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In that case, it's just as free as Law, since you can overthrow YHVH if you don't like it.
Chaos is literally the same as Law, except Law has YHVH as the strongest, and because of that he enforces his will.
So why do Devil Survivor fans complain about Yuzu so much?
She seems pretty cool to me.
Chaos ultimately leads to Law. The idea of survival of the fittest, that the strongest who remains will rule is how Law takes shape. Then Chaos goes against it until it becomes the new Law.
Think of the pigs in Animal Farm.
>Humans are Law
>Pigs and other animals are Chaos
>Pigs overthrow humans using other animals
>Pigs become new Law
>Other animals plan to overthrow pigs
Continuing from last thread:
While I will agree that charity is a personal choice, that doesn't mean that not performing charity is okay.
Capitalism requires the accumulation of wealth, while Jesus seems to want people to give as much as they can.
A poor widow came, and she cast in two small brass coins, which equal a quadrans coin. He called his disciples to himself, and said to them, "Most certainly I tell you, this poor widow gave more than all those who are giving into the treasury, -Mark 12:42-12:43
Plus, Jesus' disciples seemed to be collectivist. As they were touched by the Holy Spirit, they were presumably following what Jesus' teachings.
The multitude of those who believed were of one heart and soul. Not one of them claimed that anything of the things which he possessed was his own, but they had all things in common. With great power, the apostles gave their testimony of the resurrection of the Lord Jesus. Great grace was on them all. For neither was there among them any who lacked, for as many as were owners of lands or houses sold them, and brought the proceeds of the things that were sold, and laid them at the apostles' feet, and distribution was made to each, according as anyone had need. -Acts 4:32-4:35
We are not meant to pick and choose where our money goes and feel satisfied that we did good works, but to serve each other. While it isn't required, if we do not personally feel compelled to act in this way, than we are not doing it right.
Lol. Christianity has pressured people, sometimes by law, to conform with their precepts for thousands of years. Don't be mad that Jesus at least wanted it to be for good reasons,instead of someone putting their penis near another man's asshole.
As for the rest of your post, if you don't think poor people are exploited you are clearly retarded, so its not worth addressing. There's a reason that "the working class" is a synonym for poor. Money is just abstract numbers. Controlling the flow of numbers to divert more to yourself, since you own a business and have the power to pay people less then they are worth is not "freedom." If you want to be a selfish person who doesn't care about anyone but yourself its fine, but don't drag Jesus into it.
>While I will agree that charity is a personal choice, that doesn't mean that not performing charity is okay.
You can think of it as being okay or not okay as much as you want. As long as you don't impose that worldview on people through forceful means.
>Capitalism requires the accumulation of wealth, while Jesus seems to want people to give as much as they can.
Whether accumulation of wealth happens or not is up to individuals who decide whether they want to hoard or not. Jesus was an individual who believed in charity, and not in accumulation, because he believed that was the way to enter the kingdom of God.
Now, from the perspective of getting people to be worthy of the Kingdom of god, it's utterly pointless to forcefully redistribute wealth, whether it is through government or society's coercion, since that does not magically make every man believe that he must share all he has with everyone else. It just makes him do that, since he has no other choice.
As I said before, it's morally empty.
>"Most certainly I tell you, this poor widow gave more than all those who are giving into the treasury, -Mark 12:42-12:43
This has to do with a rejection of authority.
>For neither was there among them any who lacked, for as many as were owners of lands or houses sold them, and brought the proceeds of the things that were sold, and laid them at the apostles' feet, and distribution was made to each, according as anyone had need. -Acts 4:32-4:35
AKA a group of individuals who freely decided to live collectively.
They did not impose or coerce anyone to live as they did. The only people who did so were those who were convinced by their moral arguments.
>While it isn't required, if we do not personally feel compelled to act in this way, than we are not doing it right.
Compelling others through coercion into acting this way is also not doing it right.
Does smtg like Tactics Ogre? I think i liked the alignments more in that game than in SMT games.
This isn't alignments. Its a retard arguing for anarcho capitalism,and saying that its what Jesus would have wanted. We can dub him yosugan to make it seem more relative to the board, I guess.
>“True Demon Run Matador Battle” might be one of the most horrific phrases in the video game lexicon, but it’s only one of several tough-as-nails instances in this mother-of-all demonic dungeon crawls.
Has this person even played Nocturne? TDE has no impact on Matador.
>Christianity has pressured people, sometimes by law, to conform with their precepts for thousands of years. Don't be mad that Jesus at least wanted it to be for good reasons,instead of someone putting their penis near another man's asshole.
As expected from a leftist. We were speaking about Jesus' personal worldviews, not about what Christianity as a whole did.
But by all means, attempt to distort my argument.
>As for the rest of your post, if you don't think poor people are exploited you are clearly retarded, so its not worth addressing.
Oh certainly they are opressed. By corporativist governments, and the companies which benefit from them. Not by the market, or by capitalism itself.
>There's a reason that "the working class" is a synonym for poor.
Yes, that reason is that the left is too retarded to realize that work is not exclusive to manual labor.
>Money is just abstract numbers.
Oh my fucking god, you did not just say that.
Jesus fucking Christ. Are you serious?
You're the reason countries around the world are suffering from inflation, you fuckhead.
>you own a business and have the power to pay people less then they are worth is not "freedom."
And yet, when I asked you about it, you were unable to explain to me how exactly this innate value of people's work exists.
Again, tell me more about this magical value that exists independently from the value that other people are willing to pay them for their work.
>If you want to be a selfish person who doesn't care about anyone but yourself its fine, but don't drag Jesus into it.
Heretic pls go, and take your tumblr-tier rhetoric with you.
You can't reason with these people. You tell them to fuck off and they retort with the standard "nice ad homenim I guess you can't refute my points and need to resort to namecalling, looks like I won this argument" garbage. It'e best to just ignore them.
I'm simply refuting what the retarded anarcho-syndicalist/anarcho-communist is saying.
If you're not him, I apologize, but I must.
If you are, kindly quit this bullshit so I won't have to keep proving you wrong.
You should, great game but play the PSP port.
Well. That person is a Jew. And we all know that Jews = Mastema
Don't worry anon, I'm quite done.
He has resorted to kindergarten-tier arguments, and attempts to distort what I said. So clearly, continuing this is a waste of time, since he doesn't even know anything about his own ideology.
I apologize for cluttering the general.
So basically /smtg/ is now angry discussions general?
I mean, shit, every thread now we get this shit, whether it's arguing about Nocturne's endings, /smtg/ vs /mtg/ and now /pol/-lite.
Come on, faggots, get along.
>Whether accumulation of wealth happens or not is up to individuals who decide whether they want to hoard or not. Jesus was an individual who believed in charity, and not in accumulation, because he believed that was the way to enter the kingdom of God.
I thought we were arguing about Christianity here. I don't know what religion your talking about where Jesus' teaching are guidelines and not words to live by.
>Now, from the perspective of getting people to be worthy of the Kingdom of god, it's utterly pointless to forcefully redistribute wealth, whether it is through government or society's coercion, since that does not magically make every man believe that he must share all he has with everyone else. It just makes him do that, since he has no other choice.
As I said before, it's morally empty.
Who said anything about forced redistribution? I'm just saying that a Christian should feel compelled to give what they have because of personal need to help others.
I'm not against wealth redistribution though, even without money we can find ways to serve our fellow man.
>Yes, that reason is that the left is too retarded to realize that work is not exclusive to manual labor.
I'm not actually the same guy, but of course people like managers are workers, they just don't deserve more money than the people working under them.
I know right? He claims victory despite providing no justification for his beliefs.
Best DDS girl and second best DDS boy deserved to be together, shame how everything turned out in the end though.
Its 99% P4. Don't even get me started on their waifu faggotry. Its always fucking Chie.
I have a friend who goes there to shitpost. Something about Nocturne related, don't remember, I'm not going to that place ever.
>I don't know what religion your talking about where Jesus' teaching are guidelines and not words to live by.
Exactly. Religion. Not government.
Religion is a choice, government is not, and neither is group coercion.
I'm not the one extrapolating Jesus' teachings to force other people to live by them, if they don't actually believe in them.
>Who said anything about forced redistribution?
Redistribution through group coercion is still forced, even without a government to do it.
There's nothing wrong with distributing what you personally have out of a moral code.
There's everything wrong with imposing that moral code on others, especially when coercion goes against that same moral code.
>I'm not actually the same guy, but of course people like managers are workers, they just don't deserve more money than the people working under them.
Enjoy living in a broken country. But naturally that will not satisfy you from a moral point of view, so think of it this way.
The value of work is simply the value that people are willing to pay for it.
Whether people "deserve" or not is irrelevant, since your moral code is not the thing which will determine how much people will pay for a certain thing.
Merit is a completely irrelevant concept when it comes to the value of work, because it is utterly subjective.
I admit that I'm the kind of asshole who's gotta have the last word. Regardless of what happens, I don't think anything else can come out of the conversation.
So how about them Megatens?
>You a funny nigga.
But adachi's reactions are clearly meant to represent mild autism. He can act plausibly normal sometimes, but spergs when things don't go his way. Whatever the fuck his name is halfway through was definitely a more full blown autist.
>But adachi's reactions are clearly meant to represent mild autism.
I just started Soul Hackers and I'm 8 hours in. I feel like I fucked up in 2 places. The first is my name. The handle I gave the protag was "Nexus" and there's some dude in the Spookies named Six and its too close to Nexus.
Second was saying that sexy defines Nemissa so I got the electricity and almighty shit instead of my preferred fire and expel.
Should I restart?
I just started playing Nocturne, holy shit
what the fuck. Don't do this to me game. don't you fucking do...goddamit I think I actually LIKE midori. She's dumb as a sack of hammers but I can't hate her Spider-man-esque philosophy
Yeah, she's not that bad. She's represented as naive, but look at it this way. While everyone else is sitting around being selfish, either explicitly by fucking people over,or implicitly by only protecting themselves, she goes out to help people, and has fun doing it. It would have been a reasonable and highly respectable plan if not for that she was too naive to make sure it didn't blow up on her. She's one of the more dateable people in-series once you get past her naivete. When you consider that the characters are all young, a few years could fix that in her anyways possibly. And if she likes cosplay she no doubt loves games or anime too. Enough to have a sense of humor about wanting to be a magical girl.
Can we take a minute and talk do what we do do best: talk shit.
Apparently r/megaten linked us again.
I loved sword fusion. For some reason I actually like the main character not being able to do magic. Sword fusion helped overcome the not having an element weakness. Guns combined with an ice or electric sword was all I needed.
I liked Midori too for the same reason. It is kind of rare for someone in a Megaten game to gain power and decide to do good with it instead of pushing everyone around. I actually liked her voice once I got used to it because it was kind of hilarious and fit her well.
Haru a best.
I googled it just to make sure but "True Demon Run Matador Battle” was never used outside of that review and its reposts, as expected.
How come people can get paid to make up completely useless clickbait bullshit about games they never played but not to write insightful and useful essays about games they actually played in-depth?
and unlike Yuzu she's not whining all the time about wanting to go home.
I can respect
>I HAVE TO HELP PEOPLE
a hell of a lot more than
>Haru a best.
Im currently debating either Haru or Amane. Amane seems pretty reasonable as far as LAW fags go and seems to be challenging me to accomplish something big.
>Im currently debating either Haru
Into the trash you go.
I wish. Yaoi is all aimed at girls, so its always like pages on pages of talking and S-senpai, N-no, followed by two panels of sex and then more talking.
I did learn however that a reason girls like it so much is that its one of the few porn types that is aimed pretty much exclusively at girls.
yes but Amane isn't a shit human being who whines all day every day
>She's at least not as pretentious.
She's even more pretentious. She talks so polite to the point that it's actually condescending.
>And she's kind of cute.
She looks just like him.
And that's cute. Politeness is much better than "rarg do what I say or I'll throw a tantrum and have you executed because I'm a spoiled brat"
DeSu2 would be better if Miyako completely replaced Yamato.
Condescending politeness isn't cute.
>rarg do what I say or I'll throw a tantrum and have you executed because I'm a spoiled brat
That's actually more like Miyako's characterization. She gets really angry when the party doesn't do what she says. Even one of her skills is called "Public Execution" and she has a meltdown in a terminal later in the game.
Yamato rarely got angry and never executed or used excessive force against anybody.
That's because he's the boss of JPs and its the middle of a crisis situation, you stupid fuck. He actually lets you get away with a surprisingly large amount of shit. You can more or less openly betray him on the last days and he still lets you sleep there until you fight him. Do you want him to blow you while you're at it?
He never did that. Not even once. He even lets Makoto's treason slide because he found her useful.
He's also the leader of a spiritual military organization. Being a hardass is completely necessary.
>is it worth to keep playing?
it's pretty cool yeah. 2 IS is the big story champ though
>He's also the leader of a spiritual military organization.
i find it amusing how so many people seem to forget this when crying about how what a big old meanie he is. 99% his being "mean" was a lot nicer than what you'd find in an actual rl military. hopefully those people never enlist.
Because it's absolutely hilarious that you paint him as some grizzled veteran who takes nobody's shit but he's still a teenager. It's completely unrealistic for him to be in charge of anything
This is a pretty retarded complaint. Yes, we know that Japanese rpgs made under the assumption that a lot of kids play them make characters younger than they realistically should be based on how they act. But it doesn't change that someone in his position would act way more harsh than he actually does, but that you're still bitching about it as if it was too hard.
Did you have a military dad? Are you acting out about anything that reminds you of him?
She doesn't do her job well, either. It's also a part of her character development. She even unlocks Sandalphon.
It's even apparent in their names. Yamato is the entirety of Japan and the soul of the Japanese people. Miyako is a mere capital.
Miyako doesn't have Yamato's possessive yandere traits so it's doubtful she would. She doesn't really care about you for most of the game. She decides to follow you in the end only because she sees everyone else's faith in you.
This is true and it's emphasized in Break Record. Break Record spoilers ahead.
In Break Record they end up having to fight the Triangulum against Miyako's orders because of incompetence on her end.
In fact, the incompetence causes Makoto to resort to stepping out of line and taking charge over Miyako's orders several times to give some Yamato-style orders that she learned from him. Makoto becomes rather attached to Miyako and wants to help her based on what she's learned from Yamato.
Unlike Yamato, Miyako won't admit her subordinates suck and refuses to let the group fight the Triangulum. She uses the excuse "because you're civilians" but it's because she knows they'd eventually find out that she's up to something, which they do without being even a day there. She only keeps them around so she can sacrifice them for her plan later, and thanks to Alcor being a huge faggot retard, she fully knows who they are.
When they go on the run from Miyako and get Yamato back, shit starts running smoothly. He even continues leading the group when she joins you despite her not stepping down from JP's because he's simply a stronger leader.
It's amusing to see people who haven't played the game praise Miyako for things she's worse at than Yamato, or hate him for traits he doesn't have but she does. I'd say it's deliberate if I didn't know that waifufags are prone to that kind of stupidity.
Which is better in MT2, Lucifer's Sword or the Hinokagutsuchi? The Lucifer's Sword has 80 power and does 1-8 hits and the Hinokagutsuchi has 97 power with 2 hits. Lucifer's sword also has a slightly higher crit rate apparently.
It doesn't even have new characters. If they wanted to make a new game at least add enough new characters to make it seem like you're not shitting directly in our mouths. One new character makes it obvious that you just never gave a shit.
This is incorrect. Miyako is actually barely in the plot until closer to the end of the game because you're mostly on the run from her.
All characters have a lot of new fate events and the events are very long. The old characters have a tonne of time.
As someone who has actually played the game and wrote up the spoilers above, you're wrong. I'd say Io has far more lines than both Miyako and Alcor. You also don't see Alcor much until the end of the game.
Then why even bother including them? That's what I don't like about BR; its plot is so focused on a few characters that the ones who are minor just feel out of place and pointless. At least DeSu2's original story had the pretext of "oh no my friends are trapped in tokyo" shit before the "now we're part of a massive organization" thing
so is there a trick to the auction cuz I can't help but feel Im paying out the ass when i shouldn't need too
Not really. The amount you generally have to pay to know for sure you'll win is only marginally lower than the buy now price. Since that's all you use money for, they don't want you to have infinite access to the best demons for free.
He ran into Miyako and caused her to realize she's half Triangle, leading her to imprisoning him in her zany scheme of making him a true Administrator and turning herself and the other Triangles into his Swords.
At the cost of killing the characters.
Miyako is just "there" as a plot device. You completely forget about her until it's time to fight her.
Come to think of it, I think I remember somebody trying to push similar ideas on here as you the day the game came out in Japan in attempt to get people riled up.
The retarded little dipshit gets himself kidnapped and thrown into a torture device because he was too naive and trusting of her. Thankfully he gets hell for this from Yamato because not only did he put the group in huge danger and screw things up really bad, he left Yamato alone and confused in the Akashic Stratum to nearly die for god knows how long and by extension almost lose the MC for good.
She's important as a plot device for the characters to run from, but she's barely present until the end of the game.
And yes, I do own the game, hence why I know these spoilers in the depth that I do.
That's not that far out there. Just a picture of the box an an smtg timestamp is plenty. Hell, even just a picture of the box would be fine.
It's really easy to take plot summaries from gamefaqs or neogaf or whatever gaming forum is hot these days
It's far out there when I don't own shit like a smartphone to easily upload to the internet.
I don't know why you'd think I'm lying, yet not them. I haven't said anything inflammatory as opposed to the other person trying to make Miyako out as the next Marie.
No, Miyako just sounds like a bad character who steals the spotlight from all the better characters. It doesn't help I'm one of the few people who actually liked Ronaldo.
That really sucks. Wonder if ATLUS would release them in some other form as a package or something. Or at least someone could put them up for download somewhere and have some sort of Japanese cell phone emulator.
I want to play the DDS prequel and Soul Hackers sequel dammit!
I would love if someday ATLUS made a SMT game with the usual law, chaos and neutral routes but with a direct sequel that would allow us to play the routes we got further showing us deeper what our actions brought to the world of the game.
Wonder if someday ATLUS will make something like that, i hate that their sequels select an ending.
Well here's my shitty pictures. Hope you're happy. I'm >>98435640, >>98436554, >>98436787, >>98437398, >>98437705
She is a bad character, but Ronaldo does get quite a bit of time. She doesn't steal the spotlight too much until you fight her.
Ronaldo also gets along with Yamato enough now to lead a plan to get into the Mt.Fuji terminal. It goes pretty well until Daichi screws up because he had to take a piss.
No, retard. English version is a Record Breaker trying to break records of being the shittiest translation in a game with shittiest voice actors. They're going to make Guinness.
Nice e-peen, hope you're happy that you can show off on an anonymous imageboard. There was really no reason to deliver only because of some baiting retard.
Is the Arrange Soundtrack the only thing you got?
Yes, I do know what a plot device is. She's barely a character and is only in there as an excuse for conflict. It becomes even more apparent when her "character development" was like flipping a switch and when she forced herself into other people's fate events at the end of the game it was unnatural as hell because the writers clearly didn't know what to do with her after her use was up.
>Daichi screws up because he had to take a piss
I said it before and i will say it again: DeSu 2 is the P4 of the DeSu series.BR looks as shitty fanservice drivel as P4G.
Does Airi get to do anything cool
>Yes, I do know what a plot device is.
No, you don't.
>She's barely a character
As much as every other character in the game.
>only in there as an excuse for conflict
As much as Yamato and Ronaldo are just excuses for conflict in Sep.
>It becomes even more apparent when her "character development" was like flipping a switch and when she forced herself into other people's fate events at the end of the game it was unnatural as hell because the writers clearly didn't know what to do with her after her use was up.
She has more "character development than most other characters, it isn't really unnatural at all just overdone.
I'm glad that the board is back to normal. You had me worried for a bit, smtg.
>She has more "character development than most other characters
And it all happens in the span of a couple scenes. It was forced as hell. She goes from mysterious and emotionless to a big crybaby after you defeat her like you turned a light on and off. There was nothing natural about that at all.
To be fair, Yamato also has a few moments of nearly crying too.
The twins are supposed to become more compassionate people, and "human-like"
and in Miyako's case that just happens to be literal.
It was obvious that she did have emotions right from the start.
Forced is another buzzword I don't like. You could say that Yamato suddenly turning best guy of them all forced, the whole ending they work with forced, Ronaldo being the representative of the shittiest new ending forced etc. Fact is that most characterization happens in the "span of a couple scenes".
There's really no reason to isolate Miyako and focuse on her with criticism on the writing because it lacks quality overall.
At least he composes himself before he could dump his gay angst on you out in the open for the world to see. She just lets it all go unprovoked in a terminal of all fucking places.
The direction Yamato went in was the most predictable thing in the game.
Yamato was only less jarring and has the better end of it because he had the longer Septentrione story for development as well.
They tried to shove two whole stories worth of development onto her, plus she's a girl so there's no stigma if she cries in front of people so they went ahead and had her do it.
Whether people find sobbing annoying is a personal thing.
It should already be obvious that he was actually a really nice guy and only wanted what he thought was best for humanity. That's not even a spoiler. He was just fucked up for various reasons.
it would be much easier to take him and his plight seriously if he wasn't wearing that silly hoodie
There's a point where he starts getting super emotional after you save him and his voice starts cracking and everything, you have to say his name for him to compose himself before he goes overboard.
He was going to have a scene in front of everybody if you said nothing.
And there's also Saiduq's Bunny Becoming Admin route, when he's the only one who sees through Saiduq's lies he approaches in disbelief then suddenly rushes off after you reply to him.
Saiduq shat his pants and was left speechless and feeling very sad for him, so presumably he ran off to cry like a little bitch.
So he's a crybaby too.
Its that time again. Roll for which devil survivor character wuld u fuck.
0: Yuzu. You'll have to deal with her deciding you're in a relationship forever and obsessing whether or not you want it.
1: Airi. she gets angry a little easy. She has good sex, but you have to risk her mentality taking her to strange places.
2: Midori. She'll act a little crazy during, but not in a fun way. If you stay with her she'll eventually get better at great sex.
3: Miyako. She will wear those yellow boots during. If you convince her you're worth it she'll stay.
4: Fumi. She doesn't care about you at all. You have no guarantee she'll even want to see you again or won't use you as an experiment.
5: Io. She's not interesting.
6: Mari she's older than you and is experienced, but will plan on making a life with you and you'll have to face that she'll be getting old while you're still young.
7: amane. She's smart and would be great outside of sex, but its a gamble as to whether she will be or will learn good sex.
8: Alcor. He doesn't even know what homosexuality is, so he'll act playfully confused about it.
9: Yamato. He was gay all along. He'll have great gay sex, but will act like a pushy dick to you about "improving yourself" outside of it.
00: Polaris. That giant dildo will cleave your ass in two.
He was still fucked up. Remember his speech about still thinking humanity is trash? He only gives humanity a chance because of what he observed from the 13 individuals, plus Bunny being a bit of a psychologist for him.
>7: amane. She's smart and would be great outside of sex, but its a gamble as to whether she will be or will learn good sex.
she said herself that she's not familiar with....relations. You'd have to be the one too take charge and show her the ropes.
so yeah given where we are it's gonna be a mess at first
It's executed sort of weirdly though. He aggressively craves your cock through the whole thing, then just gives up like he's mindbroken or something in Alcor's ending.
Doing anything but Yamato's ending makes you feel pretty bad for the poor faggot, actually.
He holds your hand through the whole thing then to suddenly backstab him is pretty shitty. It comes off like you used and tossed him like a gutter whore.
Alcor does nothing but screw things up by getting his ass captured, and Ronaldo is a retard, so it's even more questionable to go to those two instead of him with that in mind.
Yeah, stop posting yamato naked. The only boy we want to fuck is Haniel.
censored porn is still against the rules
if you post a doujin page where all the naughty bits are covered in black boxes it's still grounds for a ban
I don't know why you're having so much trouble understanding this
Global rule 5
>All boards that default to the Yotsuba B or Burichan (blue) themes are to be considered "work safe." Violators may be temporarily banned and their posts removed. Note: Spoilered pornography or other "not safe for work" content is NOT allowed on the work safe boards.
Not him, but this does seem like a shit rule. They should at least give options. You can post nsfw images that are blocked if someone sets it to sfw and not blocked if they don't. And you only get banned if you fail to label it properly. Or just make the whole site allow porn. Who the fuck browses 4chan at work anyways? No one who would do that actually has a job. I just want to browse boards while seeing a sufficient amount of cock posted. Not DIC's cock mind you, since that coc was fuck ugly. But good cock.
So the moral of the story is: Alcor's not fit for a Administrator type role.
No wonder Miyako's ending is the game over ending.
That also explains why he becomes Father Earth. Can't mess shit up when your water and dirt.
By spoiler i think the rule means that if you upload say a pussy but hide it behind the spoiler option you will get banned but if you shop a black bar is allowd (This is how say hgg post most of their pics)
Mem Aleph existed since the primordial earth did, and then lifeforms other than humans evolved. Mankind was just the latest batch.
Plus the world of SJ's has a defense system designed to purge it of decay and rot, and nothing like that is shown in DeSu 2 because they aren't the same worlds.
The moral of the story is that they need to break off from the administrator system. Alcor wasn't necessarily "not fit" as much as that being a reflection of what will always happen in the end if the admin system remains.
Break Record is essentially Chaos Wank: The Game. As if the original game wasn't already enough with the huge confusion over whether Yamato was law or Chaos because he had Chaos ideals but Polaris sucked his dick.
Either you missed something or the mod was a retard. Just look at all the censored images floating around on blue boards.
Not really, the thing that triggered the big cheese
was turning back time. Other admins are going to attack just because they deem humanity as dangerous considering they killed their admin and even big cheese.. If humans would keep to the rules they wouldn't get hit by admin's ban hammer.
Because Polaris saw it as a perfect way of changing humans bringing them back on the path of the divine order.
Polaris would have imposed any kind of order as long as it fit its desires.
how badly do i want her to live? that vampire is being a massive fag
Polaris does say something along the lines that there's room to fuck up in the future even in his world.
Polaris was basically a slightly more logical YHVH and gave anybody who could prove themselves a second chance.
It's just like the Reasons.
As long as it limited freedom in some form and brought it on the path of order, it's fine.
But outright defiance of the cosmos is bad because it leads to chaos and freedom and both bad.
Not really, since YHVH only wants one type of ending. Polaris is more like kagutsuchi. And it seems that the relation between kagutsuchi and yhvh is something like kagutsuchi is just kind of a mindless upholder of worlds that yhvh has control of most of the worlds in. And since he is in control of the system, he allows the other kagutsuchis to just keep running on the other spare worlds that he doesn't have much time to deal with. Nocturne was kind of the odd one out as regards the games,since whatever point it was trying to make has been reversed even in every game since then.
Also, its not clear that the great will is really an entity at all in the sense you would understand it. When lucifer says that he's a part of god that god threw away it seems that in this circumstance he's referring to the great will. And that the great will is just literally the will of all life pervading reality. YHVH thinks that this means the will has to be oriented for maximum benefit with no room for failure and so wants to get rid of too many unpredictable variables. So its more like brahman. (In hinduism,not DDS.)
Kagutsuchi isn't mindless. He has a very clear level of sentience and outright gets pissed if you do something he disagrees with. He even leaves in disgust in one ending because you aren't worth a fight.
The fucking point is that they're the alien equivalents of them, but not they're not the exact same thing.
Just like Al is the equivalent of Lucifer, but without the shitty aspects of Chaos. That's why Lucifer and Asura, both chaos demons that have represented the alignment, are unlocked through his fate.
Because Polaris was in no danger, as it makes clear after the fight. Polaris was in complete control. The only time Polaris takes anyone seriously is during the fights where they try to kill her.
Yet a Flauros NPC will make comments about how the voice of the universe (Metatron) will try to stop their plans, and Metatron makes it clear he serves God. So in that context they're considered the same deal by even the demons of Nocturne.
Technically the Great Will created Lucifer, and as its avatar Kagutsuchi makes clear he walked the path of freedom and is drunk on it. So it's likely Lucifer rebelled against his creator instead of being thrown away.
Because everything isn't always consistent between games.
Hey polaris. I'd like to create the world of me getting unlimited blowjobs. The entire world would think giving me blowjobs is the highest ideal, and would have Olympic games to compete for the highest position to maximize my blowjob intake.
And? Both change their gendered forms throughout the series.
Polaris has a female voice, that's as good of a reason as appearing in gendered forms.
You disappoint me, anon. I really expected you to be consequently autistic and not just another bitch ass hypocrite.
Gabriel was male in SMT I. And its tenuous to call their robot forms gendered. Though I'll grant that the faces are enough to.
>Gabriel has always had a female form.
yeah remember all that shit I said about Keisuk being kinda cool.
fuck that nigger. I don't know why Im working to keep these people alive.
oh wait i want agidyne
To be fair, some of the things he wanted to do weren't that bad. He literally saw some people kill someone to take their food. And you already know prisons don't exist. They're going to kill again, so is killing them first that bad? They make it out like he went so far over the edge that no one on any side would defend him.
I mean, its true that he has anger management issues, and just kind of got into the whole "I specifically want to kill people" thing. But you know.
>They make it out like he went so far over the edge that no one on any side would defend him.
Welcome to DeSu and a lot of other games in thos series where there's pretty biased shit going on.
Kind of like deathnote. Which avoids a philosophical discussion over whether it would actually be good to use the notebook in some circumstances by making it clear that he goes mad with power within the first episode.
You can side with him?
I'm playing Nocturne for the first time and it's a really great game. I fill a bit overwhelmed sometimes as it feels like there's almost no rest from combat but I'm glad I finally got around to playing it.
I'll be playing the Digital Devil Saga and Raidou games afterwards, in release order of course. Are they just as good?
Yeah uh, every time my posts get deleted it's just because of a butthurt janitor too!
Seriously though, if the 6 deletions haven't hammered in that it's against the rules I don't know what will. The 7th certainly won't.
DDS is Nocturne, if Nocturne actually had a story that wasn't a barebones excuse to crawl through wicked dungeons. Also, DDS' OST is fucking fantastic, easily some of Meguro's best work.
Can't you read? Janny appealed for a ban for posting NSFW. Ban didn't get approved which means I'm a rule-abiding citizen, janny probably got angry and deleted shit. Which isn't really that productive or meaningful.
(USER WAS BANNED FOR THIS POST)
Either way this is just one janny who doesn't make the rules but still hinks he is the Law.
Posting NSFW is ban-worthy. The ban wasn't approved which means that the image is not NSFW.
Now please explain to me what other rules my post broke.
Wow, holy fucking shit you guys. Give it a rest. Both sides are literally just as bad as each other.
Actually no the guy posting cropped doujin is worse because HAY I'M NOT DOING ANYTHING RONG LOL
Nocturne is a really good game, but I love character interaction. DDS has game play like Nocturne and the best Megaten cast out of any other game. And yeah, the soundtrack is wonderful. Something you should probably be warned about is DDS 1 and 2 do not stand on their own. They are more like one super long game.
The best character isn't introduced until the second game.
>The best character isn't introduced until the second game.
What're you talking about? He's introduced in the opening cutscene.
I think my main concern with Nocturne so far is the lack of character interaction to be honest. I think that's why the constant combat felt a bit overwhelming, because there wasn't much inbetween.
That said I'm really enjoying it, I spoke to Gozu-Tennoh last time I played and I'm about to boot it up again.
Who said you couldn't? There's nothing wrong with Billy.
I know that this general is full of a lot of retards who love being "the average joe" and like characters who are aggressive but not too smart, so that it doesn't threaten them or make them feel stupid, but at least TRY to keep your retardation in check. People like you are why retarded characters like han solo are considered "cool" even though they're basically just trashy people who neckbeards idolize because they remind them of the frat boy they'll never be able to be.
If you want your posts to get deleted for literally doing nothing wrong, be my guest. I don't.
Great shitpost, mate.
Why do you (two?) care anyways? You can't be worried about quality since you're shitposting.
Genuinely curious here.
Aniki is great but unfortunately doesn't have anything to do with MT.
I'm confused by your assumption that gay porn on a board inherently decreases quality. Its not like images get in the way of text or people asking about games. Can you really not say "le use buffs retard" if there's a smooth boy taking a dick in his ass on the screen? You realize that phallic imagery has more to do with SMT than it does most games, right?
I'm sorry, but your wrong.
Heat's replacement is much better.
What? I genuinely like Heat. I think he's an interesting character and I like how quickly he adapts to the new rules of the Junkyard. I also like that he
helps Serph come to terms with what Real Serph did and how much of a monster he was.
Ah, I never said that he was no good, just that Heat is best.
Nah boobs has more to do with SMT, i mean there isnt a demon that has as much dicks as many boobalicious demons like Tiamat, Satan, Artemis and others.
Thats why SMT games are played by mostly straight males.
This reminds me of how I felt like a big asshole when I was rummaging through Yamato's stuff when he was dead in Ronaldo's route in the original game. Then Ronaldo sends you an email that night practically celebrating his death. Maybe I'm biased because I did Yamato's route first and saw how Yamato behaved respectfully to Ronaldo's death, but that rubbed me the wrong way. Felt kind of gross.
For the route that was supposed to be about JUSTICE and helping people, I sure felt like a shitty person while doing it more so than any other route.
Au contraire. I wouldn't date anyone who isn't law. You only live once; why waste it with a lowest common denominator neutral you scraped out of the shit barrel?
He really makes up for it in DDS2 though, and even manages to cap it all off
that that fucking spectacular scene after the Airport. And of course, being Cielo, he comments on it as soon as we all reach the Sun.
I think what really kicks you in the nuts about Yamato in Ronaldo's route is that he dies saving you. that was unexpected especially when Ronaldo's death equivalent is by attacking Yamato. Ronaldo should have wanted to help Yamato instead of have him dead if he wasn't a huge hypocrite.
How is he a hypocrite. Yamato is actually a colossal asshole, who was about to rewrite the world into one where everyone is an asshole. Sacrificing yourself to try to kill him is hardly unwarranted. On the flipside, on ronaldo's route, yamato has little to lose by letting the rest of the people who have a change to help humanity die with him.
iirc there's actually a scene where Ronaldo is shit talking Yamato for no reason after he's dead and Joe stops him and is like "okay dude, not cool, enough"
even the game acknowledges that Ronaldo is a piece of shit
Yeah. But whether you can help him or not changes based on the route. On yamato's route, he literally had less than a day left to convince all of you that yamato was wrong. Under the circumstances just killing him is not that unwarranted.
There was that scene where he confronted that guy who ate his comrades for power.
Ronaldo saw Yamato as nothing more than a tyrant, so of course he's going to be happy. It was like killing Hitler for him.
While it was a dick move, Ronaldo made the right decision in trying to kill Yamato. From Ronaldo's point of view, Yamato was the devil and was about to destroy the world. I don't blame him for thinking Yamato was a complete monster, if you don't do his Fate stuff he seems like a sociopathic megalomaniac.
>Here are some second-hand opinions from a shitposter
It's not that bad. There's a lot to be desired, and P3/4 are certainly the most popular things there, but pretty much all of MegaTen gets discussed.
Look at the sticky thread asking what people are playing. Only a couple out of 50 or so said P3/4. The core community's alright, it just gets a bad rep from the shitters that wonder in post Persona shit once, then leave forever.
Reminder that Zelda has it's own Masakado fetch quest.
If we can't post Haniel then its truly the end of days.
>I'm confused by your assumption that gay porn on a board inherently decreases quality.
Now THIS is shitposting.
I just finished Kyuuyaku Megami Tensei. I did both endings in MT2 just to see and I'm sure glad I did the stuff to get the true ending cause the other one was crap. By the way, what's the point of talking to Mama Frost and having her introduce you to Zeus and Apollo and all that? Does that allow you to find and recruit them in later playthroughs or something?
Nevermind, apparently to get them you have to
destroy Bael as a frogand then go to Hades from the rooms that say "A stagnant air is flowing here". In those places you can find Artemis, Leto, and Apollo. Then if you fuse them you get Zeus who is the same as as Lucifer stats-wise. Guess they wanted to give something for people who fucked up getting the good ending.
By the way,
why is Lucifer the big bad guy in the first game and a good guy in the second? I haven't read the books so I don't know his character much, but Nakajima kind of helped the MT2 hero with Devil Buster and Cerberus so was he assuming he'd also fight against Lucifer or did things just not go as Nakajima would have wanted?
So im going to do a world of strength Nocturne hard playthrough, its the first time I play nocturne, but yes, I already know that buffs/debuffs are overpowered in this one
Anything else I should know beforehand?
I made it up to Thor in Nocturne and I find it ridiculous that 18/20 demons that are available at this point in game are weak to electricity. Will this game stop being a dick at some point or will it get only worse?
Not the same game, though it certainly does apply in some.
has the demons go back to Makai at the end of Megami Tensei II, something SJ Lucifer wouldn't do if he wanted to.
And like in Majin Tensei, he's whatever mankind needs him to be as both a guardian and an archenemy
and creates his own daughter to be a waifu to the Hero. Rewarding them for their hard journey by reviving her with the morningstar he gives.
And in Devil Children he's a benevolent overlord loved by demons, and human women.
Some other anon drew Arioch and Mara in case you didn't know. Don't want to take credit for his work.
I couldn't draw that beautifully.
>they stopped using that design in the new games
My favorite boypussy demon is still Seere.
okay Yuzu you're starting to really get on my tits I was willing to let shit slide at first but now you're just being mean.
Atsuro gets some good info that's probably gonna save our lives she just insults him out of nowhere, completely unprovoked just because he used computer jargon. I try to be nice to Midori and maybe keep people's spirits up and I get a snide "don;t encourage her"
we've gone well past stress accepted annoyance to full on bitch and honestly Im trying to figure out why I even hung out with her prior to the game starting...you know besides tits. Cuz there's a limit to how rocking your tits are versus how much shit guys are willing to put up with
so yeah. She's a horrible horrible person who deserves a good hard slap
Yukari only ever really layed into Junpei, who let's be fair, was a tremendous asshat.
Yuzu is shitting on the guy who's probably gonna save her life
>Haru is qt and all, but she don't get attached
great for casual sex
>Amane is a christian
As someone who's graduated from a private Christian school let me just say the only virgin there was the one they had a statue of on the front foyer
>her route is even one of the best
Fucking Overclocked. You should not be rewarded for taking the coward's way out. The barrier should have been unrepairable.
I don't think Amane qualifies as Christian as she doesn't seem to be into Jesus. She's more like some watered down form of Judaism that is similar to Christianity.
>attempt to fuse Eligor
>Amaterasu pops out
Any fun accidents lately, /smtg/?
Just recently I tried to fuse an eligor just to have a lightoma demon to go into the caves with, ended up with a fairy demon with lightoma, estoma, taunt and war cry.
Playing Nocturne for the first time and I decided to try the First Kalpa after I made it to Ikebukuro and FUCK.
I made it so far and fucking Sati came out of nowhere and wiped out my whole party in 1 turn.
I had no trouble before and this shit happens. God fucking damn it.
>Playing Nocturne on hard
>Die in the same round due to crits everywhere
you can progress through the labyrinth of amala at any pace you like
I'd say do the first labyrinth shortly before or after you fight daisoujou. just make sure to get those deathstones, because matador and daisoujou will wreck the shit out of your enemies.
See I can get behind it when in Nocturn or P3 or Raidou or whatever had the game end with the MC getting killed because you're typically the only "human" or there's a story reason for it
But why the fuck does P4 have game overs with the hero biting it. There's no reason you can't have the party revive him. P1 and 2 didn't pull that shit
>Arena 2 shows that Yu was responsible for manifesting all of his teammate's personas too
It's hella easy to side with the one shitting on Vic.
She's the inferior loser sibling. You should be happy.
I love how politically incorrect Japan is. Not complaining but >>98435640 is blatantly sexist. And apparently her Fate even unlocks Sandalphon and their names reflect the superiority/inferiority. That's hilarious.
I whooped his ass in like three turns with three 800 crits and he's like "Let's stop, you're not a demon, maybe fate will let us meet again, but THEN I'm going to kill you."
how is it sexist when another woman, Makoto, is the one who fixes things? sure Makoto learnt her skills from Yamato but he's not there for her to fall back on. a twin coping with being lesser is a common trope in media and even happens in real life. Miyako just happens to be female but I doubt it's deliberate jab at genders unless you're actively searching for political shit that isn't there.
Who is Devil Survivor even marketed to? It's misleading in that it has huge tits and minor fanservice, but the girls are otherwise irrelevant and boring, and it's mostly the guys pushing the story and doing shit just for the sake of looking cool and clearly being made to appeal to women. Yamato is even as canon gay as he can get without Atlus coming out to outright state it and practically wins in Break Record.
You'd be disappointed. You know how nearly every man watching porn, or reading comics and imagining themselves giving it to the sexually idealized ladies in the story, self-inserts as the guy with a foot-long rod and the ability to bench press a school bus? That sort of thing ain't limited to men, not even close.
big tits is all they need to pull in a temporary otaku audience who just buy based off the art. but if you look up fanart and doujinshi it's like 99% abel, naoya, yamato, bunny so I assume the more loyal fanbase is female.
I did so a while ago but next op never included it. Here's a link.
So you guys want to get gang-raped by demons every night until you're no longer useful for breeding demons, and then be used as a baby factory for human men instead? To each their own in the neutral world of humanity, I guess.
>Just because I pretend I'm a girl taking it up the butt means it's not gay
Ronaldo guy here. I actually hate sexism in video games and stuff. Male or female, characters who can't do anything are terrible, and if that reason is related to the character being a girl, that is just doubly frustrating because it is a bad excuse for being incompetent.
Who would buy DeSu games based on the art? The artist wouldn't know anatomy if it bit him on the ass.
A lot of times the guy is only a prop, so you can't really identify with him at all. It would be like self-inserting as a dildo.
That's a hot way to live.
I wouldn't really call that overwhelmingly sexist so much as just weirdly written.
And if we're being honest that seems to be the exact opposite of sexist, it's saying "see even woman can do this shit"
>and if that reason is related to the character being a girl
It isn't. It's just the usual inferior twin trope. Not surprised you like Ronaldo.
>Who would buy DeSu games based on the art?
Otaku who also like other art by artists that don't know shit about anatomy.
I know it's almost 500 hundred posts late, but I don't care
No anon, OpenGL doesn't appear as an option in the 3D rendering section in the emulator. I should google that shit, actually. Or just ask for help in /emugen/.
I'm emulating in a netbook with shit hardware so that may be impossible to fix, I can't say for sure
Why do you expect the characters to pretend sexism doesn't exist? That would be just weird, especially in a Japanese setting since it's fairly traditional and backward by our standards, like most East Asian countries.
Everyone who plays the game can see that Makoto is a very professional and competent paramilitary woman, bossing men around and fighting to save the world.
>I don't read porn expecting to like the characters.
If you don't then you don't know SHIT about reading porn
Id follow her to hell and back. well maybe not the later. That's not really her fault, I just have red short written all over me
Neither do I, telling by the picture, maybe it was from the anime? If so, who cares, the anime is bad.
Regardless of whether that quote is right or not, I would hope someone who was in that position would have a higher opinion of their own skills.
I don't expect better, I just find it annoying. Women can be good characters without going on about how they are just as good as any man or some shit. I just hate doormats and incompetence.
Okay, I fixed my font. I'll be able to enjoy his cuteness in better text now.