Cloaker a cute! CUTE! edition
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>Extremely In-Depth Guide on the Mechanics of PAYDAY 2
>Skill/Weapon Stat Calculator:
>Skilltree Guide (slightly out of date):
>Perk Deck Guide:
>Stat Ranking and Breakpoints (slightly out of date):
>Weapon/Armor/Damage/Pickup Spreadsheets (not up to date):
>Big Oil Engine Calculator:
>Latest Updates Here:
>Mods and Lua:
think of it this way
if you sell the drill now, you're selling an asset that is consistently worth 2.50.
You get $2.50. Done.
if you use the key and get a shit drop, which is probably 90% likely, you're gambling away $2.50 on a 10% chance
You'll get $0.10-$1.00
if you use the key and get a great drop, which is probably 10% likely, you'll have to sell quickly for as high as possible for quickest return on investment
hold onto it and hope they become rare in the future
things to consider
>will these crates be around forever (will they always drop)?
>will new crates replace these crates or maybe just be added along)?
>if you sell now, and they're worth more later, do you care if you lose the chance to sellit for, say, $20 or $200 in a few months/years?
>are you feelin' lucky punk?
>well? do ya?
Reminder that Clover was going to be voiced by Bonnie.
further proven by the fact that in this video, "clover" is depicted as having no long hair. I'm pretty sure overkill made the mask THEN decided what her character's face would look like
that'll probably block you from getting legit safe/drill from card drops
also its a stolen stolen script and it makes me mad that thief's keep perpetuating the bug i wrote in the original unlock for /pdg/ instead of fixing it
I was in a heist before and when we opened the vault it loooked like this.
I noped the fuck out of there. but what the fuck?
I can't tell if you're purposefully ignoring the fact that I was being sarcastic or if you're just fucking stupid.
Either way feel free to report them on the steam hub bitch. All Overkill can do is ban them from the steam group.
35th for another perk deck rebalance on its way.
For armorfags, infiltrator is the best middle ground with its 32% less damage you receive from cops and the 20% health regen you get every ten seconds from just slapping the ass of an unit.
If going masterfug, grinder is an excellent choice.
Any hackerbros want to rain some money on me in-game? I had a stupid amount of money before going Infamy, and now that they have added all these new weapon/mask slots I could use a couple hundred million in spending cash to fix my collection.
>needing hacking to get money,
this ain't GTA:Online here, just play Mallcrasher Overkill or Cook-off if you want some spare money.
I know, I had well over 60m from rushing shadowraid back in the day, and I would buy a bunch of RPGs and re-sell them after hitting infamy. But I recently burned through what was left right as they add another 200 million-ish worth in weapon/mask slots.
IT WAS FREE VR HEADSEAT, FREE FUCKING VR HEADSET.
Give me one reason to put a single point in Crew Chief.
Here's the late news from Overkill_Jules regarding the weapon rebalance update incoming.
>Reducing low damage pistol by 15 damage is a bit to much. Instead they will be reduced by 3- 6 damage.
>Weapon are now distributed in Archetype for the stat. We need first to have an healthy balance between the weapon categories before we go balancing inside of them.
>The 10 damage seems to be a good start. The combination of skill in the Enforcer skill tree will increase the damage by 15%, 35% and 75%. If after some test it turns out that it is not enough we will look into additional changes.
>No further updates on the measly 4 - 8 proposed increase to AR accuracy.
Must be because everyone must have agreed on this point. Wouldn't be surprised it's the light assault rifles like the Commando, Clarion or JP36 who benefits it the most.
I KNOW HOW TO FIX DAMAGE IN PAYDAY
MAKE WEAPONS HAVE VARIABLE DAMAGE
INSTEAD OF HITTING FOR 43 DAMAGE
YOU NOW HIT BETWEEN A RANDOM NUMBER OF 36-50 DAMAGE BUT 43 AS THE AVERAGE
META FAGS BTFO
Why the fuck are they even touching 40 damage pistols? They're barely viable as it is.
Why did they even implement a fucking archtype system? Everyone will still just use the minmaxed one.
Who the fuck wants a cqc rifle???
The old system was so much better, all they needed was to tweak some values on the underpowered and overpowered guns and it would have been perfect.
Now everything is homogenised to shit for no reason at all.
>there will never be a perk deck designed around headshots and long range
>it will never have a headshot damage multiplier bonus
>it will also never have a bullet:distance damage bonus of +1:1m
>you will never use that perk deck, a bipod Buzzsaw, and do consecutive 100m+ headshots with it.
Cool, I noticed a lot of iron-sighting accuracy's been shot for some odd reason too, I'm having better luck hitting things while hipfiring with a laser module.
Or maybe I'm just being shit.
you cunts are such fucking hypocrites
you all throw a shitfit about these retarded skins and now you fucking love it dont you
you aren't even self aware enough to see what you're doing and i bet you've already got skins on your dumb guns
fucking eat shit you huge gang of flip flopping faggots
>Now everything is homogenised to shit for no reason at all.
The old system was homogenised to shit as well though, most guns "worth using" hit the same breakpoints and handled nearly identically anyway. Yeah, you could argue it was superior to the current tier system of Deagle brand Deagle and everything else, but it was still far from good
Hey, it's not being hypocrite if you sucked Overkill's cock from the start.
I never cared about skins themselves. They're ugly and most stat boots are too rare and useless for me to give a fuck. My only problem with this was the fact that Overkill backed down on their word and added microtransactions into the game. And now drills are droppable and all's well (on this end, at least).
I never used their skins and I'm not planning on doing so. I'll stick to my superior GoonMod.
>90< accuracy weapons hit long range targets more reliably than <90 accuracy weapons
You don't say?
>Only 900 RPMs
>Not the Buzzsaw 42 for 1200 Rabbi Purgers/ Minute
You kinda did an end run around the point there, being that 90 is absolute shit for a properly modded DMR and also way too high for a pistol.
Also I would love the MG42 but don't got that historical pack.
Too edgy or just edgy enough since I'm going for Jin-Roh ICTV w/ MG42 cosplay?
Shittiest weapon in the game. And why build a wannabe sniper rifle without the penetration of one?
So young, so angry. Damn that rap music!
Is it really that wrong to appreciate the JP36 slaughter skin ?
>there are people in this thread who have trouble stealthing Golden Grin Casino DW
He's just a bottom, someone's got to be one when Chain's BBC needs relief.
considering how the Overkill and Goonmod's guns are already hideous, it would maybe be for the best to spare the suit and ICTV from this madness.
>No legendary Crosskill skin that turns it into the Hardballer.
>The only two legendary skins are a golden gaudy deagle and a horribly mutilated rifle that used to be an AK.
Haven't played in a while and it seems the game took a turn for the worse. Or at least the developers. Has it changed THAT much really or is everybody just being a big baby about it?
It changed a lot but people are also acting big baby about it.
It's still a bit confusing to mod most of the weapons considering how they're now forced to specific roles like the AR with huge ammo pool and poor accuracy and you can't really change their fate except for ruining other important stats in the process.
A lot of weapons are now viable and silencers are more interesting to use for loud jobs but some shotguns and other weapons like the Pratchett really bitted the dust.
Game is not that much P2W, just a bit more casual.
except Overkillis surprised.
please make this happen
>painting the stock in black reduce the stability,
If you just sell this drill, you should be able to buy a legendary Ydragill Clarion, don't do this anon.
its effectively the same as /pdg/ script that only worked during tempfix by forging return values from the steam inventory validations
any legit changes to steam inventory between running unlock and exiting game (getting drop from cards, unboxing, removing applied legit skins) will fail
I wish it would've just made it look like the end's mosin
>using ugly polymer trash instead of smooth metal german curves
what's wrong with you?
This is local and doesn't effect the Steam economy. Until someone finds a way to crash the economy doing this: USELESS.
>mfw I found out you can ecm rush big oil day 1
>mfw my friends never believe this is true, only to complain after ecm rushing that this day is too boring.
That's been a thing for a while now, I've seen it happen a few token times in pubbies surprisingly.
Then again it was usually with higher Infamies playing with friends who had a open spot for whatever reason so I just played along. Wish that happened more, I'd like to do another Cook Off where there's a dedicated cook who knew Bain's bull-shittery while the rest of us just keep the pigs off our dicks.
Shit's a different kind of magic to experience when you're all a cohesive unit that can make about twenty-ish bags without skipping a beat.
Where they at least mint-condition ?
It's supposed to be 30% max to be a critical hit like any other guns but i don't know if it counts for each pellets or not for shotguns.
>tfw soloing Shuriken Shenanigans on that heist
>Shotguns have a 30% critical hit chance per pellet, but there is a catch: Critical hits are evaluated after the favorite pellet of a shotgun blast is selected (that is if several pellets hit the same enemy). If you hit 12 enemies with 12 pellets, the game evaluates a 30% chance for each of the enemies, so it is likely to get a few critical hits. If you hit one enemy with 12 pellets, you have a plain 30% critical hit chance.
read the long guide, family
Completed achievement for 25 dozer kills with G3 thanks to anons help telling me about Meltdown. Get my DMR all modded up with the parts I like, end result is a primary that's just barely more accurate than a Deagle, has a smaller magazine, does considerably less damage, has a longer reload time and worse ammo pickup. This is a primary weapon. A full length .308 battle rifle. I'll still use it because I like it, but god damn.
>Host gets put into custody halfway through
>Idiots use C4 before we even open the gold-vault
>Never ending wave
>Gets kicked right before entering the garage/car park
I'm done with pubs, fucking wankers the lot of em.
Of course host had to be a swede aswell, all of them are humongous faggots desu.
Just go full battle-rifle and stick to the single-fire mode while using the wooden grip and tactical's compensator for 100 accuracy.
Still not as much impressive as other 160+ damage battle rifles but still very fun.
Except it has worse ammo pickup.
There's no reason to use a DMR kit over the M308.
Well, unless you're too low of level for the M308 or you want a goofy Dozer Buster, then you can put the DMR Kit on the AMR-16 (highest rate of fire).
What would you recommend for a battle rifle anyway? I know there's quite a few options. So far the DMR kit 7.62 AK seems like the best bet. I'm just a big fan of the G3 and kinda let down by what Overkill did to it.
>Nerfing assault rifles
>Anything below 50% accuracy is a probability cannon
>Valkyria Rifle nerfed to oblivion and back
Did...Did no one playtest this at Overkill?
>Valkyria Rifle nerfed to oblivion and back
I wanted to love it so very, very much. I have an enduring fondness for the AS VAL and VSS from loads of STALKER, but this is just not viable. How this thing literally built for stealth is so objectively inferior to a CAR-4 for the same purpose, I do not know.
Go Grinder. Go Muscle if you don't have Sokol.
Either play with people you know or play with bots. Pubs will either fuck up their skills and weapons or fuck up in game. Or both.
Don't act dumb.
>implying that the AR were in a better shape before the black market update,
All the heavy assault rifles were just trash and the Car-4 was basically a Pay 2 Meta weapon. At least know you can bring a Falcon Rifle or G3 on a Overkill or DW job without feeling like a huge retard.
DMR kit rifles hit higher concealment than the M308, meaning better LBSB builds.
M308 has a 10 concealment max.
G3 being 14.
AK.762 being 17.
AMR-16 being 18.
AK being 20.
CAR-4 being 24.
If the cavity is considered a DMR, then that hits 28.
I'm not on my desktop right now, so I can't check in game.
According to pd2skills, the M308 gets 100 damage and 16 accuracy. While the AK762 gets 85 damage and 18 accuracy.
But, you know, the balance changes everything.
That's more of a Overkill weapon considering how it can't reach the 121 damage breakpoint for DW needed to kill the grey units in one headshot. Although it can easily get superior damage with crits hits from a sb/lb build, it's hard to put it on the same level as a M308 or a dmr AK 7.62
Why use a low rate of fire high damage weapon with critical hits? You're already killing cops in one or two shots, so why waste the skill points and all the other stats you'll miss out on modding for concealment just to have a chance to do extra damage to a dead body?
And I was talking specifically about the DMR Kit mods, the G3, both AKs, CAR and AMR all have the same shitty ammo pickup rate, making them inferior to an M308 when built with no regards to concealment.
DMR kits don't reduce rate of fire. DMR kits improves accuracy and damage at the cost of ammo. That's why I use them for my SBLB build. At least, until I got the WA2000.
But I didn't know they had shit ammo pick up. I'll keep that in mind if I make another build, something with less concealment.
>Who /dreamheister/ here?
>comes with some sort of M16 weapon
>Nick DLC Heister alongside No Mercy remake when?
Should've got this guy as a movie tie-in instead of John Wick tbqh, famalam.
>Or how about we stop adding characters altogether and improve the actual game?
Overkill just can't resist to add them and you know it.
Only character I want is kawaii-tan.
Is there a Melee only build?
Also wanna figure out the best Grinder build possible. Is currently working alright with the AK and the Krinkov.
I'm actually kind of impressed they managed to reintroduce the "new item icon not going away" bug. Must be tough remembering to flag items so the game doesn't constantly think they're new.
Bulletproof ICTV with Pumping Iron and Martial Arts using the Katana with Sociopath.
On Overkill, one shot everything under an FBI Green with an uncharged melee strike. Greens only need a quarter second charge and Tans require about half a second.
Val is pretty gud.
It comes surpressed and it has lowest concealement for a surpressed.
It does the job.
Not that you need it since playing cards have 100% accuracy and are completely silent as well
>AMERIKAN HIGH FIVES FOR EVERYONE
>FIRE IN MY BELLY, ICE IN MY VEINS
>Spotted a badass, but was looking in the mirror
>Barney, your popcorn is scaring control
>Call me the cloaker smoker
>STOP LOOKIN' AT MAH SEXY ARSE AND GET TO WORK
>I HAVEN'T BEEN THIS EXCITED SINCE 1985
>A KISS FROM BONNIE FOR EACH DEAD COPPAH
>MY PATIENCE IS THINNER THAN YOUR FATHER'S DICK
>Fuck a duck!
>We are all Bonnie here
>[angry japanese noises]
Actually i'm pretty sure all of those was done already, i just never see updated picture posted. Bonnie and Jiro was done, not sure about Sokol, maybe i missed him.
Guise, how the fuck do i get more skill set slots?
Used some Lua mod for this back in the day, but the piece of shit mod erased all of them the last time Lua wen't down.
5 just ain't enough.
work your way towarsd harder difficulties and meta weapons.
Don't take what other people say is good. Take it into consideration but play what you think is fun.
As long as you know the game but choose fun over super meta speedrun frame savin strats you're fine
Since a couple updates back, i've been unable to click any steam overlay option from inside the game, for example "INVITE FRIENDS" or "GAMEHUB", etc.
Clicking on them does nothing, and no window pops up.
Tried with BLT hook disabled, no mods, no change.
Yeah, I always need to have 24 cable ties on Slaughterhouse.
>Not wanting to delay the cops in between assaults and have less special cops spawn
I know its reddit but fuck it, we play this game too so it's extremely related
Copy and paste for the autists:
>In this thread I will present the different changes that we're planning to do and update them based on your feedback and suggestions. After a while we will release a Beta with the planned changes we’ve gathered in this thread.
>We will open other threads as we go to discuss other game changes. In this thread we will only discuss the weapon balance. We'll mark those threads as DevTalk
>Here is our proposed changes for the first update to the weapon balance pass:
>General : All weapons will be able to benefit from the fear effect from Muscle perk deck. Disturbing the Peace perk: “You can now use light machine guns, submachine guns and sniper rifles to spread panic among your enemies. Panic will make enemies go into short bursts of uncontrollable fear.”
>Pistol : All Pistols’ damage will be reduced by 15 damage.
>Shotguns : The M1014, Izhma 12G , Predator 12G, Stakeout 12G and Street Sweeper will have their damage increased by 10.
>Rifles : The accuracy for low damage Assault Rifles ( < 45 ) will be raised by 4 to 8 points.
>Discussion regarding weapon balance (first pass)
>Presentation of the second pass
>Introduction of playable beta with the changes
>Additional discussion, changes to be made during beta, testing
>Release to main game
>What do you guys think about these proposed changes? What would you want to have changed? I’m looking forward to your feedback and suggestions!
He also said there will be a separate thread for perk decks
What change does /pdg/ want to see?
Muscle is already the best deck for armor, giving it a minor buff doesn't make much sense.
Blanket changes like -15 damage will do jack shit for the worst offenders and make many of the average pistols just plain shit. +4-8 accuracy is a laughably tiny change, I'm not sure what Overkill is trying to do.
I want a better AI and less abusive cloakers.
Playing PD:TH feels just right, cops destroy you easily so you can do stupid shit like running everywhere killing everything and snipers were goddamn annoying, not just useless. Also, definitely better perks, there is no point on not using Muscle basically, and Crook, Armorer, Crew Chief and all that stuff are pretty much useless.
I'm pretty sure these ideas are still up in the air
>>Pistol : All Pistols’ damage will be reduced by 15 damage.
>DEagle will still be the best weapon in the game
>Mauser will become an even bigger piece of shit
>>All weapons will be able to benefit from the fear effect from Muscle
But... why? Muscle is already one of the best decks.
To further turn it into the objectively best deck over the other viable ones.
Do you really expect Overshit to provide -good- changes at this point over questionable or unnecessary ones?
Apparently hosts can see the skin if you join a pub, while other clients cannot. And you don't get marked as a cheater for it.
You do get kicked from a helluva lot of pubs for using a legendary skin though.
Which barrel is better on the Vulcan? Stumpy or long?
long barrel + half that kit + Led Combo + accuracy skin.
Can't promise you'll have a good time still.
>asking for a free skin mod,
very subtle undercover.
>tfw most of my friends are pocofags.
This shit is starting to get too far.
I only use it for buff indicators, some timers, and better damage direction indication arcs.
I also remember reading something that using bipods and poco damage arcs at the same time sometimes crashes the game, dat true?
Serious question guys, is it possible to activate the Overkill skill by just sawing deposit safes ?
There must has to be alternatives to berserker basic to be able to open safes in one tape.
>he doesn't know that Guessing game is the true horror.
>All weapons will be able to benefit from the fear effect from Muscle perk deck
Whatever. As long as it doesn't make the game any more challenging because we wouldn't want to scare off the target audience.
>All Pistols’ damage will be reduced by 15 damage
So instead of choosing between several OP pistols you will choose between bronco and deagle.
Polishing a turd.
ANY kind of buff is welcome at this point.
>does one last run for the night
>equip crook build skills and weapons
>downed 6 times
>wondering why I'm doing bad
>I had the suit on and forgot to equip LBV
>losing ~10 dodge and ~100 armor and not noticing
>tfw everyone will use the angry-beear skin for the bernetti for broken SB/LB builds now that the skin unlocker is out.
Expect things to get out of control in the next days /pdg/.
>Do a Mallcrasher DW job with friends,
>had to quickly quit in order to take a saw and c4 on a regular techforcer build for extra money,
>only realized at the end i was stuck in a suit,
Best part is i wasn't even the most downed player.
What's shit that never happened, Alex?
>not going suit techforcer
Going slow is the absolute worst.
>mfw grinder techforcers are actually a thing.
>saw skills but no ima
>no mag plus
Not sure if bait.
That's grinder for you.
I don't understand what you're getting at? Iron Man? Not even once...
And what the hell would you need Mag Plus for?
If you're going fast might as well shoot some cops while you're at it, no? And what's the point of going all the way up tech and not even touching the best skills it has to offer?
Iron Man Aced lets you shoot while sprinting, and melee shields to knock them back. Granted, the second bit is unlikely to happen, but it's a bonus when you're running around.
And Mag Plus is pretty much a skill that is useful in any loud build. The less time reloading, the more time spent shooting cops.
Shame they both are tiny fish in the big deagle ocean.
Drum mag, niggers
It's one of the absolute best shotguns, it's just that shotties ain't in a good place right now.
>Been playing nothing but Slaughterhouse since it was added because all of the vanilla/DLC Payday 2 maps are garbage
>I'd play a lot more First World Bank if it weren't for Overdrill faggots
What is this feel?
10/10 would breakout her on DW
Oi! Dallas! You should tell your brother to change his name to Houston!
>GL-40 had an anti-taser effect to make if so a taser couldn't insta-down you from across a room.
>Now it seems like they removed the safety feature from the GL-40 too.
The weapon balance post was updated
Posting this from my phone so I might fuck up
>First Iteration :
>Thank you all for your feedback! We’ve read through it all and here’s an updated changelog.
>General : The ammo pick up rate will be increased for all weapons, but the increase will be most noticeable on high ammo count weapons.
>Assault Rifles : All Assault Rifles will gain a 8 point accuracy increase.
>Pistol : All Pistols’ damage will be decreased individually based on their own specific damage value. High damage Pistols will receive a bigger damage reduction than the small damage Pistols.
>Akimbo : Gunslinger will increase Akimbo Pistols’ damage by 15 instead of 7.5.
>We’ve read your feedback on Melee Weapons but are focusing on Primary and Secondary weapons at the moment. At a later date we will work on a more in-depth solution for Melee Weapons to add more variation to their versatility.
>As always, your feedback is much appreciated and we’re looking forward to hear what you think about this updated change log. We’re working on getting a beta for the Weapon Balance Pass that we’ll launch as soon as possible.
>get hyped for Akimbos being awesome
>remember that everything's gonna be OP anyway