NEVER EVER edition
New Hero D.Va announced
New Hero Mei-Ling Zhou teased
Overwatch is a first person shooter made by Blizzard. The closed beta is live but you aren't invited.
>list of /vg/ battletags (post yours in the thread if you want to be added to it
Widowmaker is the absolute best and cutest!
nth for ddosing seagulls stream every time I get left out on a wave
>make reddit thread with good discussion, thinking it might higher my chances for beta access
>people reply to the thread, discuss it, but somehow the thread gets downvoted into oblivion
Lol what the fuck, is this the doing of othe thread creators to push their own threads?
What a shitty site
tried that already
thinking about writing them an e-mail how I'm a developer for certain things etc.
Well none of the above applies to my thread.
Legit discussion, nobody even mentioned the beta access yet
I worked as a QA tester with unreal engine shit for years, played comp tf2 for a long time as well, and work as a programmer
sent the dev team an email telling them about myself and asking for an invite
still radio silence
they only want PR people
if you can get viewers you're in, if you can't, you're not in
simple as that
Whenever I kill one of the waifus in the game I always imagine my bullets are orgasm inducing chemical darts and their death cries are actually mind wiping orgasms that leave them breathless for the respawn timer. Or orgasm inducing neuron pulses if it's an energy weapon.
Anybody else think like this?
Same situation as you, plus I also have some old videos from 2009/10 with a couple hundred thousand views.
Tried a support ticket, twitter, formally emailing PR and besides a copypaste response from Blizz CS none of them have responded.
You need to be in the 1% to get handpicked.
I hate you because you said it so many times I do it now. God dammit fuck.
Living the dream desu senpai.
>whenever one of the waifus takes a deep breath after taking critical damage, it isn't because she's in pain
>she's struggling to fight off blacking out from the intense sexual pleasure
>Being a cúck trying to please your friends
>Hey bro, just fuck my Overwatch girl, she is hot as fuck and you'll cum buckets, i'll watch you meanwhile
Thanks for 1 more open slot for the next invite wave.
There's only 2 things they ban for right now, so he either
>sold/shared his account with someone else and they detected multiple MAC and IPs
>acted like and idiot, they ban for being mean and saying nigger, and the like
also nice filename dude
Nothing I replied to in the original post said anything about luck or pussy. It says you need to get views and that's how you get in.
Maybe you should learn how to write out your thoughts better faggot.
seagull's a complete selllout that spouts memes, spends his time thanking for donations, and pays people to shill his channel on reddit
it's a 4chan filename, he saved the file from 4chan
do I really have to spell it out?
it's not his picture, he's not banned, he did it for the yous
>The idea of blacking out from an orgasm
Plz don't do this to me, you've won already.
niggers it's been in the thread all the time, I'm not even the guy you originally replied to. You got in because you got lucky and that's it.
>removing your trip just so you can reply to me
>mfw I didn't even filter
>like one or two times
>get banned from the game
Seriously Blizzard is that much of a kcuc? Come on this "political correctness" is killing the world.
Back in the glory days of gaming there were
A] friends who played together and did not give a fuck, even if you played with "niggers" they would just share a laugh with you
B] server admins who banned you (from that server only) if you said something "offensive"... but then you could just go to another server and continue having fun
Who the hell thought matchmaking would be a good thing? Fucking come on, matchmaking should've been left to the console peasants.
>ebin kill yourself meme
Here enjoy a screenshot while you calm down
they're obsessed with keeping the community from becoming "toxic"
>girl streamer on a different forum mentioned she was "harassed" and reported the guy who did it
>he was banned
>literally all he did was say she was a bad tracer , so maybe she should switch to something more useful like a reinhart
this is the future that was chosen
the girl gamer entitlement
they get told they are bad and someone bans the mean man
meanwhile, some dude tracks down my name and address after a game of dota and sends death threats to me because I fed, and nothing happens
If it would be the big companies only, it would be half as bad. But most people are so brainwashed from the jew propaganda, they just give into it.
That's why people should start fighting back, instead of being keks and watching twitch streams
any of you class-based FPS pricks ever tried
Overwatch not-so-legal release and matchmaking server emulator when?
I remember when CoD MW2 came out you had a matchmaking emulator already on the first day, and I also remember that it worked better than the official IWNet for like almost a month.
Also... not becoming
If you don't stress your immune system a little, the common cold will take the better of you soon enough.
(Newfag question: how do I write a partially greentext line? So like >word and this should not be green, but without making an explicit line break.)
>Hell I'd even pay up 60 buckerinos at this point.
oy vey it's working
but doesn't 60 dollars seem a bit cheap for such a good game? i mean blizzard worked really hard on it
playing it is a privilege really
You guys are seriously deluded to think blizzard is not going to jump on the F2P torture/rape train and ride the micro-transactions/cosmetics straight into your asshole.
And if you didn't catch on by now, no, i'm not implying f2p is a good thing
At this point I hope they put a nice meaty box price on the game just so faggots like you can shut the fuck up.
And yes retard, making a game is hard work.
Every fucking building in the game, every fucking prop has been slaved over by an artist for hours or days. Every animation has been tweaked for weeks. Every character model has been modeled, unwrapped, modeled again, unwrapped again, painted, baked, and this shit done as many times as it's need for it to look good.
Engineers have been working on for months on the engine so it doesn't work like shit even on good hardware like for instance - Valve's shit games.
And the marketing team deserves money too, because getting retarded autists interested in something isn't nearly as easy as you would think.
So it is hard work. And they do deserve money.
If you're a NEET fuck off back to TF2.
>F2P means they wouldn't make money
F2P means they would make all the fucking money in the world: that's the fucking problem. Retards buy right into the micro transactions.
Case in point: Hearthstone.
>it didnt work well in HOTS
Remind me again how much $$$ WizardPoker has raked in for them?
Would sure be a shame if Overwatch was infested with jew-tier hero skin packs and the like.
A. People would be less inclined to partake in the micro transactions, because they already spent money on the game. Look at Portal 2.
B. When you make the game F2P and then add the Microtransaction "totally not required" stuff, you get a horde of drones defending you with C L A S S I C arguments like "it was free, you can't complain :)"
It really depends what exactly they are selling.
If it's skins no one would complain either way.
There's loads of games with a box price that sold skins as well. Tons of them as of late.
MOBA is a genre for autists that requires a lot of time to absorb the knowledge and apply it at a decent+ level, not to mention the microtranscations they have. People won't drop it after wasting 500+ hours to get decent at it or drop playing with their friends either.
On the other hand you have Global Offensive, unless there is no MT there and just drops. Fuck that CS bootleg game anyway.
Also Portal 2 isn't really comparable because it's mostly a single player game and the co-op won't hold players for long enough to make them consider buying MT stuff.
I'd say the main question about OW having a box price is if Blizz is willing to gamble into the game being successful based on the company name, given that it's a new IP on a new genre for them.
>people charging hundreds of dollars for accounts
>risk of blizzard banning the account even if you do buy one
how fucking long do you have to wait, assuming you never get an invite to closed beta?
open beta this year?
post yfw everyone who attends Blizzcon gets an OW beta invite
I know it's awfull but I'd fucking pay them 200+ dollars easy for some founders pack bullshit if it let me play the game now
but no, they wont even take my money, it's like they're just being spitefull
Mercy is old! Old! Old!
It's a good thing she's a doctor so she can do her own hip replacements!
She is too cute to be true.
That's the bad thing: she isn' true. You can almost feel her, you can almost see her touch her. But she is not there, she is in you, in your mind, in your heart. You experience true love, the one that will never, ever be given to you and what will never, ever exist between two existing humans.
Why does Blizzard torture us with good girls like these. Kerrigan, Jaina, Tyrande, Tracer and Mercy...
I humble another night where I would have had cuddled up to Tracer. And yet another night going away pointlessly.
>mfw the phone first autokeked Tyrande to Tyrone...
How the fuck is someone in a
developedworld where life expectancy is like 70 years is old at 34? She's literally just at the prime of her life...
Seriously how long will these word filters be effective? I thought it is some sort of a Halloween spook joke.
>prime of her life
Her body's been going downhill in several ways for over a decade.
>guy got in on the reddit whine thread
>he's posting 4-5 days later
>says the game is boring and he hates it, doesn't want to test anymore
I hate this world and all who inhabit it
look at his post history
he whined on reddit until they did the "blizzard senpai notice me" thread, then posted in there begging
now he wants out because it's not a finished game
It's one image and O'Neal average, gr8 b8.
Ten damn milliseconds. Oh come on, the girl next door turns on her camera vibrátor which streams her insides to the Internet and my ping goes up 10 milliseconds and literally nothing happens...
Mercy is at the prime, it's not about the body, also about the soul. She is learnt and in the age you would just simply marry her. I'm against marriage but for her I'd gladly make an exception, she is rally the kind of girl you would just spend your life with. Travel the word, help those in need, build a multinational company and have great evenings by going to the theater and having a good one in the beds afterwards.
How can anyone not like her, she is literally the best. The other intellectual girl you can really like is Symmetra. All the waifus have certain traits that make them sympathical and approachable. But yelling she is old before you experienced what she could do to you in and out of the bed is bad manner, because I assure you she is a really sweet and caring girl who also got quite the looks, so I dunno what's not appealing about her you kek.
>Seriously Blizzard is that much of a kcuc? Come on this "political correctness" is killing the world.
Lovely. Nothing better than seeing racists and bigots in general pulling the "political correctness is killing the world" card.
Can someone explain to me why people are so badondadonkinfuriated over streamers getting beta access easier? Have these people really lived their lives to this point without realizing that important people get things before the average joe?
No, you're just spouting bs to fit in your own personal image of this general, this is not /v/ though.
From what I've seen he's a pretty cool guy, actually very humble about donations/subs and streaming a lot (today 15 hours).
He doesn't want a facecam and overlays, just gameplay and he's pretty good at it.
I know kids like you love to bash successful people on 4chan, especially if reddit likes them, but it's because of people like you nobody takes this place seriously in the first place.
What do you call when someone is banned for one or two offensive words?
Yeah, breach of contract. Yeah, violation of terms.
But those were them retards who designed those terms to be like that.
sub, she lives to serve
Disharmony is the bane of humanity, so she definitely has to be both
Ogol' po gotovushky, dom
Why does she even exist/10
Also what about the guys?
Die. Dominant, obviously
Well I'd say... both? Maybe?
Well after 4hours can't say I like it that much.
I don't really hate it but I don't see myself playing it a lot.
I don't know we'll see how the game goes it's just a beta after all.
how does it feel to be part of an inferior race and/or gender?
does having lower IQ trigger you?
Here's a list of auto-aims in Overwatch.
Soldier 76 ultimate
Winston primary gun
Symmetra primary gun & turrets
Roadhog chain (aim assist)
Here's a list of offensive effects or attacks which aren't auto-aim but you essentially cannot miss with them no matter how bad you are.
Bastion turret gun
Reaper primary guns
Tracer primary gun
Reinhardt primary melee
Zenyatta orb of discord
Winston ultimate swipes
Pharah ultimate rocketswarm
Roadhog primary weapon (both modes)
Additionally, almost every character has a skill that negates all positional mistakes. For example: caught on the ground as the rocketess Pharah? No problem, just press this easy button and you're instantly in the sky, where you're most effective.
Ran yourself into a bad spot as the fragile but swift Tracer? No problem, just press this easy button and you're instantly back where you were before.
Got caught in the open as the close-range slugger Reaper? Just press your invulnerability button and float over to a healthkit. You get this and many other movement tools completely free, there's nothing you give up for them, like sacrificing health with a rocket-jump.
The tools Overwatch gives you to solve problems are contained in a single, brainless button rather than a complex and difficult set of movements and/or offensive measures. The entire game revolves around identifying the correct rock-paper-scissors situation to press your button, then pressing it. There is no serious skill of any kind involved. You're going through the motions of what you think a video game entails.
The miniscule difference between a week-old Overwatch player and a year-old Overwatch player will be lost in the cloud of instakill ultimates, teleports and AOE abilities. This game is transcendentally shit, and there is no escape from it. This is the very profitable future of FPS. Hell. Population: you.
So Mccree is getting a nerf right? He's effective at any range and does more damage than any other class and can stun burst down any squishy at close range. Along with his auto-aim-insta kill ult.
>people needing progression to stay invested in a videogame
Fuck this carrot on a stick bullshit
I had 1k hours in TF2 back when it was just fucking 5 maps and the medic update was just a twinkle in robin walker's eyes.
Neck yourself you stupid nigger, back to reddit
So am I just expected to watch streams until I get in the day before the beta phase ends?
I've been watching some regularly but i'm just bored of the game now.
>Overwatch may be boring and shallow as an FPS game on account of all of the 'canned skill' abilities eliminating the impact of mechanical skill, but as a strategy game it's good! Just look at how many characters there are, and how many abilities! Surely that leads to an intricate and fun strategy metagame.
Makes sense until you consider that Overwatch is trying to pretend it's an FPS game, not a strategy game. Once you realize it, all of the ways in which Overwatch is different from other real time strategy games (the camera, the pace, the lack of resources to fight over) can be taken as flaws.
Let's discuss Overwatch's strategy merit compared to another the-player-controls-one-unit strategy game like DOTA. Each player has ~3 skills and an ultimate, so there's parity there.
But the camera perspective isn't top-down, it's first person. This makes zero sense for a strategy game and actively inhibits the player's ability to get an overall picture of what's going on. The controls also make it impossible for the player to ever control more than one unit, like they sometimes do in DOTA.
There are no map resources to fight over - as a strategy game, the only strategic element is the win condition. You cannot have such a lopsided 'strategy' game ever be interesting by its strategic merit.
Overwatch is shit as either an FPS game or a strategy game.
>get e-mail from blizzard
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>That aside, where can I find best
Pixiv or gelbooru
Don't use western sites (shitty artists) and don't use danbooru (they lock certain images behind a paywall - literally selling images they didn't create)
>tfw no sona tier waifu in overwatch
Fun fact: those mousepads give you carpal tunnel extremely rapidly
The wrist doesn't enjoy being compressed while it's in use. Google it if you like.
The post says that it has too simple mechanics to be a good strategy game either.
You can turn those off, I'm pretty sure, without removing beta notifications. Or so I'm lead to believe.
>ITS DUMB AND I DONT LIKE IT!!!!!
Good argument, little guy.
Mercy - the only character that is basically required on every single comp
I can safely say that the "tanks" in this game are just super good. Roadhog, Winston, and Reinhardt are basically necessary for any sort of pushes. Bastion is just a better Tjorborn until they make it so you can get scrap some other way than killed enemies. Pharah+Mercy is an all-around team core that can do massive damage while also being hard to chase. Widowmaker+Mercy is an absolutely insane defensive core.
Symmetra really suffers from her teleport being her ultimate which takes so long to get back when destroyed. Junkrat, Hanzo, and Reaper just suffer from being outclassed by other classes, though Reaper does help with pushes against Bastion. Zenyatta's ult is great but hes just too squishy, he's Borderline B.
>mcree below reinhardt
>hanzo lower than widowmaker
>50% higher damage per second
>higher damage per shot
>projectiles instead of hitscan
>wallhack ultimate is a non-ultimate ability with 60% uptime rather than widowmaker's max 30% uptime wallhack
>wallclimb is a non-ability with no cooldown compared to widowmaker's 8s cooldown hook
>higher movement speed than widowmaker
The only context in which widowmaker comes close to being as good is if you have over 100 ping. On LAN it's not even close, Hanzo is utterly better in all ways.
Oh and Tracer is B... I think. She's probably the hardest for me to grasp and a character that only improves once people figure out the maps better. I know the Blizz devs run a Winston+Tracer combo that is annoying as fuck.
>fps games can't be strategy games
Are you telling me that you just take a position during a game without thinking of what the enemy is doing and how to respond?
And no, who in the fuck is saying Overwatch is an RTS? Like I see that you're arguing that it isn't and its casualized gameplay would make it impossible, and I get that, but no shit it's not an RTS. And what's to say RTS games are the only strategy games?
TF2 has a great deal of strategy in it and there's no real "resources" to fight over.
Tl;dr what the fuck are you on about.
You have incredibly bad reading skills. Here is my point, distilled for your special brain:
- Overwatch when taken as an FPS game is casual and the impact of mechanical skill is extremely low.
- When you point this out, people say "But wait, there's strategic skill that makes up for that." So they are saying that Overwatch should be taken as a strategy game, not an FPS game.
- As a strategy game, Overwatch is extremely simplistic and equally shit on account of the camera perspective and the lack of resource objectives.
Seems like i got food for the entire week
Hitscan is objectively inferior to fast projectiles, especially for defensive play, because you can fire from angles which do not allow you to be damaged. Shoot at the space where an enemy will soon occupy and then move out of the way - they will be damaged and there will be no way for them to damage you with hitscan (because there's no line-of-sight to you) or with projectiles (because you aren't moving toward them.)
If you watch high-level quake gameplay, railgun and lightning gun players like Toxx get completely assraped by people with good rocket skills. This is why. Projectiles are superior at high skill levels. Also are better on LAN.
why are you trying to divide it to two different categories, it's a strategical FPS. there's some mechanical skill involved with strategical thinking and decisions. some stuff that is lost (for example, the limited vision it being a FPS) brings up some other types of challenges and skills that you can use to win games (for example you need to communicate your positions effectively because you cant always see your friends)
i think your point about lack of resource objectives might be something to discuss though
Willing to bet they'll MOBA it and only have 1 character for each role available for free at the start, forcing you to buy the others.
Then they'll release skins and/or hats and paints and all that trash a year later.
Also expecting a leveling system that at minimum buffs stats over all as you "progress"
honestly you post the same image with the same filename and every time you post the most retarded shit.
>I was just pretending to be retarded, got you guys good
>why are you trying to divide it to two different categories, it's a strategical FPS
So you can see how both the strategy side and the FPS side are extremely shallow and unexciting. There's nothing skill-based about the game.
So this is coming from the "aim is everything" attitude regarding FPS? There are characters that heavily reward aim. But anyway, your arguments.
>Each player has ~3 skills and an ultimate, so there's parity there.
Overwatch characters have about the same parity as dota. Main fire, perhaps an alt fire, 2 abilities, one of which may be a mobility abilitiy, and an Ult. There is a bit of shifting around but every character does about 5 things.
>But the camera perspective isn't top-down, it's first person. This makes zero sense for a strategy game and actively inhibits the player's ability to get an overall picture of what's going on.
The maps and gameplay are designed around not getting an "overall picture". Flanks and chokes are designed with the perspective in mind. Some character have abilities, movement or otherwise to give them a better picture and that's taken into account for character balance. There is no need for FoW and a vision game because your physical vision IS the FoW. Good team VOIP is also a solution to this. Plus if, as you've noted players control one unit the camera perspective works just fine.
>the controls also make it impossible for the player to ever control more than one unit, like they sometimes do in DOTA.
No big deal. You could erase all the multi-unit heroes from Dota and it would still be a great game. Further, heroes with automated secondary units are perfectly viable and you already have a venomancer style mini-turret hero. You could easily include automated mobile units as well.
well considering it's his twitter username, his twitch name, the name of his website, yes I would say it's his "actual username" for other things.
who honestly gets upset about this shit.
You can fire a Hanzo arrow and move around a pillar before the enemy you're aiming for comes into line-of-sight with you. This is literally the only thing that matters.
Quake walk speed is not significantly higher than Overwatch and rocket corner evasions are almost always done with simple ground ADAD.
>ur a retard, let me tell you my argument again retard
Hey fuck you too, man. Now that I read, you basically made a blog post
You came up with an argument, gave an expected rebuttal, provided another argument, and came to the conclusion that overwatch is a casualized fps that people sometimes sell off for a strategy game.
>do you honestly believe there is "nothing skill-based"?
Hanzo, Widowmaker, Mcree are skillbased but their impact is low compared to the non-skill-based classes. Respawn time is like five seconds and dying charges your ultimate by about 20-30%. One Zarya mindlessly feeding into the enemy team until her ultimate is charged, then sitting above her capture point and dropping the ultimate in the middle when the enemy comes, makes the game unwinnable for the enemy team even though there's nothing skill-related about what she's done.
>There are no map resources to fight over - as a strategy game, the only strategic element is the win condition.
Right the objective is the objective. The "Resource" you gain is actually the advancement of the payload or progress of the control point. Remember that there are hard checkpoints at each third on control points. And this objective changes naturally over the course of the game. "Gold" in arts/mobas is used as a way to convert incremental advantages (like hero kills) into long term advantages for taking objectives. This is very important when the map is design with a strong defenders advantage at the end. Overwatch has you convery incremental advantage (kills and respaen time) in to long term advantage (objective progress) but given the faster pace and lower defender's advantage the stat based inevitability of a gold resource isn't necessary.
The take away here is that it's a Hybrid. If you look at is purely as an FPS or a Stragetgy game, yes you'll think it's simple. But it's bringing together elements of both and must consider both at the same time. Perhaps they have already lost some essential element that dooms the design to failure, but early feedback doesn't seem to bear that out. In fact I think Overwatch has smartly chosen what to keep and what to ditch from the different genres. Battleborn seems much more slavish and suffers for it.
>Hanzo, Widowmaker, Mcree are skillbased but their impact is low compared to the non-skill-based classes
jesus fuck you are stupid as shit and haven't been paying attention have you?
>The maps and gameplay are designed around not getting an "overall picture". Flanks and chokes are designed with the perspective in mind.
Great. Explain why don't RTS or MOBA games do this?
>The "Resource" you gain is actually the advancement of the payload or progress of the control point.
This is not what a resource is. You use a resource to accomplish some goal - in an RTS game it would be to make more units or structures, or in an action RTS/MOBA it would be to buy more items. This is what a resource means. When you destroy the enemy barracks you don't call that a 'resource' because it furthers your team's goals.
Widowmaker, and McCree are considered the strongest heroes in the game at high level along with Mercy. Hanzo is considered strong as well but no one is really good with him yet because his skillcap is even higher since he's an aim based non-hitscan character.
Accept that you're living in the center of hyperbole on the internet and attack the points made.
>Widowmaker, and McCree are considered the strongest heroes in the game at high level along with Mercy
Only by retards who are not actually in the game. I am playing Overwatch right now. I'm sitting at ~95% winrate from telling my team to pick shield heroes and I pick Zarya and we go sit on the cart or point and the enemy can not do anything. This is how the game works. The low-skill heroes are the strongest ones. They would not add low-skill heroes if the high-skill heroes could just auto-win against them - that would upset their twelve year old audience.
RTS and MOBA games do not restrict your vision to 90 degrees of map because it is an inferior camera choice for a strategy game and only makes sense when aim is the operant skill-factor.
no a mercy on a mcree or widow maker is how the absolute best players at the game play right now
in the dev v quake/tf2 'pro' players
you don't find them strong because you're playing with shitters
Because of the god perspective. They have to simulate it with Fog of War.
No that's what I meant. I shorthanded it to gold, which then buy you items. I'm mostly comparing this a arts/mobas not RTS. Ultimately when you look at what those resources actually DO, they help you convert small advantages into larger advantages. Overwatch obviously simplifies this greatly because heroes themselves do no change in power.
>this literally who gaymer grrl streamer got into the beta over you
>no a mercy on a mcree or widow maker is how the absolute best players at the game play right now
The best players in Overwatch are the ones who win the most. The ones who win the most are the ones fielding shield/zarya comps. If you actually watch the streams you're talking about you'll find that the devs do this roughly 75% of the time against an enemy that is actually challenging them and they automatically win when they do it.
i don't understand your point
having imperfect information or a less than optimal PoV doesn't do effect jack shit about whether or not a game requires strategy
it is entirely possible for a FPS to have a significant strategy element to it and you've gotta be pretty dumb to honestly believe otherwise
>having imperfect information or a less than optimal PoV doesn't do effect jack shit about whether or not a game requires strategy
Then why are strategy games top-down instead of first person? Virtually 100% of them. Explain.
Usually it's because one player controls an entire side of a conflict. arts/mobas are the main exception to this and that's understandable because they grew out of a WC3 mod. Smite shows the camera perspective is not essential to the genre.
>still no beta invite
>people won't stop sexualizing my waifu
not him but strategy is a loaded term, and i wouldn't use it to describe any fps. instead i describe overwatch as highly tactical; ult timings and team-based map control are very important and will triumph over a team that just has a bunch of high MMR aimbot autists
>Why MOBAs have fog of war when it's an inferior choice for a strategy game
This is how retarded you sound. The strategy aspect from a limited view/info is how you acquire the view/info that you lack and how you play around it, you fucking mongoloid.
Your point would only be valid if MOBAS and strategy game had 100% view of the game. Now that we've gone through that, all that remain is you bitching that 70% of the total game info is better than X% of the total game info displayed at your screen.
Strategy is constantly applied in 6s TF2. In that context, I'd say TF2 is, in part, a strategy game.
I'm not saying Overwatch is any kind of game, as I haven't played it. I'm just here for the butts, but actually who is saying overwatch is a good dedicated strategy game?
>retard arguing about how overwatch is a bad RTS game
Is this the same guy who said Lucio's character design was blizzard peddling marijuana use? It wouldn't surprise me.
He's making pretty good points honestly and i've never seen anyone talk about overwatch's design beyond it being casual before, seems like this gets more to the root of the issue with the strategy vs fps thing
they are not all going for top down tho
there are games like smite you know
also most developers obviously stick to that style because they want to be more approachable for people who have got bored of another moba and are potentially switching games
Tracer (Assuming skill)
How the fuck to I play this retarded hero tier
Balance is actually pretty great for a beta game from Blizzard. I think every hero barring tracer in the S tier needs to be nerfed slightly. Tracer is such a high skillcap hero that it's difficult to balance her.
smite is decently popular game
just because it's not as big as giants like LoL or Dota 2 doesn't mean it's small
your own argumentation is weak as hell and you probably realize it aswell
>a game like CS:GO already has plenty of strategy, a game like TF2 has strategy, adding abilities to an FPS doesn't take away potential strategy
Just because they have strategy doesn't mean they have enough strategy to compete with real strategy games by their strategic merits. Those games survive because they are good as FPS, which Overwatch is not.
Overwatch is a hybrid. Most of the criticisms seems to come from the extremes of FPS and Strategy sides complaining that it isn't pure FPS or pure strategy.
A lot of the strategy in the game is, I think, adapting your team comp to the map, map position, and opposing team on the fly. I'm very interested to see how this evolves as they add more heroes.
only two mobas have ever been super popular, dota 2 and lol, the sequal to the mod and the "rip off" of the mod, the smite is close to the third and it's pretty clear that smites different pov makes the strategy in that game different but also interesting
>they have strategy doesn't mean they have enough strategy to compete with real strategy games by their strategic merits
maybe if I say strategy enough times, they'll believe me!
>TFW will probably still be playing videogames at 34
>Will have a hobby aimed at 10-21 kids and discuss videogames with these kids (already am with people that are usually 10 years younger than me)
I wish i was born before videogames.
are you the guy that thinks the best way to play is to stack shields
if that's the case you have no room to be talking about strategy instead of getting good
also OW is a good FPS at the least
you seem to assume that shifty focus from "aim only" to strategy is going to somehow make them both weaker, but in reality it seems to be that combined they are greater than the sum of their parts
No, it's pretty stupid.
>the strategy vs fps argument
You mean the one that I've never fucking heard of until this anon just brought it up earlier in the thread?
People who say "b-but muh strategy" have a valid point in that some thinking is necessary to win against a coordinated team.
And nobody is denying it's casualized, but the anon arguing against it is literally saying "overwatch is a shitty game when compared to any good RTS game"
I'd like proof of "the people" who say that overwatch works as a strategy game, not taking into consideration any other aspect of the game.
Facts don't expire like old food. They are true no matter how old they are or how many times they are stated.
Overwatch's FPS side is extremely casual - even the game's supporters admit this, and instead try to argue that its strategic elements aren't casual. I'm making the argument, successfully, that they are.
Mercy is meh in skirm games. In actual ranked gameplay where people actually talk to each other, she is nuts, but at this stage in the beta where people don't have enough friends playing the game to do stacked games I don't think she is too bad.
I have run into a few dumb comps like her and Roadhog just chillin and takin shots.
McCree is alright, but his ststained is meh compared to heroes like Reaper and Soldier.
McCree is literally overpowered. Go to any ex tf2 player or quake player stream and they will tell you 100% McCree and widow are the strongest in the game. and with a mercy damage boost McCree can stun->right click any character in the game.
Why is /owg/ so insecure about its shit game that the entire general froths itself into an autistic rage any time it is criticized?
If you go into /lolg/ and call the game casual shit people will go 'yeah we know, now fuck off' and you won't get any more replies. If you go here and do that, 100% of the thread becomes about frantically trying to prove you wrong.
>Go to any ex tf2 player or quake player stream and they will tell you 100% McCree and widow are the strongest in the game
A pointless test because ex-TF2 and quake players are losing to the dev stacks that employ shield lineups. If Mccree and Widow are the strongest heroes, why do they lose to shield spam and Zarya ultimate?
Will you be able to remove this critical text clutter on the low hp indicator for healers? It's very unnecessary.
the devs run boosted mccrees and widowmakers just like the pros
the pros LITERALLY copied the devs, if the devs actually ran these "shield comps" and won then so would the pros
but they don't, because the devs don't, because your a lying idiot
afaik they don't rate widowmaker THAT highly. like they recognise she is good but nowhere near mccree tier
it's more the shitters crying about widowmaker
seagull actually said that pink haired tumblr class is super good
>In actual ranked gameplay where people actually talk to each other, she is nuts,
well thats the thing, tiers are usually based on potential play/optimal play, not run of the mill pubs.
>why are you even here then
Someone has to counteract Blizzard's incredibly manipulative marketing scheme. The world needs to know how shitty Overwatch is, and as an intelligent person with beta access and no stream for Blizzard to monitor, I'm a prime candidate.
If I tell the world how shit Blizzard's games are, nothing happens. If a streamer does, they get denied future beta access and Blizzard won't give them expensive plane tickets to their office and let them tour it and give them hundreds of dollars in Blizzard merchandise - like they did to TF2 youtubers.
Zarya is really strong. almost featured in every single game. but seagull and pure were just saying today that widow was overpowered. damage boosted she 1 shot body shots every non-tank. and he re-charge time on shots is silly.
yeah the thing about mccree is that he has no weaknesses
there are specific situations where some other class might be slightly better at killing people but mccree is never bad, not even mediocre, he is always at the very least good. most of the time too good.
>people say it works as a strategy game
Proof? Like I've never seen someone say
>overwatch is a dedicated strategy game
That's what you're rating it on, so who says that, anon?
To elaborate, I have seen people say "it makes up for it with strategy," but I feel like you're making shit up.
Your premise is flawed because you're piecemeal analyzing elements of the game in isolation. That's the issue I have. Yes Overwatch IS a more casual FPS than CSGO and it IS, of course, much simpler strategically than something like Starcraft. That's true. But it's a combination of both elements. It's a notch down on FPS and a notch up on strategy from TF2. Unless you look at the game as a whole you aren't actually criticizing the game.
No one argues Starcraft is shit because it's not as deep strategically as Hearts of Iron.
Sure they will. There's a reason companies try to quell negative publicity. There are 80 of you in this thread right now. I'm not convincing you to completely swear off the game - that would be impossible in this short of a time.
I am, however, planting the seeds of truth in your simian skulls. As you play Overwatch you will spot the things that I'm saying ingame. This will make your choice to quit Overwatch come much quicker.
I'm not the hero you deserve, but I'm the one you're getting, you fags.
>important FPS skills (movement, aim, timing) are shoved into easy 1-press buttons
press wasd to move
click rmb to shoot
wait for pickup
arguing that one fps is more casual than others is like manlets comparing heights
Have you ever heard someone say 'Yes overwatch doesn't require mechanical skill' and then go on to say stuff like 'yeah well the positioning and etc etc'? What they're trying to say, but can't find the words for, is 'Overwatch is a casual FPS but a deep strategy game.'
By the way, that's ANOTHER way in which Overwatch is a casual, shit strategy game: the positioning requires no talent. You just press a button and your unit is where it needs to be. Wanna be above the enemy as the rocket character? Sure, just press this! Wanna be out of danger as the glass cannon? Press your rewind! Etc.
When things are casual, the competition shifts into the tiny advantages.
See: swimming, running
The top autists on those sports will have a 20s time while the 2nd and 3rd place autists will have a 20,5s to 21s time. Surely the 2nd and 3rd place autists will come out on top every once in a while, but in the end even on those casual sports the top swimmer and the top runner will consistently win more than the others because he has more skill.
You esports cùcks tunnel vision too hard on muh skill ceiling. Most of the pro kids on these game don't even have a rigid training schedule nor efficient and scientifically proven training methods, they don't eat food that enhances the brain performance, etc. There may be money into esports, but there is simply not enough competition so muh skill ceiling can be reached. Just compare sports 50 years ago to now, how much researchs and science pushed the ceiling even further. This is something that esports can only hope to achieve, so fuck off, your Quake or BW kids aren't that special.
1. overwatch does require mechanical skill, less than other FPSs in situations tho
2. people say that the difficulty of the game comes from both having SOME of the mechanical requirements of an FPS in ADDITION to strategy elements other FPSs do not have
3. what do i press if i want to change position as symetra?
Does it bother you to see someone who isn't ashamed of their superiority? Hurts your feelings to see someone with dignity, who isn't afraid to talk about how great they are? Doesn't worry about how it might affect the not-great people?
Fun fact: the reasons why societies invented the humility meme and the reason why Overwatch doesn't let you see a killfeed or your teammates' score are identical. The jews don't want shitty, unremarkable people being made to feel inferior by amazing ones.
This is all part of living in a society which exists outside the context of evolution. When the genetically fit are no longer the ones producing the most babies, lots of unremarkable people will be born. These unremarkable people must be made to feel as if they are remarkable or else they will riot against the perceived 'master race' of people better than them.
Expect more of this as genetic mediocrity grows.
>have you ever heard
No, and that's not proof that people have said that, either. I refuse to argue with someone who pulls shit out of their ass and tries to sell it as something that isn't shit.
I don't really care either way and he's a retard but is it possible that Blizzard purposefully arranged with sodapoppin to have a high viewer streamer NOT get invited to the beta as a martyr so the plebs can go "But looook, this streamer didn't get in. Blizzard aren't view whoring the beta as an advertisement after all!".
Either that or sodapoppin literally raped and murdered a Blizzard employee because even 100 viewer streamers got flagged.
No it doesn't bother me. It's honestly hilarious. Particularly since your supposedly massive intellect would choose this hill on this website to plant your flag.
D e s u
S e n p a i
It's all going downhill.
It always has been, /owg/.
>Intelligent people can't know they're intelligent
Nice one. Who's Nikola Tesla? Who's Einstein? Who's the other countless number of scientists who didn't give a shit about public relations, and realized that intellectual humility is just willful inaccuracy for the sake of the unintelligent if you really are smart?
no im trying to save you from jewzzard
any strategy that you might think is in this game doesn't actually exist, only peddled by blizz devs trying to falsely showcase "comps" when any idiot can spam their abilities and win games
i mean yea, the knew they were geniuses, being humble doesn't mean you deny being what you clearly are
but neither of them would sperg out like mr "plant the seeds of truth in your simian skulls" over here
desu senpai some of what he's saying is true. the game's strategy is honestly not exciting right now, you either play damage amp'd mcree or spam winstons
however these are balance issues and its as simple as adjusting numbers to fix them, they could be fixed tomorrow. plus they could add resources to the map, like have miniature capture points that give you +10% speed or 5 hp/s health regen or enhanced ultimate % generation
>admitting one's self is a genius after doing some smart shit
>blowing down someone's door, calling them retarded, then calling one's self a genius
>after getting too serious about a video game
>being humble doesn't mean you deny being what you clearly are
That's what the modern definition of 'humble' is. How many times have you seen people on camera try to downplay their skills or abilities? How many talkshow guests squeamishly shying away from the subject of their talents? Making jokes about how they're not good?
>not giving Pharah blue eyes
Why does Blizzard hate perfection?
>however these are balance issues and its as simple as adjusting numbers to fix them, they could be fixed tomorrow. plus they could add resources to the map
Of course you can do things to fix a shit game. That doesn't mean it will happen. Overwatch got how it is for a reason, and unless the designers are fired they will continue to systematically make the same mistakes they have thus far.
>plus they could add resources to the map, like have miniature capture points that give you +10% speed or 5 hp/s health regen or enhanced ultimate % generation
Gigantic, a third-person over the shoulder MOBA, has this
That game is pretty unfun by the way, don't bother with it
i think it does, stuff like mercys getting PoGs from just healing happens rarely
i think that weight of an elimination is just skewed in how much it's worth in whatever algorithm they use
I feel like it is heat, actually.
Zenyatta ults do make it in sometimes, and those, by definition, have little/no eliminations.
But eliminations do generate up to 100 a pop, so I get where you're coming from.
D'Va seems to be a mech pilot from the Hanamura shot and so may or may not have a mech in game. Also Mei has a pet, but that may not factor into her gameplay.
Some people speculate the ice climber looking person here might be Mei.
is there a way to get beta access for plebs? i read some reddit shitter spammed his battletag everywhere and got in...
my friend is so desperate that he asked me if i have key 3 times already.
there was a huge backlash when they gave them out to about 100 redditors who were crying
only way to get in now is to either be lucky or be famous and tweet at them
>Got the invite today while still at work and have to make a trip tomorrow.
Still it's going to be one hell of a weekend, have a sux vidya card but Blizzard it's good making its games run on toasters
Split side dress lady is D.Va, possibly before a redesign.
Look at the ear antenna things.
>One email from Blizzard
>Don't get my hopes up knowing I've not gotten virtual ticket email spam yet
>Go to poop with phone
>Email alert on phone
>From: Blizzard Entertainment
I purchased a virtual ticket the day they were announced
Now you guys know why it's called OverWatch instead of OverPlay