind of developers that would think it would be cool to add Ridley would be a team similar to the one that made PlayStation all stars.
That game didn't have visual and conceptual integrity, and it bombed, so there you go.
>Implying meleefags give a rats ass if your shitty purple dinosaur is playable.
At least I don't care.
>still trying the "TOO BIG!!" meme in the year of our Lord 2015
I've got screenshots that shit all over that meme, and I can easily describe how to adjust Ridley's tail to work.
Plus it's funny how Sakurai shrank Ganondorf and made him a clone of Captain Falcon without a single thought to his fans, but is so frightened of shrinking Ridley a little because he thinks ridley's fans will fly to Japan and lynch him. It's like he thinks Ridley is the most important and iconic Nintendo character ever made who must never ever be tampered with.
What does PSASBR bombing have to do with Ridley? Last time I checked every playable character was a humanoid and all around the same size.
I'm not implying all meleefags care about Ridley being playable, just that ridleyfags became a vocal minority after melee was released and Sakurai probably assumes ridleyfags = meleefags
>They are people who cling on to that small hope that Ridley will be playable
At least it's better than those faggots who want clones to come back
Again, why are you saying a fanhack is what e would be like in the official version? And he's easy to do: slow and cumbersome on the ground, fast and agile in the air, like he is in the Metroid games.
-three good jumps
-hover like Peach's (hovering disables jumps and vice versa)
-air mobility similar to Jigglypuff and Wario
Boom, problem solved. And all of his attacks can be done so that they only hit once but they hit hard. No combos, no links, no multi-hits, just wham and slam and bam, you get hit and you go bye-bye.
Because those fanhack fags managed to revert the game to near melee tier, modified entire move sets.
They'd have the ability to design the ridely you're imagining.
Problem is, He is conceptually nonviable as a smash character.
He's large, slender and has insane reach. The wingspan alone would further increase his size.
The wingspan is terrible on the other M model as is.
>Those shit modders had access to all the mechanics possible and in the end he was literally too big. They had to give him abilities to work around this.
>They even had to use the other M design because the best ridely design was too big.
the fuck is wrong with you? at least do your homework before you try to shit on something.
that PM ridley mod is made by one guy not affiliated with the PMDT at all. i agree that it's shit, but man, get your facts straight.
>Because those fanhack fags managed to revert the game to near melee tier, modified entire move sets.
>They'd have the ability to design the ridely you're imagining.
Smash 4, not Project M, dude.
>Problem is, He is conceptually nonviable as a smash character.
People said the same thing about many other characters on the roster.
>He's large, slender and has insane reach.
Not really. If he was around Bowser's size he'd have Ike or Shulk's reach with his claws, less with his mouth, and his tail would have as much or less reach depending on which direction he's aiming it in, taking my idea for adjusting it in mind.
>The wingspan alone would further increase his size.
His wings can be shrunk down to Brawl Ridley's wing size or the 2-D Ridleys' wing size. He never uses them to attack with so they don't need hit/hurtboxes at all, since they'd be in the Z axis when unfolded.
>The wingspan is terrible on the other M model as is.
Again, stop assuming that Sakurai would copy Project M.
Why didn't they make her playable?
They really should just include her as an alternate costume with a different announcer name, similar to Alph.
They should also do this with Daisy
And demote Dr Mario to this status.
That Ridley looks weird next to Samus if you were to think of it as his default size. You can tell right away that either Samus was enlarged or Ridley was shrunken, which is not a "normal" state for either. Yes, there are many characters whose sizes are not "accurate" to canon, but they're all sized within the bounds of looking "normal."
>Viridi says Chrom would just be an Ike clone
>but Lucina learned how to fight from Chrom
>Lucina should be a Chrom clone
>Viridi says Chrom doesn't have an Aether move
>Chrom gains Aether in game, albeit different
>Lucina should have the same Aether
>Chrom Mii Fighter bullshit
I hate Sakurai.
Just kill off Ridley already. That large tail alone would be a nightmare to balance. You can get Melee Mewtwo example where it was just a big hurtbox or PM Mewtwo where it's a huge ass disjoint
If you want to try Ridley yourself, there's a PM mod for Ridley, that tail is brutal to play agaisnt
>And demote Dr Mario to this status.
I don't understand this logic. If you're going to have him anyway, why not just let him keep the tweaks that make different. I don't think any character should ever show up in gameplay in a downgraded capacity between games (being cut is an entirely different issue).
Except Ganondorf should tower over Link to the point where Link can suck his dick while they both stand straight instead of barely being a head taller, Pikachu should barely reach Lucario's knee, and Samus should not be as tall as Bowser inside her armor yet shorter than Marth outside it.
Also, this is a non-canon crossover party game where everyone is toys or statues brought to life.
-shorten it by 1/4 to 1/3
-make only the blade do the big damage and knockback while the tail itself barely does either
-very narrow vertical hitbox on the blade
-all tail-based moves have either long startup or long endlag
>That large tail alone would be a nightmare to balance
have the point be a sweet spot on the tip like Marth's sword
have ether a weak hitbox on the tail itself or no hit box.
make the attack chargeable for a hard hit, but slow enough that a player paying attention could avoid it.
wow that was hard
this size for Ridley is fine
he would be a hair shorter than he was in Super Metroid, and he would still be the largest character
He's biased, it's that simple. He'd rather felate his favorite franchises than do anything for a gaijin style franchise. Charizard flies but he's in, Falcon acts nothing like from his games, never seen Fox shoot into the air on fire without his arwiing. I'd rather Sackofrye just be honest instead of making up pisspoor excuses.
>If you're going to have him anyway, why not just let him keep the tweaks that make different
Other than tornado Doc is just a shittier mario, the only way doc actually deserves his how spot is if he goes the HoS Route.
if they actually tried to make him different he could have been a good character without being a clone. I heard he eventually learns how to use the lance weapons? make that apart of his moveset, have him use a lance for some attacks, or have him beable to swap between a sword or a lance which would change up his moves
Being a human character gives Ganondorf room to be fiddled into being a "tall man" instead of a "very tall man."
Pokemon characters are almost never shown to scale in game, where they all fit into the same spaces in the battle screen. This makes their sizes more nebulous in people's minds. In fact, people are constantly surprised by how what size the Pokedex says they are compared to what they usually think of them.
Characters can certainly have their sizes adjusted for play ability, but that doesn't mean they can be any size at all just because it's not canon. Would you consider it acceptable if Olimar's Pikmin were bigger than him just because you could say they might be larger toys?
If Sakurai was so concerned with how Chrom plays, this is what he could have done:
-a clone of Ike
-overall faster and a little lighter but also overall weaker, but with some weaker attacks being stronger while the strong attacks are weaker
-different animations for A moves, like what Roy got
-Eruption doesn't have fire but instead throws up a burst of earth fragments around Chrom that act as a shield for a moment as well as damage people hit by them
-Aether has Chrom do a vertical spinning attack with the sword acting like a buzzsaw around him instead of the toss-and-jump-and-catch Ike does
-either replace Counter with something else or have his Counter animation be similar to Marth's Shield Breaker, where he rears back and impales the opponent, giving it forward reach and power at the cost of vertical coverage
-Final Smash can be Robin's but with Robin's portrait cutting in
>And why do people call him a dragon when he is clearly a dinosaur?
because Pteranodons are not Dinosaurs you fuck
plus he has 6 limbs and breaths fire. traits of a dragon and not a dinosaur
>Alien creature looks alien.
That's one of the reasons I'd like him on the roster. Represent the weird shit Samus fights. Regardless of his size, Ridley is going to look weird. Looking like a freakish alien Pterosaur is more Ridleys thing than size ever was.
That's still altering a character's canon size to make him viable for the roster.
Exactly, their sizes vary going by every different source and even every different game, so why should we be so concerned about sizes in Smash?
That's not the same. Pikmin and Olimar are one character. Samus and Ridley are two separate characters.
Seriously, I know who you are, every Ridley thread you do this exact same thing with the exact same arguments no matter how many times things are explained to you and the exact same acting like Ridley is somethign that must never ever be tampered with. It's a fucking crossover game where Sakurai has already fucked over the characters in every way possible, making Ridley a little bit smaller won't do shit to how we see him in the Metroid series, especially when he was already much more drastically and OOC changed in Smash 4 as a boss hazard.
size means nothing in smash
Yeah, his use of a sword is really different from Marth and Ike, so a new moveset wouldn't be horrible to come up with. And yeah, he also wields lances later and the Fire Emblem as a shield, so both of those could be used for variety.
If they wanted to be crazy, they could incorporate Awakening's class changing and have him be able to use traits of Cavaliers and Archers, though that's a bit much.
But at a glance, Robin just being able to use magic makes him a great deal different than the existing FE characters, making him a better choice than Chrom. I believe Robin was also more popular than Chrom in Japan.
The point is Smash, being a noncanon party game, doesn't give a shit about size or scale. Making up a list of reasons validating every single current alteration while saying it's impossible for Ridley makes zero sense to me.
If it's got Ridleys basic Super or Prime design, acts like Ridley unlike the purple platypus boss, and has some effort put into it, people who care would be happy.
Reminder that Chrom, Inkling, Chrous kids (before the "leak" was BTFO) King K Rool, Ridley, Bdee, ashely, daisy, and Wolf faggots are the most entitled annoying babies in the smash fanbase. They will all be BTFO soon, some already have and dont know it, remember to hide the threads and dont take the bait.
Something like this is all I want to be able to do, is that too much to ask for, Sakurai?
It's easier to make them bigger than smaller.
They never look bad bigger but they always look bad smaller.
Making them bigger doesn't ruin their proportions and their character.
Are the only "important" ones out of this bunch, inkling will be saved for the next smash, unless you want bottom of the barrel as the headliners for the next one or have smash stop altogether.
Wolf is unnecessary along with Bdee, seems to me that sakurai didnt give importance to either since wolf isn't JP only and isn't even important to starfox, he was "lucky" to show up. And he treats Bdee like a waddle dee, but people will learn that soon enough.
Sakurai likes reviving characters so he'll pick Isaac, yeah he likes saki so he'll be okay with golden sun bs. Then namco will probably get theirs, no way capcom will one up them when they didnt help make the game. I also expect some characters to show up that people will hate, it isnt sakurai without some disappointment to the "majority", i've said too much though.
I've played alot of sakurai's stuff, there's even lewd stuff in a kirby game, so of course sakurai would have waifu characters in the game and get mad at CERO for censorship. (dreamland 2)
Bottom line, i know this motherfucker, he even showed up during an indie convention and I saw him and talked to him, even my step sis talked to miyamoto during e3 way back when...but again i've said too much, later.
>Most of /v/ is EC so of course they wouldn't experience this shit, but they'll claim bs anyways.
Sakurai feels that if Ridley can't fly forever then he won't be Ridley anymore. Plus he thinks that he'd have to make Ridley so different in every single way imaginable in order to work that he wouldn't be Ridley anymore.
It's hilarious and a bit sad that some random anons on 4chan can whip up a Ridley that has only a few minor adjustments to his proportions while remaining in line with his canon depictions while Masahiro Sakurai thinks he'd have to essentially make a completely new and different character to get Ridley to work.
Sakurai hasn't seen the Prime game fights, has he? Ridley spends just as much, if not more, time on the ground than in the air. Make him hover an inch off the ground like Bowser Jr does if it's that fucking important. (it isn't)
Sakurai has said that he rarely plays any games other than ones he's made because he's too busy, so he barely knows anything about franchises that aren't Kirby and Kid Icarus (and Awakening, since that was his favorite game for a while). He also said that he'll do whatever he wants to the characters to make them fit into Smash Bros.
As you can tell, he's a hypocritical flip-flopping ignorant moron.
>64, Ridley flies in the background
>Melee, Ridley is in cutscene opening in a size comparable to samus
>brawl, makes it in twice as a SSE boss
>4, Ridley now has almost a full moveset of a playable character
He's going to get in eventually. Nintendo is already out of major characters anyone who plays games can recognize. Ridley has been requested for well over a decade now.
Inklings are the only major non playable characters now. If Sakurai doesn't direct Smash 5, I'd call Ridley a lock at this point.
Also, I really don't get why he went with those fuck ugly Other M designs, but whatever.
if he ever does hes gonna be like the shittiest character
theres no way he doesnt end up giant fucking combofood for every other character
id much rather they just pick sylux if they really want "metroid villain" to be a thing
>It'd have to be shrunk down
Like you did to Ganondorf.
>or its wings reduced in size
Ever seen Ridley in the 2D Metroid games, Sakurai? Or glanced back at the Ridley model you made for Brawl?
>or be unable to fly around freely
Just like Charizard, all thee Kirby characters, and Dark Pit. You DID say that you changed characters however you saw fit for Smash. Also, multiple jumps, a hover, and Pit's old Up B would work fine for "flying freely".
See, it's this nonsense that makes people wonder what Sakurai smokes and if it hasn't been tampered with.
>theres no way he doesnt end up giant fucking combofood for every other character
So he'd be like every other large and/or heavy character. And I love how you gave absolutely no thought to how that would be/could be balanced, just straight to "He'd be a large heavyweight that means he'd totally suck no matter what!".
Half the cast is shit as is because the balance is all over the place. If being garbage was criteria Samus, Ganondorf, and a bunch of others wouldn't be playable. Balance anything properly and it can viable without being shit. Sakurai and his team just need to not be retarded.
It's because Nintendo hates Metroid, for whatever the fuck reasoning. You're damn right I'm salty, and not just because of RIdley
Also, reminder that Ridley's tail is scary long