Is it worth it to buy a Snes or should I just emulate the games? I've only ever had Sega consoles in the past, and was looking to play some Snes stuff.
Just emulate it through snes9x or bsnes plugins on libretro. There's really no reason to buy the original hardware when emulation is 100% accurate. you can even hook your desktop/laptop up to an older tv if you want.
this. if you really want to play a bunch of different snes games, emulation is the way to go. collecting is much more difficult, expensive, and slow. if you just download an emulator and some roms, you can play any game you want, right now. you're on a machine right now that can do that. why are you asking us when you could be playing? go play some snes.
emulation will also give you advantages like save states at any point during the game (something you could never do on an actual SNES unless you're using an everdrive). not to mention most actual SNES carts have the memory battery dead by now, so you need to either replace them or get ones that work etc.
SNES is dope, but like all things from the past it will take some time, dedication and a lil money to get where you wanna be.
emulating will scratch the itch... but deep down you'll still be a fag for not playing the real deal.
Depends on what you're looking for, some better titles are hugely overpriced thanks to collectors, but you could get say, Earthbound on a flashcart, if you dont want to pay hundreds of dollars for an old videogame.
If you have a Wii you can get a lot of old console titles for very cheap on Virtual Console, I think they even had NeoGeo, so it's not just Nintendo titles on that.
You don't need a fat old tube screaming at the limits of human hearing to enjoy old games.
Just set up your flatscreen with the right stuff. Or play straight on your computer with an emulator.
I'll agree on this.
Buy a cheapo USB gamepad with enough buttons for a SNES (and maybe a turbo button if you fancy it), you're set (doesn't even have to be a clone of the SNES dogbone, I use a Dualshock clone, analog sticks are kinda bad but everythinh else is servicable, only like 12 dollars). I say get a gamepad because while you -can- use a keyboard, gamepads are just much better for platformers and other fast console games.
I built this USB gamepad a few weeks back - it's got 16GB of storage in it so you can keep all your ROMs and emulators stored in it. Had to sacrifice the cartridge but it was worth it - plug and play on any computer, plenty of storage for NES / Genesis / Gameboy ROMs as well ;P
>since most SNES games don't require much processing power
And those that do are also better on an emulator. Like SFX games, e.g. Star Fox and Stun Race FX, are way better on an emulator.
the correct term is
>close to 100%
or maybe something like 99.5%
99.8% is reserved for when we can emulate it on a logic level.
99.9% is reserved for when we can emulate it on an electrical level.
to emulate it at 100% you first need to create the universe
You mean Never Twice the Same Color?
PAL is better than NTSC, when it comes to colors and resolution (only in 50 Hz is resolution higher though)
60 Hz is better than 50 Hz though.
If only PAL-60 was more common...
I have to disagree with everyone saying that Snes emulation is 100% accurate when it comes to audio. Maybe its just me being an autismo or maybe I did not configure the emulator right (I've tried Zsnes, Snes9x, and Higan/bSnes) but to me emulated Snes audio always seemed to be more dull or muddy sounding than playing on the real hardware (could also be shitty on board sound being shitty). I recently bought Seiken Densetsu 3 and Final Fantasy 5 reproduction carts and was amazed at how much better they sound when played on an actual Snes. The sound effects and music just sound very crisp with higher highs and lower lows. The Snes sound processor has a very unique sound which sounds great when you output to a decent stereo. Even when my pc was using the same stereo it just didn't sound the same when using Snes emulation.
NTSC TV sets pretty much never had RGB inputs, though (not counting Sony PVMs, which were professional video monitors, not consumer televisions). Only PAL countries had native RGB input on almost all TVs.
you could shop around on ebey rather than just buying the first thing you see, also if I remember right there is an ebay like site that is just for retro gaming, I have never used it though.
>ask to back up statement
>"get a life"
>call someone a fag for emulating, but then turn around and complain about "f words"
Wow, you're a fucking faggot. Disrespect gets met with disrespect, sorry that not everyone on /vr/ gets along with your abrasive attitude.
In my experience, SNES carts have never had dead batteries, and I very rarely hear about them dying on people, I never said it was inconcievable, you galloping cockmongler, I just questioned your statement that it was incredibly common, whereupon you responded like a teenage girl.
I know, right? It's lime fags on /k/ shouting about some bubba hacksawing his 91/30 and crying about MUH HISTORY, as if the majority of those (refurbished) rifles didn't spend their time in storage boxes during WW2 and have little to no value, and as if there aren't like 40 million of them
It's a bitch and a half getting good deals on SNES games in my area so I just emulate it. I have a 30ish game collection but I never really feel like dragging it out. I really wish emulation was better. If an SD loader for the snes comes out with 100% compatibility I'll buy it immediately
this dude needs someone to explain to him why a 23 year old can of campbell's soup probably shouldn't be eaten... "b-b-but i need PROOF showing me that this isn't good for consumption!". like someone already told you... get a damn life.
I've had replacement batteries in SNES carts not even last 5 years. Is this motherfucker asking about CR2032 battery lifespan for real or just trolling? If real, he is god honest retarded for even questioning this.
>a battery is comparable to a food product
It's small battery that needs to keep a charge so it can store save files while the game isn't powered on, kind of different from something which would probably be a health hazard.
Not that guy but oldest save battery I have is in a Legend of Zelda cart I got for Christmas in 1988 and it still holds a save. That's 27 years.
My SMW still holds a save though it has lost data before. The most reliable battery backup for Snes seems to be Square carts, my Final Fantasys, SOM, CT, etc. still hold saves very reliably (knock on wood.)
I have noticed that carts that tend to lose saves more frequently are stuff like older Enix carts (Soul Blazer, Actraiser, etc.). So I think that battery quality may be a factor in how long they last. I have also heard theories that because Nes games store less data than Snes games that the batteries would theoretically last longer (which would explain my miraculous Zelda cart).
Actually, the save battery didn't even die in the GBA game I think, it was just the internal clock battery, the game would otherwise save and all like normal, events just stopped happening.
Yeah. I didn't even think this was unusual, I figured most save batteries should last at least to 2020 on average but I guess I'm wrong/just lucky.
Okay now I'm calling bullshit. There's only one battery needed for a cartridge to save and keep time. http://n64.trashfolder.org/ "doubutsu no mori" aka animal crossing has both a clock and save feature, and only needs one battery.
The worst thing when batteries start going out in my experience is that they don't stop completely right away. You lose a save and then it works again so you think it might have been a fluke. Maybe it was that thunderstorm or maybe the contacts were dirty when you were trying to load the game. Its saving now so surely the battery isn't dead.
Then 20 hours into your game the data gets wiped again. Fuck that shit.
To be safe I usually try to replace the battery at the first sign of data loss to avoid a ton of grief further down the road.
Oh my god you just made me flashback to my first pokemon silver save
Dear god why
Pokémon Ruby, for Gameboy Advance
It has a save battery, and it has a separate battery for the game's internal clock.
I misremembered, but it wasn't the save battery going dry, it was the clock battery.
The clock battery going dry is a known thing with Pokémon GBA games (meaning timed events such as lotteries, and growing berries will stop working), but the save batteries for all of them are all probably still intact.
All my games with save batteries still holds saves.
Okay that clears everything up. 3rd gen pokemon games save to flash memory (as I assume animal crossing did as well actually), so that's that.
I looked into it, and it appears that the CR 1616 batteries last substantially less than the 2032 counterpart. Either way, I'm still a little surprised your NES games haven't gone yet.
I'd rather back up my saves. Or if I was a colossal poorfag at least supply power to the cart that I opened with a melted pen so I wouldn't loose my save when I change the battery that I remove with a pair of nail clippers and hold in place with chewing gum because I can't afford a soldering iron. P.S: I stole the battery.
>Is it worth it to buy a Snes or should I just emulate the games?
Not really, at least not anymore. prices are too high now. Pick up a system if you see one for under $30, and cheap games as you find them. But dont feel the need to get one just because its a snes.
>I've only ever had Sega consoles in the past, and was looking to play some Snes stuff.
You'll be disappointed.
>mfw got a SNES for 10 bucks on the flea market
Dreams do come true, and it's not even yellowed
If you were a genesis person, snes is pretty dissapointing other than 1st party stuff. Pilotwings was the shit back in the day. Honestly, if it's over $60 I wouldn't buy one unless you are a collector.
>PAL has a higher resolution
except no game runs in that resolution but instead adds black borders to the top and bottom of the screen, letterboxing the game and fucking up the aspect ratio. Also 50hz is a major disadvantage. I am a eurofag and I can tell you we got fucked when it comes to video games. Shitty cables with SCART converter blocks instead of proper cables. Lots of unoptimized and unreleased games. At least we got the good looking Super Nintendo but that's it.
Another Yurofag here. So I'm correct in the conclusion that I'd pretty much gotta collect Murrican and Japanese versions of all old home consoles with the exception of handhelds? At least I'm covered on the CRT TV front.
This is getting into the technical side a bit but I'm Australian (PAL land too), and here's what I do.
To answer your question yes 50hz sucks balls and you should try and avoid it if you can. But that doesn't mean you have to import all your stuff. If you have any modding skills you can install a 50/60hz switch which will make the system output at the higher refresh rate. That way you can keep collecting PAL games (I fucking hate importing, shipping costs are an arm and a leg) but play them in 60hz.
Word of warning though, if you're using composite cables and your TV does not support PAL60 (that is, PAL colour standard running at 60hz) you'll get a black and white image. But if you're using a CRT you should consider using RGB instead (NOT a PAL or NTSC format so you'll get a colour image) and a RGB to component transcoder. Or if you have an RGB monitor get a breakout cable.
He's not wrong. The PAL standard is better in terms of horizontal lines of resolution and depth of colour (the PAL system can carry more colours than the NTSC system, meaning that they are more accurate).
Here's the problem though. Since like 95% of video games are made in NTSC regions of the world, they are developed with NTSC in mind first and foremost. When they get transferred over to PAL, a lot of devs get lazy and just put the game straight on without adapting it to the PAL standard. That's why you get the letterboxing and the slower gameplay, and therefore inferior game. If a game was made natively at PAL standard it would look superior to an NTSC game. Gameplay would not be affected because it would be optimised for 50hz. Some people say that 50hz flicker is worse than 60hz flicker but honestly I have both 50 and 60hz consoles and I can genuinely not see the difference.
Thanks for the advice
I've been digging about the RGB stuff and seems I got lucky on that front at least (TV has PAL60 support, SCART inputs, etc)
I'll still have to import since I live in a shittier part of Yurop where everyone is charging an arm and a leg, but it's still easier to import from another EU country than overseas
I'm the guy you replied to. I only really collect PAL stuff because it's a lot easier to find and cheaper. I don't care enough to put down the extra money to get NTSC stuff. But to answer your question, yes. Japanese and American consoles and games are usually superior to the PAL version. PAL technically has some advantages over NTSC, but they're never really utilized because most games are optimised for NTSC systems first, optimizing for PAL an afterthought.
If you're going to be using RGB then having PAL60 support doesn't matter, since PAL or NTSC ≠ RGB. Gotta remember that PAL and NTSC are composite video carriers. RGB is completely different.
Well, the CRT TV has 2 SCART inputs and it says in the manual for one that it inputs RGB and the other inputs S video.
That means I'm covered, right? It's just a matter of having the right SCART cable then and doing the 60Hz mod for PAL cartridge consoles?
Seems I'd still have to import NTSC PS1 console and games tho if I want 60Hz, but on SNES it's just a matter of rerouting a single pin on a chip. Plus one more on another chip if I wanna circumvent region locking.
I've looked up stuff on RGB before but it all seems so daunting. They start talking about csync and all kinds of shit.
I am interested in RGB and a BVM or PVM, but not if its cable hell with all kinds of adapters and crazy trade offs.
Yes you only need the right SCART cable and a mod to play 60hz in RGB.
Most PS1 games (and PS2 for that matter) are actually optimised for PAL output so while you're still only playing the game at 50hz, in my opinion it doesn't matter. Effectively the same as playing the 60hz version.
With the SNES it's not rerouting a pin but rerouting a jumper on the board like the Mega Drive. Region locking on a PAL snes would only let you play Japanese games because the American carts are physically bigger.
It is definitely seems complicated when you get into the nitty gritty of it but if you think it through logically it's not all that complicated. You just have to learn some stuff, particularly fundementals about how CRTs work, how colour systems work, how different connectors and signal types work etc.
I'm actually in the process of making an RGB guide in Google Docs that I will post when I'm finished. It'll explain everything from start to finish about RGB but it'll be fairly long haha.
PVMs and BVMs are great :) I have three PVMs and one BVM.
Yeah, I've heard people say both that they're optimized and that they aren't. I'm still on the fence about that, I'd love to start a collection of games for an old system, but with the disc ones you also gotta deal with questionable quality of old second hand discs that may be scratched up a lot and the whole shitty disc assembly in consoles themselves. I got an old fat hardmodded PS2 that works anyway, so technically, I can just get any PS1/2 game and run it on that.
Seems like starting a SNES or Mega Drive/Genesis collection would be the easiest and most fun.
>still only playing the game at 50hz, in my opinion it doesn't matter
This is actually true for the vast majority of PS1 games because of the terrible framerates, which means you might as well play on an LCD, so the 50Hz flicker doesn't matter. But if it's a 60fps game definitely play the NTSC version on a CRT.
Just found a SNES w/ cords and 2 controllers on craigslist for $45. If I could get a SNES and a Chinese flashcart for less than $100 that'd be pretty fuckin' sick.
The only problems are the $15 in gas it'll take me and the possibility of getting stabbed.
Anybody want to share a photo of a popular PAL SNES game and post a picture of it? I'll put up a photo of the same game running at NTSC, because I want to see what the colour difference really is. Use a phone or whatever.
Literally won't be any difference if the game was made in an NTSC region. And even if it was made in a PAL region I'd doubt there'd be any great visible difference.
I'm not even sure how many games are PAL then ported to NTSC. Maybe some of the Rare games?
I think it's time to swallow your pride
It's a tricky situation this. They have these 3 slot deals that allow you to play nes snes and Genesis games. They're pretty cool. Or you could just get an OG Xbox and mod the fuck out of it.
Being a Canada-fag, I don't even think model 1 1-chips had a release here. If you're talking about a modded SNES Jr. , then I have one of those. I prefer the look of the standard model 1s though, I find the SNES Jr. to be overly bright.
So... Why are you collecting them if you don't like them? For sake of completeness?
That was something I never got. Like, someone will always have a larger collection than you, so why not just collect what you actually care about?
It's not the 90's any more, though. You can make an informed decision on the spot with smartphones nowadays.
Personally however, cheap impulse buys are slightly different in this case. If you don't care enough to see how good it plays because it's so cheap, I get that.
However, I'd sell it back after finding out it's not so great. That's just me though.
i'd personally rather form my own opinion on something then rely on the internet for more than to figure out what genre a game is... so no smartphone googling for me ever. i still do this shit the old fashioned way.
When I said "google" I didn't mean "read a review from a 3rd party"; I meant googling a wiki page or gameplay footage. Thus forming your own opinion.
But if you care too much about relinquishing the chip on your shoulder, I can't change how you buy stuff.
Enjoy your ill-informed purchases, dude.
>Nah I'm Australian and we dont have SCART on our TVs. We got screwed worst of all haha.
If you live in Australia, having no SCART input on your TVs is the least worst screw up you have to face on a daily basis.
so now I'M the one with a chip on his shoulder? what's your point here any way? i didn't mean to offend when i said i couldn't bother with the plastic cases. sorry to offend your anal autistic sensibilities. jesus
I suppose you could say we both do, but that's besides the point. You could have at least tried to follow the conversation back to it's starting point, but since you can't seem to be bothered...
>Some people don't mind emulating
>The NTSC SNES looks silly to me, compared to the SFC
Aaand we're all caught up. _I'm_ sorry that my personal standards offended you.
>Hey guys. Can you tell me what my opinion should be? Thinking is hard.
Come on, man.
Emulate first. If you like what you see, do research on how much the titles you liked are going for these days. If the enjoyment you derived is equal to the asking price, buy the hell out of it!
Personally, I think both SNES and Genesis are worth owning. Both had their own ups and downs.
Better resolution that goes completely unused on virtually everything but the small percentage of euro games that the devs bothered to make use of it in. Enjoy your fucked up aspect ratios, squashing everything and leaving you with ugly black borders. And flicker inducted eye cancer from the lower refresh. And slower games. And pretending anybody bothered to optimise (inb4). Being in a PAL territory was shit.
There's a reason people who knew the first thing about vidya imported and modded even back in the day. Even official mags used to cover the 'grey import' scene.
Fact #1: If you aren't taking the best of both worlds and playing 60hz over RGB SCART you're a peasant.
Fact #2: If your wasting your money buying PAL shit when you have any other option you're collecting actual garbage. Enjoy your trash pile.
Wait. 2 doesn't make sense when 1 is considered. If you have a modded console why would you need to import Jap games? The PAL games, because they weren't optimised are exactly the same as NTSC games. If your console is modded to run at 60hz then getting PAL games is perfectly acceptable. It's totally unnecessary for someone in a PAL region to import American games unless they were exclusive, but then they'd have to widen their cartridge slot, which would be a waste of time and effort.
your lack of knowledge regarding the SNES catalog doesn't make it a crappy system. N64 actually blows despite being the later model. you're seriously talking out your ass here, anon.
So what are some good Snes games, then? Exclude all RPGs and kiddy platformers. By kiddy platformer I mean easy, colourful, handholding shit like Mario and Donkey Kong. Only include exclusives, too.
>N64 has more good games than the Snes
No, seriously, congrats.
Did anyone here believe/agree with this guy?
You got me to reply. That's how triggered I am. And I am a fucking 90s kid.
>Only include exclusives, too.
It doesn't really have anything if you want to meet that criteria, due to Nintendo and Square re-releasing everything on every goddamn platform.
The Dragon Ball Z games do come to mind - I don't think those were ever re-released, and some of them are pretty fucking good. Hyper Dimension was incredibly tight, and that card based RPG was fun as well (even if the random fights were incredibly retarded, you couldn't walk 3 tiles before the next fight).
Jet Force Gemini, Perfect Dark, Buck Bumble, Mischief Makers, Tetrisphere, 1080 Snowboarding, Blast Corps, Space Station Silicon Valley, F-1 Grand Prix, Shadowman, Forsaken, Gauntlet Legends, War Gods, Goldeneye, WWF No Mercy and Wrestlemania 2000.
>2 games that aren't exclusive
>1 platformer that's mediocre and inferior to it's SNES counterpart
>1 racing game that's about as mediocre as it's SNES counterpart
so there's 2 games in there that could be considered great, a few mediocre ones, and terrible ones.
Now that's better. Although I would exclude all shitty sports games and all the racers that look all the same to me. So that still leaves less than a dozen games for the N64.
Still, how can you such a fanboy for the N64 but for some reason disregard the godly SNES?
There's good variety in there. Excluding RPGs is your loss. There are also some GREAT platformers in there.
Some of your recs I didn't even know, might try some.
I like racing and sports games, and the sports and racing games on the N64 are some of the best.
I hate story driven games, so RPGs are awful to me. You go through repetitive combat sequences and move around a map to advance some narrative I have no interest in.
you're fucking delusional. You linked my opinions to a website and I linked your opinions to the same website, and you're trying to justify it. Fuck yourself and grow up. I'm not younger than any retard that thinks the N64 has a better selection than the SNES
N64 has a better selection for me. You just obviously can't handle different opinions. You're trying to state your opinion as fact, while I'm only stating my opinion. I'm obviously not going to like the Snes, it has no games I like. You clearly don't like sport, shooters and racing games, so you won't like the N64.