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Thread #146: new year edition
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ToTT: Greninja suspect test almost over. What will (would) you vote and why?
pic related, mfw greninja is die
I'm psure 80% of voters will be voting for it to go. We've discussed the problems gren caused in OU in previous threads. I would be interested to hear non-bullshit arguments for it staying though. Please no "it's not viable in ubers", "this [insert obscure pokemon] checks it" or "it's incapable of sweeping teams from turn 1".
Newgrounds porn games? Damn you just opened some old wounds.
I'd ban greninja because it's stupidly broken and whenever it comes in for free you gain an instant advantage, bigger than from other broken things atm. I don't even get why they took so long with that suspect.
There is like one argument that kinda makes sense, which is that competitive mons revolves alot more around checks rather than counters nowadays, which is true and considering that greninja does have a good couple of checks i can see where these people come from, especially since there are quite alot other things that barely have any counters in OU atm.
Anyone here playing ORAS BS?
Here's my team: http://pastebin.com/g88e8jvu
I'm having trouble with Volcarona and Breloom, but almost everything else seems to be covered. I'd like to try Altaria and Gengar, though
I don't really see how loom is a big problem with m-sableye around and volc is checked by zard. You could put like twave over toxic on slowbro to punish volc for setting up. Also twave seems alot more helpful in a speedy meta like battle spot.
Is it bad that I'm voting to ban Greninja for all the wrong reasons? I do feel that it's broken in OU but my main reasons for wanting it gone are that I think it's ugly as sin and I'm mad at Gamefreak for playing favorites with it. By all means give it the stats Ability typing and ridiculous movepool, but I'm gonna do my best to get the fucker banned.
Megagross has a nice movepool. It's so versatile that dropping something for grass knot will leave you susceptible to a bigger threat. Unless you want to invest in special attack and draw from your speed/attack and not make use of tough claws, there's little point in running it.
4- SpA Tough Claws Metagross Grass Knot (80 BP) vs. 252 HP / 0 SpD Swampert: 244-288 (60.3 - 71.2%) -- guaranteed 2HKO
>the only two types of competitive battling are VGC and Smogon
There's no reason why I have to have a competitive-minded argument to ban or not ban. As long as I have reqs I can just write my generic paragraph about its brokenness while voting to ban for ulterior reasons, like aesthetics, or downright hatred for the pokemon in every conceivable way.
Yeah, as this poster mentioned. Dropping Mash leaves you without reliable stab against the many pokemon that resist psychic, and not able to hit fairies really hard, no Zen Headbutt gives Rotom-W a free switch in to grab momentum with volt switch, no Hammer Arm gives Heatran and Ferro a free switch in to set up rocks. Really, the only option I'd consider dropping would be Ice Punch, because even though that leaves it with difficulty hitting Lando T, most of them are scarfed anyway.
Hammer arm is nice for bish and ferro's of the tier but ice punch hits lati@s as well as any genie switching in. I tend to run eq over hammer arm since it's great neutral coverage, hits tran and lots of other things without checking accuracy. Does allow ferro to wall but I don't normally leave my physical attackers to take on ferro.
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Grass Knot Meta serves as a pretty cool wallbreaker actually and the extra damage on slowbro is really helpful, since most people basically switch that thing every time. Of course you don't drop mash or headbutt for it, you drop one of your coverage moves. I like that set on the same team as some fighting type sweeper, because sniping (or forcing out repeatedly) Slowbro really helps breaking that.
Rate my team /cpg/.
Goodra (F) @ Weakness Policy
Ability: Sap Sipper
EVs: 236 HP / 252 Atk / 20 Spe
- Dragon Tail
- Fire Punch
- Power Whip
Metagross @ Metagrossite
Ability: Clear Body
EVs: 8 HP / 248 Atk / 252 Spe
- Bullet Punch
- Zen Headbutt
- Iron Head
Mandibuzz @ Leftovers
EVs: 248 HP / 8 Def / 252 SpD
- Iron Defense
- Foul Play
Heatran (F) @ Air Balloon
Ability: Flash Fire
EVs: 248 HP / 252 SpA / 8 SpD
- Fire Blast
- Earth Power
- Flash Cannon
- Stealth Rock
EVs: 248 HP / 8 Def / 252 SpD
- Foul Play
Tornadus-Therian (M) @ Life Orb
EVs: 4 Atk / 252 SpA / 252 Spe
- Focus Blast
- Knock Off
Goodra - 7/10 in originality, shit in everything else
Metagross - 4.5/10
Mandibuzz - 3/10 what the fuck is this shit
Heatran - Pretty bad/10
Sableye - Standard
Tornadus-T - Meh/10
Pretty bad overall.
no it's not
healing wish/defog support with psyshock and draco is pretty common in the current meta. Probably timid, max speed, max spatk to compete with the current OU speed tier.
here is like a somewhat recent screen of me topping the epic po ladder in gsc, i've done that more often with probably more epic ratings, w/e
cool offensive explosion/machamp centered stallbreaker team, fairly easy to start gsc with that