Game is $40 on PC for all launch characters. $60 with some cosmetics on PS4 and XBONE. Blizz refuses to discuss post launch content at this point.
New Heroes (Added to Beta this coming week):
Overwatch is a first person shooter made by Blizzard. The closed beta is live but you aren't invited.
>Overwatch Game Data Spreadsheet
>list of /vg/ battletags (post yours in the thread if you want to be added to it
old thread >>121532597
I thought that Dva would be my waifu but her voice acting is terrible and she is bm scum, might as well waifu idra or yellow
Mei seems like a cutie though, more on this story as it develops. Did WoW train me to like chubby girls with their pandas?
Well, I don't want to play TF2 anymore, but at the same time, I don't know if the small amount of maps in this game is worth the price.
They'll add more in the package version, right?
>beta keys are a diamond dozen
>game runs smoothly until official launch
>it's still F2P
>all heroes and content are free (except skins shit)
>Valve makes millions and playerbase ie happy
>beta is released
>60$ pre-purchase with no beta key
>official release is many months away
>Blizzard makes millions cause blizzkeks, actual players interested in the game get shafted
>Pelican: Right now, the subreddit is on fire with one particular question - is there any form of early access based on, or related to, the Origins pack?
>Jeff Kaplan: No, there's no early access related to Origins, and we stand by that. We tried to put out a developer interview right when we released the beta and it kind of got drowned out because there was a lot of chaos going on at beta day, but we really tried to tell people that it is absolutely our intention to have a small beta. In fact right now we can't do a founder's pack because our servers are not prepared. We haven't even done our first stress test weekend, so flooding the beta with hundreds of thousands, if not millions of people, is not what we want to do right now
>and they've already said they'll have micro transactions at launch
They've very specifically said they wont have them at launch. Unless you mean the $20 for the Origins edition. Of course everyone knows things will change if they want to continue to support it. But that's definitely not something "that they said".
>You will never give me a rough titfuck then have her close up her parka with your jizz still on her breasts
>You are pretty much limited to this kind of waifushitter posting since you aren't cool enough for a beta key
you underestimate the consumption power of basic bitches
alternate purchasable editions after buying the actual game are just the beginning, they're easing you in. Making you invest, spend 40 now you're stuck trying to make good on the 40 you spent and get your money's worth, but buy more
>literally the worst gaming company ever
>20-30 dollars for a pet in WoW
this is just the beginning
HAVE YOU PRE-ORDERED YET?
I cannot stress how bewildered I am by the presumption of charging for skins on a full price game
do people not remember a time when the little quality of life extras were not paywalled?
the only reason they became paywalled was to make something free or more free. And now it's in addition to premium pricing
what the fuck
They confirmed that the next wave will be after Blizzcon. Pre-purchasing thus far has no baring on your status in the beta, which begs the question of why even bother doing it.
bull fucking shit
the only way i'd preorder is if it guaranteed you beta access
they won't even explain their payment model yet
if you preorder now you're actually just a fool
might preorder through BNet later down the road, but as it stands right now i'm in no rush and i'm not too hype on anything but the lore.
them going multiplayer only being the case, my love for the lore has done more damage to my perception of this shit show than I had intended.
I have no problem if they whore hardcore with skins. My only issue is heroes since that starts impacting game balance, and maps since that starts splitting the audience.
>Blizzard makes millions cause blizzkeks, actual players interested in the game get shafted
That's Blizzard in a nutshell now. They've made this fanbase of people who only play their games through wow, and there's more money there than elsewhere.
Why would you be retarded and preorder now when you can pre order the day before the release and get the same fucking benefits
The only reason to do it with such an anticipation is for a beta invitation, which you don't get
>do people not remember a time when the little quality of life extras were not paywalled?
Sure. But in those cases there was no presumption of additional post release content or support. DLC cosmetics is an inoffensive way to fund a team to stay working on a title after launch. And it's pretty much standard for fighting games now.
this is something I never understood
the first game I ever "preordered" I preordered like 30 minutes before a midnight release for 0 extra charge, and while I was going to be there anyway
what is the point when you get nothing out of it
Note I said maps split the audience, whereas heroes impact game balance. In game switching means the number of heroes in your pool has far more game impact than other character locked games.
D.Va had porn days ago based on her teaser reveal.
>there was no presumption of additional post release content or support
how old are you? this is literally not the case
>dlc cosmetics is inoffensive
to millennials that have lived with nothing else
>to fund a team
this is why the free to play model became more popular
you act like it's par for the course to have two pay models in the same fucking game
>it's pretty much standard for fighting games
and every old fag hates it. Street fighter even changed their policy for 5 because people were sick of their shit
reminder that this literally means "fat people"
Whenever I kill one of the waifus in the game I always imagine my bullets are orgasm inducing chemical darts and their death cries are actually mind wiping orgasms that leave them breathless for the respawn timer. Or orgasm inducing neuron pulses if it's an energy weapon.
Anybody else think like this?
D R O P P E D
Also that person can't just ASUME McCree or Soldier are men, what if they identify themselves as plantmorphic transamorous otterkins ?
> Because we’re just establishing Overwatch right now, we wanted the majority - not all - of our cosmetics to be solid and have some relevance to the IP in general
Lore friendly cosmetics only confirmed
>heoes impact game balance
as if my post still doesn't apply
there will always be a meta, there will always be shittier classes, and people have managed, this is not new
especially as the number of heroes increases, the problem will become more and more irrelevant.
this is when it's already irrelevant as "casual" and "competitive" modes have been a thing for fucking decades
Yes that is true, but land whales look in the mirror and rationalize themselves into thinking they look like this >>121554662
I don't see anything wrong with adding some chubby cuties. No one - not even the fattiest fatty - wants this
Continuing from last thread.
The problem with Overwatch being the Dota 2 of FPS games is because it's totally unfeasible. Dota 2 has had years and years behind its production, its hype, and its conception. You can't expect a brand new IP to have the same kind of loyal following.
Dota 2 should be considered one of the wonders of this world, expecting other games to compete with it is ridiculous.
They could have released CSGO for free, but STILL ask $20 from you to play despite having so much history.
Overwatch being an entirely new IP can definitely be $40. And if they do expansions, Blizzard has a history of providing a shit ton of good ones. Probably the only exception is Starcraft 2, but that game was shit from the start.
Who else going to pray for beta if they get in for free playing the hell out of it then quitting forever here? I can honestly get it out of my system in a couple months BUT if it is that good then OK I'll pay 60 bucks. Since you can't buy beta access then it doesn't pay yet to preorder.
Honestly BTW, they should have just done a closed beta with NDA, that way none of this gamer butthurt would have happened. We'd have some streamer butthurt but who cares about those degenerates, unemployment is down to 5% just go get a damn job.
league of legends invalidates every part of this autistic garbage
as does every other highly popular new f2p ip
MAYBE for companies that don't have the investment capital like fucking BLIZZARD
>literall console port
>most likely DLC in the future
>we want tumblr audience
>blizurd saying "if it doesn't sell well enough we will cut support"
well,it went to shit quickly
good thing I was only getting excited
>can't have a chub fetish without being a tumblrite
>and there are multiple heroes for each role
>and multiple solutions for each comp
and new heroes saturating this will make it even less of an issue if it even is one
from what I've gathered in these threads more than several heroes aren't even bothered with because other's outclass them
I will say one thing about Zarya's design:
Her hair makes her easy to spot, which is important for "reading" the match situation quickly.
Kind of like pic related. You don't have to spend any time at all figuring out who you're looking at, which means you can spend time figuring out what they're capable of and what they want to do.
In Dirty Bomb, the only reason I can easily distinguish between enemy Sparks and Aura players is their playstyles. Aura wants to hump her health station just outside a chokepoint, while sparks prefers to stay back a bit, sniping downed teammates and enemies with her revive gun.
It's generally a lot harder to differentiate between some of different characters in one of the game's roles, with the exception of the engineers, maybe.
I meant, replicate its pay model. I don't know why I said compete.
I would rather eat sand than play Overwatch with LoL pay model. That would be fucking ridiculously stupid. It's a fucking scam. Release new hero, 9/10 make them OP, reap profits, then nerf the shit out of them. Runes and masteries are fucking bullshit too. Most of my friends, who along with me, used to play forever, don't even play that much anymore. They just watch the esports scene because there's enough retards watching it to hype it up for them. That doesn't make a good game, that makes a game LOOK like it's good, when it's actually total fucking shit.
I think she's pretty cute. Still prefer something in between Pharah and D. Va, but I wouldn't kick a hypnotized Mei out of bed.
>blizzard, the company that has handled more major launches and has hosted more game servers that possibly ANY OTHER GAME
>MIGHT have a stress test weekend by the end of the year
this is bullshit and they know it, they could have the entirety of the united states able to play the PC version within a month if they wanted
>clusterfuck of skins
>new op hero every week
>eventually you can't tell which character is who
Already happening with HOTS
>you pay for game you get game
>expansion pack every so often with new heroes
>free map expansions
>mfw people begging for blizzard to only do cosmetic microtransactions after paying 40 bucks to get in
>I would rather eat sand
how about the shit you're already eating, is that tasty?
>9/10 make them OP
not a pay model
>runes and masteries are bullshit
>F2P paymodel *like* LoL=every stupid thing LoL charges you for
>we used to play LoL forever
so you're used to eating shit then
>that doesn't make a good game
as if overwatch couldn't possibly avoid the stupid little bullshit design elements in LoL
it's like LoL was your first serious game
I was glued to my monitor when I first played it so no. I loved that shit. I don't usually play single player games to the end since I like play vs other people more, but that's one of the few single player campaigns I played to the end and loved.
>Dedicated Servers in a high-profile 2015 game.
it's such an ugly color scheme though
if it was more subdued, like a strawberry blonde, or a platinum pink, i would be down
nope it's NEON pink
adding a big glowing penis on top of her head would draw the eye too, doesn't make it appealing to look at
overall I prefer to p2p model, but I want to know what Blizz's plans for future heroes, if any, are before I buy. Although it sucks being an aussie and getting price gouged.
My main worry is that p2p turn away a lot of prospective buyers, killing the player base and thus the game
>new op hero every week
most OP hero is OG in HOTS
>eventually you can't tell which character is who
>expansion pack every so often with new heroes
somehow this isn't considered doublethink
That's my main worry as well. I don't give a damn if the game is $40 or $80 or whatever. I will buy it. But I know a ton of people won't. And I want to play a game with a large playerbase so my queue times aren't shit
>tfw if I am not Americlap or europoor I will have to settle for 150ms to their servers
Nice game Blizzard-Activi$ion shills.
>greentext greentext you eat shit
How about you realize that League of Legends is only successful because they had outside chink help and that its esports scene is bigger than its actual players because nobody actually gives a fuck about it since it's literally shit?
It'd avoid all that by being b2p with expansions. If you want them to be f2p and push out new characters every month or so, then kill yourself. Unlike your young entitled ass, actually paying for my games isn't a foreign concept to me. Or were you actually crying that you had to pay for TFT to play the latest DotA back in 2003?
I still have no idea why people think they intentionally release extremely broken heroes to force people to buy them. That sounds like a really good idea to turn away your players. Not to mention, making a skin is far far easier than making a hero.
Skins = money
Even reddit knows whats up kids.
"All the talk about it has been very careful to say if you buy it you get the heroes and maps currently announced. Are they really going to do a buy to play and then lock gameplay content like heroes or maps behind a paywall as well? If that's so that's enough on it's own to steer me far away from the game.
Edit: Just want it to be clear that I really hope this isn't true but with how things have been said it seems likely."
>engineers in WoW started going to shit as early as BC and keep getting shat on every expansion
>the engineer character Gazlowe is bottom tier dogshit in both HotS and Hearthstone
>the engineer character in Overwatch is dogshit
What's the deal here?
Is this really a concern for anyone? Honestly it will never happen. Blizzard is not that retarded. If they were planning on it, they aren't now because of the backlash they know they will receive
They won't do it piece by piece, but it's now possible that they'll hold back completed content to save it for expansion packs
Want 9 more heroes? Instead of dripfeeding them for free, we'll wait for them to finish every last one then for them to sell them in a $40 bundle
>If you want them to be f2p and push out new characters every month or so, then kill yourself. Unlike your young entitled ass, actually paying for my games isn't a foreign concept to me.
as if I ever asserted I would be opposed to p2p
did it ever occur to you that p2p used to include all the little shit this game will be charging you for?
I want them to be one or the other. You on the other hand are vehemently defending the fact that you're fully willing to gobble up 2 payment models and refuse to accept the possibility of just one
you're also probably unaware that the game currently has been a significant loss for blizzard and this particular model is to make up for it to justify it's continued existence around launch. They'll likely change it to a free to play model later
>Or were you actually crying that you had to pay for TFT?
no because it WAS a full game on release without the excessive jewry you're defending
>to play the latest DotA back in 2003?
no, because I didn't pay for Dota after it stopped being *just* a mod. Only shit eating faggots like yourself could justify that
That'd be better, because I'd want those characters to be polished and reserved for a large package. The game looks incredible just for a beta, I think they expect to do something like this to ensure quality all around.
But I highly doubt they'd price the expansions the same as the standard edition. Blizzard hasn't done that as of late. I'd expect the same amount of heroes for $20, along with a few maps and a new game mode or so.
>literall console port
Literall not, just designed with a controller in mind.
>most likely DLC in the future
So? It could be really good and well priced DLC, it could be no DLC. We have no idea yet.
>we want tumblr audience
They want all audiences anon, it's called business. It's got pixies, muscle girls, chubby girls, leggy ass machines, delicious brown girls and an aryan swedish girl. It's got robots, ninjas, robot ninjas, dwarves, brazillians, a black guy named winston, edgelords, Marii without glasses in a mini-mech, a cowboy. They just put as much different kinds of shit in there so that they could reach the most amount of people.
>blizurd saying "if it doesn't sell well enough we will cut support"
Are you referring to the quote, "we will continue supporting it as long as people are playing it"? I think you might be taking it the wrong way.
Yeah? 6 months in closed beta, possibly less if it goes to an open beta. Nothing really surprising here.
>On the powerful side, we probably need to tone down McCree a little bit - we need to make a decision, is he a long-range sniper or is he a mid-range skirmisher, and right now he's both, and he's not allowed to be both
Kek McCree abusers btfo, I still remember some retards saying he was fine
Buy to play and expansion is one payment model, and it's by far one of Blizzard's most successful. What the fuck are you on about?
And as soon as they change it to free to play is when it starts to get shit. Because that's when they'll start paywalling heroes you stupid faggot. Hello FPS LoL.
You do know that Overwatch is under retail? And you obviously didn't like the game enough if you waited all those fucking years for a game that, for a lot of the time, was just a pipe dream.
>T: Lastly, when are you coming back to reddit? We need another AMA!
>JK: Our team is on the subreddit all day long, it’s basically my second monitor.
You think they have 4chan on their third monitor?
>what the fuck are you on about
how about reading what exactly they're charging for before defending it you fucking knob. They're charging for skins too
>and it's by far one of blizzard's most successful
currently their most successful is hearthstone. Nevertheless, the only other game where they've started combining micro transactions with a premium together was WoW around WOTLK and that has never recovered
>because that's when they'll start pay walling heroes
>hello FPS LoL
you continuously confuse pay model with game design. You also assert the hero jewry is the reason why LoL is shit, not any other of a thousand reasons why.
Even still LoL is doing better than DOTA2 so "starts to go to shit" is restricted by the fact that it's still wildly popular
>you do know Overwatch is under retail
>you obviously didn't like the game enough if you waited all those fucking years for a game that, for a lot of the time, was just a pipe dream.
I didn't wait at all, I only heard about it a couple months ago. What the fuck are you even saying in that last line?
>skins already in origin pack
>2015 soon to be 2016
>implying there won't be a gorrilion skins and cash shop
just because your god metzen or jew "avoid the question" kaplan doesn't make official statement doesn't mean it will not happen
but I'm sure we will just unlock the skins by leveling right?
you are either a blizdrone in denial or a shill
It doesn't look bad, but I wouldn't want to downgrade her ponytail.
>I don't like extra cosmetics
>I have no dispensable income
>Why isn't everything free
Are you people stupid, or just terrible trolls?
Either Blizzard is extremely incompetent and they've not decided on a business model for a game they have already started to sell, or they will require players to buy new heroes as they release.
If new heroes were going to be free, they would've put that everywhere and repeated it every chance they got because it's a huge selling point.
Few months ago:
>We're developing Overwatch as a PC game first and foremost
>We currently have no plans for Overwatch on console
>It's always been a dream of ours to see Overwatch on console
>Overwatch was designed with consoles in mind
>Tfw you don't actually mind dreadlocks on women.
>2015 most anticipated FPS
>most successful is hearthstone
Do you literally have no recollection of before 2010 or were you literally born yesterday? LoD, TFT, and BW are all successful franchises that had expansions.
The skin thing doesn't really matter to me at all, they're just optional cosmetics. As long as it's not playable game content, I don't see how that can be so bad.
I don't assert any other reasons because it's not relevant to the discussion. I'm not having a "find reasons why LoL is shit" discussion with you. Pay model has a huge effect on game design. If you don't have a steady or reliable pay model, then the quality of your products are obviously going to suffer, or do you think these people give you games from the kindness of their heart?
Also, wildly popular doesn't mean it isn't shit. Call of Duty is wildly popular, so in essence, you wouldn't object to Overwatch being like Call of Duty.
And the reason I bring up that it's under retail because you bring up that TFT was a full game. Overwatch doesn't have to be a full game in the sense that it has a single player, it is already priced appropriately.
Finally, if you have no idea about TFT or DotA then get the fuck out already.
>it wouldn't be so bad if the game and heroes also weren't paid content
You get all 21 heroes right out the gate, stop spreading misinformation about having to buy heroes.
>i've spent like $150 on dota hats
Ah, okay. Back to your ASSFAGGOTS with you.
>MGS5 is unfinished and soul crushing
>Binding of Isaac Afterbirth has a blunder launch and underwhelming content
>Overwatch is going to consoles and will die in 6 months after launch because of blizzard
WHY DO I GET FUCKING EXCITED FOR THINGS
EVERYTHING I TOUCH DIES
They said hero store will not be at launch. The only reason why they leave it open for the future is if the game really does shit and they have to resort to shitty f2p tactics. But that's not likely to happen.
>alternate purchasable editions after buying the actual game are just the beginning, they're easing you in. Making you invest, spend 40 now you're stuck trying to make good on the 40 you spent and get your money's worth, but buy more
They're literally just trying to make money by selling the game, stop trying to make everything seem so much more serious than it is.
Here you go chillychasers.
OC for /owg/.
http://awmbh.deviantart.com/art/Mei-Overwatch-crop-570721033 if you want the censors taken off. Visit either that or hypnohub tomorrow if you want to see the hypno version, though I'm guessing this is enough for the majority of you guys.
>Do you literally have no recollection of before 2010 or were you literally born yesterday?
do you know what currently means?
>the skin thing doesn't matter to me at all
well considering it is the payment model for a large portion of games today, it doesn't really matter what you think
>I don't see how that can be so bad
because you're a shit eater
>the LoL pay model is why it's shit
is wrong, you don't have to have a discussion about it, /v/ has had that discussion for years and plenty think assfaggots are shit regardless of their pay model
>or do these people give you games from the kindness of their heart
what are you even asserting? that I should accept whatever model they choose? the entire problem people have is what they'd be willing to give money for, it's quite literally the mechanism by which capitalism works
>wildly popular doesn't mean it isn't shit
I never asserted that, and it's pretty clear I didn't. The assertion was that the F2P model is still highly successful such that plenty don't think it's shit.
>you wouldn't object to overwatch being like call of duty
this is hilarious. Overwatch is using the same pay model as call of duty as far as we know
I don't care, nor do I play single player games
>if you have no idea about TFT or DotA then get the fuck out already.
literally what the fuck are you talking about?
>They STILL haven't softened the obnoxious fucking cartoony muzzle flash on 76 and Tracer's guns.
Fucking christ Valve got this shit right almost eight fucking years ago. I bet the fucking viewmodel designer is some fucking millennial too who never heard the insightful commentary on why the fuck you don't put distracting flashes of shit on the viewmodel.
>you don't have to buy it
I don't have to pay premium for the game only to get jewed on the quality of life little shit either
>because there are free to play games that sustain themselves off skins alone, and this could be charging for both
>TF2 comes out
>Later add unlockable weapons you either pay for or hope to get in a random drop, some very overpowered and other completely change a class into what might as well be a new class (demoknight)
>Later add cosmetics in a cash shop
>Fast forward 5 years and it's still popular
Overwatch is DOA, yeah.
>there are free to play games that sustain themselves off skins alone
There's basically one of those as far as I know and Valve is in a rather unique position with Steam and the Steam marketplace.
I'm in the beta, not certain if I'll buy this game though
Game is cool, but eventually gets repetitive. Skill ceiling is definitely lower than the potential tf2 has, not that I'm saying go play tf2. I'm pretty burned out on that game after all the years
The weapon drops system was dumb but from day 1 (talking day one of weapon drops, not day one of the cheev based unlocked weapons) you could go on a trading server and swap weapons / scrap for the new weapons
>tf2 ships with 3 other amazing games
>same price as OW
>stand alone tf2 cost half as much
keep in mind this was also in a market before f2p shit was overwhere
>Actually wanting a game to be F2P trash
I'm glad the price tag filtered you.
I don't think anyone wants that, it's that they might go maximum COD with season passes, DLC maps and heroes, and shit
>that won't happen!
It could, it's happened in other games
It really makes me sad that overwatch is such a good game but might die because of blizzards dumb ass payment model decisions
I don't mind the buy price but paying for the base game + skins + buying any new hero is not only money grubbing but will kill the competitive scene and will decimate the community OW could have
You mention Hearthstone as currently most successful in the context of all the other games I mention why? It's just one game, and it also has expansions in the form of adventures.
Stop putting your shitty words in my mouth, LoL's pay model is shit, it's not the only reason why it's shit, but it's objectively shit and only works because chinks saved their ass.
What you should do is stop expecting new IPs to be able to pull a Dota 2 and go entirely free with cosmetics. Even CSGO has a base payment, and it also has cosmetics. Wow, what a shitty game, right?
I don't care what you asserted, what I'M trying to say is that no matter how you slice it, the free to play model is shit, it doesn't matter how successful it is.
We're arguing under the assumption that they go b2p with expansions, or did you already forget why you responded to my initial posts?
If you don't care about single player then Overwatch is for you just as full as a game as any other, and it's under retail. So you can't assert otherwise.
I also don't give a fuck about what you say, selling optional skins isn't excessive jewry or whatever the fuck you're trying to make it out ot be. Excessive jewry would be paygating heroes and maps in an optional store. You're literally just a faggot looking to call other people shit eaters for no good reason.
literally the only way to remotely save this game is to upboat every single negative post and criticism of Blizzard on Reddit. they worship the place and if Reddit hates the change they'll change anything
None of us are playing it friend. It's alllllll streamers and F&F
And there's MMR so if you're getting matched with shitters it's either because you suck dick or you're still being placed and therefore playing with noobs and the Minecraft streamers
But it hasn't. So far Blizzard is literally giving you what you want. A flat $40 fee for all the maps and heroes.
If they fuck up, then you get mad.
>+ skins + buying any new hero
>then even more microtransactions.
I am willing to believe you, would you please put these side by side in a video or image compilation, whichever format they appear in? It would be wonderful for reposting in the future, if true.
every time blizz gets asked about buying future heroes the dodge the question
sure it isn't 100% super confirmed but what other reason would they have to not say "no, you won't buy heroes" instead of letting everyone worry?
No, Mai actually looks fun to play and useful beyond clogging up mediocre porn commissions.
Das it mane
>If they fuck up, then you get mad.
If we make it clear that we won't stand for ultra Jewing then maybe the redditors amongst us will make threads about it and then blizzard marketing department (like the literal ones, not like the "le shillerino marketrons") might read about it and decide if they go maximum Evolve on this game they'll kill it
That just means that, if they do shit, they will probably implement a shitty f2p store. If they don't, they might do expansions (technically buying heroes), and they've made great expansions before.
>my subjective opinions are objective reality: the post
>the free to play model is shit, it doesn't matter how successful it is
it's apparently not shit for a lot of people
>You're literally just a faggot looking to call other people shit eaters for no good reason.
you're entire post is indicative of having already eaten shit and asking for more
But let's not forget that it's the origin of the hats economy that had 90% of the playerbase afk'ing in servers to get achievement points and scrap for hats instead of actually playing.
They don't dodge it, man. They're answering it. They probably don't know.
Whether or not they implement stuff like a cash shop is probably going to be decided after the launch of the game. Once they see how successful the game is.
The reason why they won't confirm that they aren't going to ever sell heroes is because if in a few years the game stops making money and they have to resort to selling heroes, they don't want the PR shitstorm of being called liars. Look at Pay Day 2.
wait until you see all the xxUchihaxSasukexx once the ninja is released
who decides how to monetize blizzards games?
like I doubt the devs who put in so much work are like "lol just put everything behind retarded micro transactions"
is it someone in marketing is there some specific person whose job in activision is specifically to mathematically find out the most efficient way to milk games dry of money without any risk? The devs clearly put in a lot of good work, i don't think they'd be responsible for this monetary model abortion.
who do i have to talk to in order to find out why OW was strangled in its crib?
they locked away 2/3rds of the game on the season pass
people got tired of evolve fast because you only had 1 monster 4 hunters and had to buy everything else, and all your friends would have to, too. the only positive was free maps but even halo has free maps these days
call of duty managers are making choices for blizzard now it's going to be shit on launch and take at least a month before they can patch it to not be shit but they're sitting on infinite WoW-cash so even though blizzard lost all their talent they can throw money at problems to fix them
>Natascha heavy caused so many scout tears I even used it after it got nerfed back into the stone age to the point where it was useless for killing anything BUT scouts
>Overwatch has an ENTIRE HERO dedicated to being the natascha heavy
Evolve on launch was
>$60 for the base game
>$20 for the pre-order Hunting Season pass that would get you five characters for free
>$15 for a monster if you didn't pre-order
>Like $40 for a ton of cosmetics
>$15 for the next set of hunters and monster
>people who never even heard of this game just ticked the beta checkbox for fun are getting into the game but people who know this game inside out and spend $60 on buying it have no larger chance at all to get into the beta than those other people
This is really killing my hype, know that that the company running the game doesn't give a shit about its costumers
It was also the fact that the devs basically responded to any criticism of their economy / shit-all content on release by touting "the micro transactions that literally double the cost of the game is to feed the families of those who made the game".
When you spend most of your budget on marketing and focus all of your post-game support on cash-grabbing dlc you're gonna have a bad time.
theres a difference between f2p and having a small barrier to entry so the community is healthy for a simplstic online arena game like this. and adding microtransactions just kills it even harder. and waiting 8 months for the release? thats the final nail in the coffin. the game is pretty much dead on arrival, unfortunately.
I wasn't sure about her until I saw Ster go nuts on her, you have to be really good at headshotting with her alt fire and you need support to slow people
She's really good at CCing and killing tanks and Tracer
Mei actually looks pretty weak to be honest
>Middling HP is decent
>Heal as her shift is decent
>Ice Wall HP seems to be rather low for a defense hero shield (maybe ~250 per individual block), trades ability to fire through for mobility
>Damage output seems low
Come now son.
This is pretty much how TF2 originated and its community thrived during its peak and continues to hang around.
Even though it came in the Orange Box with other games you still had to buy the orange box to begin with.
It then went on to found the hats economy as was mostly sustained by cosmetics and small game-play updates over the months and years.
If Overwatch even remotely repeats the TF2 formula it's going to be a huge success - especially with the Blizzard loyalty drone / hype machine driving it along.
people keep saying TF2 being free is a bad thing without ever saying why and I don't understand it. The life span of tf2 was prolonged by a massive amount due to being f2p which lead to consistent updates that kept the player base alive
>thats the final nail in the coffin. the game is pretty much dead on arrival, unfortunately.
You're retarded if you think a $40 price tag is going to kill a game. Especially a game by Blizzard, the company that has been tricking millions of people into paying $15 per month for over a decade.
>adding microtransactions just kills it even harder
Still waiting on your source.
tf2 was a unique game for its time, it never costed 40 bucks, and nothing that impacts gameplay ever costed money. im 99% certain of this, as someone who bought the game early on. i may have forgotten something though.
>especially with the Blizzard loyalty drone / hype machine driving it along.
worked out great for Hots
LBC would carry those shitters. git gud
Like I said, tricked.
You mean the carefully devised response of "we don't know"? They probably don't know, anon. They're probably waiting until after the game is released to gauge it's success and then decide on how to further monetize it.
TF2s economy took a lot of development to get to the stage it is now. Originally even the alternate weapons for each class were RNG based drops - hence the big achievement / grinding servers that still fill the game.
I think Overwatch's timing is very intentional.
TF has been slowly dwinding for years and as impressive as it is that it has held on - there's a big gap in the market for a shooter with even a somewhat similar premise - that's why so many TF2 players are hyped for OW.
People are confusing the lack of denial of a pay-for-champs system in the future being a confirmation that classes will cost money for OW.
HOTS was trying to shove itself into a market already saturated with tons of games like it with giant established communities.
OW is not only going to fullfill the massive void left by TF2s gradual demise, but it also has all of the marketing / hype / developer kudos of Blizzard backing it up.
I'd wager OW being more like the next Hearthstone for them in terms of success.
I figured out how to make overwatch work financially.
>$40 upfront fee
>cosmetics added to the store for people to buy
>maps and heroes given out for free
>option to stop seeing yours and everyone else's cosmetics
This way the people who like playing dressup can do so, and people like me who like telling apart heroes can enjoy the game.
And the community isn't separated.
A lot of older games had better communities than newer ones, no rose colors there it's just something that has happened as a result of gaming/PC gaming getting bigger.
The Orange Box era Source community was actually really good. Back when Source mods were in their prime, and shit.
Off the top of my head some of the best communities I've seen in games were T2A-era Ultima Online, Wurm Online, Kunark-era EQ.
Shitty ones are any ASSFAGGOT, modern TF2, any game with a lot of BRs.
Wow, I wish they had gone with that design instead.
Looks like a cute Captain Cold. Well, I guess she looks like a cute Captain Cold anyway, but that design looks much more imposing, rather than the dainty pigeon-toed thing they have going on with her current design.
You are not soloing shit with Zarya. Smart players will ignore your shield and stay far away while killing you. Or Reaper will just ghost form your shield and shoot you in the gut.
It never works. For people to buy skins they have to become more and more ridiculous over time.
>tf2 unusual hats
>dota 2 cowboy ursa's creator was banned and the set was removed
My solution was much better,
That appeals to me. Controlling others appeals to me. Sweater cows appeal to me.
yeah, no, fuck this, i'm done
got in, thought it was good, everyone is a mentally retarded shitstain that can't even breathe properly
hope you fucks enjoy paying $60 for shit matchmaking and braindead vegetables teammates
Literally, all the had to do was copy the dota 2 business model. In that model, you can still sell your skins but they'll just be called "sets" instead. Then, all you need is a solid competitive system where people can pursue higher ranks and you're good to go.
Instead they prevent themselves from ever having a playerbase because the game is fucking $40, have they learned nothing from hearthstone?
Pretty much, most modern games are tainted with F2P cancer. That or LoLfags.
Just look at all the moba babies bitching about no hero bans, and actually suggesting that comp OW will have a draft phase.
Eh, there are ones that I enjoy. The Tera Online community is actually fun
to PK, even if it is F2P. I quite like the ESO community, it makes the game much better. I mostly like the CSGO community.
Open beta, demo. I dont fucking care but they better put either up before I buy myself into this shit because from what I read most low ends and medium PC's still cant properly run Overwatch and I'm not going over the top of my medium build just for a hyped dead game.
>A 'beta' in which access is arbitrarily granted has shit players, therefore the game is shit.
Hardly anyone good at the game has gotten in, because it's 90% lol and hs streamers.
don't bother, all these faggots are so fucking bad at the game that whatever mmr system is in place only works if you somehow win your first game
if you lose your first game, well fuck you, you're gonna get matched with literal shits, jesus christ i don't know how it's possible for faggots to be this fucking bad at a game
i got it 2 weeks ago, the day it officially opened, the 27th
played like 5 games and quit because i couldn't handle the level of mental retardation that went on
decided to play a few games tonight after the hype, nope, still just as retarded
>login to bnet
Pre-purchase Overwatch now!
I dont understand.
If they wanted money they could just release some sort of special edition that includes beta access. People were actually begging blizzard to do this.
I thought the whole mentality behind no keys was because people were selling HS keys, and blizz realized "oh shit, we could've sold those keys". fug
>Fat on her fucking forehead
>Fat bulging from forehead
How does this happen to humans?
yeah, no, fuck this
i can't handle it, i'm gonna punch a hole in the wall after the last 8 games
maybe tomorrow, but whatever i do record will just end being filled with me screaming my lungs out at the retarded faggots that are my teammates
Anyone else feeling kinda underwhelmed?
I supported p2p model at first, but it seems that $40 price tag will alienate quite a crowd. Devs didn't want to talk about future plans. New heroes and maps will probably be $40 expansions.
>i'm living in the timeline where jammku didn't kill himself
How does this make you feel /vg/?
Of course he did. He's a youtuber / streamer why wouldn't he?
>Genji fox can only use his sword during his ult
Maybe the proper melee character will be somebody that uses martial arts.
Indifferent, Zarya can get it just like everyone else.
He's actually a fucking streamer? Last I remember he streamed the Overwatch client with the learn more trying to get Blizzard to give him a key
Fuck this retard is in the beta and I'm not. Fuck everything
12 hunters 3 monsters.
>One monster which came out 2 months after release.
Hunting season pass 1
>4 Hunters which came out two months after release
>Hunting season pass 2
4 hunters 1 monster which is still coming out, like a year or whatever after release.
It launched with 9 classes with 3 weapons each and 6 maps and no other incentive to play than to have fun
The most advanced thing you could do was rocket jump.
Yet it still became insanely popular
What I'm getting at is whether you buy Overwatch or not, it WILL be popular enough maintain a playerbase for a good time to come.
Is that because it's the mere fact it's a Blizzard game or that it'll actually be fun? We'll find out
These fucks ruined the CSGO community desu. It was fine until Dreamhack Winter 2014 when all the cheating scandals and whatever made the game super popular and all the LoL babbies flocked to CSGO.
Add to that all the gambling addicts that only care about their bets, the community is far worse than Dota, which is afflicted by slavshits, peruvians and sea-monkeys.
> @A_seagull So, do you honestly think that there will be any worthy comp scene in this game? 40$ is pretty much a killing for anything to be made
>I think it kills it completely
Even seagull thinks this is a terrible idea. What a disappointment
I was hoping for a 10$-20$ price tag. If I'm paying 40 dollars for something, I don't want to immediately get a skin shop thrown in my face, which is doubtlessly what Blizzard is going to try.
If it were more like CSGO, where there is a relatively cheap one-time paywall, and then cosmetics are available as the game's main form of sustenance, then I could understand. But 40 dollars? For a casualized TF2? I'm expecting free content updates.
two things: One, developers are wasting their time thinking that they can appease or cater to her ilk. Two, that Anita is fucking bonkers if she honestly thinks that people can't or won't find Zarya sexy. It reveals that she doesn't give a shit about the spectrum of what people consider attractive, and she just wants everyone to be appropriately "ugly".
Yeah, I'm a streamer. I'm also a youtuber. I've been doing Blizzard videos For like 15+ years. I'm the father of chest farming, and most gold farming methods on WoW up till Cataclysm.
I held a record for the fastest dual box 1-60 and the fastest non-rested "burst exp. (Solo all of the 1st instance instantly on Burning Crusade.)
I'm a former professional gamer and I travel all over the US to promote shit.
What the fuck do you do?
Fucking dead game on arrival and the only people who got to enjoy that short golden age of Overwatch were beta streamers.
You know you fucked up when even reddit's top rated most agreeable topic is pic related