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Life is Strange is an episodic interactive drama from DONTNOD Entertainment. Set in the Pacific Northwest in the town of Arcadia Bay, the player follows the story of Maxine Caulfield and her seemingly newfound ability to turn back time. At the prestigious Blackwell Academy, Max must prepare for the incoming storm of returning to her hometown after five years. Available on Steam, PSN and Xbox Live.
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>Petition for an extended ending:
>Which scenes from Episode 5 were good?
>Which scenes from Episode 5 were bad?
>Which of these would make the best OTP?
>What do you think about Rachel's brother being the protagonist of LiS Season 2?
>Do you hate Warrenkeks?
>What awards did the game deserve? (Vote for six)
>Pick all that describe your feelings towards Episode 5
>What does dontnod really think about the endings.
>How was the supporting cast utilised in Episode 5?
>How many characters would you be willing to let (unambiguously) die to save Chloe?
>Who does lisg hate the most?
>Now that it's been 2 weeks, are you still pissed off about the ending?
P R I C E F I E L D
C U T E P O S T I N G
this is ridiculous senpai three threads at once we're really going downhill now
did someone say PRICEFIELD CUTEPOSTING
YES WE DID
C U T E P O S T I N G
TO MARK THE REAL NEW THREAD
Who said you guys could stop cute posting?
Why are they so perfect together?
>Genocide is the systematic elimination of all, or a significant part of, a racial, ethnic, religious, cultural or national group
At least look up the definition of the word you so desperately want to throw around, yet have no clue what it actually means, dimwit.
let's get this thread rolling, shall we :v)
There will never be a more beautiful couple than Pricefield and it hurts
>what is hyperbole
Innability to grasp figures of speech is a sign of autism, senpai.
>still sending that '2 seconds kiss'
Reminder that both endings are equally terrible for different reasons and you shouldn't act like you support either of them.
Been raining a lot here this week
You can be anon, just use your imagination. :^)
I just want to add this for people who still deny it. Max has her true thoughts expressed through her nightmare. They are the voice overdubs, not what she "physically says" during the dream like when she was with Jefferson telling how she loves him.
When you go up to Warren's locker, she literally truly thinks he is capable of being so obsessive and creepy by saying straight up that it's creepy and takes a picture, as she says, "in case I need evidence." Yes the nightmare represents her fears she may or may not be over but she expresses her CURRENT thoughts about Warren during that segment.
I need to see her again or I won't know what to do with myself.
DLC where @ dontnod it's been 3 weeks and that's more than long enough t b h
I must have missed it. I'll go check it out later thanks! In other news, dementiaz still hasn't finished the second part of life is bees.
See i know it's a joke and i got chills anyway...
That's what it is, right? They're developing it but just keeping it under wraps...
I'm not emotionally capable of doing that for a long time.
>daily reminder that Kate should've jumped
into the Combine harvester so she could crush people who wanted her to jump.
Actually it's been exactly 3 weeks but yes I am in denial and it's all I think about. I can't let go. I won't.
when a fictional character is a better and more lovable than actual human beings.
Are most humans assholes and too basic to have any kind of lovable personality or is Chloe that great?
Max, Chloe, Kate and Vicky are laying on a California king bed together. Who would win if they played steamroller?
It's easier to feel love to a fictional character when you're interacting with said character via somebody else (Max). Trust me, in real life people with self-destructive behavior and abandonment issues aren't that fun to hang out with.
Seems like I'm in good company tonight.
I'm not a good person though and I haven't been happy in years it'd just be easier if I was dead. I contribute nothing of worth anyway so who cares
i like to think that people are not that generic, we're all just scared of showing ourselves to others
DID ANYONE SAY YOU GUYS COULD STOP CUTEPOSTING?
You contribute to my heart. You're good enough for me, no matter how awful you think you are right now.
Not really. A fictional character, as realistically as they may be portrayed, is scripted and written to be a certain way. Fictional characters will always be more likable than human beings because humans are real people, more unpredictable, and they change through many experiences and years; a fictional character stays constant and stuck in the time that their universe allows them to be.
Let the vicky friends have their time. They haven't had a vicky thread in a long while.
Here's a comfy post from me instead.
reposting from last thread because relevant and awesome
Why do you think that you're not a good person, anon?
The thing about people and human beings is that we always change. We are capable of change and, if you're unhappy with the person that you have been thus far, you've got a life ahead of you to make small changes -- which will become eventually big changes and you can get closer to the person you'd like to be someday, which is also an ever evolving thing.
What I'm saying is that I hope you stick it out and see what the future has in store for you. There's no way of telling what is in store for you unless you live it out. Stay strong, anon.
You are contributing to a great community as we speak. I tried to kill myself 3 years ago, and I'm here to tell you that no matter how worthless or sad you feel, there's no reason to give into depression and end it all without fighting for happiness.
Post comfy music.
1360anon issat you? Have you already clipped through the nightmare sequence? Surely there's some missed details in there...
They picked Bae and I don't think they were satisfied with it from the way they talk. Also Liam's level of Warren hate is cray I don't like that kid either but I don't think he's dangerous or feels he deserves anything from Max he's just some obsessed puppy
post fanart that makes your dick tickle and your chest hurt
Liam is self inserting hard into Warren its pathetic. I know at least Woolie thinks episode 5 was the best out of all of them so shit taste confirmed.
Yeah they did.
I think it's more that Liam sees the worst of himself in Warren, and he hates that he might have been similar when he was ~16. Poor guy. The fanbase does go nuts whenever there's a nerdy long haired guy in anything, and always say he's Liam. I'd hate being called similar to Warren too.
This is a demen
It's only a brief mention of it as they knew the episode wasn't out yet mainly Woolie and Liam talking about minor details.
You know recently I've started seeing people say Episode 4 was terrible, is this a common opinion or is it just people bringing down Episode 4 to prop up 5. I thought 4 was the best episode personally
Do you prefer your Maximum Victory to be Alt-Universe or after sacrificing Chloe?
I liked sticking shit on a cork board for 50 minutes while Max repeatedly told me I was retarded, yes.
But honestly all eps are the same quality to me except 5 which I don't even consider part of the series, except maybe the first 20 minutes. It's all just garbage.
I'd have to choose ep 3 as the highest point, episode 4 was still good and is miles ahead of ep 5.
I wouldn't say it was terrible, but the whole AU thing felt as a very heavy-handed attempt to hammer the obvious "don't mess with the past, or else" morale into the player's head.
Investigation part was nice, though.
It just wasn't as comfy as Episode 3. And for me, comfiness > plot.
Oh, I see. I'll have to search for it if it's just a brief mention, then.
Wow. That's great. Except Bae ending being as good as it is. I mean it's not a bad ending but it's just so unsatisfactory and feels so unfinished. Relieved to hear that they went Bae, though.
I like both but AU is superior, at least for my tastes. I don't want whatever artist or author is making the thing to have to deal with the consequences of the game. Fuck that it's a huge amount of hassle I couldn't care less about because I don't think the endings are legitimate.
AU, even Vicky isn't worth accepting the endings as they are.
I'll take either AU Maximum Victory has a different dynamic though that I like a little bit more
I tried to do Max/Heather cross over in a silent hill look
>Chloe gets to see her best friend again and die a happy and painless death
>Chloe never hears a word from max and bleeds out slowly and painfully on a dirty bathroom floor
Who would win in a fight Victoria or Chloe?
>Chloe never hears a word from max and bleeds out slowly and painfully on a dirty bathroom floor
She dies instantly though.
>Chloe gets to see her best friend again and die a happy and painless death
And then what happens to AU Max?
I tried to make it look like they were slowly becoming their own nightmare, since Max loves photography, how can she take wonderful pictures without sight?
Since it is Silent Hill, after all.
In a 'Queensbury Rules' boxing sort of situation, I think Chloe would beat Victoria. Faster, probably a bit stronger, and no doubt she's hit people before.
But in a down-and-dirty scrap? Vic all the way, she'd have one heel up Chloe's ass before the blue-haired punk could swing. As a general rule, don't fight with rich girls. Trust me on this one
Episode 4 was pretty much on par with the rest, just the end game (last quarter of the episode) was disappointing. Same for 5 really. "5" itself gets a lot of the hate because it was supposed to deliver all the revelations to the interesting mysteries, open questions and plots which it just didn't at all, mostly. And of course, included the lackluster ending stuff. The dark room stuff, nightmare sequence, being in town when the storm hits, even the character stories to some degree where all mostly satisfying (although not nearly as much as I hoped they'd be).
Alt-Universe as in the in-game AU or just any AU? In-game AU was neat, but I prefer just AU that doesn't follow the canon plot, just stays with the general setting and characterization of Max and Vicky like in the main timeline. Chloe just doesn't exist preferably, because it always gets weird and immersion-breaking when she's suddenly wingmaning or teasing Max for hooking up with a girl because canonically it admittedly just doesn't make a whole lot of sense that Max would end up with Victoria before Chloe, let alone that Chloe would be fine with that.
>she dies instantly though
We could talk for a whole thread about a 9mm wound to the gut, but regardless she is dying on a dirty bathroom floor with the belief that no one cares about her
>And then what happens to AU Max
Do you honestly think Joyce and William would prosecute her? They knew she was going to die no matter what, I'm sure they'd probably feel relief knowing Max was able to make her final hours light enough to want to end on.
>She dies instantly though.
>shot in the gut
Fucking DONTNOD, getting shot in the gut is the slowest and most painful death.
>And then what happens to AU Max?
We don't know anything about autopilot Max, It could be argued that she's just Max without the timetravel knowledge, or she could be a completely different conscious. I'd argue the first, because there's only one reality at any given time.
Ep 3 was definitely my favorite. Ep 4 was the most emotionally heavy-hitting (aside from bay ending, which obliterated my heart even though I picked bae as my canon AND I knew at the time how poorly written the scenario was. I knew it was dumb but still shouted "NO!" with tears streaming down my face when the railroad-holding-hands picture burned away).
Ep 2 was super comfy, and I have really happy memories attached to it (reconnecting with old friend and managed to save Kate first time through).
Ep 1 I mostly remember for the atmosphere and music. Whole thing felt like a prologue, didn't have time to get attached to any characters.
Ep 5 had its moments, some of them awesome, but all the focus stuff (start to finish) got a bit confusing and kinda induced a dreamlike feel. Nothing about the episode felt 'real' in-universe, which might have been what they were going for (if so, it was a bad call). For me that made a lot of it a slog through a nightmare trying to find reality. That would've been OK if there was more time spent on the main Chloe timeline AND any sort of payoff at all in an ending that features Chloe's survival. The binary choice at the end was shitty but not unexpected - sadly I'm used to unsatisfying endings in games.
Speaking of, Undertale at least got that right - the true pacifist ending there is one of the most satisfying ends I've ever seen. It should be the #1 recommendation for the people who come here asking for what to play after LiS.
Just don't go to the general before playing it - you'll get spoiled and exposed to lewds of goats.
>how can she take wonderful pictures without sight?
That would've worked better with dead, lifeless eyes. Or sort of... white-ish half-transparent fog over them. I don't know how to explain it, but a lot of old blind people have that.
I see Victoria as one of those kids that took 8 years worth of classes for some martial art because she was rich and her parents probably didn't want her home all the time
>She wakes up in prison.
Lesbian prison? Because I can work with that.
Back in ep 2 and 3, I was so looking forward to a scene where Victoria bullies Max and Chloe just slaps her shit. Or at least where Chloe and Victoria had a confrontation and interacted with each other.
I do picture Vic as being the sort of girl who would do evening classes for self-defense or a martial art, just so she could kick someone's ass if she needed to, and because her parents would want her to so they could fuck once or twice a week, I mean they are probably absolutely gorgeous so who can blame them?
>Ep 3 was definitely my favorite. Ep 4 was the most emotionally heavy-hitting (aside from bay ending, which obliterated my heart even though I picked bae as my canon AND I knew at the time how poorly written the scenario was. I knew it was dumb but still shouted "NO!" with tears streaming down my face when the railroad-holding-hands picture burned away).
Fuck, same. Exactly the same here. The pictures are what got to me, especially that one.
Also I back up the statement to play Undertale and do the pacifist route. I'm working on it now, and I can't wait to see the ending. It's not taking away the pain/anger/etc, but it's working as a good distraction, and I know that I'll be satisfied at the end here, unlike with LiS. Really endearing game so far.
A delinquent punk who gets into real fights all the time would still easily beat the shit out of some rich kid who thinks they know how to fight because their parents paid for their McDojo black belt.
I should add that I played ep1 back at release, then waited and played 2-5 over 2 sessions. I didn't follow the game at all aside from keeping track of release dates. I knew I'd have a better time with the game if I could marathon it, and I'm fairly sure that's one reason I didn't feel as betrayed as those who spent months hyping themselves up here in the general after the end of ep4 for a weak final episode.
Yeah, I took a day off between playing eps 2-3 and eps 4-5. After ep 3, I set pic related as my desktop background. It still is, and it'll hurt to change it now.
Chloe is fucking fragile her toughness is just an act. If she did ever get into fights I bet Rachel always did the fighting for her and won because Rachel was just a monster. She's was probably the strongest and most beautiful person in Arcadia Bay or some shit. She trained in jeet kune do and could do flying dragon kicks and other magic shit because she was so great
This reminded me of a fanfic I laughed at yesterday.
Max watched from across the hall, witness to possibly the shortest fight in Blackwell's history. She wasn't quite sure what started it, but it seemed that Victoria panicked when the blue haired girl advanced, and struck preemptively. She had to admit it was a very good looking punch, crisply delivered with perfect form, just like every highly choreographed martial arts movie Max had seen. It had landed straight on the punk's cheek too. She was sure there'd be a bruise there tomorrow. The trouble was, it didn't quite knock the demon out. The retaliation from the demon was nowhere near as impressive looking. It was really just a flurry of blows that seemed to be too fast and too fleeting to have done anything, in spite of Victoria emulating a sack of potatoes under the influence of gravity shortly after a few of them got past her guard. That was, until Max discovered she could rewind time in slow motion and saw the full effect of a fist connecting with Victoria's upper gumline in reverse: her head being pulled out of a nasty snapping action by the backward flow of time, and several teeth flying back into her mouth. Jesus. She quickly rewound further, ignoring her growing headache, until Nathan and the blue bandit were nowhere to be seen.
"Any last minute suggestions coach?"
"Victoria, I know you've got a wardrobe full of belts but she's a literal badass monster. Do not provoke her or they won't be identifying you from dental records."
Victoria looked dubious for a moment, before Max's look of earnest concern convinced her.
"You had to rewind time, didn't you. God, was I really that pathetic?"
"Honestly, I thought you were very brave Victoria. Like a condemned man facing a firing squad."
"I'm so going to sue that Taekwondo dojang."
Not the best or fluffiest, but pretty funny. Excerpt is from chapter 5.
>Don't you remember Chloe shriveling like a little girl whenever some real shit starts to go down?
I don't actually. Only scene that comes to mind is when Frank has a knife in her face. In episode 4, she fucks up Frank pretty badly if you don't get the perfect outcome. Also, Victoria is the biggest coward of all, a weak-minded bully with zero self-confidence.
Reminder that Vickyfans have the highest IQ, longest dick size, largest brain size, largest knowledge brains, most loyal fans now that the normies are gone and the most based humans to ever walk the planet.
Kateautists= homosexual. Kate=latent homosexual. Kate was a man in drag
Very worth it if you're the kind of person who likes character-driven games.
Even with the complaints (which would spoiler you) it was well worth the price and time for me. Hell I'd have paid $50 and felt like I got my money's worth.
The good far outweighs the bad, and it's the flashes of brilliance that make for the disappointment you see in some posts. Overall it's up there with Undertale for my personal GOTY
Frank's a huge pushover, in either of the situations where you hurt him and don't kill him he starts whining that he was never gonna Max even though he pulled out a fucking weapon. Also Chloe was trying to protect Max so she was gonna fight even if she was scared or could have got overpowered.
>Don't shoot Frank
>"You should never pull out a weapon if you aren't prepared to shoot"
>"You crazy bitch I was never gonna hurt you guys I was just threatening you with this knife/gun"
Episode 4 was the beginning of the end.
I was into cool supernatural mystery and comfy atmosphere and character development.
Not photo rape, murder, disasters and the most retarded theories coming true.
So Yeah EP1-3 best Eps
Are you fucking kidding? Jefferson >>>>>>> all, he fucking dominates a trained soldier while outgunned quite literally. He also btfo chloe instantly and managed to take a hostage at the same time. He's like fucking John Wick in the dark room fight.
Frank is actually not as scary as he can seem. Like you say, if you spent as long as I did on the Frank section, you find out he doesn't really want to take it that far. He just wants his goddamn money and for these high-and-mighty bitches to leave him alone.
I would be surprised if David could win a fight with a tissue.
He still should have gone though basic training, they won't send you overseas unless you know at least the basics of CQC.
We all knew the whole Rachel disappearance mystery and Kate being drugged at a Vortex club party would ultimately lead down that road. I don't have much of a complaint about the gritty, dark parts of ep 4, it was handled rather well. Only the tornado fucked everything in episode 5.
Who needs fists when you have Holy Bible.
Well, to be fair, she actually didn't do what that guy said.
Kate is like Samson if she let's her hair down. She keeps it in a bun to protect the people around her. Hair down Kate is basically Broly you don't want to fuck with her
Surprise or no surprise, he wins, in almost every scenario.
Who cares about your tactics as long as you win? In situations where your health and indeed life are at risk, I consider it a massive plus that Jefferson is good at taking the element of surprise. I brought up John Wick; that dude always strikes from the shadows. That's how you stay alive.
I agree David a a shit though. Absolute useless moron.
Absolute domination over everyone.
>Undertale at least got that right - the true pacifist ending there is one of the most satisfying ends I've ever seen. It should be the #1 recommendation for the people who come here asking for what to play after LiS
I can confirm. I finished Undertale during my post EP5 trauma and man, it felt good.
If only LIS could have such a good ending
She lied to Chloe / led her on. She was banging Frank. She was blowing Jefferson and she was exchanging weird blood oaths with Nathan. She was probably even fucking Samuel for all we know.
New to the general, just played all 5 episodes for the first time over the last two days.
With all the talk of bay/bae endings, when someone says they chose the bay ending does that mean they saved or sacrificed arcadia bay?
Saved arcadia bay because killing a town full of people to save one girl is fucking stupid.
When you say you chose the bae ending, it means you sacrificed Chloe.
Bae ending all the way.
>a mental cripple that wouldn't even fight back because was too traumatized by Jefferson's dick
Maybe let's about talk how he took a beating of the century on monday and had to be saved by security.
>She lied to Chloe / led her on.
We have no evidence that she ever did say anything like "I'm not with Frank." or anything. We don't even have reason to believe there was anything romantical between Chloe and Rachel that'd justify Rachel being expected to talk to Chloe about her relationship status.
If anything, the letter in the hideout makes it pretty clear that Rachel wanted to talk with Chloe about her relationship with Frank, and that there was nothing more serious between Chloe and her.
We don't know if she really had a thing beyond the modeling with Jefferson. Stella says they fucked, Jefferson never really says that except for the nightmare, I think?
Bload oath was with Frank. She honestly ended the thing with Frank. So even if she did have something with Jefferson, that might as well have been after she broke up with Frank. She didn't have a thing with Nathan that we'd know of.
>only one dead person is shown
I mean, the ending is shit, but come on.
>We have no evidence that she ever did say anything like "I'm not with Frank." or anything
Except Chloe saying "bitch lied straight to my face, Max!"
Also, the blood oath was with Nathan, you mixed that one up. That's why so many peopl were confused by this completely dropped plotline that went nowhere.
You mean the easiest and most boring road?
>a psycho and the girl long dead
Nah, I was counting on something better.
Like the plot will actually tie in all the points it introduced, about the Prescotts, hints of occult, native american spirits, time loops, Rachel being a time traveller.
>Saved arcadia bay because killing a town full of people to save one girl is fucking stupid.
You aren't killing anyone, you are instead forcing them to decide their fates for themselves. Also, they had more than 4 hours to get themselves out of harms way.
So congrats, you chose to let your emotionally crushed childhood friend/significant other die a painful death on a dirty bathroom floor thinking that no one cared about her, rather than saving her and allowing Max to realize that making a conscious choice to better the life of someone in a moment when that feels right and learning to accept the consequences that might arise from it.
Bayfags once again confirmed for having no critical-thinking skills.
Yes. It kinda happened that way for me.
A week of sadness and bitterness, a few days of attempts to make my own closure with imagination
:), then watched it again and felt hope.
Still thinking about writing my "that night" and "week later" headcanon down. Just for closure. And I'm not a fanfic kind of guy.
>Except Chloe saying "bitch lied straight to my face, Max!"
Yeah, Chloe also says her father is at fault for her shit life. She's enraged and babbles around. Probably meant "she led me on" when in reality Rachel just never knew what Chloe really felt for her.
>Also, the blood oath was with Nathan
Was it really? Nathan says she made that with Frank, as far as I remember. Will check if nobody else does.
>Was it really?
No, that anon is mistaken.
>Cue_E3_6B_Diner_CHNathan_Puzzle_Nathan_046="Too bad, so fucking sad. Guy's into freaky shit. Man, he told me he once took a weird blood oath for Rachel... Uh, forget I told you that. Seriously."
People who pick the bay ending = atheists who believe the universe just randomly gave Max time rewind powers to fuck with her
People who pick bae ending = they beleive in some kind of higher power and that Max got her powers for a reason.
I know for a fact that if I ever got time rewind powers the very moment someone close to me died, I'd use them to save them and I'd never regret that decision even if the world itself would end as a direct result. But I am glad that people like you exist, I sincerely hope some day you get into a situationw here you can sacrifice yourself or your loved ones so I and others can live. :)
>get rewind powers
>can't use them cause "learning to accept the consequences"
Sadly, I'd already completed Undertale before starting LiS 2-5.
Watching Dodger's playthrough of it let me vicariously recapture the feeling of playing it the first time, though. Even if her voice for Undyne was ultra-cringe, I'll take dumb voices and honest reactions over the usual let's play memespouting shrieking boys any day.
(Avoid her LiS playthrough, though. Pissed me off so much that she missed so many things. Did make me feel better that I wasn't the only one who sniffled and wept throughout the ep4 AU scene though).
No. They said Rachel ~canonically~ fucked aorund with Nathan, Frank and Jefferson and lied to Chloe and led everyone on. I pointed out that that is factually false because there is no canon information supporting any of that whatsoever (except her banging Frank which i don't really think makes her a bad person?).
>People who pick the bay ending = atheists who believe the universe just randomly gave Max time rewind powers to fuck with her
I think they actually believe she got them for some retarded lesson like "getting an extra week with Chloe so she can learn to let go"
"Bitch straight up lied to my face, Max!" implies that Chloe was specifically asking about Rachel and her relationship with Frank. It's not the same as Chloe rambling about how it's the fault of her dad and all that stuff she says in the car. Maybe Rachel wasn't leading Chloe on, but she was canonically lying to her.
Congratufuckinglations you just learned that both endings are fucking retarded
>I-It's not like I did it for you in particular or anything.
That writer's Victoria just went full tsundere.
I love it.
>some retarded lesson like "getting an extra week with Chloe so she can learn to let go"
i always thought that was the message the game was trying to push on you, what with the bay ending being the most "fulfilling" and complete, and the bae ending being quickly lazily slapped together
I hate that I'm so picky with fanfiction. I want to read some good post-bae ending stuff (preferably emotional and porn-y, like that one with Wheelie Chloe) but I've not seen any yet.
I'm a complete Atheist, but I'm also one of the most outspoken Bae ending people in these threads. It's a fictional video game, where higher powers can exist and I can allow myself to get involved in them. If anything, the two groups should be reversed.
She was in love with Mark Jefferson, and took shots with him willingly. Their relationship was extremely likely a sexual one. I feel like Nathan's lust for her was one-sided. She did lie to Chloe though, and was willing to go off with a random trucker to achieve her (unrealistic, but serious) dream about being a model in LA.
Those things don't make her into a bad person. Every human being does questionable actions/doesn't think things/commits wrongdoings. I think some people are way too harsh on her because they think she slept around too much. But she did commit some wrong doings. I personally don't care who a girl sleeps with, but she did lie to her best friend about lots of things and I don't think that's a good sign of an honest person.
No, they confirmed on twitter that the message was supposed to learn to accept the past and learn to move forward. That means bae ending is the ending that conveys their intended message, as stupid as that message may be. You can't learn to accept the past by going back to the past and change it, hence the bay ending automatically disqualifies for any lesson.
It did a fuck awful job then with Max not once being shown acting like she will ever let go, all the way to the last minute.
>entirety of EP5 "GOTTA SAVE CHLOE"
>Last Part of the nightmare "ITS MY DESTINY TO SAVE CHLOE"
>Last page of the journal: "ME AND CHLOE ARE LIKE YIN AND YANG SHE IS MY SOULMATE, MY HERO"
They've also said on twitter that both endings can fit that definition. Someone brought that up and Michel responded with a "yeah, exactly."
I'm strictly Bae and find the Bay ending to be absolute logically convoluted shit but, yeah.
Same here. I'm waiting for a really well written one with smut but I'm not getting it yet and it's so much pain.
Not that anon, but here you go: http://archiveofourown.org/works/4456538
One of the best I've ever read. Made me cry.
That would be true if we had a choice between letting her die back in Ep1 and rewinding.
However, Max rewound. We, players, had no control over that action. Moreover, it wasn't even a conscious action on Max's side; she did it on reflex. Now we can either go back (change the fact that Max saved Chloe) or move forward (let the tornado do its thing).
I just said that she says "I blame my father for my shit life" in the same fit of rage. Also, that is not canon information. That's just what somebody said. Then I could just say everybody saying she was a great and good person just means she was canonically great and good too. We have no evidence that she told Chloe anything like that, or that she would need to either.
What? I said there was something between Frank and her. Jefferson and her, maybe, we don't know for sure, and if so - so what? She broke up with Frank. Is two guys in that span maybe not the most christian thing? Sure. Would it make her a bad person? I can't see how. Again, we don't know whether she did have anything with anyone besides Frank at all, and if she did, if she did at the same time. There's nothing pointing to Nathan and her relationship with Chloe was evidently platonic as the letter suggests. You think if they were girlfriends she would write to her about how she hooked up with a guy at school?
>Their relationship was extremely likely a sexual one.
>willing to go off with a random trucker
Not like she wanted to marry him. She wanted him to drive her out of there and drop her off, standard stuff. At least we have no reason to believe she wanted him?
>Those things don't make her into a bad person.
And I wasn't even saying she is a good person or whatever. I was saying what that other anon said was happening canonically is factually just unfounded.
Both baefags and bayfags are retarded. This is the best option.
no, you caused the tornado in the first place by saving chloe and altering the course of events.
if you go back and let chloe die, you let events follow their natural course, what should always have happened.
you changing the course of events is what causes the weird stuff to happen culminating in the tornado. it's the price you pay for using powers. when you go back and never use time powers, everything goes fine
>You think if they were girlfriends she would write to her about how she hooked up with a guy at school?
Because everyone in the world is a decent person and no one ever would manipulate several people at once for their personal gain.
Except you play as Max who already saved Chloe. You made that choice, it is in the past. You can only undo it by travelling back and changing what you already did, hence you can't accept the past and can't move forward in the bay ending.
I kinda see it differently.
Keep in mind I'm using the narrative given in the game so we're assuming Max is relatively confident that allowing the bathroom shooting to occur will prevent the tornado.
Bay ending = higher power (let's call it 'Fate' so it applies to both religion and 'chaos theory') says that Chloe must die in the bathroom or else bad shit happens. Max sees this, and decides to sacrifice Chloe so things happen as set by Fate, sparing the town from the tornado. She gives in to Fate - she obeys the higher power and falls in line with what was pre-ordained.
Bae ending: Max sees all this. Fate is telling her 'Give me Chloe and I spare the town.' She refuses - defies the higher power. Claims control of her own destiny, tells Fate to sit and spin, owns up to the consequences of her actions and embraces self-determination.
That's just my interpretation, heavily influenced by my own apostasy from Christianity. But it's kinda interesting how we interpreted the same events and came up with basically the opposite idea when it comes to how belief would influence who'd pick what ending.
>you changing the course of events
Again, not me. Max. I had no control over her actions.
Neither did she.
>when you go back
...by using your time powers. Yeah, that totally makes sense.
Yeah, some people aren't very smart but luckily there are people in this world who would help them despite their stupidity. That's why a large population of the world is still alive.
She had her shot and fucked it up by getting involved with shady people. At the same time the townspeople have nobody to blame but themselves but at the end of the day the cost of their lives outweigh a single life.
People who chose the bae ending are people who haven't quite grown up yet, and that's fine. Tough decisions have to be made
>You shouldn't meddle with time travel to alter the choices you make
>So you should use time travel to go back and stop yourself from making those choices
>if you go back and let chloe die, you let events follow their natural course, what should always have happened.
If that's what should have happened, why did you get time rewind powers? Either the universe knew you would use your time rewind to save Chloe, in which case saving Chloe is what was destined to happen, or an entity more powerful than the universe itself bestowed those powers upon you to do with them as you please. In that case, the universe can get fucked with its "natural course of events"
The only way for Max to defy the fate of the universe is if she got her powers from something even more powerful than the universe. Otherwise, the universe wouldn't allow Max to exist with her powers that allow her to fuck with the "fate" of the universe.
Tell your wife you'd happily let her be murdered in a dirty bathroom to spare a large group of people from having to get themselves out of harms way.
See how fast she leaves you.
Entirely possible? Sure. I never argued it is absolutely impossible. Canonical fact? No.
I definitely think the story here is that Rachel wanted to be popular with a lot of people and maybe did "abuse" her popularity to some degree. But at the end of the day, read her letters. She is genuine in them and her relationships seem genuine too, at least to me.
From her letters it seems obvious to me that her and Chloe never officially confessed to each other or even just that Rachel really loved her too. That she broke up with Frank but really did like him before that.
When I think of Rachel's "bad" side, I think (apart from the revenge theory and stuff) about the drugs and booze and stupid fun she is made out to have had with Chloe, the people she introduced her to and so on. That she was a real friend but just circumstantially a bad influence and represents "ignorance" in that Chloe would flee herself into that stuff rather than facing her demons. Not that Rachel slept around and lied to people in order to abuse them.
>People who chose the bae ending are people who haven't quite grown up yet, and that's fine. Tough decisions have to be made
Unfortunately it's the exact opposite. People who choose the bay ending are edgy utaliltarian kids who think they are smart. You probably also have no friends and loved ones so you just can't imagine a situation where quanity doesn't outweight quality.
I never read fanfiction. Except for wank material, generally of source material I'm not attached to so as not to spoil my concepts of the characters.
I've actually sought out LiS fanfics though. Mostly disappointed, but some are fun. I'm staying away from smut, though (at least any involving Max and/or Chloe).
>those who have no means to escape literally don't deserve to live
>holy shit, it's like we're in a video game or something and being used as a plot device... nope, I guess that's too obvious
My theory assumes that there is a "planned" course of events, which can be changed but at a price.
Max chooses to save Chloe in the bathroom in EP1.
This alters the course of events, causing a "butterfly effect"- the game takes some artistic license in that changing a little thing literally causes a tornado (the price that has to be paid to change the predestined future)
when Max goes back to the bathroom in the save-the-bay ending, she undoes any changes she did to time, and from that point on, in that timeline, she never actually uses time travel powers, so she never changes time and the tornado never has to happen.
by letting chloe die, she accepts reality as it is, instead of going to great lengths (timetravel, tornado) to change it. if it wasn't for her, chloe would have died in ep.1. she has to accept her death.
She doesn't. She reacts to the situation, and that somehow leads to her rewinding time.
It was never about "not letting go" or "not accepting the death of her friend" — Max didn't even know it was Chloe at the moment.
But Max is always making that choice in the PRESENT where she did save Chloe. She can only undo her choice by going back to the past, hence she is not accepting the past.
>when Max goes back to the bathroom in the save-the-bay ending, she undoes any changes she did to time, and from that point on, in that timeline, she never actually uses time travel powers, so she never changes time and the tornado never has to happen.
In that case, she could just save Chloe regularly, because in that timeline Chloe never died, Max never rewound time, so Chloe's death is not yet fated to happen.
>People who chose the bae ending are people who haven't quite grown up yet, and that's fine. Tough decisions have to be made
I hope those people never grow up. There's nothing wrong about human sentimentality, or about the base instinct to protect the people in your family group above everything.
>She was in love with Mark Jefferson, and took shots with him willingly. Their relationship was extremely likely a sexual one. I feel like Nathan's lust for her was one-sided.
Remember, all this shit came from Jefferson's mouth. He said he and Rachel had a connection and she was in love with him? Big whup, he also said he and Max had a connection and posited that she had a crush on him, and Max certainly wasn't a willing model. He said Max is the first dark room model to ask to see her photos, so how into it could 'look at me' Rachel have really been?
>because in that timeline Chloe never died
Max goes back to the moment when she took her (second) butterfly photo, which means that Chloe had already died and Max had already used her rewind powers.
come on now. she doesn't want that person to die so she decides to intervene. it just so happens that she can rewind time, and she goes with it.
but she chooses to intervene. she could have just run away or hidden.
obviously she doesn't otherwise the game wouldn't happen.
There are more hints she was playing everyone to gain something than hints she was genuinely trying to make everyone happy.
And yeah, around EP2 when I saw that scrapped letter I also assumed Chloe just had a one sided crush on her.
But then the confrontation with Frank happened in EP4 and it became pretty clear they were on the same page with fighting for Rachel's affections.
Myself or a loved one?
Myself? No way. Self preservation is not what were talking about here. Completely different.
A loved one? Yeah but not for 5 people. In the game it's a town full of people. Between 5 and a town;; where's my line? I dunno. I'd have to be in that situation I guess.
Well, there's your problem. You aren't playing the game as Max but as yourself. You don't see this choice through her eyes but through the eyes of someone who doesn't like Chloe. If you want to make this a real moral choice for you, you need to see Chloe the way Max sees her, as the most important person in her life. Would you sacrifice YOUR most important person, whoever that may be, for an unknown quanitity of people?
I'm not even going to get into the ethical or moral part of this. The Bay ending we get has her in a bathroom with no torn up contest entry. This means that at the point she's returned to, the Max she takes over and leaves a minute or so later already knows she has her power. As soon as the conscience of Friday Max leaves to return the to time she left the cliff, the Monday Max resumes exactly where fate left off--with her going into the bathroom to save Chloe.
Doesn't matter what your views on morals or ethics are in this debate. There is literally no logical way that Max can actually undo everything we've done to stop herself from saving Chloe (which was fated to happen no matter what), unless the universe decides to take the power away from her.
>holy shit, you drastically changed the timeline from how it would have played out without your powers
>better rewind that shit and try to fix it as best to your abilities
>fuck that shit, amana go make out with my best friend/grillfriend
>but she chooses to intervene
She chose to intervene. She didn't choose to fuck up the time. She wasn't holding on to anything.
>she goes with it
She had no choice in that matter. It just happened.
>Chloe wasn't even a likable character.
this is why it shouldn't be up to the player to decide.
Max loves Chloe and would never let her go but a bunch of spergs will off her just because they didn't like how that one time she threw a fit.
You're a fucking terrible person. If you could choose between, say the life of your daughter, the life of 200 people and your own life, your own life would be what you'd be willing to sacrifice last? And you have the gall to call bae fags morally inferior?
>hints she was genuinely trying to make everyone happy.
Which brings me back to my original point that I never said anything like that. WHO even says that?
I'm just saying there is no evidence for her lying and sleeping around. And if you take "what people say" as "hints" then you'll also have to accept that there are a whole lot of "hints" that Rachel was a literal angel, I guess.
You guys just want to argue and never just admit anything. Ok, I'll just play the role of the "Rachel apologist" and see my way out of this discussion.
>because in that timeline Chloe never died
what? no, max goes back to when nathan shoots chloe dead.
she does die.
preventing her to die in any way (using knowledge of the future) would be changing time.
>the Max she takes over and leaves a minute or so later already knows she has her power.
i don't think she knows. max goes back to *before* she first used her power, and she doesn't use it.
autopilot max in the bay ending doesn't know about her power until she re-syncs
>You're a fucking terrible person
No argument there. There's nothing moral about it. First and foremost is self preservation. After that it's math with a variable. The variable being the sacrificed life's importance to me
>max goes back to *before* she first used her power
She doesn't. She goes back to the moment when she last took the picture of the butterfly, which happens after she rewound for the first time. She's aware of her powers.
>i don't think she knows. max goes back to *before* she first used her power, and she doesn't use it.
autopilot max in the bay ending doesn't know about her power until she re-syncs
The ending takes place in a bathroom where her torn up contest entry is not on the floor. The only time this happened was in the Ep. 5 SF timeline where she turns that photo in. We return to this timeline via a selfie, which is the selfie Max takes after using her powers to rewind time and fix her camera.
The Max we return to in the Bay ending already knows she has the powers.
Nah, it's more than what people say.
And even then, the most interesting thing is what people say compared to what other people say.
And I never said sleeping around is bad. As for lying, well that much was obvious.
But anyway whatever she did she didn't deserve to die.
But if anything does exist, it is part of the universe by definition.
The idea of self-determination is that there is no 'fate of the universe' - in my interpretation, defying 'Fate' is functionally same thing as accepting that there's no such thing as 'Fate', 'fate', or preordained decisions by higher powers.
Anyway, the point is that through some spiritual or scientific means she became able to do something interesting with unexpected consequences dictated by an unknowable spiritual or scientific power.
I subscribe to the belief that everything that can possibly exist is or will eventually be explainable by science. This includes spiritual shit that probably doesn't exist but can never be disproved since there will always be the possibility of energy we can't perceive yet.
>No argument there. There's nothing moral about it. First and foremost is self preservation. After that it's math with a variable. The variable being the sacrificed life's importance to me
>After that it's math with a variable
Spotted the utilitarian c uck who weighs the value of human life as a number
She wakes up in class => Goes to the bathroom => Takes a picture of the butterfly (1) => Witnesses Chloe getting shot => Rewinds for the first time [x] => Wakes up in class => Goes to the bathroom => Takes a picture of the butterfly (2) => Watches the encounter => Triggers the alarm
When she goes back in the Bay ending, she focuses on the second photo, (2), which happens AFTER she rewound for the first time.
That artist draws them like a mix between POWs from concentration camps and skeletors. I mean, honestly, people are not that... angular.
>this is why it shouldn't be up to the player to decide.
>Max loves Chloe and would never let her go
but it is up to the player to decide whether she would or wouldn't (cause this is a game and both endings are canon), all your "should"s and "shouldn't"s, "would"s and "wouldn't"s don't mean anything
>This slut was canonically playing Frank, Chloe, Nathan and Jefferson all at once and we are still somehow supposed to feel sorry for her death.
That is the original statement I was arguing against. If yoiu are not that poster, and you admit that it's not canonical fact, and that even if it was, that it wouldn't necessarily make her a slut whose death we shouldn't care about, why are you even arguing with me to begin with?
>'I washed my face, then the butterfly flew in, I took a photo-'
>'Shit.. what just happened? I blacked out? No, no, no... not again! It can't happen again! That girl... I have to save her!'
>'Rewind, gotta rewind...'
>'Fuck, why isn't it working!? It worked in the classroom! Come on.. please... rewind... please!'
>'Shit, the security officer is here... is it too late? I can't let this happen!'
>'Did he... did he just call her Chloe?'
>but it is up to the player to decide whether she would or wouldn't
Yeah, which is bullshit and part of the reason why the story and particularly endings are retarded and disliked by anyone with the slightest bit of critical thinking.
R-rude. But yeah, not always the most pleasent works.
And guess what, that's exactly what anyone in the same situation would do. It's human nature to protect your loved ones even if it means that many strangers could die as a result.
it'd be nice, but honestly the game's engine was more than adequate for the atmosphere they created.
I'd rather they spend that money on better models and facial expressions/lip syncing.
My first post wasn't a wall of text. Look >>121176229. Then THEY threw a wall of text at me, so I had to remind them about none of it being canonically evidenced at all.
And then you came in and said I was implying she was a good girl who just wanted everyone to be happy. When I didn't imply that at all. Like I suggest here >>121181120, I think there's definitely dark areas with Rachel as well. And part of it may be that she wasn't too up-front about her relationships with people. But not anywhere near like that anon suggested. I think her "flaws" lie elsewhere.
>Yeah, which is bullshit and part of the reason why the story and particularly endings are retarded
cool, just know that the argument "in reality max would undeniably do what I think she would do" is meaningless
>disliked by anyone with the slightest bit of critical thinking.
well that certainly isn't a ridiculous claim, nope, not at all
Self preservation is at the very base of existence. Unless there's something seriously wrong with you the number one daily "to-do" for everyone is "not die today".
I can totally understand why people would save that single loved one instead of a multitude of other people. It's just wrong. These people have blinders on and only care about themselves, they don't see other families, other children who have their whole lives ahead of them, and all the people that are directly affected by each and every one of their deaths. It's embarrassing and you should feel very selfish for trading all the for that 1 person.
Yeah it's going to suck for you (me) losing that person but you have to deal with it for the greater good like I said earlier. Some people haven't quite grown up yet. Tough decisions have to be made
Loved ones are tools to our own survival, it's why we live in tribes and look out for our own against all others. Letting #'s of people die to save a loved one is based in the exact same instinct as letting #'s of people die to save yourself.
>These people have blinders on and only care about themselves
>It's embarrassing and you should feel very selfish for trading all the for that 1 person.
>Self preservation is at the very base of existence
One of these things is not like the others.
please wait, you'll be shat on by the butthurt pricefields momentarily
Reminder that if you thought episode 5 was a good finale you deserve to be euthanized.
I can totally understand why people would save themselves instead of a multitude of other people. It's just wrong. These people have blinders on and only care about themselves, they don't see other families, other children who have their whole lives ahead of them, and all the people that are directly affected by each and every one of their deaths. It's embarrassing and you should feel very selfish for trading all the for yourself.
Yeah it's going to suck for you (me) dying but you have to deal with it for the greater good like I said earlier. Some people haven't quite grown up yet. Tough decisions have to be made
Are you really surprised? Because I'm not
>that grandière delusion
also you're on 4chan anon, if that surprises you then you're really at the wrong place, maybe try tumblr instead
I dunno, I thought I've seen everything regarding this argument you could come up with but first time I'm saying a Bayc.uck being like "Actually it's okay to kill hundreds people to save yourself, it only starts being wrong if you do it to save another person :)" like holy shit.
tfw when you will never be max's partner in time
>complains about memes
>posts a meme
here have another one
tfw you'll never fuck Max.
The saddest thing in this picture? You are spanish. (I kid.)
>this faggot doesn't make out with his friends
There are worse things you can be than spanish
Like Mexican, Argentinian, Brazilian and so on?
Like Eastern Europoor.
Well I guess that's slightly better than an avarage Brazillian