Happy Birthday SJ!
>Tips and tricks
>Artbook, soundtrack, manga, and other downloads
post space marines
i should do a crewmember run of SJ someday
has anyone here played with the boss exclusive demons?
(jiminez, gore, etc
Post what you think is best 2D Field/World Map Theme
Here's mine: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Go0JWfE9nEw
What did it in for me was that you had to keep backtracking from place to place and the dull empty battles, holy shit Nocturne spoiled me with those rad animations.
Still waiting. Come up here with me, and we'll fly while we wait.
Oh, we'll fly, all right... No homo
Yes. I even have a full Mother Playthrought.
Then drop it, dungeons become even more frustrating later on.
has anyone ever thought of a FPS SMT?
i'm remembering how colorful SJ was and I thought it'd be a really fun place to run around
and die inon a shooter.
I can't imagine how summoning or item mechanics would work though. Has anyone ever made an FPS with an emphasis on followers ala pikmin?
You better start asap.
I've considered making a doom mod for it.
But then I remembered I can't sprite (or do anything artistic) to save my life
pretty nice g.
did you mitama skills into all of them? if so did you ration the 6 mitamas to one demon or make a new crewmember when necessary?
When i got them they were level 1, since the base level for them is 75 or so they will level up rather fast so what i did was just give them certain skills and then change them every now and then (Wich meant grind some formas) for bosses or hard enemies.
Gore was phys, Jimenez was Gun/supprt and Zelenin mag/heal.
The mothers work the same too.
Use the pre-existing sprites? Would probably look like crap though, resized and lacking animations.
I don't think I can choose a favorite, but out of the ones I like the most Beelzebub is up there.
Purely gameplay-focused mods are also an option, you know. There's this awesome Metroid mod for Doom that was made a while back; I played it in combination with this one level mod called Back to Saturn X and it was fucking amazing.
Can I just take the entire heavenly host?
You don't like your girls well-done?
i didn't realize mine was edited, does anyone have the original?
now that you mention it.
Yeah i suppose Kaneko thought of her when redesigning her.
It was a most excellent mod. It even had a working Morph Ball mode with bombs and powerbombs, and there were missile combos too. Blowing shit away with a Wavebuster combo never got old. This is the aftermath of firing a couple of Wavebusters on a massive group of enemies.
just put the demon sprites.
hey, is the person ripping SJ textures still here? i wanna ask how that's going
i don't get it either anon
I'm liking that HUD.
I've yet to play Knee-deep in ZDoom, but I've heard good things about it. In fact, I have a lot of Doom mods to catch up on...I only recently played Plutonia. Was blown away at how good it was.
Need more of these!
Where's the rest?!
Link if you have it.
How does it happen when you choose "Proceed"?
Also, that pic is awesome.
>What I wouldn't give to see a group of cosplayers as Jack's Squad, complete with Black Demonicas.
Barong + Rangda
sorry anon, I got all these comics from /smtg/
>Having a demon waifu
I hope you guys haven't fallen so low.
That includes you Anthony.
Need more lewds of Isabeau like this. Saved.
>not having a demon waifu
You aren't ready
At least they're neutral.
Don't mind me, just grinding in Yoyogi Park, FocusShotting all these Titanias before they even spawn as reinforcements.
Have Focus up before taking out the wave, Titanias in the next wave, Divine One-Shot, auto the rest unless they're Oberon. Profit
Do we know why SM IV was delayed so long in Europe? Shits pretty ridiculous, glad I'm american.
I got it from some faggot Persona thread on /v/, only good thing that came out of it.
Does that mean chaosfags like milfs? I'm fine with that.
They like men. They're always babbling on about it.
That's the glory of Chaos, freedom! I'll take my mother goddess milfs, and you can go and ravage lawful boypussy.
Demon forms are malleable. She's all goddess now, don't be such a prude.
>sweaty and violent man
Sounds a lot like YHVH.
>chaosfags accusing the strongest entity of being violent despite their whole ideology is about strong people having the right to do violence.
>Yhvh only does just enough violence to make the peace we know today last forever anyways.
>Always referred to in the masculine
>Kneejerk reaction to worshiping the "wrong" gods is genocide
>Satan says maybe genocide is overboard
>"Insolent worm! Feel the wrath of my divine lightning and plummet into the bowels of hell, burning in its unending flames! Demons! Evil humans, who hath sold thy souls to demons!
>Liked SJs chaos ending.
>Lets all sit around punching eachother in a forest and piling up bodies in pools of blood next to our altar. We apparently don't even have enough health knowledge to know we're giving ourselves disease.
He never said that. He just said that he does indeed have a stronger 12 winged secret form.
Which IV kind of contradicts as he said his alien matador form is his "truest" form, lmao.
>Worrying about disease
>When literal gods and goddesses are nearby to provide for you
And no, they wouldn't let their worshipers suffer and die. They look after their own, humans are great sources of strength.
>And no, they wouldn't let their worshipers suffer and die.
>They look after their own
>They literally say those who are supposed to die will die in the ending.
>they talk about how this is was in the past
>the past meaning back when people died of disease
Are you right in the head, m8?
DAMN! SO MUCH MACCA AND EXP FROM THESE TITANIAS!
The Gogmagogs in White Temple will give more, and spawn with Titanias!
I wanna finish Yoyogi Park already but I can't stop myself from going on Riberama-induced killing sprees!
I'm level 58 and I still haven't fought Grimehkala yet!
No, the past meaning back when demons and humans lived together on earth. And the only diseases back then are always divine pestilences. Disease of the body and land were a reflection of humanities flaws shown in the Schwarzwelt, which the Chaos ending aimed to fix.
The point of it is that humans would go back to a primal but pure way of life, where competition and dispute are solved directly. Where the strongest are raised on a pedestal and the weak are given up in sacrifice to the gods. Not a world where most people get sick and die of dysentery regardless of personal strength.
So in other words its a completely shit world, but they pretend that its somehow okay because they pretend that the natural disasters that constantly happen are deliberate just because the gods are like "you STR, bro?" The neutral gods who don't want you to live in squalor that you pretend muscles that you could have anyways make up for seem a lot nicer.
Let's cut the shit, and get to the main point that both Law and Chaos have in common no matter what, and what Neutral never does.
>So in other words its a completely shit world
Its a utopia bro. All you need to survive and thrive is at your finger tips and all you need is the strength of will to take it.
>but they pretend that its somehow okay because they pretend that the natural disasters that constantly happen are deliberate just because the gods are like "you STR, bro?"
They would have to be deliberate. The mother goddesses are completely in tune with the land, and the only reason they would have to show their strength if if you tried to turn from the wild freedom they've provided humanity with to the cold worship of law. Much better than the land going out of control at random.
>The neutral gods who don't want you to live in squalor that you pretend muscles that you could have anyways make up for seem a lot nicer
Neutral gods are free to take up claims and have their own communities of worship. That's the beauty of freedom.
Bout time you showed up! Kept us waiting, huh?
Let me explain this more clearly.
>To Law and Chaos, mankind are just tools, used as means to their own end(ing)s.
>Neutral is bro towards all mankind, doesn't take advantage of or manipulate anybody, like Law Brainwashing or Chaos Bloodlust.
>get is mom eaten
>his dog lost
>kill your only friends
>get killed in a cave by the people that you saved
Didn't realize a new thread was up
>Even on Chaos route you couldn't get with Lilith
That was the true travesty of it all.
>Already read this copypasta
>Still get feels from it every time
Never change, Cave-in Anon.
Yup. But wouldn't you get severe STDs from her?
And would they be worth fucking Lilith and having loads of children with her?
Maybe. But you gotta take the alignments the Demonica gives them with a grain of salt.
How have to realize that what a demon's alignment is listed as isn't always congruent to how they actually are.
Mem Aleph represents ancient mother earth goddesses, so she'd be light, because they were worshiped.
For instance, Thor is Light, but he doesn't act so in SMT 1.
>Lets all sit around punching each other in a forest and piling up bodies in pools of blood next to our altar.
>not worshipping glorious Aztec gods like they intended
Just because he has tits doesn't mean he's a girl.
I think that butthurt-casual-smt-fan-anon isn't really seeing the bigger picture. A lot of people would be interested to know that a good chunk of people who get theology degrees or even participate as actual theologians are not members of the religions that the degree is for. Many of them are even atheists. What it is is that while modern analytical philosophy studies often only individual concepts, it doesn't really get into entire worldviews except in vague ways. And this is expected to be supplied elsewhere. Many nonreligious people use existentialism or continental philosophy full worldviews as a kind of replacement religion, or try to spin something else as one, but an interesting thing a lot of people such as death of god theologians do is to take the lifestyle philosophy from religions and posit that its accurate (or useful for lifestyle philosophy) even if the religion isn't literally true.
And that's the thing with all of megaten. It has a rich super-theological framework composed of not even just one, but many religions, as well as a message of having to find and accept your place in the universe. So the study of it is almost like hyper-theology and substantially useful lifestyle philosophy in that it exposes you into the inter-playing of three parallel and opposing religious and philosophical constructs designed to represent positions on things as a whole. So its useful in the way that the christian atheist finds christian theology useful.
You probably know them by the related name cultural Christians. Although cultural christian could simply mean an identity rather than a philosophy.
Demons and God in SMT are more of ideas than they are literal. They represent ideologies, where "God" is the collective, and "demons" are people willing to push forward to accomplish shit for themself. So the whole narrative of humans deciding for themselves is basically arbitrarily deciding that those ones "don't count." The demons literally say that they're born from humans wanting the ideology they give too. So killing them is literally killing human ideology. The narrative basically breaks down entirely, and it comes off like hypocritically defining certain things as alien just to not have to consider them.
beadman you might be nuts but
> it exposes you into the inter-playing of three parallel and opposing religious and philosophical constructs designed to represent positions on things as a whole.
you have a very good point, smt is probably where a lot of non japanese were first introduced to eastern religion and philosophy, the appreciation of which makes a lot of new stuff to think about.
>Phenomenology: Its offensive to point out that the subconscious exists and that people don't know why they do things, to lets just let them insist that they all know everything there is to know about their own minds.
>Existentialism: I really hate my mom, and really am obsessed with being "unique" and "living my own life" and "doing my own thing.
>Post-structuralism: I embody all the worst aspects of the two above, but also want to force other people to comply with my whims without needing real reasons for them to think they should.
i think kaneko had a certain something in mind while designing these two.
Phenomenology = Law
Existentialism = Chaos
Post structuralism= Neutral
Someone decided that that text is a meme and posts it every week now.
Also, what you're saying isn't really contradicting it, since its about themes, not about whether demons "actually exist" in universe. The demons say more than enough to get the idea that its meant to be able to interpret them both as literal and non literal beings. They say they made humans, but sometimes humans make them. They say yhvh made the universe, but also usurped it. Etc. If you interpret both versions of every contradiction as accurate, then you have to interpret it very specifically.
No, the only "creation" humanity does is through being large sources of magnetite in the form of worshipers and sacrifices. If a demon is popular with humans then said demon becomes powerful thanks to the influx of magnetite. If a large enough group of humans worship a concept then a demon will come and become the object of their worship for the power. This is the concrete relationship between demons and humans.
Sure, if you ignore that they say they'll only "exist" as long as humans believe in them, and the fact that worshiping them directly gives them power is to emphasize that their power is the power of humans who follow those ideas, in persona they directly say that they're created by the minds of humans, in iv johnathan says god exists because humans "need" a god, the metaphor makes it obvious that its referring to ideas, in iv as well as some of the remakes they say that when not manifest they "live inside human minds" as "hopes and dreams" among other things. And neutral gets away with not being seen as committing any genocides despite often genociding demons, since "that doesn't count," implying that in some sense they're meant to be seen as manifest forms of ideas.
Yes, there's a ton of things that emphasize that they actually exist too. But how independent their existence is is up for grabs, especially since even if in game they have some its obviously still meant to be obvious that to the player they're from the player's perspective metaphors for ideas, and the people who follow them, not just random aliens that "do shit." So this leaves the issue that one might be lying, or that you have to find a way to rationalize that both interpretations are somehow accurate. Which is possible to do in the same way that it can be possible that yhvh is the creator, but also an usurper, if not that one of those is merely a side lying to you.
In my opinion Ouroboros was much easier boss than Asura. Then again, as soon as I got immunity from stone I never took it off because that's the most BS way to die in that game.
Demons with bomb ailment ambushing you is another but that's way more rare than instagib petrification
ouroboros is a fucking asshole, try dantalian or any demon that has null phys or can reflect magic
Debuff it and wish for luck with reflecting. I think its weak to fire, so if you can get an alignment team to spam fire you're somewhat better off. Good luck!
every boss from it on is just as hard
the SJ textures would go a long way in doom, I think, even if they were the wrong resolution.
but the music is great and the fights aren't that hard. I enjoyed solving the teleport puzzles too
until I hit a point where I needed to find a secret door and got stuck for a looooooong time
>So this is the reward
>this kills the player
the soundtrack sounds like it might not work too well with a fast paced FPS
i googled around and found these
they go together strangely
kaneko's nadja design doesn't look like lilim
I loved SJ Law. Zelenin and the angel's involvement was cool, powerful agents acting in deep enemy territory. The Law choices seemed pretty natural to choose, and Zelenin was a lot more likable than whiny baby Jimenez and she was cute as hell. Also recruiting Demiurge on a Law playthrough is cool as shit.
And the ending is the perfect mix of creepy, alien and yet utopian. It gave me the feeling that I was putting Law back on its feet, and turning everyone's plans on their head.
>the last female smt protag was made one of the developer's canon waifu
In IS, whenever Tamaki is like GOSH WHY DID I EVER FALL FOR THIS GUY :))))
I'm just disgusted and think, because he wrote you that way...
i remember seeing an angel wearing a mask like this
does anyone know what inspired mastema's design? it looks really, really familiar, i feel like i've seen something like it at an orthodox church or around one
I know but the redesigns do share some similarities.
if male tamaki wanted to be canon, he shouldve been a waifu
Shin Megami Tensei: if...: Protagonist
Shin Megami Tensei: if... Hazama's Chapter: Playable Character
Shin Megami Tensei: Kahn: Male protagonist as Nobu
Megami Ibunroku Persona: Minor Character
Persona 2: Innocent Sin: Minor Character
Persona 2: Eternal Punishment: Minor Character
Shin Megami Tensei x Fire Emblem
>the last female smt protag
Lucifer has said he's had a truest form before.
Don't believe his bullshit when he says he has a true form. Unless you basically learn of it from other sources he won't admit to it, just like Mara won't admit to being a girl unless you already know.
Jimenez was my bro.
Zelenin was Mastema's pawn.
After Grendel tells you that she's a goddess and she learned that you know.
Guy from the other day that was looking for the guy that does crazy SMT challenges. Found his channel if anyone else is interested. This one is him beating Satan in 2 turns
I think you are right, she mentions something about SM thinking he spected a beautiful Goddess or something (You even have a choice there i think). However i think thats only in the chaos path since in the law you get information about her by Seraph.
Whatever the ammount Raidou 2 or Nocturne had, i dont really like too many demons like 4 or SJ had given most of them were usellss and i was pretty much forced to collect them.
I don't think it could even if my life depended on it
Decided to pop in my copy of DeSu OC after a year of not playing it... I'm pretty proud of what I did
I have to say I like his art. He even has a Asherah pic on his twitter.
Though while he likes some designs I don't from IV, he at least doesn't drawn the shittiest design, which is Lucifers first form.
>That feel when you cant draw to save your life.
I wish i was a drawfag.
Me to bro
I just want to be able to draw lucifer family portraits
You have a link to the artist's twitter? I just saved that pic from the booru
I also wish I could draw.
Then I could draw art of my favorite designs that don't have much of it.
This artist really likes the Zoroastrian ones.
Has his website and his twitter. His pixiv one has a really huge image of the Zoroastrian demons together.
Whoever drew this is pretty good.
Yeah I like that one a lot. I want an updated one with Hikaru even though she would clearly be the bastard child of the bunch
What alignment are you? There are many good Law Demons that you can use to beat Ouroboros.
I suggest to grind to level 49, just solo with MC and it shouldnt take too long.
I don't know if it's even possible to make a recruit system in RPG Maker, much less fusion, but making SMT dungeons with this first-person script is pretty fun.
Woah, one could make an easy SMT engine in RPG Maker with those scripts and the first-person one I'm using.
But I'm not really interested in them, I just wanted to use those SMT textures and maybe recreate a simple dungeon.
Trying to recreate Strange Journey dungeons is not easy, though. Like I explained in the last thread, there are very few wall and ground textures, with many sprites and effects pasted over them.
Recreating SMT1 and SMT2 would be a lot easier, and I know Canzah ripped the PS1 textures, but I cannot find them anywhere.
Because ATLUS knows they just have to copy the current P3&4 formula and they will sell those games forever.
At this rate the only things they will improve are waifus and slice of life aspects.
I know, but I just want it better to justify it more. I do like how it helps with the whole persona obtaining and vice-versa, but it just needs to be better. if you're gonna add a bunch of side characters, make at least 80% of their little stories enjoyable
It would be even better if major character development wasn't relegated to little side stories and was instead say, tied to plot events or something. Leave all the little extra details like their fetishes, dreams etc for the social links, but major development and character arcs should not be shoved to the side. Considering Persona games are so character-centric, it made zero sense for Persona 4 to do a total backflip and suddenly tie 3/4 of a character's development to their social links. It made even less sense when you realised that none of the development that occured during their social links was brought up at any time during the story at all.
I have only ripped three Fornax textures (ground, wall1, wall2), and most don't even look nice for a texture replacement in, let's say, Doom.
It's really easy to do it yourself, though.
You only need a Strange Journey rom and Tinke.
Open the SJ rom with Tinke, go to Data > Dungeon > Model, select any .nsbmd file (the only viewable files in that folder anyway) and select View.
Then you will see two scrolling menus on the right, Texture and Palette. Keep looking through the Texture list (the palette is selected automatically) to view them. You can extract via Save Texture or screen print.
Notice how they are sorted by prefixes. "d0#" are sectors, so "d01" is Antlia, "d02" is Bootes, etc. "d09" is Jack Squad HQ.
"dim2", "dim3", "dk01", "dk02" and "dk03" are Phase Shift textures.
Needless to say "elev" is Elevators, "exit" is the Red Sprite image in every sector's entrance, "term" is Terminals and "title" is the snow and ship textures in the title and intro.
Tinke is a Spanish program, so it'll probably be in Spanish by default, but it has English and French too in the Languages menu.
They are really rare. You could try to estoma have a lvl 70 average, but you'd properly just run into Samaels.
Demifiend victory depends on how lucky you are more than anything so don't sweat maxing out everything
You might actually still be able to work around that. Do Cielo and Argilla have 99 MA, or will they by the time they hit lvl 99? If so, just have them deal damage via Celestial Ray/Last Word instead.
To be fair, the only stats you NEED at 99 are VI/MA for the extra defense and magic defense, since the higher those stats are the less damage of that type you take. 99 LU is actually almost detrimental for Cielo, because one of the "easiest" strategies used for beating Demi-fiend involves having Cielo put to sleep before Gaea Rage. The other involves locking down his Pixie/Arahabaki with buff/debuff spam, skipping the Mediarahan and preventing all but the first Gaea Rage. Of course, the latter strategy is incredibly MP-heavy so Somas and Chakra Pots/Great Chakras will be your friends.
Setanta is clearly the best demon.
I actually just farmed 40 luck incesnse, and by my calculations I should have max stats by 99 for Agrilla and Cielo. I'm gonna monitor cielos gains before I dump all of his luck, I was unaware that luck was not great for him. He has 76 atm. I have a surplus of hp incense, everyone will have max health.
Thanks for the tips
Well, hopefully I'll get lucky ;_;
No love for our fair maiden here?
But yeah, Setanta is a bro. Cu Chullain even more so.
Luck isn't really that good for anyone, depending on what strategy you use. The method I used was the one that involved stalling Pixie/Arahabaki by forcing them to dispel buffs and debuffs every turn, thus burning Pixie's MP down to nothing. You can keep Arahabaki locked down for the entire fight by repeatedly casting a buff on yourself, forcing it to spend it's turn casting Dekaja. This method ensures one Gaea Rage only, unless you fuck up.
The normal method is a lot tougher and a lot more reliant on luck, since you'll have to survive many Gaea Rages. This is where LU comes into it, since lower LU means a higher chance for Dormina to stick, which means you'll be able to Null Sleep your way through Gaea Rage.
No matter what method you try, the first part of the battle is the hardest by far. Surviving UNTIL that first Gaea Rage hinges on exactly how sadistic Demi-fiend is feeling, and whether or not Girimekhala's Mamudoon sticks. After that first phase of the fight is over, it's (kinda sorta almost maybe) smooth-ish sailing. Good luck.
>not liking based kamen rider monster art
fuck you guys
Just found this guy in Eridanus TOP.
He's a bro. Just there to learn shit and write stuff down. Wants me to go map sector floors for an EX Mission.
His design is great too. All those heads...
How quick is she gonna kill me this time?
2nd phase. Oh, boy, Disaster Cycle!
It doesn't fit the SMT aesthetic. Though some are better than others.
>Wave of Death
WHAT IS THIS SHIT?!
WHAT THE FUCK!
>Survive it, "luckily"
>Next turn Bead Chain
>Space Marine stoned
Yup. So that must mean there's 4 trailers left.
>hasn't played SMT4
have you played Etrian Odyssey 1?
it's SORTA like that. fantasy-ish setting. 'lets explore a dungeon!' you get deeper and deeper and then OH SHIT IT'S TOKYO.
and then the real game begins.
the sky tree goes up into the bedrock canopy, and it's part of the dungeon connecting tokyo and mikado.
I have about 70% of the game spoiled but I somehow managed to avoid this part. Thanks anyway.
wait, did you care about spoiling that?
i can't tell if i just ruined the mystery for you.
i did use spoiler tags, so i don't feel that guilty.
sorry that you're european and publishers do a shit job of taking care of your market for these things. i hope you do enjoy it if it does come out for you.
No, don't worry, I was actually surprised I've never bumped into that piece of info. You were nice anon thanks again.
Hey SMTG I have what might be a weird request, I am making an SMT RPG as in a table top RPG, usually I would take anything related to that to /tg/ but I have something SMTG might help me with, is there any big file with the portraits of every or atleast a bigh portion of the games demons maybe ripped from persona or Strange journey I would rather not download every image from the wiki and some demons I think dont have images.
Thanks in advance for any help have some Demi-fiend
>Something about Break Record
>tfw someone saved my pic
Feels good man!
And your goal is admirable as fuck. Wish I could help, really.
>big file with the portraits of every or atleast a big portion of the games demons maybe ripped from Persona or Strange Journey
>an SMT RPG as in a table top RPG
Will there be unique ways to die a la Nethack or Zork? I know they aren't tabletop, but come on, the dev teams put tons of detail into those games
I have never beaten Shiva OR Vishnu in DDS2 I can't stop going on Riberama-induced Titania killing-sprees in Yoyogi Park in Nocturne. I'm still in the first area of the teleport maze for fuck's sake.
Grinding to max out my demons so I can rank them up with Elements
>Unique ways to die
well i was thinking of implementing demon betrayal so if you are a dick (or not enough of a dick demons are fucking finicky) the demon might try to shank you or blow up your comp. Also a shit load of fusion aftereffects or malfunctions. I dont know if those are nethack level since the most memorable death i had in nethack was polymorphin into a blind creature then accidently falling down the stairs
Will this be Break Record Bonus Boss?
I am a man of wealth and taste, does that count, Son of Man?
Not the same anon
But of course, Son of Man!
Occasionally, when the mood strikes me, also a Lady of Standards.
I chose him well, here, did I not?
I'm sorry. Lucy is busy on account of ME having raped her senseless!
I can take a message for her, if you'd like.
Or you can tell it to her IN HELL!
Damn it Nyarly who the hell keeps letting you out of your cage? Actually, don't answer that. I don't wanna hear whatever contrived answer you'll come up with.
He did. I love doing Nyarly posts like these.
Nice to have an excuse to type like a large ham, which is exactly what Nyarly is.
Shut up Not Nyarly. You aren't even a decent ripoff of the real deal in Ultimax. Hell you rely on Minazuki to come up with all the schemes while taking the credit.
This isn't FeMC or Trinity Soul.
>that feel when you beat DDS1 about 30 minutes ago
I can't escape my hunger for long, soon I'll have to get started on the next one
It took me a fair few tries to actually get that screenshot so that it wasn't a blurry mess.