>Overwatch is coming to consoles
Ah, so that's why the movement is complete garbage with no depth or interesting mechanics, it was designed to be played on a controller.
TF2 matchmaking can't come any sooner, Overwatch confirmed casual shitter game.
>movement with no depth or interesting mechanics
>TF2 matchmaking can't come any sooner
Confirmed never played TF2.
Overwatch movement abilities consist of pushing a button. You can't fail at pushing a button, there's no depth to it.
TF2 is about manipulating physics.
Overwatch is literal console garbage.
Retard casual detected
You're aware other games have these decisions as well right? But these decisions actually require skill and thought to apply?
Get the fuck out you insufferable casual
>not being happy for Overwatch, even if you're a TF2 fan
Overwatch coming out could be one of the best things to happen to Team Fortress in a long time. If Overwatch turns out actually decent, for the first time Valve will have some legitimate competition in the whole class-based FPS market.
If Valve wants to keep making a profit on TF with a decent opposition, they're gonna have to up their game to bring in players.
oh there's battleborn too but we all know that's probably gonna flop
No, because Valve game have actual depth and interesting mechanics. Overwatch was literally designed for controllers and the limitations of controllers.
There's absolutely no depth to pushing a button. Anyone can push a button. It takes practise to >>315612546
What pcfags? You mean the streamer fags who were goven copies of the beta to further make money by showing? I'll bet they love it. I have heard nothing but pure hate for this game in the past few weeks. Shitty character designs no depth not free to play yet will still have microtransactions... Who said this was good before we beard of console ports? Everything i've heard in reference to console ports is along the lines of "ohhh that explains why it's so bad."
Of course I did you fucking retard casual faggot. Source is based on GoldSRC so the movement is similar. We had years of experience with Source before TF2 came out so we knew what it was going to be like.
Also, what the fuck does your post even imply? Overwatch is out and its confirmed babbies first FPS console garbage.
oh eat a dick, surfing isnt fucking difficult.
you literally just hold the strafe button down when on the ramp. And surfing was just some little exploit someone found out.
>yes surfing was great in CSS
>no, surfing is not a legitimate argument that TF2 has better "movement" than Overwatch
>Overwatch confirmed casual shitter game.
I also genuinely believed that after Diablo 3, Hearthstone and Hots - Blizzard was going to continue their streak of obscure, hardcore games with Overwatch.
Sniping in TF2:
>Even headshots aren't guaranteed frags
>Enemies flying through the sky
>Enemies moving fast
>Spies can sneak past and backstab
>Need to charge weapon
Sniping in CSGO:
>Enemies come from one angle
>Hit target anywhere except the legs for a frag
Wew lad, the depth.
I'm not even going to go into CSGO's first shot accuracy and recoil variance RNG.
>camping > rushing
>cripple on hit
>nonexistent quake physics
>I'm not even going to go into CSGO's first shot accuracy and recoil variance RNG.
Please do, I want to laugh at some random autist who thinks he's an authority on RNG in videogames.
post yfw TF2 will never ever become an e-sport
>mfw blizzdrones will still defend this and try to make it an esport
Jeeezzz could we just for once appreciate the fact that companies compete with each other and we gamers have more freedom to choose games from. One-game, one-true-mechanic, one reich Nazi gamers are everywhere...
>What is a pre-purchase
Read the contents of the bundles, they specifically mention that they include the heroes. Do you think Blizzard's business practices are shitty enough to charge a full price + nickel and dime for playable characters?
E-sports are a cancer worse than session pass to games.
Youre one stupid mother fucker.
>GTFO YOU REDDIT TUMBLRING FAGGOT
>Doesnt see reddit face as guy taking it in the add with the "Blizzard fan" text
Its almost as if you suffer from down syndrome.
>People are acting like the minuscule amount of RNG variance even matters in high level play
There is obvious RNG variance but it is so irrelevant that it never decides any gunfight unless you play silver.
Did you know that shotguns are so random that it's very possible that something that should've been a one hit kill to the head will sometimes end up being a two shot? And with shotguns that basically means you lose if you don't kill in one shot. The spread is so wild and random that anything other than point blank is literally rolling the dice.
God I hate Youtubers and Streamers. That guy played like shit too. Didn't go for that full health drop when he was was really low even though he was right next to it, didn't get the other pack that is safely inside the building, didn't swap songs, just hop around and hope nobody shoots him.
These people have the most infated egos I've ever seen
I can tell from the spread that those sprays are both at about 30-40 yards, at which range you shouldn't be spraying to begin with
so, no, you didn't "btfo" anyone, you stupid fucking shitposting idiot fuck
>TF2 matchmaking can't come any sooner, Overwatch confirmed casual shitter game.
So whats the deal with this? It was announced in April I think, and not a word since then. I've been itching for this.
Buying more than 2(sometimes 3 depending on the map) is very risky as if the other team is coordinated enough you will at most get off one shot before they are being close.
Not denying the AWP is ridiculously powerful but it isn't OP. Otherwise every comp team would buy 5 of them.
all guns in csgo have a range at which the first shot isn't perfectly accurate, for the guns in the game that matter, ie the colt and ak, this range is extremely long
once again, stop shitposting about games you've never played and know nothing about, you stupid nigger fuck
>There is obvious RNG variance but it is so irrelevant that it never decides any gunfight
Are you fucking retarded? You think people just tap 100% of the time in CS? Of course the variance matters you fucking retard.
CSGO babbies are maximum delusional
There's RNG in CS
>No there's isn't
Proven that there's RNG in CS
>Yeah but it doesn't matter
Proven that it does matter
>Yeah well your game sucks and I can't even state why
What is first shot inaccuracy.
Also, even the first two shots have RNG on them.
There's no way you're above SMFC. Nobody above SMFC would deny that CSGO has RNG, it's part of the game you dumb faggot. It's nothing to be ashamed of.
>Proven that it does matter
when did you prove this?
oh wait, you didn't
by your logic, I could make a team with 4 friends and we could win every major because of the rng
holy god you anti-cs shitters are so fucking retarded it blows my mind, I think you're all just silver trash that can't understand why they get 2 kills per game and always lose
Team work is the only factor that isn't RNG you dumb faggot retard. It's about executing strats and doing the best you can despite the RNG.
Holy fuck, you fucking casual fucking faggot stop talking about CS when you have no history about the game. I bet CSGO was your first CS.
>It's nothing to be ashamed of.
it actually is and why csgo's gun play is fucking garbage. where's the variation in play styles compared to 1.6 and even css? it's non existent. everything is just spray fest bullshit which makes it incredibly boring to watch. because of the rng and because of the the way recoil reset works you don't see anyone with that one tap play style anymore. it's just crouch, spray and awps with overpowered pistols as well. the game is trash. it's only popular because of skins and gambling. FACT. i'm personally lobbying to make csgo gambling illegal so the game gets destroyed.
It was from about here champ.
But sure, keep pretending you have even the slightest idea about CS. I can't believe you're actively denying RNG exists within CSGO. It's proof most you faggots here are like tumblr game posers who don't actually play the shit you claim to.
>>gets objectively blown the fuck out
I was? how? i missed it
>>b-but, I played 1.5 when I was 8 years old and have no proof
how am I supposed to prove I played something when I was 13 before steam even existed?
Whut? I havent played CS in 2 years, but is this seriously what shit posting has come down to? Arguing about spray RNG when not only are you not supposed to spray more than 10 bullets , spraying has always been a gamble sort of thing ?
For Christ's sake, those bullets patterns are pretty much the same . please tell me that's just shitposting and that tiny little thing doesn't really upset you that much
>still not acknowledging RNG exists
Are you seriously implying that pros won't win pretty much every single gun fight against a much worse player?
The RNG variance only applies to shots during the ascent of the recoil once you compensate for the recoil it will start to cluster and as long as you compensate for recoil you will get a nice circle of bullets that all reliably hit center of mass depending on distance.
You don't spray for the head you idiot.
I never said rng doesn't exist, I said it was so small and negligible that it doesn't matter
I'll repeat what I said before, by your logic anyone can be a top player in CS as long as they have the reflexes to point at someone and hold crouch and the mouse button
It exists but you also claimed that it decides gun fights which it doesn't because once you compensate for recoil the variance is so negligible that it won't let you beat a player who is better at compensating for the recoil.
Are you seriously implying that pros won't win pretty much every single gun fight against a much worse player?
How much worse? Because even a very high skilled quake player wouldn't touch a pro.
In CSGO, a high skilled player and pro can dual and it would be pretty much even. Mechanical skill in CS is miniscule in comparison.
If you run a frag through a simulator 1000 times, using the exact same player inputs and player locations, you will never be absolutely guaranteed the frag because of variances outside of the player controls.
How does that not matter?
pieces are falling together after each update valve ships out (atleast major ones)
there's even beta servers running right now as we speak but you can't connect to them since they're "lobby only" servers
>If you run a frag through a simulator 1000 times, using the exact same player inputs and player locations, you will never be absolutely guaranteed the frag because of variances outside of the player controls.
And I am saying you are overestimating the variance. The simulator will without a doubt get a kill every time if the distance is within the normal spray range.
It doesn't matter because the game is balanced around dynamically adjusting to what's happening on screen.
Fact : spraying more than 3 bullets has always been risky.
Fact: spraying less than 10 bullets is a trade-off between diminished RNG and a somewhat easy spray to pull off. It is still risky , as all sprays are.
Fact: if you're at a range where spraying is fucking you in the ass, RNG or not, then you're a fucking idiot who's using close quarter combat tactics in long range.
What the fuck even is the deal with these shitters? From your logic, every shot that doesn't hit center of the crosshair is bullshit RNG because you aren't really aiming there.
Back to CoD, and enjoy the game you play. No need to be an asshat.
>against a player I've never even fucking heard of
you just invalidated everything you've posted thus far, sorry
Bro, the bullet spray patterns are not set in stone, there small variances. Anyone who denies this hasnt played CSGO.
Anyone can go in game, hold down left click onto a wall multiple clips through at 15 units and see that it isnt the same.
You CSGO kiddies are just as bad as the COD kiddies. You probably think that the game still doesnt have major hit box problems either, or multiple no reg faults.
>Bro, the bullet spray patterns are not set in stone, there small variances. Anyone who denies this hasnt played CSGO.
Nobody is denying the fucking RNG you Mongoloid. The people who claim that it has an effect on top level play are the ones who are retarded.
>Game can't even pull more than a few thousand viewers already
>Seven months until release
This game is going to choke and die before it even touches the fucking floor
what the FUCK are you doing blizzard
>Hearthstone pulling 27k viewers with no one on
>Overwatch can't even break 10k without Forsen or Summit streaming
>They only invited streamers to their beta for viewers/publicity and they can't even get them
>It doesnt have an effect on top level play
>See pros missing bullets cause rng all the time
Just to quantify this:
>LE at most (Most likely GN) CSGO faggots on /v/ claim sprays don't have variance >>315616464
It does >>315616550 >>315616832
>claim first shot accuracy doesn't exist >>315616793
It does >>315617031
>CSGO faggots claim skill gap in CSGO is massive >>315619696
Proven casters can be pros in duals >>315619776
Can you be more blown the fuck out?
I haven't played it but the simplicity is probably why it will succeed. Blizzard's target is not you or me, it's casuals. They only use the hype from their drones for free marketing, the design is for casuals. See Hearthstone.
Its true though, it doesnt even have to do with Blizzcon. There first few days it was hype and it slowly fell off. Pre-Blizzcon it was only getting like like 10-15k views. People who dont watch twitch probably didnt notice but it went from something like 60k average the first few days to, 30k then its where its currently at.
>>I haven't played it but the simplicity is probably why it will succeed. Blizzard's target is not you or me, it's casuals. They only use the hype from their drones for free marketing, the design is for casuals. See Hearthstone.
>It's casual so it will succeed
HEROES OF THE STORM IS A HUGE FAILURE AND IT COULDN'T BE ANY MORE CASUAL WHAT DOES THAT SAY ABOUT YOUR ARGUMENT, BLIZZDRONE?
I wonder what her ass looks like in that outfit.
Also other costumes listed include "slipstream tracer" which sounds hot.
Game is shit, 6vs6 for gaymer esports but where is the actual game?
CS, Quake, Battlefield, TF > all these fucking games hab public servers were you drop in casual and have fun. Esports and competitive play was born natural after you accumulated a huge community. Blizzard thinks if they push esports as hard as they can, it will get super popular and they get rich. Reality is, I don't wanna play shitty esports gaymes were people take it serious and there is no fun to be had. The game is buy2play also, fuck off.
Fuck this piece of shit TF2 clone, you suck Blizzard, you SUCK. You were great long ago but it's over Blizzard, you fucking SUCK. FUCK YOU Diablo 3 is GARBAGE. HotS became boring. Hearthstone is gay, I hate card gaymes. Fuck you Blizzard you fucking scrubs, make a game I want to play. FUCK OFF BLIZZARD FUCK YOU
Not even being inclusive to competitive. there's not many active fps games and the casual tf2 that destroyed everything sacred about tfc is one of the games with the most depth.
>FPS Market isn't saturated
>Casual FPS Market isn't saturated
>Implying the "team based TF2 class clone FPS market" is anything meaningful
Also good job only inviting big streamers like Bjergsen, Dyrus, Forsen, Trump, ect. to your T R A D I T I O N A L B E T A, Blizzard
I can see its doing wonders for publicity! I will be sure to pick up a copy of Overwatch(tm) for the low price of $40 at my local gamestop!
A closed beta they specifically invited big streamers to so they could get shit tons of views/hype
Now they have no views and hype is already turning on them. By the 7th month people aren't going to care anymore, just like with every other early access game.
>Top tf2 players who have been streaming the game non-stop have said the game is great
>/v/ who hasn't played it says it will be shit
No, $60 is the "Origin" edition.
The game is priced at $40, evident by Gamestop inventories.
Except I wasn't talking about players, I was talking about viewers/publicity, which Blizzard wanted considering they invited numerous streamers that didn't even ask for beta invites, Dyrus said he got one and he never even fucking heard of Overwatch, and he stopped playing 3 days later.
>Top TF2 players
I know of 3, and Seagull is a shill on all fucking levels.
Blizzard won't invite Sodapoppin because they KNOW he would fucking shit on the game despite giving them good viewers/advertising. They're afraid of being criticized already and they have 7 months to go.
It's a game in beta, that's been at shit tons of cons so there's a shit load of footage of it. People aren't gonna sit there and watch a multiplayer only beta that they can't play when they've seen a lot of the content a million times already.
god damn I loved CSS surf "rpg" maps with the trap rooms and shit
I remember one of those had Austin Powers quotes when traps were activated, best map ever
"I want sharks with frikkin laser beams attached to their heads"
I wanna play that map now fffuuuu
Of course the TF2 pros are supporting this game.
Seagull gets 4k viewers streaming Overwatch.
He will not, under any circumstances, criticize the game.
Because if he does he will go back to being a literal who with 0 viewers.
He needs this game to survive. He is fucking banking on it. As are the rest of the pros.
>coming to consoles
>charging 60 dollarydoos for an online only fps
>"pre-purchase now and get day 1 DLC!"
Holy shit I knew Blizzard would find a way to fuck this up. They find a way to fuck everything up. It was wrong to keep hopes up in the first place.
nice try but if they don't want me to judge their game they better not release it
as soon as it is released I will judge what I see, I don't care if stuff happens in the future
their excuse "it's a beta guys, not finished yet" can fuck itself because they releaesed it in that state
Perhaps because sodapoppin's opinion is worthless. Also
>afraid of being criticized
>so lets invite people who have been on top of tf2 for years because they totally won't criticize it
>Twitch viewers don't matter! It isn't indicative of how well the game is doing!
This would be an argument if the game wasn't attempting to be an Esport, which basically means "Requires a large online streaming audience"
If it doesn't have that, it already failed at being an Esport. Even DotA2 gets 50-60k viewers when its just fucking nobodies streaming regular matches. Overwatch can't even pull 5k unless Forsen shows up, and even then Forsen pulls 8k viewers compared to his 25k when he streams Hearthshit.
If Binding of Isaac, a roguelike with little to no spectator value, is already beating Overwatch, a game dedicating half of its efforts to being the next big Esport in a market that doesn't even have competition, then the game is fucked.
>Overwatch confirmed casual shitter game
So just like any other blizzard game then?
I need the video but there are millions of Sasha videos.
what? you mean brad and seagull? they haven't even played tf2 competitively in like 2 years
who else even got into the beta? I haven't seen anyone else streaming but them, I would assume platinum got in bc he hasn't been on steam in weeks but I know he hasn't been streaming and I'm pretty sure that's part of the contract
Would you be happier if I said modern blizzard games? SC2 replaced everything with APM and buildorders where most games are decided in the first 3 minutes of what you build and if your opponent builds the counter or not.
Let me fix that for you
Sniping in TF2
>Point and click, receive rage
>Equip shields to fuck over whichever of your counters are posing the bigger threat
>Throw piss and crit people because apparently it wasn't fair to be able to get 150s from range, Sniper also needed 195s in melee
People use to say the same shit about your example Dota (which you seem to think is small for en esport or something, there's more money in Dota than any other game between salaries and prize pools) when it was in Beta and never got any views. You mention the random streamers who stream Dota, do you think they just appeared the day it went into Beta? There needs to be time for a game to garner popularity, for regular streamers for a game to appear not just guys who stream every fotm.
Your logic is retarded and not based in anything about your own misinformed opinions.
you are moving at about half a unit per second and your mouselook in completely and utterly aimless.
you look like a first timer. you are probably the guy from a couple of days ago that was arguing about depth of movement then said you hold W during rocketjumps.
woah, seriously? first I've ever heard of that
I know b4nny though, he won't stick with overwatch, he only plays tf2 because he's the best, he won't move to another game where he won't be the best
You really are stupid. Not surprising that LoL babies think LoL is the only game that's successful. I've never seen a group so single mindedly obsessed with their game that is just an excuse to nickel and dime it's players endlessly.
Yes it was, that's why they took out so many mechanics from TFC like ammo throwing, flag throwing, grenades, etc.
I care a lot more about the opinions of FPS players on an FPS than the opinions of MMOfags on an FPS.
TF2 was casual console shit from day 1.
>People can't kill you damn well near instantly.
>Spys can't just pull out their revolver and shot you.
>You're supposed to stay in one spot with tunnel vision, unaware of rocket or sticky jumpers.
Forsen is a HS streamer and when he streams something else he loses half his viewers. Happens with everyone else except guys like Lirik who stream pretty much everything.
Dota was a thing before Valve even considered bringing Icefrog along to make Dota 2. Overwatch is completely new with no history behind it.
>Invite streamers to your "traditional beta" for viewers
>Get no viewers
>Well it's just a beta it doesn't count come back in SEVEN MONTHS when it's actually released!
I remember when /v/ had some blizzard drones defending the real money auction house in D3 as well.
Man, for the best selling PC game of all time diablo 3 sure is a fucking ghost town now, eh blizzard?
Optimal ways to play are an inevitability of 2015 and the internet and shit like day9.
Then what separates the pros from the plebs is execution and who do you think designed the build orders in the first place?
Finally I have to ask how did the opponent know to build the counter do you think it's luck or well timed scouting? When you saw them scout your shit (assuming you did) did you change what you were doing to catch them unawares. Did you attack sooner or later knowing that they'd be doing something to deal with what you were up to?
TLDR: You're an oversimplifying moron
That jump isn't about speed you fucking autist, you'd fuck up your sync otherwise. The rocket boosts on surfing provide more than enough speed.
And who gives a fuck where I'm aiming when it changes NOTHING about your physics unless you're airstrafing?
Another dumb faggot BTFO.
Never got any outside of the International and people said the same shit in Dota threads as they are now in Overwatch threads. You clearly weren't here back then if you don't remember.
>took out so many mechanics from TFC like ammo throwing
This really didn't add any depth to the game except make engineers stronger
Lets be real, grenades made TFC into a clusterfuck. They had there place, yes they where fun, but a gimmick that needed removing from the next game.
blizzard has been shit for a decade now. why the fuck do you idiots still pay attention to them? they're a corpse that peaked in the late 90s, early 00s and then sold their soul for subscription bux. rip, nigzard.
They are gonna have a hard time selling this game and maintaining a healthy player base. Multiplayer isn't what is used to be anymore. So many games out there nowadays and not enough players. It looks good from a marketing standpoint, this trailer but what I saw from the actualy game is not impressive at all. I wanna see this movie made though.
Try to do this in-game, you'll land dead or with almost no HP.
Rocket jumping is a nice concept and it's even fun to try on servers designed for it, but it's not that useful in-game.
pay to play might not be a bad thing
f2p is always filled with shitheads and kids, the only problem is that they might charge $60 instead of something more reasonable like $30 - $40 AND add f2p tier jewery like microtranscations
Do you even play TF2? Rocket jumping as a soldier happens pretty much every engagement...
I know loads of shit about TFC like the weapon swap glitch and the pitch shit letting you flip upside down.
I played the fuck out of it, but if you're referring to literally hitting the "drop flag" button while at velocity being a mechanic I'm fucking confused.
I'm not the guy who originally mentioned it but tossing flags between concing medics was legit as fuck.
Even in pubs people would throw it to a teammate as they were about to die.
>He will not, under any circumstances, criticize the game.
>spends like half his time criticizing how fucking stupid decisions concerning the game's HUD are and how balance is kind of borked right now
Well no fucking shit. But claiming a few rockets does too much damage is a fucking lie. Also in comp you should be jumping in when overhealed, so you have an ever bigger buffer.
Its shit aside from those 4 seconds, no idea what the name was though.
I think they shot the game in the foot a bit with the initial purchase if they mean to have the skins on sale. For 60€ it should have tens of maps and game modes for each at launch and it wont.
>tf2fags making fun of overwatch because it's on consoles
>tf2 is on consoles too
Surfing used to be all I did back in CS:S and it literally just is holding strafe and using the mouse to get sick angles for more speed/height.
>First time going onto a surf map not knowing what it is
>See everyone flying about sliding on these triangles
>Jump off to try yourself
>Fall to your death
>Everyone calling you shit except one cool guy who teaches you how to surf
Things were better back then.
Most likely not
TF2 on 360 was never updated because memory issues
Blizzard did pretty well with Diablo 3 on PS4/X1, it ran at 60FPS even in rifts and greater rifts. so I'm sure they could pull it off