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Some people are gay or trans, though. My point was that Naoto isn't.
He used to run a tight ship having people sing and play the piano for eternity, but Igor got lazy so it ended up like this.
>killed 2 people
>couldent kill them himself, had to let the world do it
>Alienated and teased for years because of his freaky alien eyes
>only killed one person who no one even liked
>beat that fucker to death with his bare hands
>loyal to his waifu
Mitsuo deserves redemption infinitely more than Adachi
This is kind of a different thing, but is there some reason all the 'attendants' since P3 have had the same blonde hair/yellow eyes motif going on? It seems too consistent not to mean something.
Mitsuo did it for attention. People call Adachi edgy but Mitsuo is the actual edgy. The guy who tries to do dark and scary shit, not because that's what he believes but because it gets him attention.
Atlus apparently said that with new guests, it means new attendants, but I think the retards in P-Studio forgot that Nameless and Belladonna appeared for Tatsuya and Maya despite being new.
Regardless, Belladonna and Nameless didn't really do anything like the current attendant sibs. They were more focused with nuturing the soul. Igor is the one that got lazy as hell.
Platinum blonde. Close enough.
Do you think it might be because in the previous games there were multiple guests, and therefore more of a general 'room-space' rather than a specific location like an elevator or limo?
Certainly it's true that the old attendants didn't have the same personal connection with the protagonists that the new ones do, and they weren't really involved with the fusion either. Demon Painter painted the cards in P2 but it was still Igor conducting the procedure.
Oh god im so sorry anon
That was painful to read, my condolences.
Is it as dead as P4A?
Gray-blonde. Close enough.
And I think Maggie's portrait in Arena has gray hair too.
I honestly think Igor was very involved with the attendants from the old games. As for Bella and Nameless, I would argue that Nameless was the one that had more to say than Belladonna. They even got him to make you do sidequests in ISP.
Demon Painter, though, did a lot more than Nameless and Belladonna, but he's not a real attendant. He's just a human that's chilling out and doing Igor a solid.
Though you know that elevator is very spacious compared to the limo. In the Answer you see everyone able to enter it without making it seem awkward. I hope in P5 everyone gets to have the priviledge of entering the VR.
Also I am kind of confused how Sho was able to get the limo if he's completely brand new. This isn't like Aigis who received MC's Wild Card/ knew him. Atlus being lazy I guess.
I skipped the first arena because I thought this Persona + fighting game thing was a bad idea but I gotta admit, I loving ultimax.
I never had this much fun with a fighter since Tekken and Soul Calibur.
Its not as balanced as I wish it could have been but still I dont feel so bad even though I lost most of my online battles.
Putting in one last happy birthday for Nana-chan before midnight.
There isn't. The literal definition of edgy is "going against the grain" or presenting ideas that go against societies norms. If a villain is presenting motives and actions that are totally in line with societies and not radical at all, then they're probably not much of a villain.
I've got a good feeling about this lobby
Of course he did more. He's Kaneko.
Then he left to go hang out with Holy Ghost.
>you will never have a imouto like Nanako
The closest I got was spending a few days getting along with a cute cousin of mine. Kids who thinks you are the coolest person in the world are so adorable...
Well, Yu did help him get/activate/whatever his Wild Card and Maggie says that he will have to deal with him now. She even called Sho his "underclassman". It's probably somehow related to something and maybe we will get an explanation someday. Probably.
>Kids who thinks you are the coolest person in the world are so adorable...
That fucking feel.
>mfw in few years she'll realize how fucking lame I am
I think he's implying Lisa married Tatsuya, which is impossible since he married Anna after EP.
>Niggas hating on Yosuke again
Yall just jelly because he gets all the chicks.
Nigga I know what he was implying, but he obviously didn't read what I had said correctly.
Also there is nothing that indicated he was into Anna. Annafag please leave. Your waifu is the most boring shit ever. I'd rather fuck the Sumaru Genie.
What's this shit about P5 being cancelled?
I haven't heard anything about it except for from /pg/
Just because Baofu has long hair doesnt make him a girl.
Its true. They've decided to put it on Hiatus and make Persona III-2 and Persona III- MC Returns.
Junpei isn't a whiny, closeted, asshole
I like him more than Junpei.
I was glad that Junpei's girlfriend died.
He wouldn't have gone that far had Naoto not pushed the idea.
I just bought Persona 3 (FES?) and 4
Should I just play them in order? I mean I want to play them in order because that makes sense but I don't know if one is better than the other and I don't want to feel like the experience is declining as I play on.
They are all terrible, and thinking otherwise is an illusion that you have convinced yourself to be a truth.
4 is better than 3 because it doesn't have the artificial difficulty, but if you play 4 before 3 you'll probably give up on it. Also 4 has alot of references to 3 so plays 3 first. There's only one reference to P2 in 3 so don't worry about that.
You can play them in any order, but you'll miss some easter eggs if you play 4 first.
Play 4 first though, and save the better gamer for last.
Movement and neutral feels so weird and gross in this game and I can't understand why. Im losing to stuff I see coming but I cant get in around for some reason. Im really experienced with Blazblue and Guilty and this seems similar, but I cant place exactly what it is thats so off or that I dont get
She knows how to keep her hands clean while giving the really bad ideas to someone who would do it.
Just like she'd rather have a peaceful lie than cruel truth if you date her and another girl but choose them.
>Force yourself to play P3 first
Jesus, don't tell him to do that.
4 is better, and you know it. That's why you had to tell him to "force" himself through it.
3 sucks and I wouldn't recommend it unless you really enjoyed 4 and wanted to play something else like it.
>4 is better than 3 because it doesn't have the artificial difficulty,
Kanji doesn't really 'push' either. He pushes about to the same extent that Rise, Chie, and Yukiko do to not throw him in.
Otherwise yeah, you're right.
This doesn't mean she pushes the point - that's all on Yosuke.
>Nobody has picked up the trash next to that electricity post in 2 years
>There's only one reference to P2 in 3 so don't worry about that.
Theres a couple.
Nanjo name drop.
The school motto on the sculptures at Gekkoukan.
The shadows Kirijo was storing was exactly like the NWO was collecting Kegare in EP.
Trish interviewing the different P1/2 people.
Lisa "Fitness Expert" Silverman
All the Maya and Tatsuya stuff in the Hermit link.
There's a bow for Yukari named after Maki's revelations name, Mary, too.
>200 worldwide when it just came out
You act like that's a big number. 75% will disappear soon, the other 15 will probably quit within the next few months and the last 10% will stay around for a while just because they either have nothing else to do or like persona.
>The shadows Kirijo was storing was exactly like the NWO was collecting Kegare in EP.
>All the Maya and Tatsuya stuff in the Hermit link.
wasn't present in the original version
Only one I'd argue that doesn't matter is the Maya one since it was not there in the original. Everything else you listed was.
Dude the Kirijo blob shadows look a lot like the blob kegare of EP.
Dude, yes it was.
>wasn't present in the original version
So? Hes not playing the jap version.
No see because the TV stuff has plausible deniability. If you just killed him straight up there'd be a shit ton of evidence. Not only that, it's easier and quicker to just toss him into the TV.
Alright, that wasn't so bad Stingray.
I should really learn Adachis moves. Thanks for the games.
Huh? They're presented with two options - one messy, dangerous and extremely illegal and the other unproveable, easy and quick. You don't need to be a master strategist to understand that the second one is much better.
But it is.
The shadow blobs you chase around in TV World and Tartarus are the same thing the NWO was sucking out of people.
Right down to the gooey hands reaching out for you.
Okay so if you unlock someone by beating there score attack on risky, how exactly do unlock non-playable ones like Fuuka and Nananko?
I don't know what you are actually trying to argue.
But yeah, the whole team is acting on emotions in that scene. They aren't thinking at all.
Yes, this is what almost happens. Because Yosuke is pushing for it. Until you yell at him to stop, while thinking rationally about it - Yu is the only one in the scene doing so. The entire tone changes after everyone calms down, and they start thinking again.
She is not thinking rationally when she suggests that they murder a guy.
Akihiko's design is fucking stupid, and he gives Kanji shit for wearing his jacket over his shoulders and tells him to take it off because he can't fight with it on, meanwhile he's got this fucking dumb red cloak on
Mitsuru looks like a character from The Matrix
Yukari's shit... let's not even talk about it
>Yes, this is what almost happens. Because Yosuke is pushing for it. Until you yell at him to stop, while thinking rationally about it - Yu is the only one in the scene doing so. The entire tone changes after everyone calms down, and they start thinking again.
But Yosuke even says "if you want to leave you can, but I know I can't let this bastard live". if he was truly not thinking rationally he'd just attack him right away
I've played P4U for a few hours, and now I'm convinced that I suck.
Please, I need a coach. Or, at least, a training partner.
My PSN is Frosteleon, so plz add. And if you think you want to help more then message me and I'll drop in my skype and shit.
Just please, I'm tired of sucking.
Except shadows are more evolved and stuff. They have forms; kegare just kind of stood there. Kegare is like, the base element of a shadow but the shadows aren't just kegare walking around
If you hit kegare with a sword, Im sure you would end up fighting some shitty looking hulk hogans too.
Remember what it looked like when the Kegare took over Genji?
Its the same thing that happened to Namatame.
If they were thinking that rationally, would you still say no one else would have suggested it? It's pretty blindingly obvious.
I'm not really sure what anyone is trying to argue. The entire point of the scene was how easy it is to pin the blame on something and escape without learning the whole truth. Namatame had at that point killed someone close to them, and then his Shadow basically comes out and says "And I'll do it again, and the police can't stop me," which is basically true.
Literally everyone in the scene except Yu is to blame. "But X did more..." It doesn't really matter. Killing Namatame and letting him go would both end in Inaba being swallowed by the fog. The important part is that they were able to listen to reason, calm down, and think it through. Everything else is people just trying to make their favorite/least favorite character look better/worse.
Then tell me why they have that blob look when exploring dungeons. Even with the "different forms" they still are not at their full potential as they were in P1 and P2. In the older games the shadows looked like real demons and creatures from lore. Now they are just basic forms.
Regardless, they are still the same. They are the sins/atrocities/negativity of humans.
I'm just praying that this game doesn't end up like UNiEL once Xrd comes out
Then again, UNiEL wasn't promoted that much since it was import only and Atlus has put a ton of marketing money into the game
All I want is to have this game at EVO on the main stage
>Everything else is people just trying to make their favorite/least favorite character look better/worse.
The Naotofags though are the most notorious for trying to downplay or ignore her comment.
Weren't the shadows in 1/2 in their "true" demon form because Nyarly basically gave them enough power to do so? Either way they're made of the same stuff, it's just a matter of how they appear.
Shadows don't necessarily have to be sinful, atrocious or negative, they're just suppressed thoughts.
Metis and Teddie, for example, are both pretty positive.
I'm a Naotofag and I love how she acted in this scene.
P1's excuse is because they're from Maki's mind. All those shadows is because of her.
P2 is because of Philemon and Nyarlathotep's strength being at a normal. This all changes in EP when the balance is tipped and Philemon is weak as fuck. In EPP Igor mentions the shadows are beginning to change because of the hearts of man are wavering (Phily being weak). We can see this change with the kegare, and eventually in P3/4
Demons can't manifest without a buttload of shadows to aid them. Ameno and Kunino both require a ton of shadows fusing with their hosts to manifest, and likewise only an Avatar could be made of Nyx, while Kagutsuchi seeks to make his own body.
What I'm saying is basically Demons > Shadows
Even low tier ones like Slimes, Fairies, and Jack Frosts.
I'm not Adachi, though he is an incredibly handsome and intelligent man who did nothing wrong. His only crime was a society that could not handle his genius.
Of course the demon forms are more powerful than the generic hulk, jotun, maya, etc shadows. But that does not change the fact that they are the same thing. Only difference is their appearance.
True demons exist, but according to Demon Painter, they still haven't been found. Nothing we've encountered thus far in any Persona game is a true demon.
This might be a good excuse if it weren't for the fact that a. Persona games generally are shown to take place in a real world and b. Soejima said about P4 specifically that he wanted to give characters a sense of reality in their designs. The further away from reasonability you get, the less meaningful points you want to make about real society are.
>True demons exist, but according to Demon Painter, they still haven't been found. Nothing we've encountered thus far in any Persona game is a true demon.
Nyx was space rocks before it was Death.
That wasn't right when they were hit or anything. They appeared out of nowhere, then changed form, THEN attacked. I'm not saying that the shadows aren't just evolved mayas, I'm saying that the shadows grow into their forms on their own
Well Soejima can only do so much detail, and also that's probably why he didn't use it.
Well considering Persona takes place in the Amala Network and in the same timeline as Raidou and Devil Summoner: Soul Hackers I would say demons are very real and present, they just seem to magically vanish as soon as Personas get involved.
Are you saying you couldn't detect the tongue n cheek nature of the sword comment, and actually thought the argument was that lore wise they required to be bopped on the head with a piece protag-held steel?
It is, but as already said it's not an official piece of art. It's just based on one of the early Yukiko designs.
Junpei whines just about the entire game, and is an asshole to the MC.
Looking for PSN dudes to play with. I suck ass. I'm trying to learn how to play Adachi and Rise.
>tfw you can't go to the summer festival with naoto
>tfw you will never see naoto in a kimono
why did the best girl have to come so late
also, does anyone have a picture of what they say when you go to the summer festival with yukiko? i've never seen that one.
I think Chie at least wears shorts sometimes. Honestly both their designs have more than a few odd points, Yukiko most of all considering how she's supposed to be very traditional and safe-seeming, yet breaks the uniform colour scheme more than anyone else in IT. Chie's a close second.
Suns and Ai ask you out if you are on rank 2 or above with them, other girls if you are dating them, except for Rise who always asks you out.
I think only Suns and Ai had that event in vanilla though.
>Personaless Sho moveset
So why the fuck he isnt classified as a boss character?
He is almost as bad as Elizabeth.
Because the only other shadows that quickly change are the main Shadows, and they have a pretty extensive "powering up" sequence.. Saying that every single shadow does when you start a fight with them is just silly.
thanks for making me feel terrible anon
They are animated cutscenes
They are there to show what happens
They are completely divorced from mechanics and are the most accurate representation of what is actually happening
Yes this did happen.
This process is described pretty early on in the game: small shadows are attracted to big ones, and they merge into a bossform. This is what happened with Adachi and Namatame.
Why do you think they would include these cutscenes if it didn't happen? Just waste budget for shits and giggles?
>How did they turn back though?
Not answered - doesn't mean that the cutscenes didn't happen. My guess is that the megashadow was weakened enough that the smaller shadows dispersed and they un-merged.
But it was fun.
And it made people feel warm inside.
>small shadows are attracted to big ones, and they merge into a bossform. This is what happened with Adachi and Namatame.
But it's not because their forms were ones that Izanami planted inside of them. They weren't just a mass of shadows, they were their own thing.
Well then, perhaps it's the sagiri inside them, empowered by the little shadows, becoming able to physically manifest.
Regardless of the process, none of this refutes the fact that the cutscenes did literally happen
>tfw you IK a 10th dan Narukami player
>you'll always be alone and you'll never feel love like any of the persona girls
I can't help but wonder how Persona 3 fans felt about the Tatsumi Port trip, Seeing Chihiro again,voiced and all was such a shock. Being unable to explore Gekkukan and maybe spot some of P3'P's other friends was a wasted opportunity it would of been great to see Toruni again.
This is one hell of a post
P3P was released after P4.
Thats why the sports trip for FeMC went to Inaba
I am. Seems reasonable with P4GA finished. Updates on the movie used to occur consistently each month on the full moon also.
Also in that manga she literally bullies Fuuka. Pic related
Would anyone in the persona cast make it in a world of STR?
Sho's edges are sharp enough to cut through Nintendium. I love it.
Reminder that you will never fuck a demon
Oh god, that picture has like all the good ones too.
Only one missing is Cybele
All these scenes are already on YouTube. That's where the screens are from.
His primary role in the story is basically to accentuate how stupid it all is.
>give Minazuki well informed retorts
>Yeah, well, that's just, like, your opinion man
Dis nigga serious?
Minazuki, a.k.a. Plume, pretty much nailed what's wrong with P4.
>Patrick Seitz as Kagutsuchi
I keep anticipating a dad comment out of him.
As annoyingly edgy as he is, I can appreciate a character that just directly shits on all the positive morals/themes that P3/4 are built around.
Although I enjoy Adachi being that character more.
I might as well if the writers had made an effort to challenge their morals instead of just repeatedly saying the world is garbage or shit. Same with Adachi. Whom when provoked by a group of teenagers, called them dumbasses and told them to shut up.
though maybe i'm just expecting too much from writing in a video game.
That's the point though
I don't know about Sho, but Adachi was purposely like that because he's literally an adult acting like a fucking child and throwing a selfish shitfit just because he's an asshole
He's not mature enough to care to even TRY to be that clever and would rather just tell them to fuck off
Granted he does try to do it to an extent but is just like no fuck you after they poke the slightest hole in his logic, which further accentuates the point that he's literally just acting like a dumb kid
The IT called Adachi a dumbass and told him to shut up first, they completely denied everything he said. So to me it just comes across as a bunch people saying 'you're wrong' to each other. In the end though Adachi is a murderer and the villain so his argument loses out.
Sho on the other hand is a child who spent years in a coma and only came out of it not to long before settling in Inaba when the murders happen.
Wait why didn't Izanami notice him? She always passed on a power to those new to town and Adachi at least had been there for a bit.
Izanami didn't notice him because Sho was a character created for the sequel and they had to tie him into P4's plot somehow, so they just said that Sho was in Inaba all along. So basically it's an ass pull.
In the beginning of the argument Adachi makes some points which the IT completely ignores, they don't refute them at all. Then all of sudden the IT stops being dumb and starts making some sense, and then Adachi just keeps denying everything. I gotta say that it wasn't really satisfying for me to fight Adachi, felt like I was beating up some loser with my cool and friends. I don't agree with what Adachi did, but it just made me feel kinda bad I guess. Usually, you want feel like you're beating up somebody you really hate for the final boss. Maybe that was the intention in the first place, or maybe I'm just a loser for feeling some pity for Adachi.
That's the impression I had and assumed was their intent, but still leaves me disappointed. A usual misanthropic antagonist lacking much of a justified rationale behind their actions.
The accomplice ending also does not even show you the kind of world produced from your actions, and is nothing more than a bitch ending for just being his accomplice. rather disappointmenting
>Adachi makes some points which the IT completely ignores
Yeah I was hoping the IT might consider the positives of living in that kind of world. Take into consideration how they were before they faced their shadows, and resolve themselves to feel otherwise using what they've experienced that year.
Similar to what happened in December for P3. Where they're not sure how to feel after they hear the news of the apocalypse, and have scenes together reflecting on what they've experienced before coming to a decision.
Yosuke had apparently been living there for awhile. Even before Adachi arrived most likely.
Rise and Naoto didn't come till after she got her three subjects.
Well, that's the main flaw of the IT in general. Adachi is right about some generalities that the IT just totally ignores and is able to persist only because they have more people and an unshakable belief that they're doing the right thing. Problem is they have no nuance whatsoever, and never really step out of their very narrow cliche boxes except for brief moments around their initial introduction.
Not to mention that some of the 'problems' the IT pride themselves on overcoming are things like "you know, I was just leaning on this person too much" or "I was pretty self-centered for a while". Minor things compared to almost any other dysfunction a person in high school might have, but also they're dropped immediately afterward. The 'people in Inaba are interested in gossiping and the media even if it means others are dying' angle got brushed under the rug since all it took to save the day was for Yu and his friends to impress a demon or two.
Basically, it's not very well-written.
Anyone find it a little weird how often P4 characters and Labrys kept bringing out how the P3 characters show no hesitation whatsoever in battling a foe that looks like one of their friends? Labrys I can understand she's new to all of this but the IT should know better.