>With Valve's long-awaited initiative to bring PC gaming to the living room now just days away, the head of the company has claimed its hardware line-up can offer better performance-value than consoles.
>In an interview with Develop, Gabe Newell was quoted as saying: "At console price points, we're going to have machines like Alienware's, which are faster than today's consoles."
>He continued: "So the same price point as today, except you get better performance and you're connected to everything you like about the PC and the Internet."
On Valve's Steam Machine store page, thirteen separate hardware units are listed, with Alienware's system priced at $450. The final specs are not explicitly stated, though the most recent Steam Machine specs assessment suggested the device carried an Intel Core i3 Dual-Core processor, an NVIDIA Geforce GTX with 2GB of GDDR5 memory, 4GB of DDR3L system RAM, and a 500GB hard-drive.
>Elsewhere in the interview, Newell claimed that its Steam Machine enterprise will break down the long-held belief that PC gaming doesn't fit in living-room spaces.
>"Our perception is that customers are always going to make the best choices for what they want," he said.
>"We can knock down the barriers that keep PC gaming out of the living room, and then customers can decide what they want."
Where were you when Gaben saved gaming once again?
>over priced garbage
All prebuilts are. You can build your own Steam Machine if you want to.
>controller is shit
Have you used it yet? Its great for FPS games and PC games. Its just not that great for some console ports and indie games where a more traditional gamepad is still better.
DESU a i5 laptop with an intel HD 5500 intergrated card will play a surprising amount of games current consoles balk at.
At the end of the day, if you code for shit on x86 platforms, it will at least work reasonably well on x86 platforms, but terrible on others. And visa versa.
SONY, Nintendo will do anything not not to conform, but SONY are at least getting closer.
MS have always basically sold laptop hardware in a box in their XBox series, for better or for worse.
>/v/ loves Gaben, writes him letters, visits Valve headquarters, and will defend him and Steam relentlessly
>/v/ hates Gaben and Steam and actively finds ways to shitpost everything Valve does
What the fuck happened?
I just don't understand it from a marketing standpoint. Everyone who wanted a living room game machine bought a ps4 over a year ago. Did they just take too long? People who have gaming pcs don't want this and people who want consoles already have them.
I am interested in the steam link, it would be nice to play PC games in my living room. I've tried streaming but it doesn't work very well.
Yes, but too many people use 'PC' to mean 'Windows PC' which has poisoned the term to the general public. An entire industry has popped up in selling devices that are PCs but which try not to look like or be called PCs to avoid that negative association.
Gaben decided to switch to Linux. That makes the Windows fanboys angry that they might have to actually learn about computers.
>avoid that negative association.
>Gaben decided to switch to Linux. That makes the Windows fanboys angry
Oh, i understand, another linux kiddie.
Steam machines will be the blunder of the century. $450 for 4gigs of ram and a non specified, probably shitty, 2GB GPU
Who the fuck will buy this shit except for Valvedrones who think anything related to Gabe Newell is automatically gold? Fuck these Gentoo machines, buy a Craptop or build your own PC instead. Or just
buy a console
Why does he try to do so much? Just go back to making video games, even if they are mostly just other people's ideas
People are always in the market for new PC hardware, and a lot of people have been holding off buying anything because of the massive disappointments of Windows 8 and 10. Once Windows 7 is no longer offered for sale on new systems later this month SteamOS will make more sense.
I don't expect Steam Machines to be a massive initial success, but over time as their library grows and PC hardware becomes cheaper its going to be very hard for traditional consoles to survive, and the compatibility between SteamOS and desktop GNU/Linux will help get gaming out of the hands of traditional console companies.
>not a meme (on reddit and the rest of the internet)
>a meme (on the reddit and the rest of the internet)
Although I don't know why people love him. He was a hack then and he's a hack now
>guaranteed money printing press
>make Steam Machines
>huge risk with a distinct possibility of failure
I don't understand. Why waste the time and energy on a riskier project when they could make even a mediocre HL3 and be rolling in money.
>a proprietary Linux distro that will likely be designed for ease of use by console gamers will require people to learn about computers.
Are you retarded? You act like they're suddenly going to have to open terminal sessions and shit.
Most people just liked the sales.
Now that the sales aren't so good anymore and Valve is determined to piss away all the good will they built up by being greedy pricks their fanbase is dwindling.
Honestly, the Gabe worship was always a bit embarrassing, it was no different from Applefags and their bullshit.
1598 games as of this moment. Steam Machines will launch with a catalog of over 1600 titles.
Have you spoken to a normal person? They buy iPads, Chromebooks, Android Phones, etc as their main computing devices precisely because yes Windows has given the PC a bad reputation. Too many people are stuck in the notion that a PC has to have a low res screen (because of Windows poor resolution independence), that it will be slow, that it will have viruses, etc.
>iPads, Android Phones
Yes, but thats not PC at all.
Kek, you are retard, ok.
>1598 games as of this moment.
CoD BO3, Fallout4, Witcher 3, MGSV.
Which one of this games you can play on Linux/SteamOS.
If you're a PC gamer now with a gaming PC odds are you aren't going to be running SteamOS, you'll be using a desktop distro. If you are running SteamOS you're probably still going to want to open it up and get Retroarch, Dolphin, Kodi, PoL and everything else installed.
Either of those will require you to know a little bit about the platform you're using. Though neither one will require you to use Bash any more than Windows requires you to use Power Shell.
>all this talk about steam machines
>valvedrones refusing to talk about sales nmbers
Yaaay! We are getting another proprietary OS under the full control of a single company!!
I can't wait until they bring up the walled garden so I can feel like I own a console instead of a PC!
I can't wait for MS vs Valve "PC wars" on /v/, the future is so bright in idiocracy!
Witcher 3 at least has been announced.
Its effectively the launch of a console platform, and a lot of titles appear to be waiting till after the release when Vulkan is available to be released.
The Darksiders games are apparently close to release, a dev said 98%. The Saints Row series are apparently all coming. Epic has UT4 and that new game that they showed off the other day on the way. Crytek is apparently working on ports. Even Ubisoft has a couple of games on the platform and on the way.
And pretty much all of those things are rather easy to use, is my point.
Linux is only hard to use when you get into the meaty stuff. Stuff like Kodi, etc. are going to be relatively simple, and that's assuming SteamOS doesn't have any way of making downloading and setting up programs easier.
What kind of autistic nerd has their PC in their living room? Losers thats who. Doesn't matter how big or small it is. When I bring home chicks I set up the console and we play before I give her a good dicking. If I had a PC there she would never get wet.
>not having a huge screen and projector to watch movies and play Wii on your PC in the living room
would not have sex with
>full control of a single company
Do you understand how Linux works? Once a game is on SteamOS putting that same game in the GoG store for Linux, or up on the Humble store with a Linux version is trivial.
Microsoft has absolute control over DirectX, Windows. That means that they can prevent companies from supporting DirectX on other platforms, or even supporting the latest DirectX on older versions of Windows. No one else can modify Windows and distribute Windows 7 with DirectX 12.
Valve on the other hand has very little control over Vulkan, SDL, Mesa, or Linux itself. If they chose to abuse what little control they have their attempts at locking the platform down will be easily bypassed. In fact, there's already forked version of SteamOS.
>implying there's other consoles that cost $700+
what's the point of a steam machine anyway? is it for pc gamers who are too autistic to buy a console but still want to play vidya on a tv?
Fuck off Gaben. There is virtually market for living room gaming PCs because PC gamers don't want to play on a TV. Putting Linux on these boxes only makes it worse because it limits your game selection to less than 20% of all PC games.
Your shitboxes have none of the plug&play simplicity of a console, nowhere near the game selection of a real PC and are severely lacking in performance and upgradeability.
Stop bringing console shitters to PC and stop bringing DRM to Linux.
As someone who primarily games on PC I would like you to explain how exactly Valve is saving PC gaming or gaming in general by downgrading PC to console while also coming up with nefarious new ways to make money that doesn't actually require them to do anything. And to think people actually complain about taxes...
>having the pc in the living room with the screen facing the door
>not having your pc in the privacy of your bedroom with the screen facing the opposite direction of the door
Its for three groups of people right now.
People who had a PC, but don't anymore because they primarily use another device for computing but still want PC games.
People who have never had a PC but want to play PC games.
People who want an open console style platform.
The third group is a proven, if small market that hasn't been served well in a long time and are the most likely early adopters. The first group is probably the market Steam Machines are best positioned at right now with lots of nostalgia games. The second group will be small at first, but will ultimately be the largest group as this console generation drags on and console hardware falls further behind in price/performance and library.
who's supposed to buy this piece of shit? it's not going to get any exclusives and the controller will bomb with console players. is he putting all his hopes and shekels onto PCcuks gullible enough to buy his shit? god knows, there's plenty of steamdrones to scam, but will they be willing to piss away their money for this?
>less than 20% of all PC games
Do keep up, Steam for Linux is up to 23% of the entire catalog, and that's still missing many older games that are available for Linux like games from Id, Epic, and Bungie that were ported back in the first wave of Linux game support before Microsoft got everyone locked in to the Xbox.
>inb4 spending hours configuring Wine to get it sort of works
>buying into a platform with no set hardware standards that needs regular upgrades to run newest games
none of these target groups actually exist.
Controller is great.
SteamOS is great.
The prebuilt PC stuff is horrible.
>it's not going to get any exclusives
It already has some 'console exclusive' titles confirmed with more like the new Xcom on the way. The whole point of SteamOS though is that no there won't be any games for it that won't be playable on a Linux PC. You'll never be forced to buy a Steam Machine to play a game. That's a good thing.
This is ouya tier failure.
Why would any consolefag get this, just why?
What selection of games are there that steam has, it has no exclusives and LOADS of indie games that are garbage.
Not to mention the confusion of 13 different machines which means some aren't even capable of playing some of the more demanding games out there, it blows my mind.
Console gamers like me want SIMPLICITY, but what you're offering is anything but that.
You're just giving me a selection of overpriced computers.
half the linux ports on steam are broken messes or experimental. The other half are tiny indie games with no graphics.
Fact is that not even casual gamers are going to be happy with only getting a fraction of games to play on their system when they could get every single game by installing Windows or simply buying a Windows PC in the first place.
Valve has actually done a fairly good job of getting classic games into the SteamOS library so that people won't have to mess with compatibility layers themselves.
GoG have also been packaging games up with DOSbox pre-configured, or with the compatibility layer already set up for games.
>pure marketing hype
Except there is no marketing hype, hell no one I know even know what the fuck steam is.
Dudebros and your typical console gamer doesn't know jack shit about steam much less steam machines.
Valve is a company only PKeks know the existence of.
Ouya failed because it was a closed platform, only one company could make an Ouya. It had its own locked down store not used by anyone. More than anything its hardware was grossly inadequate for gaming.
Steam Machines have none of those issues.
Steambox is just a fucking PC. Why is it that hard for people to understand. The moment you get it you can strip out linux and replace it with Windows if you want.
There's already a big market of idiots out there who already buy prebuilts anyway. I dunno why people think the Alienware steambox would be unsuccessful when people already buy Alienware anyway.
They don't need marketing. They need to sell about 100 of these and it's successful for them. All the costs are on the third party companies that are making them. This isn't a console where you have a launch event that looks like a political rally and you need to sell millions in a month otherwise its 'failed'
Just read the damn steam forums.
Ports are several updates behind the Windows version, multiplayer is often incompatible so people who have it on Linux can't play with people on Windows or OS X, performance is shit on Linux and devs barely test on Linux because they only have one guy on their dev team who does the Linux port.
There's just way too many compromises and "I didn't want to play that game anyway" excuses that you have to make, if you want to game on linux.
>More than anything its hardware was grossly inadequate for gaming.
Except steam machines HAVE this issue and its even worse because you are expecting the average fucking dudebro gamer to understand what specs are and to expect him to buy a steam machine capable of running X games.
Its worse than ouya, because it isn't remotely as simple as one.
>buying a Windows PC
You soon won't be able to buy any Windows machines without getting Windows 10. 7, and Windows as we know it is at the end of its life.
Is that really the future you want?
The PC locked into a platform designed for tablets and under the thumb of a console company?
WANNA KNOW HOW TO GET MORE PEOPLE PLAYING ON PC?
GET YOUR FUCKING SOCIALIST COMPANY WORKPLACE TO FUCKING DO SOMETHING.
>Do PKeks actually believe there are good games on the PC?
In the real world 90% of what people play is just multiplats. Go look at sales figures. Your exclusivity shitposting war on here isn't real life. Look at shit like Bloodborne. The amount of noise about it on here vs how many people actually bought it in the end which was basically nothing
>"and strategy games which I rarely play"
Ok give me a list of console exclusives and I'll just say 'I don't like them'.
All Steam Machines in order to use that branding have to have at least 500GB of storage, have to have an x86 CPU able to support at least 4 threads, and have to have a Vulkan capable GPU.
Valve still has room for improvement in the hardware front, but they're not in terrible shape. They just need to push AMD to drop Catalyst faster, and help get Mesa up to par for Intel and AMD hardware.
If you want to play games you need Windows
If you want freedom you need actual free Linux.
Nobody needs Valve's DRM Linux with preinstalled closed source spyware that collects usage data and whatever else Valve feels like.
Don't be silly you kek, there aren't any good games on PC.
All your exclusives now belong to consoles.
All PC gets are a bunch of badly made ports.
Hell AAA is worthless on PC thanks to you faggots being too addicted to your shitty esports meme faggotry which forces it to die in less than a week.
PC gaming IS dead, its worthless.
Yes, it's just an insurance policy against Microsoft going full retard with windows in the future.
Steambox just needs to be an established thing in the background in case they do.
The initial paid mod selection was shit and the system surrounding paid mods was pretty shit too.
However the concept of modders getting paid for the obvious value they bring to games isn't. Mods and modding are a huge bonus, mods give people reasons to buy and play games well beyond their normal expiration dates and that's a big deal to developers since it gives them more consistent income over time. Some mods have an absolutely staggering amount of work going into them and the idea that the people involved should not reap any benefit for both their mod and the value that mod brings to the game is rather childish and short sighted.
Oh you're just baiting, nevermind. Basically proof that if there isn't a dedicated shitposting thread on the front page all you retards just spill out into all the other ones.
As soon as you monetize mods you'll only get Chinese and Indian sweatshop developers pushing out mods way faster than any real modders could. It would kill the actual modding scene.
How can he say it outperforms them at the same price point if there's no $350 model?
Anyways, this seems to be a massive blunder, I've seen zero hype and the whole thing will likely be a trainwreck.
however, dudebros understand that the more money they spend generally the more powerful machine they will get, just like in the sims. if they buy a steambox & it can't run the games, they wont blame valve. they will blame themselves for not purchasing the more expensive box.
technical complexity wont hamper sales very much at all
Yeah, a sea of low quality shit will kill mods, it's not like any asshole in the world can't already make shitty mods and 95% of the mods out there people will never see or download.
>If you want to play games you need Windows
>If you want freedom you need actual free Linux.
You can, you don't even have to use Steam. GoG has a nice selection of Linux games that is growing all the time. Its also a good source for game files for games that have Linux versions that aren't available pre-packaged.
The next thing they will buy is not a more powerful machine. It will be a console that is guaranteed to work with new games and not have any of the compatibility issues of a PC.
Listen here, buddy. The second you take a PC, lock it down from upgrades, put controllers on it and plug it to a TV, you're no longer master race. You're just another console shit-eater with a valvetendo 64.
Do the world a favor and off yourself.
Nope, I've had mine for a few weeks. I wouldn't play a competitive twitch shooter with it, but its definitely better than a gamepad for console style shooters or single player games.
>because PC gamers
Gabe's trying to enter the console market, this isn't for PC gamers, this is an easier prebuilt for console gamers to swallow than a "gaming pc". Why does nobody get that? No PC gamer will buy one, if you already have a decent PC the Steamlink works fine for putting things in the living room for local play. I'm not getting one but I can see someone who hasn't bought into this generation yet seriously considering it.
people liked sales and had a little circlejerk.
Now people know that Valve is just another greedy corp, but circlejerk still continues.
They went with Linux because they will get licensing fees for SteamOS and Steam logos manufacturer has to pay to be officially called "Steam Machine". They also want to foolproof themselves in case MS does something stupid. Gaben sucked MS cock up until Windows Store was introduced.
Of the 25 recent "popular new releases" on steam only 6 are on Linux.
Now go ahead and make up arguments why those other 19 games are shit, but the fact is you need Windows if you don't want to make up lame excuses why you can't play any of these games
>Linux gaming PC
>easier prebuilt for console gamers to swallow than a "gaming pc".
You don't actually believe that, do you? The first console gamers to buy a steambox will hate it with all their guts because there's hardly any games and way too many issues with less than optimal Linux ports.
>Windows has given the PC a bad reputation
It didn't. Most people are fine with Windows and modern Windows are nothing like 95\-ME, that got mustdie reputation.
PC vs MAC did the job done. People thing Mac is some sort of a great technology, unlike "PC".
I seriously hope Amazon will sell those things.
I might wanna buy one but might also regret it a few months later and wanna be able to return it.
Will they make it to retail or will they stay Steam store exclusives?
well if last generation is anything to go by, they wont buy anything next at all. they'll just rabidly fanboy to justify their purchase for the next eight years.
but really, the main selling point of a console is not the hardware itself, but the library. steamboxes are just the means of opening the steam library to console players.
If you didn't buy a gaming PC for the exclusives than you are not a PC gamer.
You are just a console shitter who wants to play multiplats at higher resolutions.
Please kill yourself.
No one forces modders to mod.
They make the mods because they like doing it. It is a hobby.
And if you really want to see them supported, have steam add a donate button.
Or give 100% of the income to modders, instead of the 30% of whatever shit steam was doing.
>People who had a PC, but don't anymore because they primarily use another device for computing but still want PC games.
Device like what? iPad? Buy a PC then if you want PC games.
>People who have never had a PC but want to play PC games.
Buy a PC.
>People who want an open console style platform.
Which Steam Machine aren't. They're PC with SteamOS(debian) on it. Valve doesn't even have guidelines, like this hardware or that hardware, like Oculus does on PC. It has no benefits over a custom built PC and especially consoles.
kill yourself you fucking retarded. who did steam and betheshit contact first? it was the skyui guy. a mod considered to be essential because of skyrim's awful fucking console ui was someone they wanted to get on board first. what does this tell you? it means betheshit would have incentive to just make a garbage fucking ui for pc and have someone mod a better ui so betheshit can profit from it. betheshit actually makes MORE money for doing fucking less work. they are scumbags of the highest order and are just looking to fuck over the consumer. that's all it is.
Yeah, you plug it into the TV and use a controller. Try to imagine the perspective of the console buyer.
Obviously I don't think it's a good idea to buy one, but I also don't think it's a good idea to buy a PS4 or xbone either unless you're a die hard fan of one of the exclusives.
Or the rational explanation would be that they just contacted those whose mods were the most popular and wanted to start with them.
It's a pretty good deal for the developer and the modder desu
A console will soon be less than 300 bucks and guaranteed to run a lot of games trouble free for years to come.
A steambox is 500 bucks +, not guaranteed to run future games and not even guaranteed to run current games.
Console gamers want hassle free plug&play gaming. They don't want a thinly disguised PC.
>only 6 are on Linux
The thing you're missing is 'right now', many more of them have Linux versions on the way.
Its like complaining about a console library before its even launched.
7 of the 10 most played games on Steam have Linux versions.
So is the steam machine an actual PC where you can do normal PC shit like use the internet and download different programs and shit onto it? Or is does it use some crazy "it just werks" operating system where everything that could potentially slow down or fuck up your machine is blocked out?
because to be honest, that's the worst part of owning a PC, if all you want to do is play games on it. Having to clear your processes of unnecessary shit, defrag your drive, reformat it every year or two, and shit like that or else it starts to get significantly slower.
Steam Machines occupy a niche that nobody else is trying for right now. Windows will purposefully never be a good console replacement because Microsoft wants to sell Xboxes.
>Valve doesn't even have guidelines
They do, they're just very liberal. For practicality right now you need a minimum of an i3, a 750ti, and a 500gb hard drive.
No, actually I'm an idort, it's just feels unnecessary. I mean does anyone really want to weigh PC exclusives against all console exclusives? I don't want to get into it. I'm just saying I'm glad that the Steammachine won't have exclusives.
> Having to clear your processes of unnecessary shit, defrag your drive, reformat it every year or two, and shit like that or else it starts to get significantly slower.
All annoyances common to Windows or NTFS that doesn't happen with other systems like SteamOS. Steam Machines are as much of a console platform or as much of a PC as you want them to be.
>It is a hobby.
Only because it's currently unsustainable as a job. People made thousands on their hats for TF2 and that's kind of minor compared to the value mods bring to some games.
>have steam add a donate button.
Nexus already has a donate button, almost no one uses it.
>Or give 100% of the income to modders
That's unrealistic, the Developer gets their cut and Steam gets their cut. The developer built the game and the mod wouldn't exist without the framework the developer built for them some mods are gigabytes in size so steam is obviously going to need remuneration, Nexus does it's whole ads and paid subscription thing to monetize. While 30% is obviously too low however 100% is far too high. The cut modders, valve's cut and the developers cut is hard to guess at, it's something where it's best to keep fucking with it until all parties are happy.
Can't wait to play Bloodbo-I mean Arkham Kni-I mean....Minecraft on my Steam Machine
1/5th of steams library is still twice as large as what the xbone & ps4 have on offer thus far.
another appeal i suppose could be that steam has numerous free to play games with large communities on offer.
>1/5th of steams library is still twice as large as what the xbone & ps4 have on offer thus far.
Your indie trash don't count.
And its sad you even bring up F2P games, you think your average dudebro wants to play gone home and MOBA shit?
on top of this >>315631778
where's the quality control for paid mods? you have mods that continually break the game and need to be updated all the time. how do i know if i download this mod it won't fuck my game over? how do i contact customer support? steam already has horrible customer support and you think they will hire the necessary hundreds of people to just be mod support? it won't happen. what will happen is just like the sims community. oh yes, there's precedent. the sims modding community was vibrant until ea introduced paid mods and all the issues i stated previously came into play. no one wanted to take risks because there's too much shit in the way so the entire modding community devolved into mass produced garbage fucking skins made by some third worlder shit head making pennies to feed his family. fuck you.
It just runs bigpicture. if anything goes wrong, it's up to Steam Support to help you with Linux probles.
Valve Customer Service is known for their quality, quickness and reliability. And linux is known for its user friendliness.
Most people used Windows one way or another in their lives. And hooking up "Windows Machine" to a TV is just as easy.
But not as easy or cheap as consoles. You get them and the just work. And this year there are deals for console+1 or 2 new games for 350 or less. Console effectively drops below 300$ in price.
And it's not like Valve made any rules for Steam Machines. People will be buying vastly different hardware and devs have nothing to target.
Worst parts of Windows, Linux and console gaming combined.
What the fuck, I did build a PC for grand strategy, weird experimental games that will never make it to console and other exclusives, that doesn't mean I celebrate that consolebabies will never see those games. I wish all my dear friends here on /v/ could have access to PC's glorious library.
>believing a word Gabe "Call me God and Pay for Mods" Newell says
Shaking my head right now...
It's a perfectly fine processor unless you want to play Arma 3. I've built i3 4150 + GTX660 + 8 GB RAM and friend of mine has i5 Ivy Bridge + GTX660 + 8 GB (our video cards are from the same manufacturer and at pretty much the same clock speed) and the difference in games (if there any) is like 2 frames at max. Processor is not that important nowadays, unless your game of choice is WinRar compression test.
>because Microsoft wants to sell Xboxes.
oh wow. what a great observation. And we can draw so many conclusions from it.
Like SteamOS will be shit, because Valve wants to keep their client on Windows. Or Sony phones won't play music because Sony wants to sell Walkmans. etc
These 2 things are not tied together like you think they are.
Traditional PC, no matter the OS, will never replace consoles. They have different purpose and infrastructure.
No, it should be on the storefront selling the fucking mods. But we all know Steam's track record when it comes to quality control.
Considering mods already has a sea of low quality shit and they're still doing fine I don't see what you're worried about.
Go to any Nexus, click most endorsed, then click last page. Then go through it page by page and tell me modding will somehow get ruined by having more bad mods no one will ever see.
A lot of those games will stay exclusive to Windows for a long time because dev teams are small and have enough trouble to get their games running on one OS. Also customers are loyal and will not switch to GabenOS while their favorite niche game is still on Windows.
if he really pulls it off it'll potentially be a fucking game changer and can force microsoft and sony to go into full damage control.
Normie proofing a PC with a good operating system is really going to be the biggest thing that will ever happen to PC's and gaming. It'll switch from stupid proprietary hardware and software like traditional consoles to interchangeable parts from a bunch of different companies, and hopefully lead to a lot more competition in hardware designing, rather than the stupid nvida/intel monopoly that only AMD is barely competing with.
Though steam wholly in charge of the OS and the marketplace of the games is concerning, despite their so far decent track record (in my experience anyways).
If the devs are taking the biggest cut then it would be reasonable for them to also take responsibility. Valve should get the smallest cut even though it's their platform that makes it possible to reach the big audiences.
>an NVIDIA Geforce GTX with 2GB of GDDR5 memory
>an NVIDIA Geforce GTX with 2GB of GDDR5 memory
>an NVIDIA Geforce GTX with 2GB of GDDR5 memory
>an NVIDIA Geforce GTX with 2GB of GDDR5 memory
>an NVIDIA Geforce GTX with 2GB of GDDR5 memory
Yeah, I mean because playing farming simulator is so much fun.
I mean them exclusives!
Oh I mean them multiplats! Where the majority of them are bad ports...
B-b-b-but THAT community.....Where majority stick to esports meme games causing every other game to die and be filled with hackers within days.
b-b-b-bb-b-ut THAT indie scene.
Yeah, enjoy your undertale.
like I said, in my experience. I've never had a problem with them ever. I've gotten a game refunded before their returns policy, I've never been banned because I'm not a cheating faget, etc...
The only thing they did that I fucking hated was the paid mods, and they got rid of that. Though still, the rumors that they want to bring them back in some way is troubling.
I was low on money, so it was the best choice. Card is still decent enough to play all the games at least at 30 FPS in 1920x1080 with high-medium setting (like Witcher 3), GTA 5 runs at 60 with high-ultra with occasional dips to 45 while driving in most populated places.
typically people who isolate themselves to one console are poor, hence the appeal of f2p games.
i dont care for indie trash either. it's just hard to make an argument in support for consoles when 88-90% of their libraries are ported.
>mfw the PS4 is outpacing the PS2 in sales
>it's just hard to make an argument in support for consoles when 88-90% of their libraries are ported.
What are you talking about, you are attacking PC gaming right there.
At least OUR ports function well.
>88-90% of their libraries are ported.
M8, he's saying that most console games get PC ports.
That said, most console versions of multiplats are terrible.
I mean shit, TW3 took like 10 patches to keep the ps4 version from dropping to a constant 20 FPS.
That is nice and all but you wish to mention the recent blops 3, arkham knight....etc that have been practically UNPLAYABLE?
Not just FPS drops but freezing and crashes?
And this is on a system where you've straight up paid over double the cost of what one would pay a console.
I love linux, but I wouldn't use it for games unless it got serious (SERIOUS) support from devs and I don't see that happening any time soon.
I wish that fat fuck the bst of luck regardless and I may get that controller at some point.
Console games also crash and freeze.
Some recent examples are Darksiders DE, Ass Creed Syndicate, and Need For Speed.
Except it is, there were over 800 retail PS3 games last gen.
Not even 150 of them were exclusives.
>Elsewhere in the interview, Newell claimed that its Steam Machine enterprise will break down the long-held belief that PC gaming doesn't fit in living-room spaces.
>"We can knock down the barriers that keep PC gaming out of the living room, and then customers can decide what they want."
what the hell is this fat jew talking about?
I like their games, but the issue is there will be a time when i want to play a game and would not be able to because of the OS.
Sure I can use a virtual machine, but that will probably mean a massive performance hit and WINE is hit or miss from what I've heard.
I have trouble finding games I enjoy as it is, I don't want to limit my self further.
just run a second boot disk with whatever the latest stolen copy of windows there is, & swap over whenever you want to play a game that's not on linux. that way you don't really need to sacrifice anything
and i'm sure if you're smart enough to use linux, you're smart enough to setup a second boot disk
>Valve's Steam Machines Outperform Consoles at Same Price Point
Of course. The consoles on the market were using outdated technology when they first launched years ago.
But it's stillt oo bad because even if Steam Machines outperform consoles, they don't outperform regular PCs at the same price point. Making them completely irrelevant to anyone who doesn't consider buying PCs "too hard".
>Le new steam machine
>Alienware alpha with steam logo slapped on
Why did nobody notice this? And why is this allowed?
The Alienware Alph- I mean Steam machine doesn't give you the same performance as the current gen consoles. And that's the one at the "Console pricepoint" (Even though it's still at least $100 more).
It has a fucking GTX 860M with an i3 and 4gbs of unspecified but definitely shit ram.
not everyone is jumping on the bandwagon you're riding
paid mods, exceedingly poor customer support, gaben's comments on Leddit during paid mods, shift in focus from videogames to hardware
i'm not mad that i'm not the current target demographic of valve. but color me fucking livid with the shitty support and "let's split the modding community overnight to make 80% of their profits"
they're still considering bringing back that travesty
Performance may be comparable, but not universally. Besides it's still more expensive and doesn't even come close to meeting Gaben's fucking lying claims that it's going to offer higher performance than a PS4, let alone at the same price point.
but it has pc games on my couch
And these are all on high/ultra.
>muh console wars
Settle down, kid. Those 30FPS are fucking with your head and making you post angrily.
They should do a study on how console faggotry makes kids retarded, and use you as a subject.
Most of those are equal or worse. For 100$ more. And multiplats on the current gens are high/ultra. And these would be earlier unoptimized games for PS4. I'd like to see how the Alpha runs Battlefront at a solid 60.
>aren't even very demanding games
they're AAA titles with enough content bloat that you could probably find a 4K texture of the pope's left testicle & run like a spastic without legs.
every single one of those takes up over 40gb, except for last light. that's just a shit linux port
>That's still barely playable
>May as well go out and buy a platform where they're even less playable!
The Alpha is $50 more anon.
Even less now.
And all of those run better than the PS4 aside from maybe Womb Raider since they ran it without TressFX.
>all of those run better
Last Light Redux runs at half the framerate than it does on PS4 (And also it is cited to specifically run on ultra on PS4, something the devs boasted on.) 60fps solid on PS4, 39fps average on Alpha.
Battlefield 4 runs about 10-15 fps lower average on the alpha.
Cod AW is about the same.
Morder runs negligibly better, averaging 8 frames more than PS4 and Xbox One, because those versions are locked at max 30.
Can't speak about Ryse, and Crysis 3 is only on last gen consoles.
In conclusion, no, anon.
>fapping to gabe that is just a figurehead at this point
>thinking that steambox is something to be excited for
900p is true, settings not. Both BF4 and Battlefront run on high/highest with all settings. This is all coming from the same source as the Alpha analysis.
Also I can guarantee the Alpha won't run Battlefront as well as the PS4. It's quite impressive how it probably pushes the system more than any other game at the moment and isn't even an exclusive. It's very well optimized.
why though? just get a 4 core CPU
>And also it is cited to specifically run on ultra on PS4, something the devs boasted on.
Right, without motion blur or tessellation, both of which are on high on the alpha test.
They compared a Pentium G3258 with a 750 ti on the same settings as the PS4 and both ran at a constant 60.
>Battlefield 4 runs about 10-15 fps lower average on the alpha.
Probably because it's running on high/ultra at 1080p compared to the PS4's 900p medium/high.
>Cod AW is about the same.
58.9 average is 10-15 less?
You're delusional m8
It's a new paragraph. Learn English Ramjed, I mean Cod AW runs the same as it does on PS4.
Only difference is resolution. PS4 version runs at high/highest. Even ask your source.
>BF4 and Battlefront run on high/highest
Come on anon, you don't even try.
>Star Wars Battlefront as compared between PS4 and PC. Note the use of parallax occlusion mapping across the ground - plus texture filtering that matches PC's high setting.
>Texture quality is a match for the high PC preset as well, with less detail resolved on rocks when compared to ultra.
>The depth of field filter here is a match for the high setting, and the lens flares effect is also identical.
>Ambient occlusion on PS4 sits above the medium quality. Curiously, the PS4's implementation of shadows is unique on console, with slightly blurrier edges than the PC's presets - though without the aliasing seen on the low preset. (pic related)
The rest are high.
So basically, what we've got is medium-high settings (with some below medium).
As for BF4
>The PS4 and Xbox One versions of Battlefield 4 turn in the same effects quality as PC on high settings (as opposed to its ultra setting). The upscale process from lower resolutions does muddy the clarity of water shaders on consoles, however.
>Both next-gen platforms are treated to the same grade of texture quality as PC on ultra settings. Grass and rock density is cut back considerably though, and draw distance for these elements is closer-field too. (meaning it's most likely medium mesh quality)
>Sadly, both next-gen platforms fall short of toppling the PC's ultra quality shadow setting.
>However, draw distances for plants and geometry are noticeably better-rounded on PC: appearing in higher density when up close, we see buildings rendered in during cut-scenes that simply don't manifest on next-gen platforms. (pic related)
>This is backed up by a more liberal use of particle effects on PC around explosions, and while alpha for fire is comparable up close, flames in the distance suffer from a downgrade in quality on PS4 and Xbox One.
Don't even try.
Your exact source says high, high, high, and unique semi-high. Also the console version has a unique motion blur on Battlefront, which is even more pronounced the highest setting on PC.
Anyway, Battlefront is yet to be released, and you can bet it won't run as well as the PS4 on the Alpha.
Actually, my source says high, high, high, medium-high, and medium-low.
If you think those shadows are anywhere near high settings you're delusional.
>which is even more pronounced the highest setting on PC.
That's not a good thing, heavy motion blur is used when you want to hide how shit something looks.
>Medium/high settings, 1080p
And your Alpha runs that at 40fps.
This is not a PC argument, this is you defending your ayylmaobox which maybe theoretically can offer better performance than a console $100-$200 cheaper.
Literally the exact opposite of how it works.
>And your Alpha runs that at 40fps.
60 FPS at 900p actually.
Or 60 FPS at 1080p if you turn the game down to high settings and turn post processing one notch below PS4's setting.
I highly doubt someone is gonna be happy at this. I liked how they claimed ALL of the PC games run at 1080p but they never stated how much FPS, probably so they can't get sued.
Look at the picture, who the fuck is gonna play Witcher 3 with average/max of 20fps? Dell at it's finest. They haven't thought this through. I have a laptop from them, I can sing all kinds of tunes what they are doing wrong.
>not a locked 60 on sullust
>doesn't show hoth
Your Alienware simply can't offer the same level of consistent performance as the PS4. Sullust is a locked 60 on PS4 and nothing less, with Hoth remaining at 60 99% of the time with minor drops to 58-59 at times (Source: Digital Foundry).
>will make your Alpha look like the Xbox 360 trying to play Shadow of Mordor
made me kek. nice analogy anon
PS4 version is medium settings anon, a 750 Ti with a Pentium G3258 performs just as well, and the 750 Ti and 860m are close in performance.
Better than PS4
>got a shipment notification for my Steam controller
>"a label has been created"
>estimated date of delivery: Nov 6
>mfw the tracking info still hasn't updated past "a label has been created"
I just want my shitty experimental controller. I've got a ten foot long HDMI cable and a bigass TV. I don't need anything else. I want my steam controller so I can use it for one hour and then get tired of it and switch back to my wireless Xbone controller.
>the PS4 version is medium settings
No it's not.
>Battlefront on Alpha
>better than PS4
Delusional as fuck. 44fps is better than a 99% locked 60? Your Alpha really does look like the 360 trying to run SoM. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KIyUicgJ160.
>No it's not.
The video I posted has the 750 Ti running the game on medium-high, and it looks identical to the PS4 version.
>Delusional as fuck. 44fps is better than a 99% locked 60?
Jesus christ, this is the second time I've had to point this out to your retarded ass.
The Alpha is running the game at 1080p on high settings.
The PS4 is running the game at 900p on medium-high settings.
there is no point in getting a shitty pc that plays some console games at console settings. best way is to combo. pc for exclusives console for everything else. I play a lot of shit on pc but im not gonna boycott ps4 and portbeg the whole library
I really dislike this meme. They out perform consoles on paper, but pc games aren't optimized for those specs, where as co sole games are optimized for the specs of their respective console.
Also, consoles are already starting to drop in price, so the whole "better performance for equal price point" is a fallacy. You can find bones for 300 with free games, and ps4s for 300 to 350 already. As far as I know, there are no steam boxes in that range, and/or bundled with games.
>The PS4 game is running medium-high settings
Going back to the beginning now? All settings on PS4 are high, with one being inbetween high and medium. The only difference worth noting here is the resolution.
And your Alpha drops like 20 frames compared to the PS4, because of a small resolution increase.
And your Alpha costs significantly more.
Your Alpha is a piece of shit.
I'm curious about building a steam machine. There basically pcs designed for living rooms. There's no reason to own a desktop in 2015. With tablets and smartphones and laptops having a desktop is just backwards. The future will be pcs modified into a living room setting with VR and AR compability. You just need a wireless mouse and keyboard and your set.
You probably could make a steam machine that could play all steam machines for a few hundred dollars less than building a PC.
>All settings on PS4 are high, with one being inbetween high and medium.
Nope, AO is between high and medium, shadows are between medium and low.
>a small resolution increase.
That's a 44% increase in pixel density, that's a pretty large increase.
And the Alpha is $400 (or less if you can get it on sale) and is considerably smaller than the PS4 while providing similar performance.
>HERE BUY OUR OVERPRICED STEAM MACHINES
>But they're just PCs
>NO THEY'RE LINUX MACHINES
>Yeah... but you can still build your own PCs for cheaper
>LINUX =/= PC
It's literally okay when Linux does it to these fanboys, apparently.
>pc for exclusives console for everything else.
I think you got that the wrong way around. Even then, it's not worth sinking money on consoles for exclusives at this stage.
>a small resolution increase
theres also the cost of games. steam is only cheaper for ancient ports. when new games come out at the same time theyre the same price on steam as psn or xbl. when that happens all you can do is wait until major sales. idk why nobody here understands the time value of money.
Or cheaper elsewhere.
multiplat means more than one platform. many multiplats are ps4/vita never ever on pc so thats why I use ps4 for everything else. I would rather spend my time playing games instead of port begging
>when new games come out at the same time theyre the same price on steam as psn or xbl.
>I think you got that the wrong way around
Not him but for me it is. You'd be surprised. I find equating games that are only on PC as "Exclusives" to be kinda dumb, but most games I actually play on my PC are PC only, and you might be surprised how much that is for others.
This isn't the case for me, but think about the most popular PC games at the moment, CS Go, Dota, LoL, TF2 etc, PC-only. Same applies to games with sizeable communities like ARMA and Insurgency.
I also buy multiplats on PC (Though not all), but the majority of the games I play, and for many others, are actually PC only, although it's not like console where we're like "Ha PC has this exclusive only on PC" we just happen to play it.
For me it's shit like Mount&Blade, and RTSs
>Alienware shills still trying to sell their shitboxes
Those things are obsolete the day you buy them and you can't even upgrade them. Avoid at all costs
Except that's a new key m8, not at all comparable.
Not gonna play games well in future and not gonna give as consistent and guaranteed performance as consoles even if it beats them on some multiplats. Good for a small form factor PC with some decent power though, but it's a specific market.
They're not even out yet? I thought they were out months back. Guess that's just how much hype there is surrounding them.
Of course, you get what you pay for. People didn't want $599 consoles, they wanted $299-399 and still expect $599 specs
But that's not a secondary market, they're not selling you a previously used game, all they're selling you is literally a Steam key.
You're getting the same thing for a lower price, it's like comparing Amazon to buying used just because it's not PSN.
I think you might be retarded anon.
>a platform where the majority of players pirate sometimes has cheaper games
That price point is literally begging: pls no pirate
A few exceptions don't make them the rule. The majority of AAA games launch at the same price point across all platforms.
you can start pulling info on PCpp and get some parts with markdown. there are generic DDR3 4gb 1600 memory sticks for 18$ each. Pentium G for 50$, etc. It's fucking i3-T, even Pentium will perform better.
After a week you'll get a better PC for the same money.
Only problem is case, there are good cases for 30-40 bucks, but most of them have some issues.
This alienware is some 2nd rate laptop in a box, with no keyboard or screen.
>Intel Core i3-4130
>NVIDIA Geforce GTX 750Ti
>Can only play Steam games that have Linux support
You are pigshit retarded if you buy this.
>majority of users pirate
Kek, nice sources.
Sorry m8, games are MUCH MUCH cheaper on PC than on consoles.
Doesn't this have roughly the same specs as the Alienware one but double price of what was already overpriced?
Consoles became pointless because they barely have exclusives. Back then in NES, SNES, PS1 era there was a good reason to buy a console over a PC. Games were vastly different than PC games and you couldn't get them on PC.
Nowadays with the newest generation, 90% of consoles games are on PC. Why would you even care about the remaining 10% when you needed like 20 lives to play all those fucking games anyway.
Consoles peasants like >>315646481 >>315647693 still don't understand this.
I don't give a shit if I miss out on zelda games if I have to pay a 200 bucks entry fee. I can shower myself with thousands of other good games on PC. Console babbys think these games are so good that it is justified to go out of my way and buy a console on top of my PC for these 5 fucking games.
Make a console with 500 exclusive and good games over the span of 5 years and you will see me give a shit about consoles again.
>Valvefags shill for months saying Steam Machines will destroy consoles and usher in a new era for Linux gaming
>Steam Machines come out
>Literally everyone forgot they existed like Google Glasses
>Steam Machines fall off the face of the earth
It feels good seeing Linuxfags and Valvefags getting BTFO out at once even if I do like the 'idea' of Steam Machines.
This but It's obviously trying to market convenience as necessity. I mean I'm not going to lug my desktop back and forth from the living room, and for someone who wants a second "PC" for the living room may think these are a good option, as they offer UI that is already there for use without M+KB.
Though I'm sure with an ordinary PC you could set it up to work entirely with a controller, it would probably take a bit of time.
>paid mods are bad
>people shouldn't be able to monetize mods even with the permission of the copyright holders
>I deserve free shit
A PC without a set specifications running a specialized OS offers no advantages over a console.
People like consoles because they can buy a PS4 in 2013 and know it will still play PS4 games in 2018. With a Steam machine you might need to upgrade or replace it within 2 years since developers aren't guaranteed to support your Core i3 much longer.
When one of the Steamboxes is literally an Alienware Alpha, it's clear Gaben hasn't been keeping track of what's being going on lately.
Either that or he doesn't mind talking absolute utter shit.
The source is that console software exceeds pc software in sales by the millions, while you fucks post shit like
>paying for games
>looks shit, day one pirate
Get rekt kid.
>The source is that console software exceeds pc software in sales by the millions, while you fucks post shit like
So the source is an assumption based on anonymous postings?
Kek, sounds about right for a shitposter.
>20 FPS at 720p.
That's exactly what those steamboxes will be like after 2 years. Meanwhile console devs know exactly what hardware they are aiming for and will tailor the games accordingly.
Yep, hard evidence.
>People who had a PC, but don't anymore because they primarily use another device for computing but still want PC games.
This. I'm in college atm and I'm stuck with a shitty laptop. And my old desktop is even worse. I'd love to play some video games, but no way I'm buying a new PC just for gaming. And consoles are shit because I mostly play FPS and RTS games.
So if the controller is actually good and you can build your own steam machines, instead of paying for that over priced shit, I'll probably buy one with a friend or two.
It would be even better if you could pirate shit on it
>and will tailor the games accordingly.
For that silky smooth 20 FPS.
If it supports better game and map design than analog sticks, then it's an almost direct benefit to the whole genre. Maps are tiny, and mechanics are shallow because the controller niche is not only so awful but so prevalent.
>will tailor the games accordingly
Results vary. Most late last-gen multiplats looked and ran like utter puke, take Far Cry 3 for example, 20fps and awful aliasing, and it's probably light shit compared to cross gen games on last gen like Far Cry 4 and Shadow of Mordor. Not saying this will happen at the end of this gen, but it could.
They CAN tailor, but particularly last gen, we saw that they didn't. Exclusives were still optimized extremely well though like Uncharted 3 or Last Of Us, which also looked better than other games on the system.
Gaben used to be about video games. These days, he's as much of a soulless corporate drone obsessed with making money like EA and Activision.
>CS:GO loot crates
>Still no HL3
Money corrupted GabeN and all the money went to his head. He was the chosen one, but in the end, he betrayed us all.
Tell me how keys are better than a pad.
I can't into the keyboard. It's uncomfortable as fuck trying to do any diagonal movement.
Yeah mouse is better for fps and shadow run proved that, but most console plays can wreck a Pc players shit with a game pad in literally every other genre save RTS
>big 3 die out, microsoft first, then sony after most the console player base is gone
>ninty goes handheld exclusive
>pc is major gaming platform
>steambox is successful
>other companies follow suit, putting their own unique OS on their respective machines
>PCs are now consoles
>much later home computers are a thing of the past (tablets and shit)
Thats not what prediction means.
The average person hasn't even heard of steam machines. for many, a computer is simply a tool for work and the internet and the vast majority can't even play starcraft.
Sony and nintendo will keep pushing consoles until literal bankruptcy
College life man. It ain't cheap. A good PC, decent mouse + keyboard and great speakers, maybe even a new big monitor, if my stupid brothers managed to brake my old one, are expensive. Sure, I could afford it, but that would probably mean cutting down on some of my habits. And it's not even the only thing I really want to spend money on.
And to be fair, between partying, going for drinks, watching movies and shitposting on 4chan I ain't the most productive student. Playing vidya will just make it worse.
With what will the people needing home computer to work work ?
Take a 3d guy in the movie industry for exemple.
He can't do his job on a phone or a tablet.
He NEEDS a home computer or something equivalent
>That money isn't attributed to sales data for the games though retard.
Yes it is, that graph includes all console revenue, not just console games revenue.
You got rekt m8, just give up.
Consoles cost ~$350 with ~$50 worth of games bundled with them. Steam machines start at $450, and go a hell of a lot more expensive than that. There are no steam machines "at console price points".
>The average person hasn't even heard of steam machines. for many, a computer is simply a tool for work and the internet and the vast majority can't even play starcraft.
yes, you are right. people >70 nowadays don't use stuff like that. but in 10-20 years when they start dying out, and video games become more and more mainstream, they will become popular. And computers are dying out, anyway, tablets are the new thing.
>Thats not what prediction means.
>prediction - a forecast
u rite. it's not a prediction. it's a certainty.
>The graph flat out specifies mmo and casual games for a reason
Right, to distinguish between casual Facebook games and MMOs/PC games.
None of that implies that it includes sub fees.
Battlefront is 900p on PS4.
>Battlefront at 60fps at 1080p like my PS4
>implying most PS4 games don't run at 20 - 30fps with low detail and upscaled low resolution
Console games run like utter shit. If they released PC games in the same state, people would freak out and ask for refunds all the time. The Arkham Knight disaster is the standard case on consoles, it's just that the peasants are too retarded to notice.
>And computers are dying out, anyway, tablets are the new thing.
Not if you have anything actually demanding to work on. You think tablets can replace desktop computers because you're a fruitcake who plays games and watches videos all day. For research, programming, 3D modeling, engineering, graphic design and pretty much every professional field that demands heavy computing, tablets are completely useless.
>Take a 3d guy in the movie industry for exemple.
>He can't do his job on a phone or a tablet.
true, for now. But when tablet technology gets more powerful and better and really starts taking off, tablets will basically be flatscreen keyboard-removable computers. Hell, some are actually pretty decent CPU wise, but for now they're not much.
>Yeah, but I wouldn't be buying it alone. Same goes for games.
What do you mean? You could just get a $10 mouse and keyboard combo and you'd be set to go. Even if you factor a cheap HDMI cable into it, it's still cheaper and more powerful than your average steam machine.
A tablet does not provide the screen space or the proper interface to do 3D modeling and CAD work at all. A tablet without a keyboard is useless for programmers, a tablet is a pointless toy for medical researchers.
Tablets are a fad for bored children and trendwhores, not the future.
I can't, I agree with you. Tablets don't even use a proper operating system, they're useless for actual work. They're pretty nice for entertainment purposes, but that's about it.
I'd buy it with friends. So the price would be split between 2 or 3 of us. Same for the chosen video games. Sure, I wouldn't have it at home 24/7, but it's still good. And if the Steam Machine starts selling well, maybe more PC games will get local co op, so that's even better.
I've been following this SteamOS/Machine bullshit because im hoping it might lead to something new from Valve, but I doubt it.
Up next is Vulkan, which Valve is supporting, so you'd THINK they'd make a game with it to show it off, but again, I doubt it.
nope. I have a PS4 and a 5 year old PC (4g ram, HD 6870, phenom II x4 955 BE @ 3.2ghz), and the game runs much better on PS4. On my rig I can't get 60fps even with the lowest details. And on PS4 the graphics difinitely aren't on the lowest settings. I mean just go and see for yourself, watch gameplay of the beta on PS4.
>And if the Steam Machine starts selling well
wifea surface pro and it plays Guild Wars 2 over 30fps. Granted it's an old game, but it's impressive for a tablet. Tablets will get stronger and laptops will get smaller. eventually there won't be a difference.
Is that a fucking joke? Those specs are fucking awful for a PC anything. That can't even run Fallout 4 without mods.
Unless the requirements aren't anywhere near as intense as what Beth claims they are.
number of games currently on steamOS (not counting other linux ports): 1397
number of games confirmed for steamos\that have alpha\beta versions: 662
total steamOS games: 2059
number of ps4 games (including upcoming releases, which is about half): 812
number of wiiu games (including upcoming): 656
numer of xbox one games (inlcuding upcoming): 495
in other words, steamOS has more fucking games than all three current-gen consoles combined, not even counting games from other sources (e.g. desura, gog, humble, motherfucking tux racer)
deal w/ it nerd
So basically, Steam Machine caters to people who know nothing about PCs thinking they're better investments than simply building your own.
So cashing in on dumb normies, basically.
And most of these are make PS2 and Wii shovelware look like masterpieces
Will it ever support them?
What I see is Valve tries to enter the console market. It's not a PC, t's another x86-based console with services shared on PC and console. At this point XBOne looks much better.
>Buy long HDMI cable
>Buy wireless keyboard + mouse and Headset
>Enjoy playing on your living room, if you really want it
I only care about the Steam controller, the only thing good imo, the rest is garbage.
Valve is so out of touch with the gaming community that they are going to fail.
I agree there
Were you not here for the Paid Mods Event?
This one makes sense for any company. They generate revenue, give you something for your donation, and have no impact on gameplay, so they don't give anyone an advantage.
>Console gamers in full defence force
>Now want to attribute their subscription costs to access Multiplayer games as revenue to console games
You have to face the music eventually. Industries can die. Consoles will die.
Paid mods are coming back, they presented a completely shit deal to disgust people and cause controversy now they will put out a "reasonable" deal and people will lap it up like good consumer whores.
I honestly don't understand how valve employs as many people as they do (300-400) and get near nothing done.
CS go's only content updates are skins and maps the community makes for them
Dota has a list of bugs longer than its features
TF2 is alright, gets decent updates but has a stagnant community
They have no customer support
What do they fucking do
One thing they should definitely be highlighting more is that fact that you don't have to pay to play multiplayer whereas on consoles you do.
It's a huge plus point and still the sole reason I've not bought either an xbox or a PS4.