Smogon's gen1/2 banlist is identical with GF's. In Gen 3 when Smogon started for good they tested Celebi and Jirachi and decided they are balanced in OU while Lati@s aren't even without Soul Dew. Shaymin-Land dropped down in Gen 4. Victini, Meloetta, Kyurem and Keldeo followed in Gen 5, though the last one caused a lot of butthurt. Lack of perma-rain allowed Manaphy to be unbanned in Gen 6, while Diancie was allowed from the outset and so will Hoopa and Volcanion. Banning all GF-illegal legendaries and then bringing them down one by one is a huge time waste at this point, especially from Gen 4 onward with increasing average power of nonlegendary OU Pokemon.
Typical smogon retard ladies and gentleman. Won't ban legendaries and they don't know Greninja is a start. Proof that they don't actually play the games and are just 12 year olds who want to use ebin legendaries and edgymons
I'm of the opinion that all metagames should be 3 types. You have the Legendary tier, the non-legendary tier and the normal tier.
Some people use Smogon as a way to build a team for VGC. The problem is, chances are the 6 perfect IV mons that are shiny are bred that way and if you encounter a legendary you are up against someone who has likely hacked.
Making it so that official tourneys adhere to the non-legendary tier makes it a bit more evenly paced both on cart and off since at least through effort it is possible to breed a hexaperfect shiny mon.
This makes far too much sense and Smogon doesn't like that.
>>22874222 You give Gamefreak too much credit, they can't even do stats changes right. Keep in mind Mega Alakazam is missing 10 stats points. Pokemon might not be build around Showdown style play but the fans tune their games to perfection, no need to get mad at communities like Smogon. Gamefreak themselfes need to step it up.
The thing is that the pokemons who got banned are simply too strong in comparison to other non-banned pokemon. Look at how common the uber pokemon are in vgc (mega kang, mega mawile, the king shield sword thing).
On the other side we have the non-banned legendaries. There are some top tier legends (landorus, thundurus, zapdos, lati@s), but they all have enough flaws to counter them. But banning legends like the regis, virizion, phione and articuno is just stupid
I see these threads and think of the episode of family guy where Peter gets his wife to beat up new yorkers. Mets suck, Yankees suck, Nicks suck, Krypton sucks, Smogon sucks,
Seriously let the little kids use their smogon bs and limit ther gameplay and meta game. They think it balances gameplay and battles when all it does is make battles repetitive and predictable. I say let them keep it up. Battle a smogon user - use whatever you want and then have them bitch about how you didn't follow their limitations.
Being super new to competitive battling all i have to say is users ruined it. I remeber in gen 1 I made a team of what I wanted and had a team of 6 poke's that I liked and battled with them. If type machups where better you would win simple as that's then around gen 4-5 I started getting destroyed by everyone and their mothers no matter what team I was using by the time x/y came out I realized if I wanted a chance I would have to get iv, ev perfect moms and only use a select few or else I would lose every battle so now I'm battering with 6 pokemon 3 of which I hate and 3 of which I am indifferent about just so I can win 50% of the time. Sure competitive battling and Saigon adds some depth to it instead of legends destroying everything back in the day but if they never dug that deep into the game in the first place we would still see crazy varied teams at VGC and have ridiculously awesome battles and machups instead of the same 6 Pokemon battling the same six Pokemon. Over. And over. And over
>>22874425 VGC has always let you use legendaries. It's only boxmons/eventmons that are banned. Hell, VGC lets you use Pokemon with event-exclusive moves that were released solely in Japan because GF is retarded
>>22876197 >there are people who think Moltres and Articuno should be banned >there are people who think any of the Regis should be banned, especially Regigigas >there are people who think Uxie and Mesprit should be banned
>>22880948 >>22880954 Because they're the same thing. Should we also count Moody Bibarel, Moody Bidoof, Moody Octillery, Moody Smeargle, etc... as different bans?
And complex Funbro ban is really just a quirk of Showdown's format not having a match timer. Same reason why VGC doesn't "allow" Pokemon over level 50 because it makes it easier to raise a team on cartridge.
I think if half of the legends...ie all the psychic type ones barring lugia... can get outsped and one-shotted by an unboosted weavile knock off, then that hardly qualifies as OP.
Legend does not equal OP. If that were the case, then someone needs to tell the Lake guardians that they are too hard to handle and need to be banned...(name one good reason why legend equals OP) If you can't handle it, It's not OP. You just suck.
>>22881643 Also, don't confuse me for those smogplebs. I just know from experience that not every legend is OP. Some are. I can admit that. The game is broken, no matter how you look at it. You can either stop playing, play casually, play smogon, or play with the broken pieces. Do what you want, but don't judge others for doing it differently.
>>22881643 252 Atk Life Orb Weavile Knock Off vs. 0 HP / 4 Def Mewtwo: 283-338 (80.1 - 95.7%) -- guaranteed 2HKO 252 Atk Weavile Knock Off (97.5 BP) vs. 252 HP / 80 Def Mewtwo: 302-356 (72.5 - 85.5%) -- guaranteed 2HKO after Leftovers recovery (Note:This is Mewtwo's stall set, special attacker is in fact 0ko'ed but NOT outspeed without a choice scarf) 252 Atk Weavile Knock Off (97.5 BP) vs. 248 HP / 252 Def Celebi: 236-282 (58.5 - 69.9%) -- guaranteed 2HKO after Leftovers recovery (Note: Celebi's U-Turn does more or less 50% of Hp) 252 Atk Weavile Knock Off (97.5 BP) vs. 252 HP / 104+ Def Mew: 246-290 (60.8 - 71.7%) -- guaranteed 2HKO after Leftovers recovery Note: It is unlikely to carry it but Mew's Focus Blast is 0KO, so it is flip coin who wins. I give the edge to Weavile, since mew doesn't really carries Focus miss) 252 Atk Weavile Knock Off (97.5 BP) vs. 248 HP / 8 Def Deoxys-D: 200-236 (66 - 77.8%) -- guaranteed 2HKO after Leftovers recovery (I gotta admit that is a lot of HP) There is limit of my autism.
>>22874222 >Yes, however Smogon is a shitty "fan" community that think they know more about balance than the people who make the games You do realize that dedicated players do as a matter of fact know more about the balance of the games than developers usually do? Have you never played a MMO?
Celebi is used as a check to Keldeo that can't be worn down by Scald Burns and can't be pursuit trapped. Additionally it can check Azumarill, Thundurus, Rotom-W, Slowbro, Mega Diance, Mega Lopunny, and more. It can also support teammates with Stealth Rock, Healing Wish and NastyPass (and SDPass), lure Heatran and some other stuff with offensive coverage, and uh some other stuff. It's A ranked and #21 in usage in SPL
>>22882030 Autism, plain and simple Lots of smogonfags are elitist assholes. Karenfags are butthurt about their favorite mon not being good. Most important and above al, people as a hole can't tolerate others having fun/playing in the "wrong" way. Again, at Chomp unrelated.
>>22882067 It's kind of sad isn't it? instead of adapting to the opponent and outskilling them at their own game, people have to cry, wine, and shit all over something that's "different" like a todder that was just told "NO!"
>>22882093 The only issue I have with that is when you tell people to stick to something, they comform to it.
If that works for you, that's fine, but then it makes people uneasy and downright spiteful of someone else's meta. "It's different, it's uncomfortable to deal with, therefore it is bad and it's player-base is bad."
Don't conform...adapt. If you can't do that, then you're gonna fall behind.
>>22882114 A massage is nothing lewd. The mods will only come if someone reports it, being late in the night I higly doubt it.
>>22882127 I can see were you are comming from, the thing is, some people like a single format. EX: I myself vastly prefer singles 6v6. I just don't like the other, bear in mind that doesn't makes them bad, just not for me.
>>22882150 You see, I can respect this because you show tolerance. that's All I'm looking for. It's OK to prefer certain things, just don't get mad when something you don't prefer tries to have a good time.
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