/ssg/ - Soccer Spirits General #85
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So if I have a Nerua with 1 superb, break her into two neruas, and recall the copy, I'll get 1600 GP?
Seems worth to me, Nerua doesn't do much aside from be a totem, and she already has all the good ones active with just super training.
the coat makes it look like her leg got fucked up in the thumbnail, but otherwise nothing's really off about it
IC passer + kevin/jewnose, nari with provoke, active healers, beth, etc.
of all the times i've seen that backline, no one has truly invested in it, so most players are low superbed or ronald dies in one shot from any competent striker
Have a lot of damage and reflex so the entire line suicides on whoever's holding the ball
Use action bar recovery from other places or have self-recoveries like Nari and
Have a speedy assist who outspeeds them all anyway like Nera or have speed buffs from other sources (positional buff helps a lot)
It's unnecessary. With just Metatron and Virgil, any of their units would become one-shotable by pretty much anyone.
Just put Metatron Mid and use Hildegard to fuck their action bar or Malcolm to fuck their Spirit Bar up.
>no one has truly invested in it
This guys is, pretty sure Lia and Alice are the only non fully superbed units on his team.
I've been stuck at 2150 for a week now and ran into him twice
>Ravian + health-decreasing backlines
What's the point, you're even weaker against 1HP battles and it still does nothing to stop Attacker-Defender mids from going about their business
Ah, there's the loss I was expecting. Thanks for the -9 monothunder cancerous shitfucks.
Sharr pls go.
>no reflexes in mid
>Bell in a 3-man botlane
>Literally no crit resist or DR GK
I get just as mad at the mono-Thunder cancer, but that's a shit Thunder team because the mid is pretty crap. The 4-man mids of Lynia-Bell-Veronica-Cynthia are way worse.
And while you won't counter Luka, you can easily penetrate through Guin after the Leventor shot, use a IC unit like Anael/Virgil yourself.
>no one really noticed her glasses were removed in the last OP
Suggestions on who to get next? I probably should get rid of Shu for pvp right? I was going Light/Ardor, but Uriel sucks and Ravian is
bae. I have Jeunese in my scout right now and 3.2k gp.
On the bench I only have
Thats just destroying all strategies that aren't based on crits or reflex. There needs to be a balance between nerfing stuff that is unfun and brokenly overpowered like metabeth and leaving room for a variety of compositions.
>make buffs multiplicative
this is ridiculous, you would have 8k hp jins and 3k reflex everywhere. If they wanted to bring debuffs up to par with buffs they could make them apply to the total after the opponents buffs are taken into account but they would have to rebalance all the debuffs.
Meta is strong but not domineering, Beth is literally 0 spirit to make it so you always get a free shot on their goalie and block the first shot on your goalie by killing whoever has the ball when it hits the line from 3 steal attempts.
That's what Im doing since I only have them both at one superb and I dont have any SHoTs to go around, too busy trying to scrounge up a Terranox for blade so I can give away her SHoT. I dont have bell and my jury isnt even 3spu so my midlane is alot worse off than it could be.
I'm actually so retarded.
I was was only rerolling the first drop you get in the tutorial and not using my crystals afterwards.
I couldn't understand why I was only getting 4 stars. Took me over 60 rerolls to even figure it out.
JuryBeth won't be all that great because there's no synergy
You see MetaBeth or Beth in speed buffed 4mids because you need to make an effort to give her a turn, or else you're gonna have a case where Beth never actually gets a turn while people are getting killed left and right and the ball's going front and back repeatedly
Meta solves this problem because she's *probably* going to get her turn if her line's action bar is generally more full than the opposite's
>Littre: 1 superb for anything
>1600gp: 1 superb for anything that's not S2 or a legendary, but only if it happens to show up in scouts
If the second sounds better to you, then go for it.
>Nerua with 5 superbs
>Dismantle with Rainbow elemental
>Keep a copy of Nerua
>Recall Nerua with 4 superbs
>Sho Sho MK2 4 superbs + 1600 GP
>Enjoy to switch striker
I see no problem here
>save 2000 crystals because I only need the legendaries at this point
>Miho is announced
>she sounds perfect for my team
>roll a whole lot of nothing (and Vivid)
>start saving more gems to roll again while Miho is featured
>use my free roll today
Guess I'm not getting any legendaries anytime soon.
Blogposting aside, can she take Nerua's place in this comp? Or should I move Kiki to the front instead? I got most of the non frontline totems, but since none of them are WW, I'm not quite sure what's the best choice.
He won't care if he crits.
If people uses shit Leventors without SHoT and whatever else whale's uses on him, then he'll be really weak.
Good I'm a bronzie so I don't have to deal with that.
Because she was nerfed and I can refund her to feed the Sho Sho to someone else. That said, it seems like she's still pretty good, so it's just another option I considered.
He's not ST'd exactly because he's the weakest link on my team, yeah. He's there mostly because I might transition into WW-Dark, using Baltheon and all.
Does Vonchi's active stack reset when he die?
Or does he get to keep his stack the whole game?
At this point he seem like a no time limit Kirin without Brainwave rebuff
Should I really change my striker and run the bottom team pic related? Of course I will improve some Players like Sammy.
Or is it better to bench Kiki and invest in Raklet Totem for more CR?
I don't know if anyone's mentioned/put a reminder yet but pen works on totem-based elemental damage reductions
100 pen basically makes Magnus worth 15% damage reduction instead of 30
anon don't be silly, I could go 1/0/0/5 with 300 dribble and still hit 100 pen on LukaLev
The important part here is that Magnus does much less against Lev than it would against Sharr
yeah, I usually move her to the side so she wont attack jury/meta or pass cause of a 4 man mid right at the start
she takes out most people in 2-3 hits and gets those 2-3 before the enemy gets a turn unless they have an IC mid
I have some questions
1. Anyone who has seen and/or fought against a top quality mono Ardor deck? Do you have screen shots or maybe tell me about its formation.
2. I want my Noa to reach max potential but I want to check what /ssg/ thinks about my approach. I currently use Red Receive Pass, Teranox Blood, and Blue Receive Pass. Noa's passer is Nari with Yuri(sometimes switch for Ari due to suicidal tendencies) for more pass effect. Please give me your idea.
she's doomed to fail and so are you if you continue to use her. it's literally canon
My nerua's got two superbs. She doesn't do much in the backline except for very rarely reflex steal, but she only has like 1200 reflexes so those are more bs than anything on her part.
Should I just get 1600 gp out of her or a superb to toss somewhere else? I could max out isillia instead of waiting for my next scout for her.
Well, I wouldn't be replacing her but maxing isillia now is tempting.
That said I don't need to scout any other superbs for my team besides her either. Was thinking about scouting silks or something and start working on waifus.
Or start scouting Sharrs
I run Teranox with my Vonchi, for the reason that WoM resetting hurt much more than Teranox AP buff resetting.
For Vonchi to hit good crit rate with Teranox, you need either Milky front for her active buff or have excellent ghost stats + a crit totem (like Luka, who have both 20% crit and 20% AS, that also gives about 4% crit).
I'm running Teranox Blood/Light Crit/Light Dribble/Icecore Prism.
With 26% crit from ghost stats.
Pic is my Vonchi's stat using only his active, no pass of any kind in a Baltheon/Luka line.
my Milky starts well over 2k reflexes and just goes higher so she'll usually steal, after one attack she wont attack again unless she does a lot of damage, which she doesnt to Jury, so it doesnt really matter
>Miho's base reflex is 650 after maxing out
She has the lowest reflex in my entire team besides my striker
It's almost distressing
What's her as? My main issue with her is that her as looks like it's going to be abysmal even after investment.
I only have her evolved level 50 right now and she's like 47 as I think.
If you think it's worth it. At least for me who barely take my time to do chains, I wouldn't as I could scout some superb for Magnus ( need 2 more ) and Isillia so I could bench my BT.
I've spent at least 3-4million. At this point I'd rather just buy her and get it over with and save gold for stones.
And since the only thing dstones are going to get me at this point are uniques, why not just get Isillia now guaranteed instead of wasting an unknown amount of gold trying to scout her?
Here's my current team. Someone stop me from scouting Isillia and MSPUing her. I feel like my Zibroi is made of paper.
BEST UTILITY PLAYER
>Only want Meta/Beth/Bell
I have Meta/Beth/Bell and they are not enough anon. 2/3 of them are Leader aren't enough to carry you in end game. You should at least go for a Shu for Pve and Duke or Jin for PvP. I would say that all of Season 1 Legendary are necessary except for William. Even Leventor can be used as a ball holder in other line
How fucking whalemode is endgame pvp when you say that meta/beth/bell is not enough on a team, jesus christ. You're telling me that building a team with those 3 players is not enough in end game and you need even MORE legendaries to compete with other people at that level?
Shit's fucked, yo.
If I wanted to just run mono legendary I would focus on that. I don't.
I don't want Jin, nor do I need him. I don't want duke, and I don't need Shu.
MetaBeth is plenty. Bell I would just want because she's cute.
Waifus only on my starting team, and that's why I'm buying Isillia.
a good midline isn't gonna do as much as a good backline/frontline in colo especially
>Duke is meh
are you using reflex stones on him? he can easily reach 2k+ reflexes and have enough to steal from others
he's the best attacker for a reason
Hild is a good unit but when you're going up against the Beth/Meta/Duke whale line not having that reflex totem is huge.
Dukes reflex totem makes him by far the best attacker in the game, he's a Mikael who can do Hild damage.
>According to SSG Hiro have trouble to land crits in end game
Bronzies, will they ever learn?
>posting an image from months ago
>5 WoM stacks
nice try shitposter-kun
for the backline, Shu cause he can infinite
mid would be Bell or Duke
if I had a Bell I could say who's better from the two but sadly I dont
Well I'm currently using Beth Meta Lia(With IC) and Hilde mid with Cynthia somewhere in back line
At first I was using Duke for maximum Reflex but after awhile no matter how much reflex/rebuff I stack I rarely ever reflex steal.
Then after I try switch him for Hilde for action bar fuckery mid somehow it just work. Especially if we start with the ball.
I still use Duke for PVE tho
Isilla is not gonna help you in endgame. She s good but not enough. Duke, Jin, Khirel, Leventor, Shu all have their role and they perform much better than their 5* counterpart. When you reach the endgame, there are only whales; so you have to be one yourself. I am trying to buy Duke so I can get of this Diamond Hell
Last I heard shu wasn't as good as he used to be for colo. Is he still worth it?
Unsure about Beth/Bell because they won't benefit from my Aslan.
How's Khirel considered in PvE?
>Last I heard shu wasn't as good as he used to be for colo.
I dont know where you heard that but nothing changed after the 100% nerf, but he can still infinite
he's still a colo god
Most 12k+TA teams should get in Champs
11KTA teams that only have one or two things great should get there too
10k waifu team with nothing to it asking to get in Champs is just selfish
Should I be doing this?
The only players I have hypermaxed are Isilla and Ravian so hypermaxing two players at this point still means a lot to me, but I should hypermax Sharr and Nari right?
Why is Khirel's reflex so shit?
Why doesn't he have a dark stone slot?
Why is CAR only available on dark stones?
Fuck I really want to take him off the bench, but he's literally only a totem.
Bell is my only legendary. I'm at 815/900 for a new legendary.
Do you think I should go mono thunder and grab leventor? Or grab something else?
Yes. Thunder is already the best mono. What are you waiting for?
but prepare for the rise of WW
She'll never get an EE, but if she does, she'll be just as bad as Sharr if not worse because. They both have Specialized Shoots, so if she gets EE that might get upgraded, so she'll end up being immune to Jin and The terror of all light gks worse than Godventor ever was.
I didn't say she wasn't. I said he chose that cancer, he can stay that cancer. At least sharrfags like sharr as a waifu, while ravian fags just want the easy wins.
anyone that switches between cancer strikers is the worst kind of cancer after mono thunder
but prepare for the rise of WW
>implying its not gonna be ardor
just watch that ardor player that reduces elemental damage be better than Nerua
You're only saying that because your cancer striker is viable. If you weren't able to clear shit with her because every fucking boss nowadays gets a 50% heal slapped on them you'd be talking differently.
anon do you know how shit she was before her buffs?
if I cant clear a boss cause of the heal, I'll think of another way to do it, or just drop a ton of crystals if I like the boss rather than whining in this thread
You're also implying she would be dead after a nerf. None of the players nerfed so far have been nerfed to the point of unusable or shit tier.
Elaine got harsher punishment than I've almost ever seen in a nerf in any game I've played, yet she's still pretty good.
What are the Clon Ds from the current boss for? Literally nothing? What is this boss even for? Is he even a boss?
Also how good are the current rivals? I was superbing the pool look since I'm still working on a mono thunder team but her skills don't really look useful.
>implying Sharr can one shot the GK
I dont have Balth or anything but with just a BD I had to knock out the defender like everyone else, and even then I need to do 20+ battles before I could one shot the GK
why am I replying to you
I'm sorry anon
I was almost worried when your Sage got an active pass, but Duke countered him like every other attacker
She's much better than a lot of other strikers though
>When your butt crits nute for 300
You don't deserve her you faggot.
Beatrice isn't a bad striker, it's just that she requires more investment than Sharr to reach about the same result. With SHoT + 4 person front for guaranteeing crits + IC Nari/Luka + Nera somewhere else in the team, she becomes great.
Not understanding your point.
Sharr is "op", so she'd still be decent after nerf. You just agreed with me.
Heal nerf wasn't a direct nerf to anyone either.
The only way they nerf Sharr is via nerfing Specialized Shoots, which would still be good after nerf.
>Heal nerf wasn't a direct nerf to anyone either.
He didn't say it directly nerfed anyone you mongoloid. He said it made things go from decent to shit tier, and that's precisely true.
What? I said no one nerfed so far, as in specific player nerfs: Milky, Elaine, Nerua, Magnus (not really a nerf, but still).
All of them are still relatively good. So there is no reason to believe that even if Sharr gets nerfed she won't be at least good, which brings us back to the point that this whole debate about her getting nerfed and all the sharrfags/waifufags being mad she is shit is pointless.
No one one shot that gk if they didn't have a significantly powerful setup. It doesn't matter what your team is if you don't have mats/uniques to back it up. Quit being a retard.
My point was his point is irrelevant because that wasn't a nerf to a specific player. It was a nerf to a game mechanic you fucktard.
Heal nerf may as well have been a targeted nerf that brought Godbroi down to the saddest little GK that he is now. No one else particularly mattered to cause the change except the potential Lucian EE.
Can someone explain to me how CAR works?
I know only ever have a 60% chance to be stolen from and that 60% chance is dependent on reflex comparisons.
So does it work like, I have 500 reflex, you have 1000. Because your reflex is double mine you have a 60% chance to steal. But I also have 60% CAR so that cancels out the 60% chance to steal and you cant steal from me.
Is that right or no?
It doesn't matter what it basically was, the point of this discussion is what it is. Anything else is irrelevant, and bringing those points in just derails things into pointless shitflinging like what just happened.
I don't care about your semantics, it was a mechanic nerf, not a player nerf, completely different from what would happen to Sharr based on the trends of the recall system.
I Finally found Vitos in scout.
Considering my team, I was really interesting in him.
1) Worth it?
2) Best line for him? Vitos-Balth-Luka or Vitos-Balth-Silla
I would say silla because you will want your active pass to be Balth, and the point of Luka besides her utility is the pen on pass.
If you want to use Vitos go for it. He's probably good, but no one has seen or used him enough to confirm it.
> 5th Beelze of the week
God damn, son.
Someone tell me about the water loli. Why does she wear the mask? And is she good?
Although, I just remembered Luka has a red stone slot for ebm/ic, and vitos/balth line is slow as shit. So that might actually be better.
Dunno. Like I said, not a big enough sample size to work off of.
Damn Vitos' chains are bullshit though.
Just compared him with Lucid and she has a nemesis chain with Silla & Nari.
The struggle is real, I was waiting for him to appear and now I might not scout him.
>People will just start shitposting about whatever is the next best thing
it's fine, people can't complain until the time they're also absolutely everywhere
Just think about how long Sharr and Ravian took to get to this current point despite being mostly untouched since Feb and starting to be comparatively better than others since April that brought both weathers and Nerua
>I'm curious to see how broken Vonchi's EE makes him.
His shot scaling to 25% per stack will be strong as fuck. Not as front loaded as Leventor, but over the course of 2 shots, it would give 25 + 50 or a total of 75% total modifier over the course of 2 shots. While Leventor get 60% for only his first.
Leventor will still be stronger if he kills in the first shot, if not Vonchi will scale higher and higher.
I doubt Clutch Moment will get upgraded, it already is his strongest skill and literally better than Summoning Hades. His Pen + Reflex skill is strong too, so it will most likely be the 50% movement speed skill, a secondary damage modifier to it?
Also, Serestia EE when?
Great idea, lets give season 2 legendaries their EEs before even releasing 1 full set of legendaries
6 fucking months now and no WW or Thunder legendary
inb4 "why does it matter, you won't draw her anyway", kill yourself
For the love of god someone send me some superbs and a terranox
He's always been great, but all the keis and Isillias running around hurt him, people running magnus was just an extra kick in the teeth. he should be able to stand out now with the current changes and all that crit damage.
>blade without terranox
>1 spu jury
Lucid is really so bad for PvP?
I would go for Lucid.
1) PvE is the most important part of the game
2) BB can still change her passive or introduce some new featuring as AI Modifiers in Season 3
Without Solar Eclipse, Lucid's damage is extremely mediocre.
With Solar Eclipse and a frontline which focuses all out on damage and pass effect (Yuri + Baltheon + Lucid), her damage is enormous and she can reach 7000+ dribble.
Sharr is still better for PvE though :^)
>PvE is the most important part of the game
>BB can still change her passive...
Probably won't happen, and relying on the hope of a buff has proven time and time again to be a poor and ineffective way of playing the game.
I'm not saying that's wrong, you play how you want, but to suggest it's viable is just lying.
1.Well she basically only has Critrate, Pen and 30% first move going for her
you could do much better with the same set up but with different Striker
2.look what happen to Uriel and Bora
Being consistently in higher Colo reward level is more rewarding than being in higher PvP league so that's something to think about
You really want Baltheon for Lucid PvE though
New guy here. Got Miho on my starter rolls and I really wanna keep her despite the FAQ saying to go for striker. I'll just try scouting one. What should I be aiming for? Beatrice? Sharr? Ravian? I want to be able to do both pvp and pve with it.
Ok I am rank 34 and going to scout kei in an hour am I fucked or did I do good. Going ardor/light
get the free 5 star from your second day login and play till rank 30 to see what your legendary is, then decide what you want to do from there.
you have nothing to worry about in early game
Sharr and Ravian for easy mode unless the meta changes anytime soon, otherwise Beatrice is still useable. You're not going to be reaching Champs anytime soon which is where the meta actually begins to make a difference, and by then it could possibly change.
I'd pick whichever you end up scouting first, but personally I'd pick Beatrice because she has the best butt.
>Got Miho on my starter rolls and I really wanna keep her despite the FAQ saying to go for striker.
The FAQ is a bit flawed in that sense.
If you haven't realized yet, all regular season 2 units (units released after May 2015) are draw-only, so of course it can be argued that getting a good season 2 unit is far more valuable than a striker or GK (when you start) because you can easily scout later on.
Sharr would be your best bet right now, but from all the strikers in the game she has the highest chance of being nerfed by the end of the year.
Well the usually rule of thumb is
some of the S2 5*
S1 5* Striker
I say just go for it
as long as you dont get William at lv30 as your single Legendary then you will be fine
this isnt PAD anon, you'll be completely fine without having to reroll. just do some draws and see what you get from there I'd say, there's no telling what you'll get from your draws and from your lvl30 legendary box anyway so dont stress over it too much.
TA is completely irrelevant for Colo so that's not even worth discussing. You could have a maxed frontline with NariBeth mid, leave the rest of your team as extras, and you would have beaten 37 with a 4kTA team
S2 legendaries aren't very good right now though and we have no idea how/when their EE will be
the only one that isnt good is Serestia
and the chance of her getting good at EE still there
Vonchi and Choi are already good
and them being S2 Legendaries make them even more exclusive and leave you the no headache of getting dup Legend at lv 30 as well
Nari is terrible for PvE. In PvE you almost always want all out damage (Baltheon) for OHKO strikers or some utility (Silla) when it's going to take multiple shots (e.g. WoM Uriel).
That's a really understating how they compare
You get crit rate and sprit that you don't need from Nari while you miss out on 60% crit damage from Balth's active + Silent Cold, and Balth has a significantly better stone slot set + passive combo
Nari's meant for PvP stability with crit rate and Provoke
The best butt in the game belongs to sophie or grace. How can you even make any judgement about anael's butt when you literally cant even see it.
Her hips are top tier, yes, but we know nothing about her ass itself.
Rivals are not good to invest in, no. Don't use littres on anything less than a 5* and don't use stats on a 4* unless it's a pve specific 4* after you've maxed everything else that doesn't have a niche use in pve.
He's still good. If you like him or want him, get him.
However, he is by no means the best right now. Isillia does dr way better than he does and is also scoutable and a waifu.
Lucian confirmed for EE never, BT is draw only, Jin is a legendary, Ripboi is rip, Raklet is is not a good gk, Nute is a boss, and new ardor gk is also draw only.
So really, your best option is to just get Kei or hope for Isillia. Not having a gk is a bad idea.
Scout Kei. He may not be a mandatory scout like the old days but if you got Ardor/Light then there is no reason to skip him. He is the 2nd best GK for Ardor Light only behind Isilla
>having 2 passers at full AB
>Striker still dead
>they active pass to each other waste 2 bar of spirit
>Striker then revive and take the ball to shoot at GK for 400 damage
every fucking time
>2nd best for ardor light
Like that means anything
Problem with blocks are that they don't always activate, and DR on the first shot matters the most, so without a lot of DR then, the GK don't survive unless they have a shit ton of HP
So blocks are pretty shit until the AI is fixed
>Problem with blocks are that they don't always activate,
This should never, EVER happen.
If a gk is 5/5 block and he has the spirit there should be 110% chance to activate it when an active shoot is happening. Same thing with assists.
80% isn't amazingly bad if you consider the fact that you're probably in a better spot than BT/Isi if the active block does manage to block the enemy's strongest attack
Jins and Keis are still everywhere you know
>Shouldn't be as bad with Magnus change now I guess.
Why do people keep spouting this blatantly untrue meme?
Magnus does absolutely nothing to sharr. He does absolutely nothing to leventor.
Probably an exageration, but Luka passer for Sharr is all the craze right now in response to people using Isillia against Sharr.
With Luka and/or Silla totem, Sharr can chunk away 70% of Isillia's HP and causing her to lose a lot of her DR, making the next shot fatal, even if the pen on the second shot is not as high as the first one.
Not a Leventor tier OHKO, but no worse than any other striker against Isillia.
The problem with Luka Silla Sharr is that you're focusing a lot on pen with that build, while other strikers can get that pen easily and use better assists/totems
Sharr 2hkos(3hko on the really good Isillias) even without that though so that setup is pointless
i needed ST material anyway
>The problem with Luka Silla Sharr is that you're focusing a lot on pen with that build, while other strikers can get that pen easily and use better assists/totems
I'd gladly trade you innate 30-40% pen for 50% extra damage to GK.
He is crying about having to use pen passer for a specific match up to make up for the lack of pen, while other strikers with penetration built in have to run damage totems, because none of what they have is as good as Sharr's 80% DI.
I'd really like to know where all the Sharr's ohkoing everybody in plat/diamond (because I know that's where most of you faggots are anyway if not gold), because I am still yet to have that issue with a 0 sup +3 kei. Especially when I sub in magnus.
I get ohko'd by almost every Beato or Hiro though despite having Nerua.
>in plat/diamond (because I know that's where most of you faggots are anyway if not gold)
Good job, you aren't in the demographic I was referring to.
Most of the clubs are filled with people in plat, then some diamonds, and a handful of people who have even placed Champs or higher.
Its the same as using Elaine sharr and a good assist
Neither will let you OHKO, but both will let you 2hko
I don't think its very smart to invest into more assists for one GK when you could work on other players
This again. Sharr alone isn't going to do all the damage everyone claims she does.
And if you want to sub players in for certain matchups, that's even more investment.
This goes for literally everything in this game. It's stupid fucking argument to say "x" player will carry you to champs all by itself.
>Neither will let you OHKO, but both will let you 2hko
Sharr won't be hitting for over 50% of an Isillia's HP with Silla ace on on the first shot. It is the difference between dropping both Silla ace and Isillia over 50% HP DR on the first shot and having to use 3 shot to kill her.
DI isn't anywhere near as effective on high DR targets, but with the fix to Pen/DI interaction, stacking Pen now makes perfect sense, that is why high ranking players are running Luka.
>Its the same as using Elaine sharr and a good assist
Are we back to the old 'DI is basically the same thing as penetration' shenanigans again?
I swear, the OP really needs to have the damage calc explanations that get mentioned a thousand times instead of plonking in the damage calculator and expecting people to figure it out from there
I've said it a few times in the past, max superb Gerold, Lucy and Clover/Samiel has a very large impact on TA. Not only is not everyone on that team STd to 6*, but Alice has 0 superbs, Anael has 3/5, Luka has 3/5, Kevin has 4/5 and Bell has 4/5.
Dunno, but from what I've seen in my club and my friends list filling up with people from this thread, it's mostly plat as the average. Then gold and diamond are about equal, and like I said a few champs here and there.
All the Galaxyfags are pretty much already a known factor, so that's irrelevant.
Well fine it would be better
Reason I said its pointless is cause investing into different players for different situations would make you focus on them rather than the rest of your team which in my opinion is much more important, so like said, its more of an end game thing where you have the things needed for your team and can focus on players used for certain situations
What will it be?
Will of Metatron pls
The thing is that the Luka set up only loses slight effectiveness against Jin/BT, while gaining significant advantage against Isillia.
It a trade off of overkilling Jin slightly less for more reliable chance at 2shotting the really good Isillia.
And we all know BT/Jin/Isillia is the only GK that matters in pvp.
>The thing is that the Luka set up only loses slight effectiveness against Jin/BT
Not him-- I don't see how Luka loses ANY effectiveness.
If you're interested in using the active at all you're probably looking at 80%DR Jins during blocks and BTs hitting 70% until her low health mark.
It's pretty understandable why Korean server top charts has nothing but Lev instead of Sharrs.
>Not him-- I don't see how Luka loses ANY effectiveness.
Luka is better actually against any set BT/Jin running Silla ace.
But I think it loses out slightly against non Silla ace Jin/BT compared to the higher pass of Baltheon or even Renee that passes crit damage.
i've noticed this happening a few times in the past, but i didn't really think much of it until now
i put points into black ivy's action speed debuff totem, yet it doesn't seem to be working on pic related's frontline
is this just a bug? or is there something i'm not aware of that's making this happen from time to time?
It's finally time!! Grinded out 70~ dstones since yesterday. This shit was fucking awful, but damn am I glad it's done.
Oh god. Are you sure she's even worth it?
>450 stones on a scoutable S1 player
It's your d-stones and you can do whatever you want with them but don't be surprised if the majority of people tell you that it's a waste because frankly, it is.
Hah, that's what they tell me. 5 months of no scout and millions of gold. Fuck living that hell any longer.
by far, after those 3 its a huge gap. people will insist kei is 4th but I always thought he was garbage because how weak he is starting out compared to other GKs are are at their best from the get go. Isillia is all the rage right now because of she's a BT esque gk who is light so so she doesnt take additional damage from Sharr and her healing ever so slightly helps to deal with sharr.
Because I'm lacking a GK with investment and it really affects my team.
The only GK I've wanted was her since patch notes that had her EE in them.
This was when everyone calling her a meme gk.
I have not found her a single time yet in that period of time.
As I said earlier in the thread, the only thing I have to spend dstones on is a unique since I already have the legends I want.
Dont get me wrong i'm not ragging on you for your choice or anything. Just thinking about my options as well since i've been some what forced into either doing a Dark/Thunder or Light/Dark team.
>but I always thought he was garbage because how weak he is starting out compared to other GKs are are at their best from the get go
Like it was said before, 60% active block that works against a strong shot is better than lower DR overall that's constantly there. If the block worked with 100% chance then people would still be all over Kei for PvP and Jin used even more than he is right now
>other GKs are are at their best from the get go
Not really, the painful part of using BT is that you're pretty helpless if the enemy's first attack is the active-active combo because BT needs to pass and use her active to be her 'very best'
>Because I'm lacking a GK with investment and it really affects my team.
450 DS for a season 1 unit who will also have no investment, jesus fucking christ
>the only thing I have to spend dstones on is a unique since I already have the legends I want.
Do you have Bell, Baltheon, Bell, Metatron, Shu and Leventor?
Do you also seriously think a unique stone for 600DS is less value than a season 1 unit for 450DS? You do know that uniques play a huge role in PvP the further you go up, right?
I have Sharr, Maxed Renee, and I don't want Shu.
Already said my thoughts on bell.
I used 3 littres, will have a 4th sunday, and I had 4 beelze, with st fodder to get her to 60.
She's already maxed almost now that I did that.
>season 1 player
I don't care, she's my favorite gk. This is waifu spirits, not mono legendary spirits like all you fags think it is.
Because it was Kei, and he's not a waifu. It's not fun losing, I didn't say it was. But winning just because you're using a bunch of legendaries isn't fun either.
The point of the game is to win with what you like.
>you might as well go mono
You see i would love to but i earned Meta as my rank 30 prize, so i really want to try to have the best of both worlds if possible. I cant ignore the fact that mono--thunder is powerful by how much everyone talks about it and from what ive seen, but its not for me.
I was still too new at that time to really know all the players and what they did.
She didn't have a cool EE at the time, so I barely knew she existed. Doesn't help I never scouted her either. Although, her base is pretty nice, admittedly.
>Butthurts faggots because random anon didn't spend his dstones a la esport.
I'm not calling anyone out. I said it's not a single playstyle game like some people here are implying.
I also said the point of the game is to play and win with what you like, in other words, do what you find to be the most fun.
If you enjoy maxing out a bunch of lengendaries and playing against other people with identical legendary teams, more power to you.
If you like playing waifu spirits and grinding the league climb, good on you.
If you like picking good waifus to avoid any males on your team yet still have good players, that's perfectly cool as well.
All of that is completely beside the point though. This is the most optimal thing for me to do in terms of my overall goals.
I could waste fuck tons more gold trying to scout her and save the dstones for another month to get a unique, or I could save the gold and make a unique and continue to play with Kei who I don't want.
And BT using her active after the first shot will matter more than silk using it?
No, thats not how that works. And silk has a much, MUCH higher chance of moving before BT. Actives aren't going to matter anyway if the enemy has done his strongest shot so whether its silk doing it or BT doing it amounts to virtually the same thing. The only difference is silk give more and to the whole team so you might as well prioritize silk's active in the first place.
>And silk has a much, MUCH higher chance of moving before BT
Which makes you incredibly silly for considering the situation where BT moves first and wastes Silk's spirit.
BT being BT isn't even the important part in what you're saying there, you're just talking about Silk.
Thats because you're not seeing the situation in the same way im seeing it.
There are two scenarios. One in which Silk moves first, and one where she doesn't. There will almost never be a situation where a properly kitted BT will go before a properly kitted silk so silk not going first will mean the striker gets their shot off.
In the first one, silk will move first, pull off her active and give 40 CR to the whole team and BT. In the second one Silk doesn't move first, BT gets damaged from the shot and she slurps up spirit, giving her self useless hp and 25% CR.
The second scenario should NEVER happen because in that scenario it would be infintely better to have BT pass the ball instead of slurping spirit so that Silk can make the entire team stronger and BT stronger than she would have been by herself.
Thats why skilling BT for her active is a mistake and shouldn't be something you do.
>sharr is up there too though, just not as much as ravians.
Where? I'm mid-diamond right now and I'm only seeing Sharrs. Ravian is as common as Leventor/Blade, and I'm running Ravian myself.
>get destroyed by chinese whales IC serestia, kevin, miho, kiki, jin line
That active on the backline is random as fuck as to who it goes on, sometimes Serestia uses it on the passer, sometimes on the striker. Oddly enough, when you use Serestia on the front line, it ALWAYS go on the GK.
Fucking retarded AI is one reason why Serestia is shit.
Why does it need to be that pair? You might as well be bundling KikiMagnus with Nera mid as a part of your BT label since you're absolutely fucked against IC fronts + Cynthia or Lia if you're using anything else.