>Back during the Steam Summer Sale, there was a fairly large uproar about the pricing of Grand Theft Auto V. Between the game’s launch and the Summer Sale, GTA V cost £39.99. Suddenly once the sale began, the original version of GTA V was not available for sale, and instead the only products advertised were the game bundled with other things such as cash cards for GTA Online. This was sold for £51.99, but with a 25% discount making it cost £39.98.
> The ASA ruled that Valve did intentionally mislead customers. Due to the £39.99 original game and the £51.98 bundle being advertised side-by-side (even accidentally), the ASA believes there was a reasonable expectation that the discount would apply to both products.
>The ASA has demanded that Valve not show those sales in that way ever again, and must ensure that all future discounts are not misleading.
STEAM BLOWN THE FUCK OUT
In rational countries this would be laughed out of court. I am afraid of Britain though. They are so anti business they will fuck businesses up in the court if they are in the green.
You know that's what a Government is for right? Protect citizens from groups and organisations?
I do realise as an American that getting charged $3000 for a Appendix Removal is your idea of Freedom
so would they force valve to refund those 25% back to the accounts or what
also isn't rockstar the one who is responsible for prices?
but overall it's all good and pro-consumer
if you're not shilling witcher 3 you don't belong here
American capitalism = Allows companies to walk all over consumers.
European capitalism = They countries themselves will sue the shit out of corporations, while using consumers as an excuse.
>so would they force valve to refund those 25% back to the accounts or what
Based on what OP included, this is basically just a slap on the wrist and a warning not to do it again.
Consumers in general are pretty retarded. The "rational consumer" that free-market capitalism relies on does not exist. You need some consumer protection because most people can't be assed to pay attention and/or do research. And honestly if everyone was "rational" then marketing would be way less effective and way fewer goods would be sold (due to widespread thrift).
And the retailer (Steam) still has a duty to customers. If a vendor shipped old, stale, moldy bread that's covered in spores and insects and the grocery store still stocks it on it shelves to sell to people they can't cry b..but that's how the vendor shipped it to us!
There was this personality test thread last week which showed that most posters here are psychopathic and think it's okay to lie/cheat/hurt others to get ahead.
It really explains a lot.
> didn't read a single thing
> bitching about consumer rights
Like I said... Steam doesn't set the prices of games. The company who owns the IP decides on what prices it would be. In this case... ROCKSTAR and 2K.
ASA is a retard for going after Steam. Whoever made the article is also a retard for blaming Steam. And those posters above are just looking any excuse to shit on Steam. Everyone's now jumping in on the overreacting outrage bullshit without doing a little research on who's actually responsible.
>but they did the advertising and are thus liable.
It's like you brought a defective seagate harddrive brand new in it's original packaging from bestbuy and you blame bestbuy instead of seagate.
The mostly American population of these boards is indoctrinated to be against their own interests. Last time /v/ got interested in their rights as a consumer they got shamed on every news site and kicked off the board, it's understandable they might return to their old knee jerk reactions.
Except that analogy doesn't work for two reasons:
1. Manufacturer sets the price of the product in the real world too, so if manufacturer makes the product more expensive for whatever reason the shop can either refuse to sell it or sell it at higher price.
2. Your argument is even more retarded because we have refunds both on steam and in the real world.
No it wouldn't. It would be like Best Buy putting up an advertisement that was given to them for a HDD that (according to the ad is 2TB) but is actually only 1TB. Is it Best Buy's fault? No, they just put up the ad.
>Steam literally sets the price of games.
>They don't decide what it's going to be
Nigga, you must be retarded as fuck to contradict yourself in the same post. Do you even read what you post?
The law would go after BestBuy because it was their fuckup. Where they misled by the HDD manufacturer that told them so? Yes. But BestBuy is the one that still misled customers by falsely advertising it.
You're supposed to check on these things before-hand, not just throw it up because why the fuck not. Businesses get screwed over all the time over stuff like this.
>Due to the £39.99 original game and the £51.98 bundle being advertised side-by-side
Can you guys not read? It's nothing to do with the price it's to do with the way it was advertised on steam. And it's Steam that decide how their store is laid out. They're saying even if it was an accident it was misleading and they need to take care not to do that in the future
>1. Manufacturer sets the price
Big red flag you're either way too young for this discussion or completely ignorant on B2B.
Manufacturers will either sell directly to retailers or to a distributor who then sells to retailers. Either way, the retailer will enter into a purchase agreement with the manufacturer or distributor and the price it pays per unit will vary. A mom and pop store that buys 10 units a month will pay more per unit than a national retailer that buys 10 million units.
Then the retailer, who needs to at least break-even sets a price in excess of its cost for the product.
Don't expect /v/ to actually read. They don't understand that it was Steam's personal fuck up by mixing the two up, which is the cause of all the problems.
Remember Steam does no wrong on /v/. Never has, never will.
>he didnt buy the mega sharkcard and a copy of GTA yet
online is a huge money grind for cars/car parts weapons safe house and ammo but you can buy shark cards for in game cash
Legally, Best Buy is liable. That's the law end of discussion.
But typically in such cases, the retailer will then have cause against the manufacturer and can sue them to recoup their losses.
>The ASA has demanded that Valve not show those sales in that way ever again, and must ensure that all future discounts are not misleading.
The only way to make them care is by sueing them.
Not him, he's saying Steam has a responsibility to make sure prices set by publishers and advertising methods in their store are reasonable and bullshit-free. Morons.
And you must be retarded if you think Rockstar has direct access to the Steam store and doesn't have to go through Valve. I'd like to see them try to put a game up for $1000 and see if they're the ones setting the price or if it goes through Valve or not.
>have to pay full price for a game and then pay extra to unlock content
When will this shit end?
For fuck's sake just raise the price of games to like $80 and drop all the DLC and microtransaction shit.
>past tense: misled; past participle: misled
>cause (someone) to have a wrong idea or impression.
Nope, mislead is the present tense, which isn't applicable here. It's wrong.
>Manufacturers will either sell directly to retailers or to a distributor who then sells to retailers.
That's only for physical goods. Digital doesn't work like that.
And even in physical goods, there are standards of practice so the store who buys from the manufacturer does not get screwed over or the manufacturer will face lawsuits.
>ASA did fuck all about Day Z increasing it's price then claiming it's on sale, which is also against the law
Not the first time that's happened either, Epic have increased the price of UT then put it on sale tons of times
They made it seem as though they were selling GTAV at a discount, but they weren't. They were selling crappy bundles "discounted" to conveniently be the same exact price as the non-discounted GTAV.
It's like advertising "T-shirts, 20% off!" but when you get to the store you find that the T-shirts cost the same as they usually do, but now they come with a pencil or some shit and when you ask about it they say "oh we meant 20% off the T-shirt/pencil bundles".
No, Steam has a responsibility to list the game at the price they agreed with the publisher. If Activision suddenly decided to charge $90 for CoD, Valve is going to list CoD for $90. Is that Valve's fault that Activision is setting bullshit prices? Of course the fuck not.
>be so fucking stupid my schools have to lower educational standards
>be unable to read
>get punished because i'm a retard
>cry and stomp my feet
>politely ask them to not do it again
I don't know where you're from but here the manufacturer can set a recommended retail price often called r.r.p. However the company selling it can charge whatever they want. Adverts often say things like r.r.p.30 but buy it here for 25 and so on. The store buys it from the manufacturer, now they own it they can charge whatever they want for it, if the manufacturer raises the price they're selling it for the store can raise its price or sell it at a loss its up to them. How it works digitally where there is no actually physical product may be different since Steam isn't buying 100,000 copies of it or whatever like an actual store would, but your whole point is fundamentally wrong
>Muh millions I will clearly make at some point because I'm not here shitposting all day will be taken by the gubmint that's basically subsidizing my entire existence. Better make sure them corporations can walk the fuck over me. It's alright, don't need no fancy gubmint agency I'll just write a letter to exxon, mondelez, monsanto, us airways, AT&T, Dish network, Facebook, Microsoft, Apple, Amazon. These are all companies that have shown they can be trusted to police themselves without any finicky gubmint red tape! Plus who doesn't want to live in Deus Ex?
let me know when they do something about the scams and sock puppets
>reviews on the internet are made up bullshit.
STOP THE PRESSES.
Amazon actively suing people who review things on fiverr is pretty hilarious though, but the simple truth is that if you're on the site you can purchase it from: Don't trust what people say. Ask for comments on websites where there's literally no profit in telling you.
Publishers.. in this case, 2K or Rockstar, pretty much has a interface kinda like ebay or amazon. Where they get to set what's on sale and what prices everything is.
Shit is automatic. Companies do not have to tell someone working at Steam to set their game at this price or that price. They just click a few times to change it to whatever price they want it at.
That's basically how it works. Thus the blame should be put on the publishers, which is Rockstar, not Steam. Everyone shitting on Steam is either a idiot or they're just hipsters jumping on the hate bandwagon, or most likely both.
reminds me of something that happened to me earlier this year. i was shopping on the psn store and saw a bundle for dynasty warriors gundam 3. the problem was that the bundle was just all the dlc for it bundled cheap, but it was labeled as a game and not dlc. so of course i thought i would get the game with it, bought it and downloaded it. when i realized what happened i got in contact with sony. first i did an online chat and the dude wouldnt give a refund as sony has a fairly strict no refund policy. i even brought up how it was labeled as a game and not just a dlc bundle, wouldnt let me talk to a manager either when i told him i wasnt happy talking to him and he ended the chat. so i called, spent 5 minutes on hold, but when i talked to someone and explained it, and mentioned how i had the psn store open on my ps3 and the website and it was labeled as a game in both places i got my refund. took literally less than a minute to convince the guy. got my money back and bought assassins creed 4. if i was in britland i probably coulda sued tho.
Well yes, but when you click the bundle, you are clicking the damn bundle.
The issue was not the bundle, but the base game price which did not change (but retards might think it did)
By your logic.
>bestbuy sells Halo
>bestbuy is now publishers of Halo
kek, you're a retard.
>"YOU BROKE INTERNATIONAL COMMERCE LAW!"
>"oh god, please, no! What's going to happen to us? Oh Jesus, I can't go to a foreign prison, they'll eat me alive!"
>"YOU HAVE TO PROMISE YOU WILL NEVER DO IT AGAIN!"
Laws protecting consumers are dead, all hail our new corporate overlords.
Paid for by the libertarian party.
"Because I'm going to quit my job at McDonald's and start my own business and make billions of dollars one of these days, just not today"©
They're saying the company was misleading not the company was mislead. It's not to do with past tense it's to do with who was the provocateur.
If they'd said
>The ASA ruled that Valve intentionally misled customers
That would be fine since then the sentence revolves around the consumer but by saying >Valve did
you have to say they mislead not misled otherwise it appears that valve were the ones misled
If britbongs see both prices and still decide to buy the higher price, then they deserve to pay the higher price.
And they can always refund it if they weren't that retarded. I don't see any issues here. Fucking clickbait journalists always make a big deal out of fucking nothing.
>expects corporations to mislead people out of god knows how much money and get away with it scot-free without so much as a slap on the wrist
"Because I'm going to quit my job at McDonald's and start my own business and make billions of dollars one of these days, just not today"©
Oh no, it's retarded
Their ears are larger than their leg stumps.
>No, Steam has a responsibility to list the game at the price they agreed with the publisher.
And they are responsible to make sure the prices publishers aren't misleading. If they are, they shouldn't put it up.
The cash cards are fucking ridiculous. $20 gets you one mil in game, and that's fucking nothing. There are vehicles that sell for more than double that. Honestly getting a mil takes maybe an hour if you do heists with the right people.
This. Fuck Rockstar. Literally worse than Ubisoft.
>shitty PC ports
>forced Denuvo DRM
>forced login into their social shit (basically same as uplay)
>attempts to scam people
>can't even add basic Steam features to their fucking games
No it would be like Seagate labeling their HDD as 2TB when it's actually 1TB and then making Best Buy sell them. You can piss and shit all you want at Best Buy for not selling you what you wanted but it was never truly their fault, it was the ones who shoved out the product.
When Americans have their biannual nationwide beef recall do they blame the stores that carried and sold that beef or the factories for shipping out that tainted meat in the first place?
Fuck crippled children, sucking it up off the government with their retardedly high medical bills, fuck them and fuck the parents too for not getting an abortion, and fuck the Christians for bombing abortion clinics, and fuck the Americans for still allowing Christianity to influence the state in this day and age, and fuck the settlers for bringing their retarded religions with them.
I wonder who could be behind this post
And Best Buy has the responsibility to not sell those HDD's. It is their store. If Best Buy puts them up for sale, they should have known better and it will hurt them in some shape or form.
You won't absolve yourself from any liability if you tell the court that you knew it was misleading but still put it up for sale.
>if you're not shilling witcher 3 you don't belong here
Fucking hilarious, those fucking "n64-style tree" W3 threads were everywhere today
>Being so retarded that you can't even read what you're buying
I'll agree that it was underhanded, but how retarded would you have to be to do something like that? I don't even see how its misleading. It says it right there at the checkout.
Wait so, this "misled" people in that they were buying £40 bundle thinking that that price was before discount or something?
I get that the advertising made it seem like the regular game was on sale but I find it hard to believe many people went through the checkout process without noticing they were paying £40.
If I'm selling a product for 39.99 then put next to it that product but with a bonus that's normally priced at 51.98 but with a big sign over it saying "product 25% off" so that its there priced at 39.98. Some customers might be confused with them next to each other at almost the exact same price with a promotional sign over them.
Intentional or not that is misleading and it's the advertising standards job to make sure customers aren't being misled. Just because the only people who would be misled are retards doesn't mean they deserve it, it's the stores job to pay attention to these type of things when designing how to lay out their promotions and they didn't. That's what this is about.
>ITT: Absolute retards trying to shit on Steam which, while it definitely deserves to get shat on, these complete imbeciles use completely wrong reasonings
Steam might be shit (that's why I don't use it) but at least be factually correct when you shit on it.
TB got too big so everyone has to be a contrarian pretending the ideas he came up with are now shit. Damn shame his legacy as a defender for PC gamer rights will now be tarnished by this board.
Why does it have to be one or the other? They're both pieces of shit for doing it
>and think it's okay to lie/cheat/hurt others to get ahead.
It is though, if you're not doing whatever you can to reach the top then you're a failure of a human being. We are by nature a competitive species and none of your SJW crap will EVER change that.
Best buy print a pamplet advertising halo.
They are the publishers of the pamplet. Best Buy are responsible for the contents of that pamplet.
Why is this such a fucking hard concept for people to understand?
It isn't somehow magically different because it's online and not in print.
>there are Americans in this thread RIGHT NOW who actually defend the right to be keked by shitty business tactics
Truly a pathetic nation. I'm actually frightened of Americans, it's like giving a hand grenade to a mentally retarded kid.
>Allows companies to walk all over consumers.
Or they just assume the consumer isn't a fucking retard who needs their hands held with every purchase they make. Freedom isn't a safe thing and I than god herself every time I get scammed because it shows there are no restrictions by the government holding anyone back from being a successful businessman.
>Heists providing enough money for anything unless you grind them for hours on end
>Easy as fuck
I'm convinced that anyone who defends Rockstar's shitty online & Shark Card pushing is either braindead or simply new to the game. They have no knowledge of Rockstar raising ammo costs and nerfing everything. Of the original possibility to get over 10,000 fun bux in 2 minutes from any job. Of original race payouts being over 30,000 for first in a race of 16 people, regardless of the length of the race. Talk about revisionism.
>Or they just assume the consumer isn't a fucking retard who needs their hands held with every purchase they make.
But every consumer is a fucking retard and needs their hands to be held. With every single purchase they make. I don't really see your point, Anon.
>from a NGO
tok kek Amerikek
False advertising actually hurts other companies much more than it hurts consumers. For a free market to work it has to be illegal to lie to customers.
There was a whole bunch of stores actually selling GTA V at a discount, but Valve just pretended they have a sale so other stores having a sale wasn't big news. It's anticompetitive practices from Valve.
It depends, since Steam is the retailer, it's their advertisement, not Rockstar. Rockstar sets the pricing, but Steam is the one who publishes the advertisement, so if it's misleading it's on them.
Same as if you got a catalogue that had misleading advertising, it would be the store that would get busted, not the vendor.
>when theres a sale companies/stores increase the original price so it makes it look like you are getting a discount
fucking brand news
gtaV is shit anyway but you retards started buying games on this year or something
They're both at fault. Steam is the one ultimately responsible in how it advertises games and what prices it allows companies to set their games. But that doesn't make Rockstar any less shitty.
"You are a retard"
"No, you are"
repeat infinite till 404
>even the retarded /pol/acks got butthurt about this post
Hue. Exercise a bit of personal responsibility you morons. Use your fucking judgement. You're the sorts of retards that first chugged bleach and necessitated all the warnings on the bottles to follow.
This doesn't even count as a Valve fuckup, just the yuro nannystate being commie again. What they should have beens sued for was the San Andreas thing where they took content out of a game you already bought, THAT'S a serious infringement.
>It isn't somehow magically different because it's online and not in print.
But it is because print can run out of stock whereas digital copies only cease once taken down. Your rampant goalpost moving and overwhelming amount of Best Buy analogies tell me that not only are you completely retarded but that you seem to have some personal agenda against Best Buy.
>Company tricks retards with underhanded business
Companies have the right to do whatever they want
>People get mad and rules are enforced to prevent underhanded business
People have no right to complain about or legislate against scams
don't forget to get a life and bin that knife, yurocancer
your governments are responsible for the deaths of millions of civilians throughout the world in the past 500 years. going to be hilarious watching yurocancer get caged like the animals they are when the shit hits the fan.
They're right for the wrong reason, Ignore the nonsense about who mislead misled refers to. The grammatical fault with that sentence is that the word did makes it past tense to then also use misled which is also the past tense is incorrect.
>Sell GTA V for highly competitive 30 Pound Sterlingses
>Fat monopolist Gaben comes along with uncompetitive 40 Pound Sterlinges price
>Fat monopolist Gaben wrongly advertises big sale so customers believe it's the best deal they are going to get before Christmas
>Fat monopolist Gaben makes gorillions even though he didn't offer the best deal
How is this fair competition?
How is it even a trick when the store page shows the price they marked it up before discounting it to the full retail price? You gotta be one of the dumbest mother fuckers on the planet to think you were getting an actual deal after seeing that.
IT'S THE END OF VALVE AS WE KNOW IT
IT'S THE END OF VALVE AS WE KNOW IT
IT'S THE END OF VALVE AS WE KNOW IT
AND WE FEEL FINE
>your governments are responsible for the deaths of millions of civilians throughout the world in the past 500 years
This coming from an American is hilarious. Thanks for the laugh, Riley, you've made my morning.
We don't need ASA when we got this man.
>Live in Libertarian Utopia
>Forget that my Sidewalk Insurance expired today
>Sirens erupt and Private policeman arrives
>"Sorry sir but there's sidewalks are private property, if you don't have Sidewalk Insurance you're going to have to pay a Sidewalk Toll of $4.99 for today. And because of this conversation you now owe the Private Police 2.99 for services and time rendered, unless you have Police Insurance."
>don't have Police Insurance, have to pay both tolls
>Valve Corporation t/a Steam said the discounts were part of their annual online summer sale, which ran from 11 to 20 June 2015. Individual game publishers and developers determined whether products would be included in the sale and the prices that would be charged for them. The stand-alone Grand Theft Auto game, which normally sold for £39.99, was not reduced. However, the claims that stated it was £38.98, with a saving of 25%, had appeared on the website in error for around three hours at the start of the sale. They said the price claims were the same as those for a separate Grand Theft Auto bundle, which was included in the sale. Because that type of bundle had not been offered before, their software had mislabelled the stand-alone game. They had removed the claims related to the game once they became aware of the error
It's literally nothing.
Since no one came up with a good compariosn, it's like Best Buy selling a hard drive for 10% off but ONLY if you also purchase this cheapass flash drive that costs enough to make up that 10% difference
What? If anything not running out of stock makes it even worse in the case of steam.
You put something on your website, you're responsible for it, even if you're doing it on the behalf of a third party (gee if only there was a term for someone who curates, reproduces and makes public the work of a third party).
They can't even fall back on the argument of it being automated or unmoderated because they chose to make it a prominent featured special which means they were aware of the contents.
I'm not moving the goal posts, I'm making the same point I've been making from the start. Valve published the promotion on their website, they're responsible for the content.
>brainwashed yurocancer actually believes the usa isn't the good guys
like i said. going to be hilarious watching you subhuman cattle get slaughtered without the usa to keep you monkeys in line. the only reason you animals haven't torn each other apart like you always do is because of the presence of the usa. stay brainwashed though, little buddy.
Scams work on stupid people, it doesn't mean we should allow them.
Lots of people are morons, it doesn't mean they deserve to be exploited by some conniving merchant. I never knew Israel was so strong on /v/
>Does America have anything like the ASA? If there isn't a big entity backing a few consumers up with issues like this, there's very little that could be done in America.
Apart from reading the pricetag like an adult does you mean. Fuck, you guys are beyond the pale. You're assumed to be a full grown man with a credit card wen you use valve. I really don't know what the Hell is wrong with yuros that they think this is a good thing or a stab at 'le evil corporation'. And I'm really not saying this just to "my country is number 1!" shitfling. I would say this is stupid even if an American consumer group did it. This shit is infantilization of the individual. 'Don't exercise your judgement or your rationality, the government will always be there to pick up your retarded banner.' Fuck.
These mechanism are in place to prevent underhandedness, not save people from being retarded. It's not about whether anyone bought into it, but rather what valve and rockstar did.
This one didn't make it into the collage
> Advertisements deliberately design to be misleading is okay
> Preying on stupid consumers is okay
Pretty much, they raise normal price a couple of weeks ahead and then discount down to normal price and advertise as a huge fucking discount when in reality it's not been discounted a single fucking cent from its normal price
America is the only country where you can get away with this because the majority of people are so fucking stupid as to fall for it. And it's the only place you can get away with it legally because despite being basically the same thing as a bait and switch it's not treated as such or even considered illegal to do this
seriously, just watch the prices for something like Walmart in the weeks leading up to black friday, shit will get a price increase out of nowhere only to go back down in time for black friday
>It's 100% about Valve having the base game mislabeled as on sale for 3 hours.
How can anyone possibly argue that, intentionally or not, it isn't misleading then?
>Advertise game as on sale, it isn't actually on sale
Enjoy being retarded and dense my not-friend
Being honest doesn't prevent it from being fraud. Fraud is about intent.
Hence xbox box or stuff like the Russian scam (you literally just ask someone for their wallet and they give it to you) being illegal.
Yes. That is true. That's why Steam could be liable for shit in this case.
Also, I would think that developers and publishers are the ones that decide the sales price. Since it's easy to do. Still, Steam is ultimately responsible for what they put up on their platform.
Not exactly. The problem was that Steam had both the bundle and base game next to each other if you searched for GTAV but only one was on sale.
The ASA is saying that because they were both "GTAV" that people seeing the bundle on sale might be misleadinto buying the base game thinking the discount would also apply to it even though it didn't say that anywhere.
Pretending the game is on sale when it isn't is misleading.
At the exact same time you could buy the game for 20% off on other stores. By pretending to have a sale Valve fooled customers into not looking for better deals.
I think I would prefer the chance of idiots being scammed to be low as possible. It only makes the use of bad consumer practices in businesses to get all the retards to buy shit from them. And fuck that.
Speak for yourself too.
Okay, you actually got me there, If it could actually improve the industry.
>faggots are loud and obnoxious
Thanks, Captain Obvious
In the uk its supposed to be illegal to have something on sale for longer than it was full price because if the sale price it the price it most often is then that should be regarded as it's normal price and it's misleading to advertise it as a great saving if 9/12 months that's its normal price. For example having a certain tv for sale at 400 for a week then putting it as 350 for a month and advertising it as save 50. The tv would have to be full price for over a month or the sale would have to last less than a week.
So the real issue that asa never went to is how can the bundle be advertised as 25% off when it was never previously available?
Steam say the bundle was 51.98, but when? You could not of bought that bundle for 51.98 because it was immediately created and priced at 39.98 to claim that was 25% off is misleading
Basically the ASA is saying that Valve can't have a marked down bundle for sale while also having the base game for sale.
This means in the future if a company wants to do another bundle sale like this on Steam they have to delist the base game completely for the sale's duration.
>At the exact same time you could buy the game for 20% off on other stores. By pretending to have a sale Valve fooled customers into not looking for better deals.
What the SHIT? By offering a transparently bad deal Valve hurt it's competitors who were offering better deals? Go fuck yourself you retarded socialist, I hope you're struck by a fast-moving automobile and die waiting for care. The onus is on the consumer to do the legwork and investigate and secure the best deal possible for himself. Jesus fucking Christ in trying to child-proof the world you retards are only going to destroy it.
People who don't know any better tend to be pretty easy pickings. Imagine what businesses like Apple or Activision would make if they actually innovated their shit. Products that are still shit, but not quite as shitty. That just raises the bar for everybody.
It's not about the pricing, you morons. It's a bait and switch. Which is illegal in the US too.
>It's not about the pricing, you morons. It's a bait and switch. Which is illegal in the US too.
Yeah that's why the ASA mentioned the price in their ruling but made no mention of bait-and-switch.
You have to be truly retarded to think that because 35% applies to a bundle it applys to the base game as well....for no real reason.
More proof britbongs are full fuckin retard.
But the deal wasn't transparent. It was wrongly advertised on the front page for the full duration of the sale.
It's like a brick&mortar store putting a sign up "EVERYTHING ON SALE TODAY", but when customers actually go into the store they say "sorry, but this item isn't on sale but you can buy this bundle with worthless digital currency for a great discount".
They lied to the customer so he wouldn't walk past the shop window and get to the next store where GTA V was actually on sale.
Didn't the advertisements for Left4Dead1 mislead people into thinking it had more weapons than it did?
Like it said "More than 11 weapons!" or some shit when the game had like, 7.
And which company did you say you work for, Mr.Shillington?
Uh, yeah, something like that. They added up the melee weapons which technically made it so that they weren't lying, but the wording they used kinda implied that they were talking about just the guns.
It's actually stupider than that because the base game couldn't be bought during the sale.
People were looking at the £39.99 bundle clearly marked down from £51.99, and thinking that because it was £39.99 that it must be the base game. Therefore the advertised -25% must be an extra unmarked discount in addition to reduction from £51.99.
>Suddenly once the sale began, the original version of GTA V was not available for sale, and instead the only products advertised were the game bundled with other things such as cash cards for GTA Online.
An intentionally misleading add that pulls you in to the store for one product only to have a different one there is the issue. The article doesn't call it a bait and switch, possibly because BRITBONGIA IS A DIFFERENT COUNTRY WITH DIFFERENT RULES THAT CALLS THINGS BY DIFFERENT NAMES, but in the US that's a blatant bait and switch.
Still illegal regardless.
They advertised GTA V as being 25% off on the front page. It wasn't. Only the useless bundle was. Customers believed the bundle was a good deal because the "steam makes the best deals" meme. No customer bothered to check other websites where the game was significantly cheaper.
Valve offered the worst deal on the market and still made a killing = market failure due to anticompetitive advertisement.
The crux of the issue lay in Steam removing the original for their store and making it look like the original was still there. Which they only did just as the sale started.
The pricing of the product isn't the issue. The issue is the bait and switch.
>OI M8, DA FOOKIN BLACK AN WITE GEAR HAS A SALE ON ROOTY TOOTY CAR AND SHOOTY FIVE.
>>YOU FOOKIN COONT, GIVE ME THE SLIDEY NUMBA CARD, IT SAYS A WHOLE HALF POUND OFF*
>U DIKHEAD WANKA, IT SAYS ITS UNDISCOUNTED ON THE STORE PAGE.
>>I SWER ON ME MUM, IM GOING TO CALL THE BOBBYS. IF I SEE GABEN IMA GLASS HIM ONE GOOD.
*translator notes: it did not actually say this
>They lied to the customer so he wouldn't walk past the shop window and get to the next store where GTA V was actually on sale.
That's a nonsense fucking sentence. Did they break his legs? Did they stop him from continuing looking at competing offers to make sure he was getting the best deal which you're ALWAYS supposed to do?
None and like I said I think valve should have been taken to court over San Andreas and in fact have stopped buying from them since that happened, but I fucking hate boneheaded court decisions which actively antagonize businesses and infantilize a population even more. Fuck you you retarded child.
It's funny because part of why you hate the SJWs is because they agree with you.
>There are no bad methods, only bad targets.
They'll do anything and everything to get what they want, and fuck anyone who gets stepped on.
> We are by nature a competitive species
We are, by our natures, a social species. That's our strength.
Before we had civilization (people like you always love talking about nature, so I figure that this is a good place to start), we worked in teams to take down our prey and our natural enemies.
When we got injured, we yelled and held the injured body part as an appeal for help to our kin, who would then come our aid. This survival tactic remains in place today.
Speech was developed as a part of this social nature. As a highly social animal, we benefited from the increased cooperation.
When we began to notice that plants grow from seeds, we worked together to build villages driven by agriculture, working so that they could all live in greater prosperity and comfort.
Humanity has always thrived on looking out for each other. Sociopaths are a blight that drags everyone down, including themselves (as they fail to realize that they, too, are a member of the community that they're shooting in the foot).
Great, the Aussies are here shitposting.
So what you're saying is looking at a store one day and seeing a game for 39.99, then going back the next day and seeing there's only one version of that game available and it's priced at 39.99 with a sign over it saying 25% off isn't misleading?
>An intentionally misleading add that pulls you in to the store for one product only to have a different one there is the issue. The article doesn't call it a bait and switch, possibly because BRITBONGIA IS A DIFFERENT COUNTRY WITH DIFFERENT RULES THAT CALLS THINGS BY DIFFERENT NAMES, but in the US that's a blatant bait and switch.
I didn't even read the article, I read the ASA's ruling. And nothing about it criticizes Valve for anything relating a bait and switch.
Based fucking Europa blowing Steam the fuck out left right and center. If it weren't for them, we wouldn't have any rights when it comes to Steam. I'm still thankful for them europoors for they gave us Steam refunds
>neo-/V/ is real
moot really did kill this place. All we have left are anti-consumerist shills shitting up this place and idiots yelling "socialist scum!" because of the memes their crapsack government and schools have indoctrinated them into believing. At least I can laugh at the morons who pretend to be free thinkers without realizing that not a single idea in their noggin is a unique thought they came up with themselves.
>The crux of the issue lay in Steam removing the original for their store and making it look like the original was still there. Which they only did just as the sale started.
>The pricing of the product isn't the issue. The issue is the bait and switch.
No, the issue was the price and the fact that both the base game and the bundle had listings on Steam.
Rights of corporations are more important than consumer rights.
Fuck you and fuck people like you.
>I need muh government to do everything for me!
If you're an idiot you should get scammed. I'd rather see this money in the hands of Rockstar and Valve than in your hands.
Government isn't your mom. Free market is far more important than your feelings.
Still can't believe that happened, the mostly asian neighbourhood I grew up in (and later near) didn't tolerate anything but casual drug dealing between locals. Anything kicked off and people were out on the street immediately to sort things out.
My grandparents have been there for years and still have a place in the community since they've been a part of it for so long. Eid comes around and it's like free takeaway with the amount of food coming to the door.
Since you're so convinced you're literate, do yourself a favor and use that skill on my post. As I said, they don't call it Bait and Switch in Britbongia. They still have lalws against it, but it's not called the same shit cause the US and UK don't share the same fucking laws.
>but I fucking hate boneheaded court decisions which actively antagonize businesses and infantilize a population even more. Fuck you you retarded child.
lol manchild. "Antagonize businesses" oh boo fucking hoo. So it's okay for businesses to antagonize us but it's not okay when there is push back? If they can't stand up on their own with a legit business model and can only get by with trickery and lies then perhaps they don't deserve to be alive. C'mon, you couldn't be any more trasnparent even if you were made up of glass. Shouldn't you go and make another Fallout 4 shilling thread?
From an economists point of view the whole point of advertisement is informing the customer so he can make an informed decision. Truthful advertising is vital for a free market to function.
By putting wrong information on their website Valve attempted to distort the market and trick customers. In this case the free market clearly failed because the game was top seller on steam for the duration of the sale.
>Rights of corporations are more important than consumer rights.
I don't mean they didn't mention the term, retard. Nowhere in the ASA's ruling do they criticize Valve for removing the base game from sale. Maybe instead of making up what you think this is about you should just read the actual ruling.
if you see a product advertised as 40 then the next day advertised as 40 with 25% off next to it, do you assume its actually 52 reduced to 40 when the original 40 product is nowhere to be found?
The fact that everyone here is even debating these issues is proof that it can be taken different ways and is therefore misleading. If everyone here was unanimous then it obviously wouldn't be open to interpretation, but since there is this discourse there is some way some consumers could be misled and the company should take better care over the way they advertise their products
>if you see a product advertised as 40 then the next day advertised as 40 with 25% off next to it, do you assume its actually 52 reduced to 40 when the original 40 product is nowhere to be found?
This is literally illegal in civilized countries.
Says the retard that needs the government to help him read a fucking pricetag.
>"Antagonize businesses" oh boo fucking hoo.
Oh shit, you actually are a child. This conversation is over, not going to bother reading the rest of your post.
>From an economists point of view the whole point of advertisement is informing the customer so he can make an informed decision.
That's the dumbest fucking thing I've ever heard. The point of advertising is to woo the consumer, not inform him. It's illogical to assume a business, being what it is, would ever be completely truthful or even be compelled to be completely truthful to a consumer. It's a business' job to seduce, it's a consumers' job to inform himself to make sure he's making the optimal purchasing decision.
But the core issue is still the same. Just removing the core game wasn't the issue. They could do that for a sale and it would probably be fine, but they then sold another, similar, product at a misleading price afterward.
That's still bait and switch.
If this was just about pricing, there wouldn't be anything illegal here.
>do you assume its actually 52 reduced to 40 when the original 40 product is nowhere to be found?
I would assume exactly that if there was a crossed out 52 next to the 40. Especially if the product had a different box and the sign said it was a bundle. (The image for the listing wasn't a picture of the game or box art, it was a black background with the logo and half the image taken up by the words PLUS A GREAT WHITE SHARK CASH CARD).
>Organisation made by advertising corporations
>Caring about consumer rights
It's literally corporations policing themselves to not hurt other corporations rights to fair competiton.
Are Amerifats so brainwashed by monopolists that they don't understand what fair competition is?
Yeah and my country fined a company doing that 4% of it's annual revenue equaling a fine of $800 000
>The ASA has demanded that Valve not show those sales in that way ever again, and must ensure that all future discounts are not misleading.
What? Just that? Weak sauce.
Only if you have such inept fucking intelligence and are completely illiterate.
I remember the sale, you went to the page and it clearly showed you that it was bundling in the cards.
I'm honestly slightly stunned, our government treats us like fucking toddlers, but you guys are infants apparently.
>You seduce by informing them of the deal you have.
Which valve did. It's a credit to the following and good PR valve has painstakingly cultivated that people didn't assume they weren't being given the best deal possible.
>amerikeks so institutionalized he doesn't realise when he's getting jewed.
If you're so convinced I didn't, then explain the ruling in detail. We're having some kind of communication gap here.
To remove one product then sell another very similar product is very misleading.
And you're talking about the description, what if people don't read that description because of the switch? They've already read the gtav description before and this is the only gtav available. The company needed to do more to clarify it was a different product and that the previously available version of gtav was not for sale
>americunt consumers are so retarded they actually that consumer protection is communist conspiracy by muslim socialists who want to take away MUH GUNS, MUH LIBERTY and MUH FRENCH-FRIED POTATERS
Instead of putting the base game on sale they added in a bunch of shit worth real money for no cost. I don't see how this is misleading anyone
>In rational countries this would be laughed out of court.
You mean rational countries that let industry dump heavy metals into the drinking water?
>I am afraid of Britain though. They are so anti business they will fuck businesses up in the court if they are in the green.
Yeah, I guess that's why the UK has the highest rate of growth in the OECD and, since 2009, has added more jobs to the economy than every other country in the EU combined.
Enjoy your HFCS and recombinant bovine growth hormone.
>Steamkeks mad they paid too much for a video game
>Still defend the the fat fuck who keeps selling overpriced video games
This nothing compared to others.
Koei Tecmo use PS4 screen shots on store pages for PS3 ports, other games they refuse to complete or offer refunds.
Vavle need to take serious action against publishers not behaving or they're going to get into serious legal trouble.
I have a bunch of support tickets from trying to warn them koei tecmo are scamming people via their platform and I have written responses showing they refuse to take action against reported fraud.
Well you do have it technically, it is your own brain but since the european nannystate can't regulate brains to make sure some aren't undemocratically exceeding others in performance this is the next best thing.
>Now go sue McDonalds because your coffee was too hot.
If you actually read into that case instead of just parrot what your memefriends told you to you'd know the coffee was so hot it actually caused third degree burns.
>You don't have protection from getting ripped off because you're retarded.
They do in Britain. Probably because there are so many muslims there that they're immune to being Jewed.
Unlike America where knowing your rights is anuddah shoah, oy vey send this meshuggah anti-semite to Guantanamo Bay before he kills six million jews!
>Steam is gonna be great they said
>Dematerialized games mean lower prices they said
And now dematerialized games cost more than the actual fucking physical game while spouting bullshit like "but think of the server maintenance costs!"
I honestly believe these "people" would be happier if they just gave out their bank account information.
I was aware i was getting jewed.
So I didn't buy the shitty bundle. Difference is whereas we punish valve for trying to get away with shitty practice that other companies could abuse.
The bundle was still there it. You could still search for it and everything. You just couldn't add it to your card.
Imagine going to the store and seeing a PS3. Next day you go and see a bundle with the PS3 plus a game for the same price as the one yesterday marked down from their combined total. Next to it is the sign for the PS3 by itself with SOLD OUT printed on it. Do you assume the bundle is the same system you saw yesterday?
>Yeah, I guess that's why the UK has the highest rate of growth in the OECD and
Thanks to its bullshit criminal banking sector. You're not actually producing anything, just moving money around.
>and, since 2009, has added more jobs to the economy than every other country in the EU combined.
Wow, you beat the rest of the flailing commie chumps in the sinking ship called the EU! Give yourself a big hand, britain.
We have rights against misleading sales practices. Rockstar tried to jew customers of the steam sales by adding things of no actual value to their game, saying it's "on sale" but without dropping the price.
That is the most retarded analogy I have ever heard. Consumer rights are there to stop people from getting ripped off.
>gtav 25% off
Thats not informing them of the deal, they should say
>new gtav bundle that costs more, now 25% off to be the same price as the standard game which we've removed from sale but by saying gtav on sale we'll trick you into looking at our page and seeing the big 25% off to make you think this is a great deal since other sites have gtav at 15-20% off so you obviously save more with us, even though we inflated the price to make our reduction a bigger percentage whilst making the game one of the most expensive on the internet! but it's your own fault for thinking its a great deal we've technically not done anything wrong
>We have rights against misleading sales practices
False advertising is illegal here too, but if people are too stupid to do their research and buy it anyways, that's their problem.
>I'm too dumb to think for myself
>I need the gubnerment to protect me
And then the same government starts stuffing your ass with taxes and guess who will you complain to?
Nobody. Game over, sheeple.
>We have rights against misleading sales practices
If this is misleading to the average brit, then by god its no wonder your country fell so hard.
Are all brits legitimately retarded?
>I was aware i was getting jewed.
>So I didn't buy the shitty bundle.
Problem fucking solved, but since the default answer in europe to "why do we need to regulate this?" is "because it's unregulated!" you retards wisely decided this was the time to get government involved.
Fuck you morons. Never bitch about VAT again, these are the wages of socialism.
But it's not their problem. It's the businesses problem. How are you not getting this? If the business follows the law, they don't get into trouble and the consumer lives a happy life.
>the ASA believes there was a reasonable expectation that the discount would apply to both products.
Steam sales on bundles don't always extend to the vanilla game. Nobody's rights were violated. They made an assumption and got mad and cried to mum when they were wrong.
Seems like every Brit law that gets brought up on this site states that something needs to be "reasonable". Basing your law on something subjective is asking to be exploited, and this is one case of it. It's already reaching the point where your rights end where my feelings begin.
Ok listen cause you're finding it really hard to understand.
The SA watchdog is the one that looks out for these things, not the public. They decide what is breaking the rules. We don't have to worry about getting ripped off because we're protected against it.
Please, tell me how this is a bad thing without calling the people who haven't actually gotten ripped off yet retarded.
>All these posters arguing about it being bait and switch or false advertising
I'm just going to link the ruling because you're all retarded.
You do know white muslim is a thing, right? There are fucking loads now, no idea if they're converts or a recent generation of half-casts grown up or what.
Why are Americans so upset by a corporation being treated badly?
Are companies your gods or something? Because the Americans here are going off like a Muslim on a satirical French newspaper.
>Not wanting consumer protection laws to enforce their heavy hand with fines.
Let me guess: you are a valve drone.
No, actually in my country "real business" is a cartel that fixes prices everyday, any day, so they paid the corrupt schmucks to fine the company in question who was a foreign one trying to establish itself on the market selling online from outside the border. Even with the scamming they got fined for they still sold cheaper than the cartel with their fake competition and fixed prices and were encroaching on the mafia bucks.
That business is still around because 4% is nothing to them and the government got some extra cash for free healthcare (or they just stole it like always) so yes it is a good thing thank you very much.
>But it's not their problem. It's the businesses problem.
>I buy something
>It's absolute dogshit and I would have known it if I wasn't a complete retard
>It's somebody else's fault because *I* shouldn't have to be responsible for my own decisions.
Isn't it on the game devs end?
Aren't they being kicked in the balls by the physical retailers with threats like "If they have a lower price than us we aren't stocking your game"?
You can thank FUCKING GAMESTOP for your overpriced games.
That's what they should say, is it? Hey, maybe the government should force them to add a disclaimer saying how videogames are a waste of money and their sixty bucks would be better spent buying fair trade EU regulated straightened bananas. You know, since the government is our nanny and all.
Or by being brainwashed into thinking the corporation that is being fueled by the consumer is more important than the consumer itself.
Think about that and how retarded it sounds.
>Are all brits legitimately retarded?
some of them are and as a society we try to stop corporations taking advantage of that fact for their own profit.
And if you're not a retard how does this even effect you? "oh no they've had to advertise better making it even easier for me to spot a good deal"
>history proved over and over again that once the government gets too big there's no way back and this is how mass imprisonment, persecution and even genocide starts. But whatever, we need more government because this time Marxism will do things right!
Leftism in general in a nutshell.
>actual fucking physical game
Like that matters at this point, steam has fucked PC vidya so hard that you can buy your physical copy and still need to sign up and download the bastard thing to play. Actually disgusted me enough to retreat back into older vidya.
>Or by being brainwashed into thinking the corporation that is being fueled by the consumer is more important than the consumer itself.
It's official, libertarians are collectivists.
Look at it another way. Imagine going to buy a PS3, and seeing a PS3 + game bundle right next to it for one cent penny less than the PS3 on its own.
Why would anyone buy the PS3 by itself? They're paying an extra cent to NOT get a game.
Why would somebody go complain to the authorities about the promotional PS3+game bundle?
Oh fuck off. I've never seen a white muslim in my 28 years of living here. They probably account for less than 5000 people. Meanwhile, brown christians will account for a lot more.
>Or by being brainwashed into thinking the corporation that is being fueled by the consumer is more important than the consumer itself.
They are equally important, although I realize conceding any importance to a corporation at all besides them being the great satan who should be destroyed for the continued happiness of the proletariat is heresy to the socialist mind. The onus is on the consumer to check around and make sure he's getting the best deal possible. That's the end of it. I'm sorry you are the way you are but it's not my problem.
>You buy something that was advertised as being good
>Take it back for a full refund because it's bad and not good
>Company full refunds without dragging you through court because it is your right as a consumer
Laws against misleading ads have their origins BEFORE THE INTERNET.
Lets imagine a company releases an add for a product on sale in your local paper. You take time to physically go there in your car one day, perhaps the only day of the sale, wasting your own resources to do so. There's no way to really research the veracity of the sale, so you simply trust it's true.
When you get down there, the product doesn't exist. The store doesn't sell it. Either it was removed from shelves day of the sale, or the store never sold it in the first place. Maybe there's no sale at all, or the sale is for a totally different product. Which one it is, at this point, doesn't matter. The end result is the same; you're physically at the store having wasted your own time and money, and are now a captive audience for the sales associates to harass you in to buying something while you are still there.
This was dreadfully common before it became illegal.
In a digital marketplace, it's much less an issue, but it's still illegal.
>I've never seen a white muslim in my 28 years of living here
Sorry m8, didn't realise I was speaking to royalty.
>be retarded enough to get scammed
>your choices don't matter anymore and you should get whatever you want
The media can literally lie to you legally, so why not give a fuck when it comes to consumerism?
>Let me guess: you are a valve drone.
Swing and a miss.
I'm actually a GOG shill and hate steam, but this is a retarded decision no matter how you slice it.
>No, actually in my country "real business" is a cartel that fixes prices everyday, any day, so they paid the corrupt schmucks to fine the company in question who was a foreign one trying to establish itself on the market selling online from outside the border. Even with the scamming they got fined for they still sold cheaper than the cartel with their fake competition and fixed prices and were encroaching on the mafia bucks.
So basically big business used government regulation they wrote as a cudgel to fuck over a less connected competitor and meanwhile I'm certain people bitched about how big business and not big government was the problem. Another glorious day in our 'cuthroat capitalist' world, as the socialists call it. God, end my life.
>That business is still around because 4% is nothing to them and the government got some extra cash for free healthcare (or they just stole it like always) so yes it is a good thing thank you very much.
That sentence is legitimately the most depressing thing I've read this whole fucking year just because of it's grueling 'can't make this shit up' conformism. Goddamn anon.
Where does it say that we have no common sense, logic or literacy?
>Company says they're having a sale on item
>There is no actual sale on the item
>"but we're giving away free monopoly money"
>Watchdog says "Don't do this, it's full jew"
>Americans begin to call brits retarded because we didn't eat up Rockstars shit
well well well
>see a clearly listed price
>*add to cart*
>go to cart
>see the clearly listed price again, with actual tax
>go to payment
>see the clearly listed final price and itemized list
>>WHY DID I PAY SO MUCH
Brite confirmed for actual functioning retards
It seems there's 2 ideologies here.
1 people who want companies to manipulate and trick consumers into parting with their money and blame the consumer for falling victim to the tricks
2 people who think companies should be open and honest so that the consumer can easily make an informed decision
What was misleading about this ad? The steam store page made it clear it was the game and and a shark card bundle that was on sale. Why should this require that the base game go on sale as well? Because you don't like it? I didn't either, seeing the bundle sale got my hopes up that the base game was on sale for even less, but that was my own inference. It wasn't even implied anywhere on the main page that the base game was on sale.
>government oversight was invented one hundred-fifty years ago by Karl Marx
>no law has ever been a good thing ever
>the coal wars never happened, the slaughterhouse cases never happened, rivers catching on fire never happened, animal parts being dumped by in rivers by factory farms never happened, riverboats exploding because maintenance is expensive never happened, it's all a reptilian conspiracy theory for a one world government
Libertarianism in a nutshell.
>implying this happened
why are you finding it so hard to comprehend?
Rockstar got called out because they said it was on sale but it wasn't.
They got told not to advertise as a sale when it's not.
They're lying by omission, whilst the second example is clearly overboard Steam needed to do more more make it obvious the promotion was for the bundle only, that is what the asa have decided
Ahaha wait, so if I'm reading the second part of that ruling right...
The issue had nothing to do with people being tricked or misled in buying the bundle or anything. The issue was that for three hours the GTA V base game was listed as on sale at 39.99 marked down from 51.99 when it wasn't actually on sale and had never been 51.99.
That's it? That's their entire problem? Wow it's fucking nothing.
>What was misleading about this ad?
Do keep in mind you just read a post saying these laws came in to existence BEFORE THE INTERNET. When you couldn't verify anything until you were physically at a store, and your physical presence means more effort, money, and ability to be harassed by the sales associates.
Again, it's practically a nonissue now unless you get shipped an entirely different product than what is on your receipt, but that doesn't change it being illegal.
Tough shit for Valve, Law is the law.
>middle class suburb
>The only muslims i've met were brown, and I can count them on my fingers
You really should have put that in your other post then, explains why you're so ignorant of the UK muslim population.
>LOL US 4CHINNERS INTERNET HATE MACHINE AMIRITE?
This meme that "4chan is such a badass place because everybody hates everything!" Has ruined this board beyond repair. This entire board is literally only ever negative discussion now because that's all you fucks think this website is, and shitpost about how "lol nothing is good video gmaes R GAY."
Search earlier for my comments on straightened bananas and VAT. You are fucking yourself over by handing over what should be the higher fucking functions of your mind to government. Do not complain later when all this bullshit starts turning on you and your safety blanket turns into a straitjacket. You really, REALLY asked for this.
So people should spend all there time and mental functions working out the best deals because we allow companies to be underhand. Instead of forcing them to be honest and freeing up our higher functions to do other things?
Except rockstar to this day sells cards.
Selling the game plus cards at a discount from the normal game+cards price is a fucking discount anon.
Its a store saying, "we have apples for 5.99 or Grapes and apples for 25% off at 5.99"
If you fucking want grapes and apples, its a deal, if you want just the apples go fuck yourself, the apples alone are not on sale.
Happens fucking everywhere
sometimes i don't get you guys
how is making sure that megacorps stay as transparent as possible with their customers a bad thing?
the one time a government, by extension of one of its branches, does consumers in general a favor and you guys are seriously complaining that scams should instead be allowed?
i can't even tell if it's shitposting, some kind of envy or plain stupidity anymore.
i seriously hope this is one of those edit/exaggerated comics, it's too sad to even be funny. i can't even say if it takes the sides of the jap guy with good intentions or the "unjustly wronged" people that had to sit through a sinful greeting and some small talk.
>Price gouging is illegal, even if you're selling it at a "discount" for the same price. It's misleading.
But the discount was a mistake, was only listed for a few hours, and the game was actually unbuyable the whole time.
BASED NANNY STATE LOOKING OUT FOR THE LITTLE GUY
But thicko, if you go into a random green grocers and want to buy something, and see 'Joes Farms Apples' are on 'sale' because of misleading advertising, put there either intentional or inept, and purchase them because you think they're on sale instead of supporting another company like 'Cids Farms Oranges' which are the same price but not on sale, that's A) misleading the customer, B) unfair competition
Those people are retarded and are buying handshakes when it should come with the whole body.
As we can see, there's no cure for retardation, only the government can step in to help the retards in the few scenarios they can.
It's not really big business as much as oligarchs established by internal and external mafia who own the government and use it's laws as they see fit. Even if big government wasn't the case I hope you know that mafia cartels enforce their way with stiff like paid hitmen and exploding cars. So no, business will not flourish under any condition or circumstance.
Your political understanding doesn't apply here. It's not big business vs free market or liberals vs conservatives. We don't have that here.
>hat sentence is legitimately the most depressing thing
Not as depressing as actually living here. At least when one of those "cuthroat capitalist" companies gets fined I get a 10% "not getting stolen by corrupt politicians" chance of seeing some of that money going to something productive for me and my sad rat life.
Maybe a lamp post or two will get repainted? Here's keeping my fingers crossed.
Just barely related, where do we britbongs stand on 50p each or 3 for £2? See it everywhere.
At what point does it stop being misleading and actually become retards fucking themselves and deserving it?
>So people should spend all there time and mental functions working out the best deals because we allow companies to be underhand.
How fucking hard is it to compare prices? On a fucking digital item on a computer no less, fuck you nigger.
>Instead of forcing them to be honest and freeing up our higher functions to do other things?
Reminder that power you relinquish is power you'll never get back, not in this age. Shit like this seems harmless enough (though it is indisputably stupid) but anybody that claims regulatory power that could be better served by you simply not being a fucking idiot is someone you need to keep an eye on even more than the corporations themselves, because at least the corporations treat you like you're a customer instead of a retarded infant who must have his decisions facilitated by their intervention.
God, I'm wasting my fucking breath. You don't get it and you'll never get it, you're european (no offense). Fuck it. Cheerlead shit like this all you like but don't complain later once it's got a nice head of steam and they're making most of your decisions for you well beforehand.
I think the idea is that it directs the outflow of hot air into the side of the case rather than into the other components. it doesn't need to be particularly powerful or efficient
>because at least the corporations treat you like you're a customer instead of a retarded infant who must have his decisions facilitated by their intervention
This is the single most retarded thing I have read, and I've read this entire thread.
If you seriously believe that than there is no point in continuing this conversation.
Only the government are power whores, only through government intervention can you have control, it's not like being rich is ten billion times more powerful than being president.
I'll take my fucking chances with the hitmen and carbombs. At least those are openly against the law, you can fight against that a lot more comfortably than a government at the beck and call of corporations who will fuck your ass entirely legally and with the legitimate authority the people have ostensibly given them.
>how is making sure that megacorps stay as transparent as possible with their customers a bad thing?
Because "muh freedums!".
You have to understand that these anons dream of rising up to become megacorps able to exploit those beneath them as well.
And as such they will fight to protect the top's ability to trample on those beneath them, because if not they fear that they won't be able to if they reach their level themselves.
Potato, poh-tah-toh. It's not hard to be smarter than a corporation anon. You're only a cash cow if you allow yourself to be one. It's your responsibility not to be one and to use your mind to make smart decisions. The government can't save you from being a retard no matter how hard it tries and all it'll end up doing is fucking things up for normal people in their attempt.
percentages don't really mean anything
Getting 1% of (rocket science) right compared to getting 100% of the 10 times table is not the same.
If you were studying in UK, how were the questions compared to your last test? That's the important part.
>muh evil corporations muh one percent
Get a fucking grip you retards. Stop being retarded, that's legitimately all you have to do instead of signing your fucking soul away to a nanny state. Be a fucking free man who can think and speak and act on his own behalf. It's not hard!
>The front page didn't.
When the sale started during the three hours Valve accidentally had the GTA V base game listed as for sale the front page listed the sale for GTA V [-25-75%]. After the mistake was caught it changed the GTA [-25-75%].
There was nothing misleading about the front page beyond the initial mistake.
Kinda weird how neo-liberal /v/ is for a bunch of downtrodden NEETs. Guess it explains the rampant subservience to vidya companies on here though.
Is it just an anglo-sphere thing where people think faceless mega-corps actually give a shit about their well-being?
>If you seriously believe that than there is no point in continuing this conversation.
I already said that.
>Only the government are power whores, only through government intervention can you have control,
You're having a meltdown. This is incoherent.
>You're only a cash cow if you allow yourself to be one
but why should we allow them to milk people? You're saying we should all put effort into not being extorted and I'm saying we should not allow people to extort others.
And I'd also say its the responsibility of a society to look out for it's members, while you're saying everything is your own responsibility and you shouldn't rely on anyone else
Results are normalised to account for variation in test difficulty.
For a test which people find easy you have to get ~90%. For a test which people find hard you can get away with lower.
It's worth mentioning we also have a full grade above A though.
Valve is still responsible for filtering shit like that. I really hope they will get fucked once or twice, so they will actually do their job once in a while or hire more people.
>Kinda weird how neo-liberal /v/ is for a bunch of downtrodden NEETs.
I've met a few of these people in real life. It comes from them never having had a job before in their lives and their rich as fuck parents telling them that as long as they work hard, they can do anything. This shit is just a defense mechanism to tell themselves that they can eventually accomplish all of their wildest dreams and that the only thing stopping them is the big bad government, not their laziness, lack of work ethic, tardiness (common thread of all of them, it's like they don't understand the concept of time), lack of higher education, and general incompetence.
The right thing to do is make people learn from their mistakes and have their own responsibility, not coddle them like toddlers.
>I'll take my fucking chances with the hitmen and carbombs. At least those are openly against the law, you can fight against
HAHAHA OHOHO. Here I am laughing out loud I should have put one of those laughing with tears pics but I don't have one.
And how are you going to fight against it? Who will have your back? The Police? The government underpays them and who do you think fills up their monthly salaries with bribes? That same mafia. You thought they own just the government?
Do you want to know how all of this cartel mafia got established in the first place? What let to this legal/illegal business be just two faces of one coin?
The Free market. Sure it was everyone can start a business in the beginning. And everyone pretty much did. Small businesses everywhere. Then they got eaten up one by one by criminals payed with foreign crime money. I knew a guy who was a millionaire who is now homeless. Now it's just the cartel and mafia.
>keep pretending you know on the other side of the pond tho
You're referencing your own personal moat and still think you can relate to the rest of the UK?
>trying to reduce freedom to a bad thing
You keks actually like getting trampled on
Keep your anti-resposibility laws and I'll keep my freedom.
Then they should be put in a mental institution or be left to lose everything if they're that retarded.